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Old 02-04-2005, 06:33 AM
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Question Are the BMW 528i, and the 525i the same powerwise?

I have just noticed that the BMW 528i and the 525i are fairly same in hp. Is this true or there are other differences too? Also the 528i has a bigger market value than the 525i, I mean so big that a 1999 BMW 528i costs more than a 2002 BMW 525i with fairly the same options. How is this possible? I have been told not to compare the 528i with the 525i but the 530i, because the 528i fits under that market. I am probably going to pay a 2002-2003 (E39) in the near future for my wife, and wanted a car that holds its value. right now i see a 2002 BMW 525i Black/Black-120km 5spd manual for $24,900, and a 1999 BMW 528i Black/Black-140km-Automatic for $25,900.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:10 AM
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the 528 has 190ishhp and 208ish lbs ft torque (can't remember if that's right) while the 525 has what, 184hp and 190ish torque? There are rumors that the 528 was under-rated from the factory to fall under a german insurance cutoff for hp, and i've seen people claim to have dynoed their 528's and 328s at 190whp... I had a 528i, my wife had a 525iT. While the wagon does weigh a bit more, the 528 was definately a stronger car, much better performance. The 525 felt quick off the line due to it's lower (numerically higher) gearing, but after than it just felt flat. The 528 felt real strong low-mid range, then got a little soft at the top end (compared to my prior e34 non vanos 525, which had no power until 4k then was real strong from 4-7k...)

If you're buying one to keep for a while, i'd pick the 528 over the 525 just for better day to day drivability. If you're looking at sedans, go with the 530 which is even better.
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Old 02-04-2005, 03:24 PM
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The 525 felt quick off the line due to it's lower (numerically higher) gearing, but after than it just felt flat.
I agree. I recently had a 525i I was selling for my neighbor. So I had been switching back and forth between my 2.8 and the 2.5. Off the line was pretty similar (I didn't know why - the gearing makes sense), but overall the 2.5 deffinitely lacked a little something, enough to notice.

My 2.8 keeps up with my friends e34 3.5 if I have my slushie in Step mode.
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Old 02-04-2005, 03:51 PM
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I used to have a low mileage '99 528i automatic (no sport package). While a very nice car, that straight six really does not fit it. There is a discernible lack of low end power. Not that everyone would want to, but after turning traction control, you cannot do a burnout. Why you would want to in a 4 door sedan is debatable, but I do.

Is 190hp really enough for a 3600# car? But dont get me wrong, a very nice car. Just not very powerful, and that is the truth. And the 525 is going to be less powerful. But they handle great.

I currently have an 01 540ia. I realize it is a significant price difference (or can be), but I would strongly advise getting the V8. Drive all three, and see if the extra cost is worth it. For me, having the extra power and not always needing it outweighs not having the power and sometimes needing it.
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Old 02-04-2005, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BMW528i_Bilal
I have just noticed that the BMW 528i and the 525i are fairly same in hp. Is this true or there are other differences too? Also the 528i has a bigger market value than the 525i, I mean so big that a 1999 BMW 528i costs more than a 2002 BMW 525i with fairly the same options. How is this possible? I have been told not to compare the 528i with the 525i but the 530i, because the 528i fits under that market. I am probably going to pay a 2002-2003 (E39) in the near future for my wife, and wanted a car that holds its value. right now i see a 2002 BMW 525i Black/Black-120km 5spd manual for $24,900, and a 1999 BMW 528i Black/Black-140km-Automatic for $25,900.

I own a 528i manual, and have driven the 525/528/530/540 all in auto and manual. First of all, the auto vs. manual makes a very big difference...the auto's in all of them except the 540 feel underpowered, IMO. The manual 525 feels a little peppy, but weak. The 528 manual pulls hard and stays strong (especially with a cold air intake on mid-upper end). I have no problem jumping out into traffic, nor keeping up with the 540 guys when we have a meet (actually, most of them ask me if I have mods because of the way my car performs)...that is, until they really get up and moving, which is when I'm dust!

By the way, the 528 is to be compared to the 530 because the 530 is derived from the 528. The 2.8 engine was revised to be 3.0.

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Old 02-05-2005, 04:01 AM
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I used to have a low mileage '99 528i automatic (no sport package). While a very nice car, that straight six really does not fit it. There is a discernible lack of low end power. Not that everyone would want to, but after turning traction control, you cannot do a burnout. Why you would want to in a 4 door sedan is debatable, but I do.
Then buy something large and American and/or Japanese...!

The auto specified for the US market is partly to blame - widely spaced ratios and a tall-ish first gear don't help off-the-line performance. It would be perfectly possible to do a burnout in a manual version, if that's what floats your boat. Or, just fit a set of crap tyres with not much grip.
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Is 190hp really enough for a 3600# car? But dont get me wrong, a very nice car. Just not very powerful, and that is the truth.
Hmm. Sounds like your car has something wrong with it. The manual version, at launch, got from 0-60 in 6.8 sec and sailed past 140 mph (Autocar, Dec 1995). If you find yourself driving to the point where this capability is not enough for you, then you are driving yourself into situations where you don't have the wherewithal to get out - and that is quite dangerous.
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I currently have an 01 540ia.
Ah. 'Course you do
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Old 02-05-2005, 11:05 AM
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Smile Drove a 2003 BMW 525i

I drove a 2003 BMW 525i. The car had the premium package, and xenon headlights, and was Black/Black, exactly like my 2000 528i. I drove that car for about 2 hours, 1 hour on the highway, and than another hour back to my friends house. We had a family get together. The interior was totally identical to mine except for the message board on the dashbord. The exterior had a few modifications like the angel lights, and revised bumers. The drive and feel of both cars are totally different. The 525i was pretty powerful, but not as powerful and strong as my 528i. I noticed going up a hill took much more effort than the 528i. To go up a hill the 525i at to be at 3000rpm, while the 528i would do the job 2000rpm even better. The overall drive didn't even compare to the 528i, the 528i has that power punch that the 525i doesn't have. I test drove a 2001 BMW 530i last week, and i could compare the performance of the 528i to the 530i and nowhere close the 525i. I am not saying the 525i, doesn't have that BMW touch. The car is very powerful, and i was doing 185km on the highway easily, also didn't BMW used to use this engine for the (E34) for a long time before. I guess you would also save at the gas pumps. The 5 series is a masterpiece. Its a drivers delight ! prestige and sports performance in one car !
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Old 02-05-2005, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by natotx
I used to have a low mileage '99 528i automatic (no sport package). While a very nice car, that straight six really does not fit it. There is a discernible lack of low end power. Not that everyone would want to, but after turning traction control, you cannot do a burnout. Why you would want to in a 4 door sedan is debatable, but I do.

Is 190hp really enough for a 3600# car? But dont get me wrong, a very nice car. Just not very powerful, and that is the truth. And the 525 is going to be less powerful. But they handle great.

I currently have an 01 540ia. I realize it is a significant price difference (or can be), but I would strongly advise getting the V8. Drive all three, and see if the extra cost is worth it. For me, having the extra power and not always needing it outweighs not having the power and sometimes needing it.
The in-line 6 cylinder engines are award winning engines and are praised around the world for their durability and performance. My brother has a 540i, and i must say even though i love the power that the 540i delivers my 528i does the job without costing me more money at the pumps nor at the stealership ooooops, i meant dealership. If i were getting a V8 powered bmw, i would go for the M5. (I wish )
 

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