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Creator 310 Reference Values - M62TU

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#1 · (Edited)
Due to the recent "interest" of the Creator 310 and how to read it I decided to pull a Bluebee and create a reference thread. This is going to be a data thread and not a "how do I interpert this" thread.
Hopefully the information is useful to everyone but the actual values will be pulled from TAB (2003 540iA Sport). As I pull the information I will update accordingly but hopefully we will also be able to post what the "true reference values" are. Please PM me with information you may have to build this, either an authoritative source or your own readings. I suspect much of the information will be "transferrable" to other engines but the specific numbers may not... This will also let me learn about how to properly read TAB through the Creator; as you can see, I have effectively flagged my own limited knowledge.
So, I will use the following key (and update information accordingly):
Entries in black will be "true reference values" from TIS, Bentley, or other authoritative source.
Entries in blue will be references from TAB.
Entries in green will be from other vehicles/members.
Entries in red are "estimates/WAG" and largely suspect.
Creator 310DisplayMeaningKP2 - offIdle no ACIdle - AC1k RPM2k RPM3k RPM4k RPM5k RPM
DriverDMEEngine IdlingStatus of Engine load0 RPMActiveActiveNot activNot activNot activNANA
Engine SpeedActual RPM069270310162065309900
Engine Speed specified by DMEWhat the DME is calculating rpm to be07007009301900210000
Idle-speed increase due to ACIf the DME is calculating rpm based on ACActiveNot activNot ActivActiveActiveActive00
Idle-speed increase due to low battery positive voltageIf the DME senses low voltage it increase engine speedNot ActiveActiveActiveActiveActiveActive00
Intake - Air TemperatureWhat the DME uses to calculate air mass, based upon sensor48.7*C38.2*C39.0*C30.7*C35.2*C42.7*C00
Coolant Temperature, engine outletWhat the coolant temp is exiting engine53.2*C108.0*C106.5*C106.5*C106.5*C109.5*C00
Coolant Temp at radiator outletWhat the coolant temp is after passing through radiator37.5*C96.7*C95.2*C97.5*C101.2*C106.5*C00
Voltage, temp sensor, engine outletActual voltage of sensor reading coolant temp exiting engine1.3V0.0V0.0V0.0V0.0V0.0V00
Voltage temp sensor radiator outletActual voltage of sensor reading coolant temp exiting radiator2.5V0.0V0.0V0.0V0.0V0.0V00
Air MassMass of air calculated going into engine through Intake0.0kg/h19.9 kg/h21.5 kg/h26.9 Kg/h47.3 kg/h77.5 kg/h00
Air Mass sensor flow sensor voltage valueWhat the actual sensor voltage is used to calculate air mass1.01V1.37V1.41V1.49V1.76V2.13V00
Power SupplyWhat the vehicle voltage (battery or alternator)12.0V13.7V13.7V13.7V13.8V13.6V00
Duty factor tank venting valueValve opening from EVAP system, see post 10 of this thread0%0%24%0%99%99%00
Injection SignalHow often the DME is signaling to inject fuel0.00 ms3.18 ms3.55 ms3.01 ms2.83 ms3.06 ms00
Inertia fuel shutoffUsed as safety feature in accidents, only active when decelerating. Validated by road test.Not ActiveNot ActivNot ActivNot activNot activNot activ00
