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Old 01-06-2016, 02:40 PM
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BMW cuts No Cost Scheduled Maintenance to 3 years, 36k miles and no brakes

BMW has just informed dealers that starting in Model Year (MY) 2017 the included No Cost Schedule Maintenance program will be reduced to a 3 year, 36,000 mile program. Currently BMW is offering a 4 year, 50,000 mile program with new car. Furthermore the new program staring for all 2017 vehicles no longer includes brake pads, brake rotors, wiper blades, engine belts or manual transmission clutches. As is currently the new program will also be non-transferable.

In March of 2016, right when the first round of MY 2017 vehicles go on sale, BMW will being offering new maintenance program upgrades (MPU). These MPUs will be sold by the dealership and will further enhance and extended maintenance coverage.

This is a significant reduction in ownership value, especially in the 4th year when brake replacement is likely needed. Some Model Year (MY) 2017 production starts as soon as March (BMW production chart) so if you were on the fence about buying now or waiting to get a 2017 model this is something you should consider.

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The table below outlines the covered content in both the current 4 year, 50,000 mile program and the new 3 year, 36,000 mile No Cost Schedule Maintenance program. The new program applies to new car sales with a model year 2017 or great.


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Old 01-06-2016, 03:33 PM
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Definitely not good news for customers. I am sure MY 2017 vehicles will still see usual price hikes despite the change. Basically now you get free oil and air filter changes for three years.

Interesting decision given all the marketing dollars that go into pushing the message of $0 scheduled maintenance. Better start pulling back on that messaging now...

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Old 01-06-2016, 04:09 PM
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In March of 2017, right when the first round of MY 2017 vehicles go on sale, BMW will being offering new maintenance program upgrades (MPU).
Tim,

I think you have a typo there. Don't you mean March of 2016?

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Old 01-06-2016, 04:10 PM
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I think you have a typo there. Don't you mean March of 2016?

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Old 01-06-2016, 04:17 PM
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If there is no reduction of MY17 MSRP/invoice, then the introduction of MPU will be an implicit price hikes. Maybe it is time to switch to Volvo, which has 5-year/50k(or 60k in the past) maintenance(including brakes and such) and warranty during summer sales events.

Which MY17 models will arrive March 2016?
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Old 01-06-2016, 05:21 PM
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BMW cuts No Cost Scheduled Maintance to 3 years, 36k miles and no brakes

Stinks for leasees as now brake pad and disk wear may become a concern at lease temination.

Talk about a sneaky way to incentivize lease pull aheads by telling people that if they renew their lease in a new BMW now they wont be responsible for nearly $2k of dealer brake work on a car they're about to never drive again.
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Old 01-06-2016, 05:41 PM
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I have always hit 45-50k miles on my leases and BMW has never replaced the brakes. My previous 2011 definitely needed a front brake replacement when I came in for my 45k mi service.

How much do you want to bet I'll need my brakes to be replaced on my future lease at turn in time.
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I bought a new Corvette and found out GM did a similar thing, cut free maintenance visits from 4 to 2 on 2016 models. Basically went from 4 oil changes to 2 oil changes. Not surprised BMW is doing something similar. Their biggest competitors, MB and Audi, do not include any maintenance to the best of my knowledge. Personally, I have never been able to take advantage of any free brake jobs. I guess I drive like a grandma.
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Old 01-06-2016, 06:13 PM
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Owners of BMW, Mercedes, Audi have it very good in North America. No matter how much they sell in Asia and many European countries, we never have free maintenance packages. It's all up to the customer to pony up the money for these maintenance.

It's a shame we only get 2 year warranty on BMW, Merc's and Audi's....not to mention no CCP work as no dealer will fix those for you free of charge.

One good thing about it is within 2 year unlimited mileage if your car has a problem they will fix and replace parts.

I have a friend who had a e90 325i and 23 months into ownership engine started to burn quite an amount of oil. He had around 150,000km on the engine and BMW China replaced his engine free of charge....
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Old 01-06-2016, 06:15 PM
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As for someone who mentioned brakes into 4th year lease, does BMW check, at lease return that you put in aftermarket brake disc and pads, like say with Lemforder parts?
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Which MY17 models will arrive March 2016?
BMW announced that the change will affect all vehicles with a MY of 2017 and after. Quite a few 2017 BMWs will begin production in March 2016, although I doubt that any of those will arrive in the US before early April 2016.

Which ones? All of the 2017 6-series, all of the Z cars, the new 440's. And then starting in April 2016, the 2017 X4 and the all-new 2017 X3 on the CLAR platform.
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Definitely something to factor in.

