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X3 F25 (2011 - current)
The latest X3 brings some added style and some new features to the BMW SUV family. Talk about the new F25 now!

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Old 08-21-2014, 07:37 AM
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any issues with iPhone 5s and its full integration to the X3?
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. . . My advise if you're not someone who has thick black framed glasses and wears skinny jeans, sit in them for a while before you purchase them. Take it for a long drive because they're deceiving at first. . .
Thanks for your good comments, but I don't get this one. Sometimes I can be a bit slow, and a little more explanation would be appreciated.
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Old 08-21-2014, 09:39 AM
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Q5 feels roomier in the passenger cabin than the x3.
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Old 08-21-2014, 10:14 AM
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Thanks for your good comments, but I don't get this one. Sometimes I can be a bit slow, and a little more explanation would be appreciated.
You gotta be thin to like those sport seats.
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Old 08-21-2014, 10:23 AM
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could anyone comment on the similarity between the sport seats in a 3 series and the X3? Its proving very difficult to find an X3 M Sport to sample in new england
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Old 08-21-2014, 10:25 AM
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Excellent review!

The 2015 LCI is even better looking and safer than the 2013 I own (and 2014)

Revised front and back end

Turn signals moved from sides of the car to the side mirrors

Updated navigation system including touch wheel

LED lighting all over

Tighter suspension? Not sure about this. LCI 5 Series I own has tighter suspension over 2011-2013 (2014 was the LCI year- mid model update)

Only 26,000 miles on my 2013 X3, but looking to trade it in for the 2015. I like all the updated features on the 2015, but the main reason for considering trading up is not having bought some technology features for our 2013.

Really enjoying all the tech features on my 5 Series and regret not having added them to the X3 I purchased. Not having HUD in particular is missed the most.

That's one of the ways BMW sucks us in to buy new cars.
Yes I am glad my 14' came with HUD, I can't afford the new one with the features my 14' came with.. You're so lucky!

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Wow, I love the I-Drive navigation system in our X3.
I think it's pretty nice and much better than my cousin's 2011 iDrive version nd my previous 2011 Benz C300.

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I take it you know the sides are adjustable? I'm 6'2", 230lbs. If fully open I love them...,
they're perfect I'm 6'3 200lbs

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I am the owner (not lessee) of a 2015 X3 M Sport. I'm not new to the brand and have also owned numerous premium or near-premium SUVs, SAVs, and CUVs (2014 M-B ML350, 2011 Volvo XC60 R-Design, 2011 M-B GLK350 AMG-pkg., 2011 X5 xDrive50i, 2005 Lexus RX330).

Before I proceed, I will say that I am a real estate broker and have known and currently know colleagues with current Audi products. Some swear by them, others have had serious oil-burning issues with the 2.0 turbo four cylinder engine. So much so Audi bought back a 2011 A4 and now my colleague is in a 2013 that while burns less oil, still burns a quart every few thousand miles. My family in Vail, CO has driven Audi's since the 1990's; I can't say that even one of them was considered any more than mediocre when it came to dependability and reliability. They're now driving Fords, which that is an entirely different topic, but they left Audi with the intent to never buy another, after nearly 30 years with them.

Now, about the X3.

SEATS: In my opinion, there is no other option than to get the sport seats (only available in the M Sport pkg). They're vastly more comfortable than the standard seats. Our X5 did not have them and we always wished it had. My '06 330xi had them, again, loved them. They likely don't work for all body types, so certainly worth trying out over an extended test drive. I am 5'10, nearly 170 lbs.

COMFORT: With the dynamic handling package, our X3 is just as composed, solid and absorbs bumps as well as its stablemate, a 2014 ML350. This surprised me as I was fully anticipating the more harsh/unsettled ride of our past BMWs. DHP's enhanced sport-mode also changes this from a tame cruiser to an all-out beast, regardless of 28i or 35i engine. A very well spent $1,300.

