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The fourth generation 3 Series (E46 chassis) was introduced in 1999 and set the standard for engineering and performance during it's years of production including being named to Car & Driver's 10 best list every one of those years! ! -- View the E46 Wiki

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Old 01-23-2005, 04:50 PM
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Oh, and I'm with shizat63 in using the mpg gauge. It's taught me to use my throttle a little better, although it takes a lot of concentration. I rather just keep up with traffic, but when the streets are empty or I'm in the mood, watching that mpg gauge allows me to bring the mpg up.

I used to use the mpg gauge and I'd get up to 26mpg overall for the whole tank, which is good considering how hilly it is were I live. Anyway, recently I decided enough was enough and I stoped babying my 330 and now I drive it however I feel like and ignore the gauge.
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Old 01-23-2005, 05:10 PM
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I keep an eye on the fun gauge from time to time, but I soon realized that on a per-tank basis, it made practically no difference between driving normally and being VERY easy on the throttle.
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:06 PM
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I was getting between 360 and 450+ per tank on my manual 325Ci. The manual 330i with 1700 miles is lucky to get 300 miles per tank at 90% highway

I broke in both engines the same way, and I drive the same way as I did in the 325. I have no performance mods. At this rate I should have just got an S4.

I thought it might be winter fuel related, but my 325 with 52K was doing fine in Dec. And it's not a small engine vs. big engine b/c the 330i EPA range is 21/30 mpg. Unless the EPA numbers are grossly inaccurate as in the hybrid Toyotas, I'm at a loss.

Is this 39.2 DME related Anyone else getting 300 miles or less from their ZHP?
My gas mileage to date has been pretty consistant. When I lived 10 miles from work , with a commute on a rural highway, I got around 22-23 mpg. Now that I live 4 miles from work and it's mostly urban with moderate traffic, I get right at 20 mpg. I got the 39.2 update a couple months ago and have had no change in the economy. On a long trip last summer, I got a one tank reading of 29.4 mpg.
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:27 PM
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From my casual experience, and without any comparison to other 3ers, it seems like my car reacts very negatively to moderate throttle inputs with regard to fuel mileage. It seems to take a very light touch on the loud pedal for good MPG. With a light touch, and without cruise, I have seen 31+ MPG on the highway, but that's doing the accelerate down hill, and hold it steady with some speed decrease uphill.

My mixed driving (with mostly around town) sees about 21.7 from the OBC readout, FWIW.
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:38 PM
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Your lucky your engine gets more fuel from those injectors, probably means your car runs nice and strong Two ways of looking at it
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:38 PM
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Not to sound like an angry old man here, but how are you guys getting such good mileage? Any type of throttle input in the city will automatically bring the mpg down. I've tried crawling along with minimal throttle input only to watch the mpg nose dive.
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:40 PM
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You must have had a "special" 325. My 318ti with the A/C on gave me 21 MPG for the same kind of normal driving as my 330i.
My 'normal driving' in my 323ci gets me about 22-24mpg. Your 'normal driving' must be quite different than mine especially since I usually get between 27-29mpg in my wife's 318i.
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Old 01-23-2005, 07:10 PM
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My new 330i ZHP is also getting lousy mileage. Only have 1500 miles on it so far, but I'm averaging 16-17 mpg per tank, according to the OBC. Hopefully this will improve.
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Old 01-23-2005, 07:19 PM
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my fairly conservative driving style has netted me an average of 26mpg, average tank around 360, i have gotten 450+ when i drove 90% freeway, i'm positive i'll break 500 one of these days...
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Old 01-23-2005, 07:27 PM
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Filled the 330 today and got 20 mpg all city driving. Last summer out west got around 26 all highway, lots of mountains and lots of over 100. I'm happy with that. Sure, my ti got 30 highway with the AC on...but that's comparing apples to oranges.
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Old 01-23-2005, 08:12 PM
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I usually get 21 - 25 mpg overall in my 330 depending on how I drive, also I noticed a I lost a couple mpg's when I put on the snow tires. When I fill up the car usually takes around 14 gallons and I'll get anywhere from 300 - 350 on the tank. This about 60% highway 40% city.

I think when the car breaks in more, you'll see an improvement in gas mileage.

