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Old 02-21-2005, 09:42 PM
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So, now fat people are being locked up?

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SOBBING 31-stone Chris Leppard was dragged off to a mental hospital against his will by meddling social workers and police.

Chris, 23, has been forcibly detained for a month because he cannot stop eating.

The authorities used powers normally used to detain mentally ill people who might harm themselves or others.

They locked him up despite the fact neither he nor his family wanted him to go. Last night Chris’s furious mother Anne said he has no mental problems and was winning his fight against the rare illness that compels him to eat.


TV report ... Chris on documentary last month

Chris’s case was condemned by opponents of a nanny state. They asked whether others with life-threatening addictions could be next.

Mum Anne, 49, told of the agonising moment the ambulance came to take Chris — without warning.

She said: “Four people turned up and after some questions, said they were taking him away. Chris was really upset, crying, saying he didn’t want to go and that he wasn’t mental.

“We didn’t know they were coming to take him. He is being punished for being ill. He has a physical problem. He was working well towards losing weight.


Support ... with mum Anne

“He asked social services to give him six months to prove he could lose weight. They didn't give him six days. I had stopped giving him money for food. For the first time in years we were getting somewhere. We had locked food cupboards, that was a big step.”

Chris, of Hastings, East Sussex, suffers from an incurable condition called Prader-Willi Syndrome. It means he can’t tell when his stomach is full and could eat so much that it will kill him.

East Sussex social services intervened after Chris appeared in a BBC1 documentary last month.

Anne said she asked for the six months grace to prove he could lose weight. He was already on a diet and exercising.

But the authorities shipped him off to a specialist eating disorder unit at the Eastbourne Clinic where he will be assessed for up to 28 days.

Shadow Health Minister Tim Loughton was outraged. He said: “It’s a taste of things to come if the Government’s draft Mental Health Act becomes law. It will subject people who are not strictly suffering from mental illness, to sectioning.”

Angry Libertarian Alliance spokesman Dr Sean Gabb said: “What on earth justifies the intervention of the police and compels him to have medical treatment?”

East Sussex County Council said “all proper procedures have been followed” — and such orders were “in the interests of that person’s health or safety or to protect other people”.
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Old 02-22-2005, 04:42 AM
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Nice job twisting the facts...
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The authorities used powers normally used to detain mentally ill people who might harm themselves or others.

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Watch out Nate.
Nice job twisting the facts...
What do you mean?

Isn't "forcibly detained" a nice way of saying that he is being locked up against his will?
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What do you mean?

Isn't "forcibly detained" a nice way of saying that he is being locked up against his will?
Sure. But being fat is not the issue.
How many mentally ill people agreeably get detained?
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OMG. How much does it cost to sustain this kid daily?
Using butter bought in bulk, not too much. Calories are quite cheap
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If you look at the picture with the table of food, it looks like he cleaned out the bakeries.
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How many mentally ill people agreeably get detained?

Well there was this one time at band camp
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Yeah, but how else you can get those DD cups?
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Sure. But being fat is not the issue.
How many mentally ill people agreeably get detained?

So when are these "I going to tell you how to live your life" morons going to start detaining smokers and drinkers?
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Who is next? Smokers, beer drinkers,
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OMG JEVER is doomed ... he's a beer drinker, smoker and mental poor boy has no chance
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So when are these "I going to tell you how to live your life" morons going to start detaining smokers and drinkers?
Don't know. Talk to LT.
It appears to me that the British people are not as adverse or sensitive to big brother as the Americans...
Heard insurance companies over there are already testing a black box for cars that records every car vital and associating premium rates to that.
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So when are these "I going to tell you how to live your life" morons going to start detaining smokers and drinkers?
Probably next week or a least before Bush is out of office!
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They probably figured he was insane since there's not a vehicle in Britain that can accomodate his girth now.

Somehow I think it wasn't only the disorder that was causing his problem when I read this:
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If he just started exercising after reaching 31 stone (434 lbs)... Yikes. That's going to take more than a few pushups to burn off there, dude.

Now as to whether he should be treated as "mentally ill"? I think they should have left him alone. If he doesn't want help, that's a choice he and his family should make. Now, if he were like ten years old and morbidly obese, that's another story.
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Somehow I think it wasn't only the disorder that was causing his problem when I read this:If he just started exercising after reaching 31 stone (434 lbs)... Yikes. That's going to take more than a few pushups to burn off there, dude.

