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I am trying to educate myself on FI as I have no experience with turbo cars. Alot of great info. on this site. I may be purchasing a 335is soon to replace my E46 M3. What is the best possible set-up to increase power? What combo. of JB4, FMIC, DCI, Downpipes, Meth, Oil cooler is best? I apologize for the noob question I just really want to do this right the first time. Thanks in advance.
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I am trying to educate myself on FI as I have no experience with turbo cars. Alot of great info. on this site. I may be purchasing a 335is soon to replace my E46 M3. What is the best possible set-up to increase power? What combo. of JB4, FMIC, DCI, Downpipes, Meth, Oil cooler is best? I apologize for the noob question I just really want to do this right the first time. Thanks in advance.
335is already has an oil cooler from the factory. DCI (al least from my research does nothing but give some different sounds). I put a JB4 on my "is" but wasn't happy with how the car ran. I took it off and went Cobb pro tune. Car runs WAY better! FMIC will be next for me.

Some on here will say suspension is lacking in non M cars and that is a good place to start initially. I agree that suspension upgrades need to be done.

I would say start slowly and take your time with the performance mods. Enjoy each upgrade before you move on to the next.


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335is already has an oil cooler from the factory. DCI (al least from my research does nothing but give some different sounds). I put a JB4 on my "is" but wasn't happy with how the car ran. I took it off and went Cobb pro tune. Car runs WAY better! FMIC will be next for me.

Some on here will say suspension is lacking in non M cars and that is a good place to start initially. I agree that suspension upgrades need to be done.

I would say start slowly and take your time with the performance mods. Enjoy each upgrade before you move on to the next.


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I appreciate the advice. Could you please share why you weren't happy with the way the car ran with the JB4?
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I appreciate the advice. Could you please share why you weren't happy with the way the car ran with the JB4?

I had the JB4 G5 ISO Board with most recent updates. At the time (a few months back) Terry had an "is" specific setting that I was using and told to use. That setting on the JB4 has since been removed. Not sure why? Maybe it ran like sh*t? The car ran very choppy at different rpms regardless of which map I was using. I did multiple data logging sessions and was all over the n54 tech site trying to figure out what was up, After all a lot of people like the JB4 piggy back setup and I couldn't figure out why my car was running like crap.

I was told many different things like run e85 etc etc to fix the lag and choppy feeling I was getting at WOT. I eventually found a few other people on the boards who had 335is and had similar issues with the JB4? Maybe the unit works better with regular 335i as opposed to the 335is ? All I know is my car was running like crap and I had a piece of plastic and some wires made in china (JB4) installed on my $60,000 ( when new) car. So I sold the unit and got a dyno Cobb pro tune by PTF. So much better and easier to deal with. The car runs like a champ. The lesson I learned is cheaper is not always better. The Cobb pro tune cost more but it is well worth it. In hindsight I started to wonder why people (me included) buy expensive cars (BMWs) then put cheap POS on them




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I am trying to educate myself on FI as I have no experience with turbo cars. Alot of great info. on this site. I may be purchasing a 335is soon to replace my E46 M3. What is the best possible set-up to increase power? What combo. of JB4, FMIC, DCI, Downpipes, Meth, Oil cooler is best? I apologize for the noob question I just really want to do this right the first time. Thanks in advance.

Goose, you must journey to the exotic and far away land o'N54TECH

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I am trying to educate myself on FI as I have no experience with turbo cars. Alot of great info. on this site. I may be purchasing a 335is soon to replace my E46 M3. What is the best possible set-up to increase power? What combo. of JB4, FMIC, DCI, Downpipes, Meth, Oil cooler is best? I apologize for the noob question I just really want to do this right the first time. Thanks in advance.

335is is a good place to start, but you'll be very disappointed in the suspension and lack of LSD.

What, you'll miss your M3? Yep. The good news is: can be fixed....for a price.
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I would go here Cal http://www.protuningfreaks.com. To each his own


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335is is a good place to start, but you'll be very disappointed in the suspension and lack of LSD.

What, you'll miss your M3? Yep. The good news is: can be fixed....for a price.
Thank you for the link above Cal. I have read your thorough thread regarding your suspension upgrades (great read). I may just keep the M and add the "is" if I can swing it.
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Do you think downpipes and a DCI are necessary? Again, I really appreciate your help.
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Do you think downpipes and a DCI are necessary? Again, I really appreciate your help.

What are your goals?

For street, no. Start w/JB4 or Cobb - see where you are.
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What are your goals?

For street, no. Start w/JB4 or Cobb - see where you are.
Strictly street, car will not see the track.
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Strictly street, car will not see the track.

You'll feel a LSD from the first instant you press your pedal - you need that diff! Excellent street mod.
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You'll feel a LSD from the first instant you press your pedal - you need that diff! Excellent street mod.
Thank you. I am going to look into that as well.
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I had the JB4 G5 ISO Board with most recent updates. At the time (a few months back) Terry had an "is" specific setting that I was using and told to use. That setting on the JB4 has since been removed. Not sure why? Maybe it ran like sh*t? The car ran very choppy at different rpms regardless of which map I was using. I did multiple data logging sessions and was all over the n54 tech site trying to figure out what was up, After all a lot of people like the JB4 piggy back setup and I couldn't figure out why my car was running like crap.