Ignition TimingHow often the DME is signaling to fire the spark plugs0*KW12*KW14*KW26*KW46*KW48*KW00
Pedal-travel sensor, potentiometer 1How far the gas pedal is depressed (1 of 2)0.38V0.38V0.38V0.59V0.65V0.70V00
Pedal-travel sensor, potentiometer 2How far the gas pedal is depressed (2 of 2)0.74V0.74V0.74V1.15V1.27V1.38V00
Road SpeedActual Velocity of Vehicle, should match OBC test or speedo with associated errors0.0 km/h0.0 km/h0.0 km/h0.0 km/h0.0 km/h0.0 km/h00
Ignition-lock position 2Is the key in KP2OnOnOnOnOnOn00
Ignition-lock position 3Is the engine attempting to be started in KP3OffOffOffOffOffOff00
Clutch SwitchIs the clutch depressedNot adapt Not adapt Not adapt Not adapt Not adapt Not adapt Not adapt Not adapt
Brake-lightswitchIs the brake light activeNot adapt Not adapt Not adapt Not adapt Not adapt Not adapt Not adapt Not adapt
Fuel PumpStatus of fuel pumpOffOnOnOnOnOn00
Activation, fan in control-unit boxunknown0OffOffOffOffOff00
Automatic StartingConvenience starting status?0OffOffOffOffOff00
Camshaft position, bank 1advancement or retardation of camshaft0.00*cr-0.05*cr-0.02*cr3.94*cr1.36*cr13.90*cr00
Camshaft position bank 2Advancement or retardation of camshaft0.00*cr0.11*cr0.03*cr2.04*cr1.51*cr14.27*cr00
Duty Factor VANOS 1How engaged is VANOS to control power94.9%94.9%94.9%57.3%58.0%60.4%00
Duty Factor VANOS 2How engaged is VANOS to control power94.9%94.9%94.9%56.9%57.6%56.5%00
Adaptation angle 1 crankshaft sensor gear, bank 1unknown-1*cr-1*cr-1*cr-1*cr-1*cr-1*cr00
Adaptation angle 2 crankshaft sensor gear, bank 1unknown1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr00
Adaptation angle 3 crankshaft sensor gear, bank 1unknown1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr00
Adaptation angle 4 crankshaft sensor gear, bank 1unknown-1*cr-1*cr-1*cr-1*cr-1*cr-1*cr00
Adaptation angle 5 crankshaft sensor gear, bank 2unknown0*cr1*cr1*cr0*cr0*cr0*cr00
Adaptation angle 6 crankshaft sensor gear, bank 2unknown1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr00
Adaptation angle 7 crankshaft sensor gear, bank 2unknown1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr1*cr00
Adaptation angle 8 crankshaft sensor gear, bank 2unknown0*cr0*cr0*cr0*cr0*cr0*cr00
Transmission RangeGear SelectedP/NP/NP/NP/NP/NP/N00
Enable signal for AC compressorShould AC compressor be onOffOffOnOnOnOn00
A/C-compressor requestHas AC been selected on the IKHAOnOffOnOnOnOn00
Tank ventilation during high loadunknownNot activeNot activNot activNot activNot activNot activ00
Tank leak diagnostic pumpIs fuel tank emissions pump working?Not activeNot activ Not activ Not activNot activNot activ00
Reed contact, Tank leak diagnostic pumpIs fuel tank emissions pump working?Not activeNot activ Not activ Not activNot activNot activ00
Secondary air valveIs SAS engaged?Not active Not activ Not activ Not activNot activNot activ00
Map coolingIs DME controlling thermostatNot active Not activ Not activ Not activNot activNot activ00
Oxygen sensor before cat converter bank 1 ready for operationIs O2 sensor ready and operationalNoYesYesYesYesYes00
Oxygen sensor before cat converter bank 2 ready for operationIs O2 sensor ready and operationalNoYesYesYesYesYes00
Oxygen sensor control bank 1Is O2 sensor ready and operationalOffOnOnOnOnOn00