Now as to whether he should be treated as "mentally ill"? I think they should have left him alone. If he doesn't want help, that's a choice he and his family should make. Now, if he were like ten years old and morbidly obese, that's another story.
My thoughts exactly! He's 23 and weighs 434 lbs, it surely took him a few years to reach that weight so my question is where was his mother then?

Locking him up is just insane, it's bad enough that he'll never get laid!

This story makes me ask some questions though. How do we look at obesity? Do we look at it as illness or maybe something else? Don't you think obese people who continue to eat without any restraints are harming themselves just like smokers or alcoholics?
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Don't you think obese people who continue to eat without any restraints are harming themselves just like smokers or alcoholics?
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Oh, my eyes, my eyes. Damn you. I hadn't noticed them till you mentioned it.
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Don't you think obese people who continue to eat without any restraints are harming themselves just like smokers or alcoholics?
Absolutely.
I agree.

But here's the problem: Someone who rides a bike and has an accident, incurring injury, hurts themselves too. Someone who develops a chronic joint problem working out at the gym hurts themselves as well.

These are examples at the opposite end of a "spectrum" from something like alcohol abuse. However they serve to make a point: People take risks in various ways that carry the possibility of harm, or even death, all the time. So a standard of "harming oneself" is really dubious as a means to justify social intervention.

Instead what it comes down to is a certain prejudice, really. Most of us find nothing distasteful about risking one's life climbing El Capitan, so we don't interfere. If a climber falls to her death, we mourn the victim, but consider them brave. However if a person wants to take risks with cigarettes we as a society seem to feel that the potential harm they risk is a justification for interfering with their free choices about themselves, basically because we don't share or admire their chosen pleasure.

It's hard to sit by and watch someone else behave in a way that we find "destructive" without forcibly interfering. Yet, that's what freedom is all about, and the more we cross that line, the closer we all come to having our own freedoms to pursue that which we enjoy but others find objectionable and/or risky prohibited.

That said, I consider any culture that measures people in "stones" to be generally insane to begin with
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I agree.

But here's the problem: Someone who rides a bike and has an accident, incurring injury, hurts themselves too. Someone who develops a chronic joint problem working out at the gym hurts themselves as well.

These are examples at the opposite end of a "spectrum" from something like alcohol abuse. However they serve to make a point: People take risks in various ways that carry the possibility of harm, or even death, all the time. So a standard of "harming oneself" is really dubious as a means to justify social intervention.

Instead what it comes down to is a certain prejudice, really. Most of us find nothing distasteful about risking one's life climbing El Capitan, so we don't interfere. If a climber falls to her death, we mourn the victim, but consider them brave. However if a person wants to take risks with cigarettes we as a society seem to feel that the potential harm they risk is a justification for interfering with their free choices about themselves, basically because we don't share or admire their chosen pleasure.

It's hard to sit by and watch someone else behave in a way that we find "destructive" without forcibly interfering. Yet, that's what freedom is all about, and the more we cross that line, the closer we all come to having our own freedoms to pursue that which we enjoy but others find objectionable and/or risky prohibited.

That said, I consider any culture that measures people in "stones" to be generally insane to begin with
We don't force people to stop drinking or smoking except in situations where it has potential to harm others. We penalize those who drink and drive and we limit smoker's when they smoke in public enclosed spaces and we tax the stuff fairly heavily but we don't force people to quit smoking or drinking.
The only possible harm from Gigantor is that he may roll over and squash lesser beings such as you or I. He seems fairly stable - probably has DSC. The risk of rollover is minimal.

The only possible corrolary I can think of to his being whisked away is our incarceration of those who take illegal drugs. Food, cigs, and alcohol are not illegal and are generally not considered abuse to the body unless taken in excess. Of course, it can be argued that any amount of cigs or alcohol is just not good for one but most reasonable peeps would admit occasional alcohol or even cigs are minimally or negligibly harmful. As food - like cigs or alcohol, is not illegal, I don't get how they can haul Humongo away.
We don't cart people away who sit at home and drink themselves to death... Should we?

I say - let him eat. Just don't sit next to him
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The only possible corrolary I can think of to his being whisked away is our incarceration of those who take illegal drugs. Food, cigs, and alcohol are not illegal and are generally not considered abuse to the body unless taken in excess. Of course, it can be argued that any amount of cigs or alcohol is just not good for one but most reasonable peeps would admit occasional alcohol or even cigs are minimally or negligibly harmful. As food - like cigs or alcohol, is not illegal, I don't get how they can haul Humongo away.
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I say - let him eat. Just don't sit next to him
I strongly suspect there is an -- ahem! -- odiferous "bubble effect" that precludes anyone from breaching a radius of about 8ft.
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