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X3 F25 (2011 - current)
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Old 07-28-2014, 12:21 PM
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first generation vs second generation reliability

Maybe it is just me but does vehicle reliability go down once production is moved to the states? Based on various articles and internet posts, that seems to be the case. Our X3 engines are still made in Austria as far as I know and I hope they continue to be made there sad to say. Might it be true that the Europeans take more pride in putting together a quality vehicle than the labor force in Spartanburg SC? Makes you wonder especially after reading posts about missing clips, etc. Where is the quality control?
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Old 07-28-2014, 12:41 PM
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Can you post some of these internet articles as far as the decline in quality of SC made BMW? As far as internet forum post, they are mostly opinions not facts.


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Old 07-28-2014, 12:48 PM
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I don't know. After several visits to the SC plant, it seems like most of the "quality" comes from the assembly process which is nearly all done by robot. The workforce seems happy and motivated and I think that most take pride in their work. If quality does suffer, it is more likely related to production line engineering and not so much the people working on the line. As you say, many components, including the engines and transmissions, are built in Europe.
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Old 07-29-2014, 08:14 AM
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Believe me, no matter where BMW opens a plant, rest assure that they'll have a couple of German technicians highly trained & capable to overlook the entire line of production - all of it - and to make sure that each and every vehicle that is shipped out from the plant is in par with the same high quality one is accustom whenever buying an Ultimate Driving Machine!


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Old 07-29-2014, 09:23 AM
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Maybe it is just me but does vehicle reliability go down once production is moved to the states? Based on various articles and internet posts, that seems to be the case. Our X3 engines are still made in Austria as far as I know and I hope they continue to be made there sad to say. Might it be true that the Europeans take more pride in putting together a quality vehicle than the labor force in Spartanburg SC? Makes you wonder especially after reading posts about missing clips, etc. Where is the quality control?
I owned a 2007 X3 3.0si - and in no way - build quality, performance, comfort - does it compare to my 2013 X3 M Sport 3.5. My 2013 with over 28K miles has been a solid - rattle free - totally bullet proof champ. Considering the 8 BMWs I have owned, my X3 3.5 is near the top in terms of overall quality and driving satisfaction.
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Old 07-29-2014, 11:33 AM
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Obvious the X3 has gone thru many deferences & upgrades so you should do a current comparison between an 2015 X3 build in Europe vs one with the same build year made in Spartanburg, SC.




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Old 07-29-2014, 01:07 PM
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Obvious the X3 has gone thru many deferences & upgrades so you should do a current comparison between an 2015 X3 build in Europe vs one with the same build year made in Spartanburg, SC.




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No X3s are assembled in Europe. I believe there is some production in India and Russia but the Spartanburg plant builds and ships X3s to the rest of the world.
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Old 07-29-2014, 02:00 PM
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True,
My mistake!
Same as the X5.
Bottom line I think is that once you've driven a BMW, it will be very hard if not almost impossible to drive anything else.
However as my other half is getting as a surprise for her birthday a 2015 X3 35i X-Drive, M- Aerodynamics + with the 310M 22" wheels in Alphine White and I already have for almost ten yrs a 330Ci, I was thinking in getting myself the new M4 however I have to say that I've test driven the new Chevy Stingray, the 2015 Nissan GTR Premium package and also the M4 and now I'm in debate with myself between the GTR and the M4?!

Shouldn't be a tuff call as I'm a true die hard Beemer fanatic but boy oh boy, after test driving the Nissan GTR, I'm not sure what my next toy is going to be.


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Old 07-30-2014, 05:56 AM
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Thanks for all the comments. My 2015 m sport 35i has been solid after a few minor repairs after initial purchase. I agree that nothing drives like a beamer!
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Old 07-31-2014, 05:34 PM
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Interesting discussion.