Oxygen sensor control bank 2Is O2 sensor ready and operationalOffOnOnOnOnOn00
Oxygen sensor voltage before cat bank 1Actual voltage of O2 sensor0.45VOscillating between 0.2 - 0.8 V per Bentley 130-72
Oxygen sensor voltage before cat bank 2Actual voltage of O2 sensor0.45VOscillating between 0.2 - 0.8 V per Bentley 130-72
Activation pause oxygen sensor heater before cat conv bank 1Is system in closed or open loop?0 s0 s0 s0 s0 s0 s00
Activation pause oxygen sensor heater before cat conv bank 2Is system in closed or open loop?0 s0 s0 s0 s0 s0 s00
Output stage sensor heater before cat bank 1Is the O2 sensor heater active?Not activeActiveNot ActivNot ActivActiveActive00
Output stage sensor heater before cat bank 2Is the O2 sensor heater active?Not activeActiveActiveActiveActiveActive00
Normalized heat output oxygen sensor before cat conv bank 1Operating temp?01111100
Normalized heat output oxygen sensor before cat conv bank 2Operating temp?01111100
Period duration oxygen sensor before cat conv bank 1Time of oscillations0 s3 s4 s2 s1 s1 s00
Period duration oxygen sensor before cat conv bank 2Time of oscillations0 s2 s2 s1 s1 s1 s00
Additive mixture adaptation (idle) bank 1Short term fuel trim at idle-1 ms-1 ms-1 ms-1 ms-1 ms-1 ms00
Additive mixture adaptation (idle) bank 2Short term fuel trim at idle-1 ms0 ms0 ms0 ms0 ms0 ms00
Multiplicative mixture adaptation (part load) bank 1Long term fuel trim7 %6%6%6%6%6%00
Multiplicative mixture adaptation (part load) bank 2Long term fuel trim4%3%3%4%4%4%00
Oxygen senor after cat conv bank 1: Ready for operationEmissions test ready?NoYesYesYesYesYes00
Oxygen senor after cat conv bank 2: Ready for operationEmissions test ready?NoYesYesYesYesYes00
Output stage sensor heater after cat bank 1Heating element on?Not activActiveActiveNot activActiveActive00
Output stage sensor heater after cat bank 2Heating element on?Not activActiveActiveActiveNot activActive00
Oxygen sensor voltage after cat bank 1Actual voltage of O2 sensor0.45 V0.61 V0.11 V0.62 V0.53 V0.26 V00
Oxygen sensor voltage after cat bank 2Actual voltage of O2 sensor0.45 V0.59 V0.34 V0.53 V0.35 V0.48 V00
Normalized heat output oxygen sensor after cat conv bank 1Is the heating element on?01111100
Normalized heat output oxygen sensor after cat conv bank 2Is the heating element on?01111100
Throttle valve positionHow open is the throttle2.0%2.4%2.4%3.1%5.5%9.0%00
Voltage throttle potentiometer 1actual voltage of sensor 10.60V0.62V0.63V0.66V0.73V0.88V00
Voltage throttle potentiometer 2actual voltage of sensor 14.38V4.37V4.36V4.33V4.25V4.10V00
Duty factor electric fanhow much is the electric fan turned on0%53%59%59%71%84%00
Engine torqueload?68%7%9%10%9%10%00
Oxygen sensor controller 1unknown10 - 1110100
Oxygen sensor controller 2unknown10 - 1010000
Full loadunknownNot activNot activNot activNot activNot activNot activ00
EWS OKis the EWS functioningYesYesYesYesYesYes00
Aver rough running cylinder 1misfires per second0.00 1/s0.12 1/s0.02 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s00
Aver rough running cylinder 2misfires per second0.00 1/s0.01 1/s0.01 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s00
Aver rough running cylinder 3misfires per second0.00 1/s-0.13 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s00