EFFICIENCY: Coming from a very thirsty X5 50i and an unreasonably thirsty (for its size/power) M-B GLK350, this was important to me as I was over the constant fill-ups. I drive primarily urban city traffic (read: stop signs and stop lights every few blocks) and I have yet to see my MPG in the teens -- and this engine has yet to break 2,000 miles. Seriously impressive for a quite heavy, sporty SAV with AWD. Yes, I have what some here consider the "lesser" engine, but I test drove both several times and decided for me the 28i was the clear winner. Maybe it's after owning the X5 50i (twin turbo V8) that I became more practical and reasonable?

TECH: I'm barely 30, and coming from my GLK daily driver to this ... decent learning curve here. Not necessarily a bad thing, but by model year '15 and selecting nearly every option, BMW has done an excellent job (I feel) with providing top level tech available. Where the Benz was simple and straight forward, this is highly customizable, intuitive and darn right sexy in execution. I really missed my time behind the wheel of this brand.

SIZE: For me and my needs, the X3 is ideal. I found the GLK too tight for 4 or 5 -- X3 is spot-on. It doesn't have gobs and gobs of excess room, but it isn't tight either. I have been in Q5s several times and feel they're about in-between the X3 and GLK size-wise. Parked next to our ML350, yep ... this SAV is certainly more compact.

PARKING/TURNING: City and parallel parking, while not difficult with the top-view camera, can prove more challenging than even the ML350 due to the not-so-great turning radius. This is one of my biggest complaints about the X3. This is something I feel you don't/won't notice on a test drive, but rather when you live with the vehicle on a day to day basis.

I almost pulled the trigger back in 2013 on an X3 M Sport, I am so happy to have waited for this LCI (refresh/facelift). The changes are truly premium in nature and the new options are very worthwhile. I personally love the front of the 2015 M Sport, while the prior years just looked less aggressive -- albeit still very nice vehicles.

All in all, I don't think I could have selected a better vehicle. It just feels like the jack-of-all-trades, without giving much up in return.

Good luck in your decision!
Amazing review!
I have to agree with the Dynamic Handling pkg and the parking/turning
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Old 08-21-2014, 10:29 AM
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You gotta be thin to like those sport seats.
Thick black framed glasses?
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Old 08-21-2014, 10:46 AM
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any issues with iPhone 5s and its full integration to the X3?
No issues in my 2014 X3 M-sport
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Old 08-21-2014, 02:17 PM
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I have a 2015 35i M sport white with mocha. It is beautiful. It is a rare find so you might have to special order.
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Old 08-21-2014, 05:20 PM
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Thick black framed glasses?
It's a metro sexual thing, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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Old 08-21-2014, 05:23 PM
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could anyone comment on the similarity between the sport seats in a 3 series and the X3? Its proving very difficult to find an X3 M Sport to sample in new england
There is a difference, my buddy's M package 3 series has sport seats and they fit me better, that's why I didn't give them a second thought when we picked out the X. Sorry I did, don't like them one bit. He'll be back from vaca next week, I'll get some specific differences from him if you want, he has an X too so he can give me the details on the differences.

Making our first trip to MD from CT tomorrow, hoping I don't fidget too much.

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Old 08-22-2014, 08:31 AM
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It's a metro sexual thing, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
Oh good! I finally got to sleep last night when I decided my thick tortoise-shell (not black) framed glasses would be OK.
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Old 08-22-2014, 08:50 AM
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Have any of you recently traded a newer (2011+) X3? Curious as to resale - I plugged some hypothetical KBB numbers in...it seems to retain pretty good value but was wondering how dealers have responded.

Reason being, I am debating buying this X3 right now, and quite possibly unwinding it when the new Q5 hits market..I know I will take a small hit, but think it might be the best way to retain equity. Or, trade my car, do a 2 year lease on an X3, and essentially have my trade pay the lease payments for the next year, which isn't that bad either. Not sure what to do, it sucks because I do not want to go into this winter without a truck/awd, but do not want to wait another season to see what happens with the Audi while slogging through winter with FWD.
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Old 08-22-2014, 08:53 AM
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There is a difference, my buddy's M package 3 series has sport seats and they fit me better, that's why I didn't give them a second thought when we picked out the X. Sorry I did, don't like them one bit. He'll be back from vaca next week, I'll get some specific differences from him if you want, he has an X too so he can give me the details on the differences.