I was told many different things like run e85 etc etc to fix the lag and choppy feeling I was getting at WOT. I eventually found a few other people on the boards who had 335is and had similar issues with the JB4? Maybe the unit works better with regular 335i as opposed to the 335is ? All I know is my car was running like crap and I had a piece of plastic and some wires made in china (JB4) installed on my $60,000 ( when new) car. So I sold the unit and got a dyno Cobb pro tune by PTF. So much better and easier to deal with. The car runs like a champ. The lesson I learned is cheaper is not always better. The Cobb pro tune cost more but it is well worth it. In hindsight I started to wonder why people (me included) buy expensive cars (BMWs) then put cheap POS on them




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Did you go through Jake?

I've been online with these guys over on the home website, they are great to work with. Lots of time spent Q & A. I've been considering a software change myself. Cobb AP with the help from the guys over at protunefreaks seems to be the way to go for best results.

And yes, I too could never understand why people look to upgrade cars like these on the cheap, unless it's a lease and even then it's still hard to justify doing!
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Did you go through Jake?

I've been online with these guys over on the home website, they are great to work with. Lots of time spent Q & A. I've been considering a software change myself. Cobb AP with the help from the guys over at protunefreaks seems to be the way to go for best results.

And yes, I too could never understand why people look to upgrade cars like these on the cheap, unless it's a lease and even then it's still hard to justify doing!

Bit of an issue, Dinan tune.

How you gonna sell it?

Cobb & JB4, no prob reselling.
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Bit of an issue, Dinan tune.

How you gonna sell it?

Cobb & JB4, no prob reselling.
Will sell the tune with the car when that day comes (as added value). Dinan software is VIN specific, locked into the DME, not a piggy back or self flashed as others are.

As for the hardware it will stay with the car too, again value added.

If I go Cobb...at a point of sale I'll sell it independently in the aftermarket by itself.

JB4, I just don't trust enough to consider, see the above posting, just to many stories like the one above...Unless one is really DIY under the hood, like yourself.
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I've been online with these guys over on the home website, they are great to work with. Lots of time spent Q & A. I've been considering a software change myself. Cobb AP with the help from the guys over at protunefreaks seems to be the way to go for best results.



And yes, I too could never understand why people look to upgrade cars like these on the cheap, unless it's a lease and even then it's still hard to justify doing!

Yes. The guys at pro tuning freaks are great. I wanted to do an initial Dyno pro tune so I would be able to see the before and after results. I drove down to Maryland and met up with Jake at a local BMW enthusiasts shop that had a couple of Dyno's. He spent a few hours getting my car just right. I can't say enough good things about the experience. My car runs much better then stock and worlds better then with the JB4. The Cobb is also so easy to use. I brought my car in for service last week and just had to quickly reflash back to stock settings. I'm going to throw in an ETS FMIC next and have Jake work his magic again on my ride.

If you are looking for a change I would say go for it!

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In my opinion the "is" comes perfectly tuned from the factory. I tried the cobb stock maps, car did not run better. Getting it pro tined might make a difference, dont know.
I did a few things instead, addd Dinan FMIC, M performance suspension and changed the tires to Non run flat. I dont track my car, just for street use. It runs beautiful, i am happy and wouldnt try anything else.
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Not sure I would be happy with those curves. Looks like its tuned for la lot of low end torque but it tanks very fast, by almost 50% by the normal shift point of 6K. Agree it might be reading low on the WHP.
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335is is a good place to start, but you'll be very disappointed in the suspension and lack of LSD.

What, you'll miss your M3? Yep. The good news is: can be fixed....for a price.
Test drove one this morning with DCT. You were spot on with your assessment. If I do purchase one in the near future I would HAVE to add that LSD. Thank you again for yor expertise. I am leaning towards keeping the E46 M3 for at least another year.
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Not sure I would be happy with those curves. Looks like its tuned for la lot of low end torque but it tanks very fast, by almost 50% by the normal shift point of 6K. Agree it might be reading low on the WHP.

What would you rather be seeing bear? Are you referring to the "hump" toward the end of the graph?


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I like a broad flat torque line with little drop till its covered by WHP. Red Line. On the WHP I like to see it pulling into the natural shift point (low 6K for an N54)& not falling off steeply early. Yellow line
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On your graph in the range you would normally shift at 6250rpm you are pretty much at stock 335is levels. Red Box. To shift into the meat of your powerband you would be short shifting at 5000rpm or less. Its just my thoughts, I might be missing something, but would be curious to understand what the goal was.

They posted very high torque numbers for the power shown, I did not get into 400+ ftlbs of torque till I was pushing near 400whp but for whatever reason my whp & torque numbers were always pretty close together. Other have had bigger spreads.
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