Aver rough running cylinder 4misfires per second0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s00
Aver rough running cylinder 5misfires per second0.00 1/s-0.07 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s00
Aver rough running cylinder 6misfires per second0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s00
Aver rough running cylinder 7misfires per second0.00 1/s0.14 1/s0.10 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s00
Aver rough running cylinder 8misfires per second0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s0.00 1/s00
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EGSSelector level settingunknown- - ---------------
Selector level L1unknownTerm. 15Term. 15Term. 1500000
Selector level L2unknownTerm. 15Term. 15Term. 1500000
Selector level L3unknownOpenOpenOpen00000
Selector level L4unknownTerm. 15Term. 15Term. 1500000
Gearbox programManual or automaticAAA00000
Program Selector switch AunknownTerm. 31Term. 31Term. 3100000
Program Selector switch S/MunknownTerm. 31Term. 31Term. 3100000
Accelerator pedal positionhow far is accelerator depressed0%0%0%00000
KickdownIs kickdown switch activatedNot activNot activNot activ00000
Brake Pedalare brakes appliedNot activNot activNot Activ00000
CorneringGoing through a turnNot DetecNot DetecNot Detec00000
ASC/DSC buttonIs asc/dsc allowed to operateSwitchedSwitchedSwitched00000
ASC/DSC controllingIs asc/dsc adjusting because of activationNoNoNo00000
Wheel Speed front leftdetermined speed of wheel16 rpm16 rpm16 rpm00000
Wheel Speed front rightdetermined speed of wheel16 rpm16 rpm16 rpm00000
Wheel Speed rear leftdetermined speed of wheel16 rpm16 rpm16 rpm00000
Wheel Speed rear rightdetermined speed of wheel16 rpm16 rpm16 rpm00000
Power supplyvoltage provided by battery/alternator12.3 V14.0V14.0V00000
ATF Temptemperature of trans fluid43*C90*C90*C00000
Engine Temptemperature of coolant52*C106*C106*C00000
Output speedoutput to drive train0 rpm0 rpm0 rpm00000
Turbocharger speednot applicable?0 rpm672 rpm672 rpm00000
Engine speed0 rpm672 rpm672 rpm00000
Gearbox ratiocurrent gear4th1st1st00000
Solenoid valve 1valve statusOffOnOn00000
Solenoid valve 2valve statusOffOffOff00000
Solenoid valve 3valve statusOffOnOn00000
Pressure actuator 1unknown156 mA746 mA746 mA00000
Pressure actuator 2unknown156 mA780 mA780 mA00000
Pressure actuator 3unknown156 mA780 mA780 mA00000
Pressure actuator 4 (convertor lockup clutch)unknown156 mA156 mA156 mA00000
Pressure actuator 5unknown156 mA780 mA780 mA00000
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ChasisWheeel speed front leftmeasured speed of wheel1 km/h1 km/h1 km/h----------
Wheel speed front rightmeasured speed of wheel1 km/h1 km/h 1 km/h 00000
Wheel speed rear leftmeasured speed of wheel1 km/h1 km/h 1 km/h 00000
Wheel speed rear rightmeasured speed of wheel1 km/h1 km/h 1 km/h 00000
Brake pressureunknown-2 bar-2 bar-2 bar00000
steering anglesteering angle sensor output-10741052105200000
R*/se on rateunknown-0-0-000000
Rotation Rate sensitivityunknown==== %========00000
Transversal accelerationunknown==== m/S2========00000
System Voltageunknown==== V========00000
Brake light switchunknown============00000
Parking brakeapplied============00000
Button HDCunknown============00000
Button DSCunknown============00000
 