I don't know if the B6 S4 would feel that much better then the ZHP when it comes to low end torque, because even though the engine has more torque then the ZHP, it is also id driving 4 wheels and it weighs like 500lbs. more then then ZHP.

I can't definitively speak for the B6 S4 - but comparison between my B5 S4 and my 330 ZHP - in regards to torque - is significant. The S4 has gobs and gobs of it - up and down the rev range - where the ZHP is much more peaky. Both can go fast certainly (and the 330 deceptively so) - but there is really no comparison. With the S4 a blip of the throttle at nearly any point in the rev range causes the car to litterly lurch forward - and then flat out go - where the 330 seems to build a bit before it really gets going. The S4 is really very noticibly faster...what can I say...(and yeah I'm chipped and otherwise modded....but even in stock mode the car is clearly quicker)

And heh - I wasn't cmplaining about 14 MPG...its just a fact...but one of the reasons we picked up the bimmer up was for me to commute with in anticipation of better city mileage. My commute is much longer then my wife's (understatement - she has about 2-3 miles) and 14 mpg for a 40-60 mile round trip (I have several places I commute to...all with lots of stop and go...)...well - I wanted something that would give me a bit better mileage and also wanted to lessen the wear and tear (put more then 40K in 2 years...) on the Audi. Well....was hoping for at least 20 for city with the bimmer...but more like 18 - maybe even less at times...moot point though...the wife loves the BMW so much its difficult to pry it from her (OK it really is near perfection in an auto...IMO) - and in fact I don't always try so hard as I prefer the S4...love both cars really - but ultimately the kick in the back torque of the S4 (and the ability to basically easily shoot by nearly everyone else at will) really does it for me. The driving experience of both is really first rate (though neither is perhaps as thrilling as my MR2 was...)....but me driving for high gas mileage (yeah rite...)...well...not really my first concern...and I wouldn't have bought any of these cars if it was...
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Old 01-23-2005, 08:39 PM
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My `04 ZHP Coupe gets between 20-24 mpg with 50/50 mixed city/highway driving....identical to my `99 528i SP.
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Back in `78, during the second Opec-inspired gas crisis, my landlord bought a new VW Rabbit, hoping to better his long-commute mileage compared to his old AMC wagon. He owned two houses, side by side....I rented one, and he lived in the other with his wife and infant son. He always parked his car in my driveway, as there was considerably more room.Anyway, he started bragging (a lot) about the mileage in the new Rabbit, and after a month or so, I decided to have some fun with him....every couple of nights, I would go out to the driveway, and clandestinely add a quart or two of gas to his tank....he was astounded by his new car`s incredible mileage....over a few weeks, I increased the amounts, until he was "getting" 84 miles per gallon. Then, one night, I began siphoning gas *out*, a few gallons at a clip....he was depressed, his mileage had fallen to 18 mpg....then, his wife told me that he had called the dealer to complain. Seems that after the SA heard the complaint, he put the conversation on speaker phone, and everyone in the place was howling with laughter over "the guy getting 84 mpg from a Rabbit"....I never told him the *real* problem....

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Old 01-23-2005, 08:43 PM
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Old 01-23-2005, 09:05 PM
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I average about 22mpg in the city, 20mpg during "Spirited Driving", and about 26-27mpg on the highway, to me that seems about right. Yeah my 325Ci average 22 in the city and 30 on the highway.
You have a manual or auto tranny? What are your shift points? I can't fathom getting 22 in the city unless you never hit a traffic light or, for that matter, traffic.

BTW, I have managed to get 45+ mpg on the highway. That was for a mile-long descent, though... And wasn't there a thread some time back about some guy getting over 500 miles on a road trip to FL? And someone got 30+ mpg while going 80+. Something like that.
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Old 01-23-2005, 09:20 PM
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My `04 ZHP Coupe gets between 20-24 mpg with 50/50 mixed city/highway driving....identical to my `99 528i SP.
War Story:
Back in `78, during the second Opec-inspired gas crisis, my landlord bought a new VW Rabbit, hoping to better his long-commute mileage compared to his old AMC wagon. He owned two houses, side by side....I rented one, and he lived in the other with his wife and infant son. He always parked his car in my driveway, as there was considerably more room.Anyway, he started bragging (a lot) about the mileage in the new Rabbit, and after a month or so, I decided to have some fun with him....every couple of nights, I would go out to the driveway, and clandestinely add a quart or two of gas to his tank....he was astounded by his new car`s incredible mileage....over a few weeks, I increased the amounts, until he was "getting" 84 miles per gallon. Then, one night, I began siphoning gas *out*, a few gallons at a clip....he was depressed, his mileage had fallen to 18 mpg....then, his wife told me that he had called the dealer to complain. Seems that after the SA heard the complaint, he put the conversation on speaker phone, and everyone in the place was howling with laughter over "the guy getting 84 mpg from a Rabbit"....I never told him the *real* problem....