I had both the 2004 X3 3.0 made in Germany which I then traded in for a 2013 X3 3.0 turbo made in South Carolina, U.S.A. I do not notice any difference in build quality whether it is the fit of the body panels or squeak free structure, both were solid as a tank. Likewise the interior fit and finish of both were excellent and zero defects were noticed. The 2004 X3 needed replacement of all plastic hoses related to the cooling system at around 100,000 miles, which my mechanic (non-BMW dealer) said was common. I don't think it's a matter of being cheap, it may be related to performance or saving weight, but it was a big deal at the time at around $2,500. After that, the car ran great until around 115,000 miles when I started getting transmission error messages which we finally diagnosed as being related to a problem in the 4WD transfer case which may have been failing, a $4-5,000 event. At that point I decided to trade the car in and get a new X3 which I am enjoying now at around 30,000 miles having picked it up in September of 2012.

The only problem so far was one run-flat tire un-repairable leak where the tire was replaced under the tire warranty I purchased, free of charge. At around 23,000 another tire sustained a leak and I decided to replace all four with Pirelli P-Zeroes which were pricey at $2,500 for a set plus alignment. Bought them through the dealer and had them do the work so I could get a free loaner and get back to work. 7,000 miles later no problems still, have a dealer service coming up at, like I said, 30,000 miles plus. I really like the Pirellis versus the factory Goodyears as the ride is slightly better.

Between the two cars far prefer the 2013 X3 versus the 2004 version, the main reason being ride quality. The 2004 was very hard riding even though it did not have a sport suspension. The 2013 rides like the 3-series BMW's we've had, supple and controlled. The engine differences are interesting, the naturally aspirated 2004 3.0 was powerful and quick and seemed to lunge forward. The 2013 is turbocharged and is even faster (to my mind) and the power comes on in a continuous rush by comparison. I'm also get 2-3 MPG better gas mileage with the new car. The only place where I've lost anything is in the rear seat - 3 across seating is very tight compared to the old car - which is not very important to me but sometimes becomes a factor.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:59 PM
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I had a 2009 X3 3.0 and traded in for a 2013 X3 28i M-Sport/DHP. After 18 months in the 2013, I am 60/40 wishing I kept the 2009. The 2009 had a solid ride and was a tank in the snow. The 2013 seems a little softer to me even in sport and has been in the shop 4 out of the last 6 weeks for a chassis warning issue - something to do with damping sensors. I thought I would get better MPG with the N20 - was hoping for 26 or so but am barely over 20.The 2013 sure has a lot of toys but I miss that solid feel. The 2013 Goodyear's are junk if you ask me. My 2009 had Pirelli Scorpions that stuck like glue. I'm sure everyone has their own story but thats mine.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:59 AM
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Personally I think the US guys(and galls :-) are equally as capable as our teutonic friends. I had my X3 for 3 years now, and had very minimal issues with it. Compare this to my previous Merc that was built in Germany and it wins hands down (the X3 that is ;-).

Great job Spartanburg (sp?)

BTW, just writing that I wonder - did the town Spartanburg already exist? It seems strangely like a German town name, I wonder if it was made up?
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Old 08-16-2014, 09:25 AM
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BTW, just writing that I wonder - did the town Spartanburg already exist? It seems strangely like a German town name, I wonder if it was made up?
Spartanburg is relatively young in comparison to German cities. It was founded in 1831. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan...South_Carolina.

The BMW factory and the BMW Performance Center are actually in Greer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greer,_SC In my opinion the factory is interesting to visit, but the driving school at the Performance Center is much more fun.
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Old 08-16-2014, 07:52 PM
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PCD at the plant was one of the best days of my life. First class from start to finish.

Now that I am driving a 2014 loaner vs my 2013, I think the 2014 is a hair quicker. Maybe software ? I will say I miss my anthracite roof liner the most !
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Old 08-17-2014, 06:49 AM
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I have had my 2013 2.8 X3 since march 2012. It currently has 17500 miles. I have not had any major problems at all. The only minor problem was the level of antifreeze dropped in the beginning and some had to be added. Have not had the issue since. I am also happy that I got the last of the 2.8 non turbo straight 6's. Smooth as silk. The NAV is the only disappointing thing in this otherwise fine auto.

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