Extra cost for leases. May be cost prohibitive.
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Definitely something to factor in.

Extra cost for leases. May be cost prohibitive.

How much though? Talking just leases is it a big deal?

Whats the average mileage to change Brake Pads and Brake Discs isn't it past 36k?

Isn't the only thing to worry about wiper blades and thats negligible???
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:26 PM
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How much though? Talking just leases is it a big deal?

Whats the average mileage to change Brake Pads and Brake Discs isn't it past 36k?

Isn't the only thing to worry about wiper blades and thats negligible???
If you do 15-17k miles per year you could be in for a set of brakes. Possibly 2.
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:05 PM
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Effecting Sales Numbers

I think this will affect their overall annual sales numbers. I worked at a BMW dealer for almost 10 years and that was many customers biggest reason (4yr Maintenance) to by a BMW. Many were on the fence with other brands but went with BMW for the Maintenance.

I'm sure its costing them a lot, but they were #1 in the luxury segment again in 2015. They will see an impact of new sales due to this change, not sure quite how much, but it will change some consumers minds. Those of us die hard fans will continue to buy them, but not all. Im on my 15th BMW since 2004 and I just picked my new 24 month lease on Saturday, so Im good with full maintenance until Jan 2, 2018. We will see what I decide at that point.

Also the dealer told me when I did the paperwork, that if I transfer my lease before the end the maintenance will be voided for the next owner, the maintenance is only good if I own the car. Apparently this was a recent change mid last year. This makes it harder to buy pre-owned cars that are privately sold on here and other online sites unless its sold at a BMW dealership.
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They were #1 by about 3,000 cars, and December was down. This probably won't impact most leasers. And they will probably be able to sell some program upgrades to leasers that don't need it. I've never had to replace brakes on a BMW lease, so hopefully that trend continues. With a lot of decisions made recently, and the scarcity of slamming deals to be had, it is clear that BMW is trying to improve margins and shed some of the slamming deal notoriety. It's unfortunate of course.
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:28 PM
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i have been bmw for over 10 years, this will make me look at audi.
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I think this is a good thing. I'm realistic. I doubt anyone really believes "free maintenance" is really free. It's a cost that is passed on within the selling price.

I've leased multiple BMWs. I've only changed pads once, and that was due to warranty. That change would still be covered. I'd prefer not having to subsidize someone else's pads as maintenance.

However, I do think BMW won't pull other maintenance items in the next few years. The competition is very close this year, so they do need some competitive edge.
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The only reason I have had so many BMW's is 2 things - the drive and the deals I have gotten on all of my BMWs. Having worked for a BMW dealer for almost 10 years, my wife and I both had Employee lease deals, which were stupendous and now after having left the dealership but still working in the auto industry, Im still well connected and get great deals. If the deals were to stop, I may look at other brands for sure. But this time around, I shopped Porsche, Audi, Mercedes and BMW and my lease payment is hundreds, yes hundreds cheaper than competitive models of the other brands I looked at. So on Saturday I traded in my '14 650xi Gran Coupe and signed a 2 yr lease on a '15 750Lxi. So I'm locked in for a while and will revisit in 2 years.
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This was one of the reasons I we got BMWs, the free maintenance, makes ownership nice not to worry about it. Now, for My2018 I'll be looking else I guess...
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If you do 15-17k miles per year you could be in for a set of brakes. Possibly 2.
But if you are doing 15-17k a year u shouldn't be leasing in my opinion.....


I really do hope some these cost savings are passed down to the car's MSRP.... Lose some edge on maintenance but gain some on pricing.
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But if you are doing 15-17k a year u shouldn't be leasing in my opinion.....


I really do hope some these cost savings are passed down to the car's MSRP.... Lose some edge on maintenance but gain some on pricing.
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But if you are doing 15-17k a year u shouldn't be leasing in my opinion.....
Why, if you rolled the mileage into the new lease
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But if you are doing 15-17k a year u shouldn't be leasing in my opinion.....


I really do hope some these cost savings are passed down to the car's MSRP.... Lose some edge on maintenance but gain some on pricing.
Driving 48k over 3 years with free maintenance priced into the lease is fine. At the end of the lease just bring the high mileage car back. In most cases with a pull ahead, I am bringing the car back w 45k. If I go over, buying extra miles is still cheaper.

With limited free maintenance not so much. Makes more sense to buy used. Once we are talking buying used, BMW makes less sense.

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