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Old 01-23-2005, 09:24 PM
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You have a manual or auto tranny? What are your shift points? I can't fathom getting 22 in the city unless you never hit a traffic light or, for that matter, traffic.

BTW, I have managed to get 45+ mpg on the highway. That was for a mile-long descent, though... And wasn't there a thread some time back about some guy getting over 500 miles on a road trip to FL? And someone got 30+ mpg while going 80+. Something like that.
that's 747 mpg.
I went down a hill once and reset and I got "oo". Once I gassed it made me cry.
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Old 01-23-2005, 09:34 PM
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that's 747 mpg.
I went down a hill once and reset and I got "oo". Once I gassed it made me cry.
What's 747 mpg?
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Old 01-23-2005, 10:16 PM
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How the heck did you get 450+ miles out of a 325? I could push mine down a hill and there's no way mine will do that.
Ditto. I can get in the high 300's and average 19-22 MPG. I don't think my driving style is all that conservative, but I don't jet around town like Racer X. Though I was hoping for the 25-30 I thought I'd get (and was told my mileage would be worst with a 330i), it's still a lot better than the SUV with snow tires I traded for the bimmer

Anyone think the wider tires included in the sport package (225's) decrease gas mileage?
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Old 01-23-2005, 10:27 PM
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What's 747 mpg?
Hah. Whoops. I meant 747 miles on one tank.
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Old 01-23-2005, 10:46 PM
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I'm pretty consistent averaging at about 21 to 22 mpg with 50/50 city/highway. The fuel light lights up at about 290 to 300 miles. I think it depends on your driving style. I admit that I drive more aggressive than I used to be because it is so much fun revving it up. Going to Las Vegas last month, I got about 25 mpg averaging 85 to 90 mph and often times in excess of 100. Well, I normally get from LA to LV in 2.5 hrs.
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Old 01-23-2005, 11:04 PM
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I don't know if the B6 S4 would feel that much better then the ZHP when it comes to low end torque, because even though the engine has more torque then the ZHP, it is also id driving 4 wheels and it weighs like 500lbs. more then then ZHP.
Oh no, the low end torque of the B6 S4 is night and day compared to the ZHP. The S4 can get up and go in any gear at any rpm.
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Old 01-24-2005, 05:37 AM
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Sounds like something I read in a Car & Driver once. A 10-best issue. Hmm.
Actually, it was a CHiPs episode.
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Old 01-24-2005, 05:43 AM
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my fairly conservative driving style has netted me an average of 26mpg, average tank around 360, i have gotten 450+ when i drove 90% freeway, i'm positive i'll break 500 one of these days...
Same here. I want to see 500 from a tank, but it would probably require the cruise set at 55mph and no headwind. Back when I had my Saturn, I'd gotten as high as 42 mpg with an 80mph average (heading east), but going west the mileage was always 3-5 mpg worse.

With my 330Ci 6spd, I've seen as high as 33 mpg according to OBC with cruise at 70mph on level ground, but haven't been able to drive that slow for any length of time. Still, I can't wait for spring to try some long trips (no snows=no drive this time of year).
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Drove my friend's 03 330xi from Toronto to NJ, 400 miles with 14 gallons, 4 adults w/ trunkful of luggages. I get an avg of 20mpg with my 04 325i since day 1. The poor mpg has to do with the fact that I constantly get stuck on highways in NYC...
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Yeesh. I'm lucky if I get 200 miles out of a fuel tank. Quit yer whinin'!
Haha, you should see the mileage I got at the track. I think I managed 10mpg for one whole tank. Definitely had to refuel more than my friend with his 98 M3.

In aggressive city/hwy driving mix (approx 70% city) I get around 17-18mpg.

Frankly, I could not care less...

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