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Old 08-28-2014, 09:07 AM
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Imagine your 535i sweet inline 6 turbo.....

....bored out to 4 liter displacement and gaining a similar percentage increase in power and torque in stock form.....wouldn't be nice??

Well such car exists but only Australians (for just a little longer) can buy it....it is the Ford Falcon 4.0 Turbo (depending on trim called XR6 Turbo G6E Turbo and F6 310)

Producing up to 420 HP and about 417 ft/lb in stock form, the Ford Barra inline 6 turbo is the biggest and most powerful straight 6 in the world...and no, it is not a push rod design , its is a DOHC 24 valves all alluminum with variable timing on both intake and exhaust and variable lift.
The car is coupled with a ZF 6 speed automatic transmission.

The true believers can still get a Falcon with a V8.

...and no is not a FWD platform..........a proper RWD sedan with double pivot frost struts (the new 2015 Mustang borrowed this front suspension) and control blade independent rear suspension (so no live axle at the back!) very light for its size.

The Falcon was featured by Car And Driver in more than one article years ago and labeled as the "car that could save Ford"..I would say it could save Lincoln...

Ford Australia has tried several times to convince the higher ups in Detroit to bring the Falcon in US (at least its platform architecture).....no chance, actually Ford US tried years ago to introduce the Taurus in Australia against the advice of Ford Australia management and that was a disaster, Australians refused to buy it.

With no feasible large enough export markets (you can buy a Falcon in New Zealand, few Asian countries and South Africa) and with the North American doors shut, given the recent increase in preferences towards SUV away from sedans, the Falcon could not survive on such small numbers and the chopping block was inevitable...plans for a new generation were shelved (the current platform FG was introduced in early 2008) and production will shut down in 2016....the Aussies will get their Taurus after all

The Ford Falcon is a large sedan as big as an F10 obviously not even close with the same level of fit, finish and options (totally different price points) but has always been a hoot to drive and I had the chance several times to take a XR6 turbo for a spin (I often visit Australia)

It is interesting to mention that something similar happened to GM.....for years Holden (the GM Australian division) tried to convince the US management to bring the formidable Commodore in the US to no avail....finally in Detroit they woke up and after a first half assed attempt (remember the Cadillac Catera?) they brought stateside the Australian chassis engineers and from the Commodore underpinnings developed the Alpha platform (ATS and CTS) which effectively saved Cadillac...the Commodore original platform (what did become the Zeta platform) is what underpins the very successful new Camaro.
The unmodified Commodore arrived too late to save Pontiac..despite the brand such damaged reputation, the G8 was a big sales success. The Australian Commodore is now imported as the Chevrolet SS.
The new GM high tech DOHC V6 was developed by Holden Australia as well.
However, after effectively saving Cadillac (and boosting Chevrolet sales) the Commodore production in Australia will be shut down as well one year after the Falcon.

So yes....for decades Australians were driving locally produced (from US owned corporations) very good RWD cars where Americans were saddled with boxy and plastic clad uninspiring front drivers....


A Falcon F6 310 0 to 113 mph in 11 seconds



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Old 08-28-2014, 11:54 PM
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Very civilized comment, bravo. With your 20-post-long presence on this forum, please be advised this was not up to the standards here... (lol, if you believe this silly word allows one to write anything).
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I'm sorry but last time I checked, this is a forum, not an English 101 class. LOL, I use as I please!


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The inline 6 in the new M3/4 puts out 431HP and 405 lbs of torque from 3 litres. Maybe Ford should stick that in a Falcon? I think they'd do well if the Focus RS lands on North American shores, as is the rumour. 300hp and AWD in that little thing would be fun.
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Ford desperately needs to do something for Lincoln, and I think offering a Lincoln-only performance luxury sedan is that thing. Not a car that is plainly a Fusion with extra body cladding - something like the ATS or CTS, which are unavailable elsewhere in GM's lineups.

This platform, done the right way, could be a great idea for a Lincoln flagship car. If they aren't thinking that way, they're asleep over there.
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The inline 6 in the new M3/4 puts out 431HP and 405 lbs of torque from 3 litres. Maybe Ford should stick that in a Falcon? I think they'd do well if the Focus RS lands on North American shores, as is the rumour. 300hp and AWD in that little thing would be fun.
The Ford 4 liter 400+ HP is in stock form...you can tune it way more than that....no way around it, the Barra straight 6 has 33% more displacement than the 3 liter BMW.

However it is kind of lost talk, The Falcon and the 6 inline Barra engine will be dropped in 2016.
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Had a Falcon as a rental car when I visited Sydney a few years back. It wasn't a high performance turbocharged model, but it did have a big Inline 6 with a ZF Transmission. Far nicer to drive than the Crown Vics the rental companies were handing out in the US at the time.

Sorry to hear they're going away instead of being modernized and expanded to the rest of the world. Are the "utes" going away also, or are they living on? I fell in love with the high performance Ford and Holden "pickup cars" down under - a modern take on the El Camino with great performance.
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Had a Falcon as a rental car when I visited Sydney a few years back. It wasn't a high performance turbocharged model, but it did have a big Inline 6 with a ZF Transmission. Far nicer to drive than the Crown Vics the rental companies were handing out in the US at the time.

Sorry to hear they're going away instead of being modernized and expanded to the rest of the world. Are the "utes" going away also, or are they living on? I fell in love with the high performance Ford and Holden "pickup cars" down under - a modern take on the El Camino with great performance.
I believe the Falcon and Commodore based utes are goners too unfortunately.
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