Making our first trip to MD from CT tomorrow, hoping I don't fidget too much.
That would be great. Thank you. I spent a few hours driving the 3 M Sport last nite - all highway. Seats were so so. I am starting to think my body just might not be the proper fit for the bimmer seats. I would love some more thigh support - find the bottom really flat. However, the lateral back support is nice.
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:17 AM
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Have any of you recently traded a newer (2011+) X3? Curious as to resale - I plugged some hypothetical KBB numbers in...it seems to retain pretty good value but was wondering how dealers have responded.

Reason being, I am debating buying this X3 right now, and quite possibly unwinding it when the new Q5 hits market..I know I will take a small hit, but think it might be the best way to retain equity. Or, trade my car, do a 2 year lease on an X3, and essentially have my trade pay the lease payments for the next year, which isn't that bad either. Not sure what to do, it sucks because I do not want to go into this winter without a truck/awd, but do not want to wait another season to see what happens with the Audi while slogging through winter with FWD.
If your goal is to buy the next gen Q5, I would wait a year or two after the initial release. I believe this model will be built from their new facility in Mexico. Aside from the typical problems associated with a new model, there could be additional issues attributed to a new manufacturing line. Also I can see the buy price hovering around MSRP (less loyalty or conquest).

In in my opinion, go with a 3-year lease on the X3 (assuming that you like it). Use the trade-in as a separate transaction and put down 7 MSD's and the remainder in the bank. This would provide you with protection against a drop in valuation. During that time you would have ample time to look at the next gen Q5 and other vehicles and decide if that's the direction for you.

BTW, I am in a similar position except that my wife and I are debating who's going to get the 3-series vs. X3. Though I will be keeping the car in my signature. You are correct, finding a X3 with the M sport in the New England area is difficult if not impossible.

Final thought, the residual values on the X3 are bad. The values should improve as the MY14's are no longer in inventory. Perhaps within the next month or two.
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thank you, good insight. Did not know about the plant move.
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Hello,

I picked up a 2015 X3 3.5 with the M package a couple of weeks ago and have been very pleased so far. I actually hd gone in to look at the X5 but my sales guy that I have bought from before told me I should check out the new X3.

I probably would not have bought one without the M package as I am not really sold on the looks without it, but the sport seats that come with the package are great. I am 6'2", fit and I fit perfectly. Also very happy with the HK stereo option, sounds great.

Milage is probably lower than expected but wasn't really a factor in my purchase and I probably drive harder than most would. I don't like the auto start/stop feature and leave is off and I have heard thats where you get a lot of milage gain.

Over all though very happy, drives great!
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Hello,

I picked up a 2015 X3 3.5 with the M package a couple of weeks ago and have been very pleased so far. I actually hd gone in to look at the X5 but my sales guy that I have bought from before told me I should check out the new X3.

I probably would not have bought one without the M package as I am not really sold on the looks without it, but the sport seats that come with the package are great. I am 6'2", fit and I fit perfectly. Also very happy with the HK stereo option, sounds great.

Milage is probably lower than expected but wasn't really a factor in my purchase and I probably drive harder than most would. I don't like the auto start/stop feature and leave is off and I have heard thats where you get a lot of milage gain.

Over all though very happy, drives great!
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Congrats you did the right thing!
X3 is the leader in its segment, even compared to the more luxurious Macan.
The Size and Overall of it its so balanced to fit 4 tall adults, with someone in the middle, enough cargo, great handling, looker and fun.
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Hello,

I picked up a 2015 X3 3.5 with the M package a couple of weeks ago and have been very pleased so far. I actually hd gone in to look at the X5 but my sales guy that I have bought from before told me I should check out the new X3.

I probably would not have bought one without the M package as I am not really sold on the looks without it, but the sport seats that come with the package are great. I am 6'2", fit and I fit perfectly. Also very happy with the HK stereo option, sounds great.

Milage is probably lower than expected but wasn't really a factor in my purchase and I probably drive harder than most would. I don't like the auto start/stop feature and leave is off and I have heard thats where you get a lot of milage gain.