#4 ·
If you would take some readings of the various elements and provide them (pm or post) so I may add to the table. Some of the elements relate to the manual (three pedal) versions. I won't be able to get those from TAB. Additionally (as I am putting out the wish list) if you have better explanations or reference values for the elements, I can add that to the table as well. On my to do is going through Bentley and adding any reference values (what they "should be").
 
#8 ·
I have info up to 3k RPM. I think I am going to wait on the 4 & 5k until a) I get another "break" and can run with hood open, b) I refresh my cooling system, c) I am on a stretch of HWY and can set "cruise", or d) some combination of the above (but not a & c). Did the last three tests sequentially and notice the coolant temp... went for a drive to cool it down but was definitely generating some heat.

Also, I am going to adjust the EGS table as it is mainly dependent on gear selection and/or movement vice engine speed. I will figure that out at some point.
 
#11 ·
Don't know how you are able to accomplish all this, but it sure is great to have some references for reading Creator. Hope the admin can pin this someplace for easy access.

THANKS!!!

Jim
My pleasure! It is also helping me out so def win/win. For the non-idle I put a block on the accelerator and weighted it until near the desired rpms. Felt like if I breathed to hard it would change so hard to get exactly there. But probably close enough for our purposes.

Will be making further changes to the table as well as I am learning and obtaining info (e.g. O2 voltages should be oscillating between 0.1-0.9). Thanks for the duty factor tank venting info!
 
#10 · (Edited)
Duty factor tank venting value

Apparatus for venting a fuel tank
United States Patent 4683861 Robert Bosch GmbH

Abstract:
An apparatus is disclosed for venting a fuel tank of internal combustion engines or the like, wherein fuel vapors developing in the tank are received in an intermediate storage unit containing an activated carbon filter and are delivered to the induction area of the engine in dependence upon operating conditions. The delivery is accomplished by an electrically controlled tank venting valve having a pass-through opening the cross section of which is continuously changed. This is achieved by changing the pulse duty factor of the drive pulse train for this valve. The pulse duty factor may be determined in the sense of a pure control using a family of characteristic fields in dependence on rotational speed and load of the engine, or by taking into account preferably averaged Lambda values with a reduction in the cross section of the pass-through opening of the tank vent valve as the mixture becomes richer. Further, an adaptive anticipatory control is provided which enters into the calculation of the fuel quantity to be supplied or of the fuel injection signal with a correction value (ATE) and switches over to a limit control when predetermined mixture proportions are reached. The basic adaptation in the Lambda control system for calculating the fuel supply is released only if the fuel quantities originating from tank venting are negligible.
 
#13 ·
ok tab your car will go down in history as the bench mark for all other bmws.. great table...
adding Inertia fuel shutoff-- to cut fuel in case of accident - safety feature like the explosive pack on battery.
 
#17 ·
the nt510 from foxwell, will do it..

schwaben bmw scan tool is the nt510, its just not pre loaded and it doesnt come with the pretty little carry case,

I bought the schwaben only to find out i could have saved 100$ if i had just bought the nt510

foxwell makes good scanners, and its a hell of a lot faster then the old creator,

I still carry the creator in the trunk of the 540, but the foxwell is the go to for communication and stuff now

there is no need for inpa or the admin level scan tool's unless your seeking something specific


Sorry to hear about tab,

Im trying to pull the 540 off the road, and just put in under a cover in the drive way for a few years..... There is nothing wrong with it, its acutally doing really good... but i want to keep it that way at 282k

feel like it will be really cool to drive around in ten years,
 
#18 ·
Same experience on the Schwaben vs Foxwell. I can jump the pins on the 32-pin but find that confuses most readers on data. So other than generic engine codes, most of the hand helds are worthless on the Battlestar.

I am down to one more emissions test in VA then considered a classic and only safety is a concern.


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#20 ·
It’s the M73N Bosch 5.2.1

Had to tear it apart as I had bother a vacuum leak on the manifold and the injectors…
Yes, the fuel injectors on the M73N have vacuum assist…
Deleted that and went with standard injectors.
And instead of going with the $800 intake gaskets I went with another option causing the CVVs to misalign. Solved that with some caliper guide pin boots…

We should probably take this over to the Thread About Nothing…


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#25 ·
Sorry but have nothing for you… that looks like it is reporting the lambda values and changes to trims.
It could be several things:
1: sampling rate (but shouldn’t be exceeding 1)
2: creator is actually looking for the modern sensors (newer O2s go for the slope vs the voltage)
3: ???

Maybe some people will know more in the E90 forum(s)?


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#26 ·
So apparently there are 2 measurements of lambda. Narrow band and wide band. The wide band is the one common in you tube. The one in the blue driver chart. The up down up up down values. The one in this creator 310+ is a narrow band. 1 is the center value. Greater than one is lean and lesser than one is rich. Saw this on other forum not sure if I can post another forum link.

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