Over all though very happy, drives great!
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Congrats! Nice looking X3 you have there. What color interior and trim type did you opt for?
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BMW Seats - interesting to see the views. I have a 2012 GT with Comfort seats and have always felt they were too stiff and the bottom flat and deep, making me feel like I was sitting in a hole. After about an hour, I need to get out and adjust.... I actually have added padding by sitting on a towel. I'm looking at a X5 with sport seats and VERY nervous about it.

I can get in my Lexus and Toyota - no problem with seats...... I am 6' and 200lbs.
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Old 08-24-2014, 06:17 AM
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I'm looking at a X5 with sport seats and VERY nervous about it.
Grab a book/magazine and sit in it for a while, that's all I could suggest. It comes down to body types, nothing else. If you're in it for a half hour or so and they don't pinch you then you're probably good to go, at that point I'd take it for a drive so you can feel how they are during active driving. Make sure they are at their widest setting though, the button is forward of the ones on the lateral side, it's on the beginning of the radius to the front part of the seat.

We had our first trip in it yesterday, I drove it from CT to MD then sat in the passenger seat on the way back, thanks to traffic on the wonderful NJ Turnpike it was over 11 hours in the car. Driving wasn't as bad as I thought because my arm(s) was forward holding the wheel which seemed to pull my back off the sides a bit. On the way back I was talking to the passengers in the back and was slightly turned in the seat which relieved pressure from the side bolsters. It didn't bother me as much as I thought but without question I wish they went wider.

I wonder what they'll be like with winter clothing on.

Edit: Disclaimer, I don't have any experience in the standard seats so I don't have any basis for comparison, these are just my thoughts on the sport seats.

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Hello,



I picked up a 2015 X3 3.5 with the M package a couple of weeks ago and have been very pleased so far. I actually hd gone in to look at the X5 but my sales guy that I have bought from before told me I should check out the new X3.



I probably would not have bought one without the M package as I am not really sold on the looks without it, but the sport seats that come with the package are great. I am 6'2", fit and I fit perfectly. Also very happy with the HK stereo option, sounds great.



Milage is probably lower than expected but wasn't really a factor in my purchase and I probably drive harder than most would. I don't like the auto start/stop feature and leave is off and I have heard thats where you get a lot of milage gain.



Over all though very happy, drives great!

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We are in the process of buying a 2015 Audi Q5, and have ruled out the X3, outside chance if the deals fall through that we could reluctantly choose Volvo XC60 instead. I'm 5ft 11in 165lb, standard X3 seats are all we can find in our region. They are okay, but nothing special, and the total seating position is part of the issue. The primary driver is five inches shorter and has the same issues, and strongly dislikes runflat tires for our needs.

Q5 seats are very comfortable, and the total seating position is more suitable for both of us. Having driven both and play-acted their utility functions how we would typically use them, the Audi is a fully capable driver and seems more natural to load up and configure, has great build quality and attractive materials, and is packaged more in line with our desires. We have family and friends who have loved their bulletproof reliability and more than acceptable fuel economy with the 2.0T, but are in the process of locating a 3.0T or TDI instead, those are just great engines. We are buying for long term ownership, not leasing. We have more and better options for Audi dealerships and independent mechanics than BMW, too.

Should there be a problem getting exactly what we want in a Q5, Volvo XC60 is the fallback position. The main reason is the wonderfully comfortable seats, the rest of the vehicle is less desirable than X3 or Q5.

If I were in your position, don't be waiting around for the next generation Q5. This generation has been developed and improved, is really well made and has more predictable reliability (our family and friends have racked up some serious miles with nothing but routine maintenance), and is fully competitive in features, function, comfort, and room. The new one is a couple of years off, will start the development cycle all over again, and will be made in a new factory, not sure I would want to own one the first couple of model years, but have no qualms about the current Q5.

In fact, there are times I wish I had got a Q5 TDI instead of the 328xd, mostly because of the difference in seating comfort. A ride recently in someone's new A6 had me loving those seats, too.
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My family has a 2014 A6...cannot say I have one significant complaint about the car. Thanks for the feedback.
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