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BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 04-20-2005, 05:06 AM
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After market brake pads.

I really like the outstanding brakes on my 5-Series, but I've had it with the noise and the never ending dust. Does anyone have any suggestions regarding replacing O.E.M's with some good after-market pads, perhaps ceramics? Thanks!
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Old 04-20-2005, 08:54 AM
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Go no further than Mr. Dave Zeckhausen:

www.zeckhausen.com

Ask him for the Axxis Deluxe+ pads and you'll be all set. I have Axxis front brake pads and I love them!

Tell him Agent99 sent you his way. Dave is a great guy! He is also not terribly far from you (Maplewood, NJ) and it is worth it to visit him in person with some fancy beer and you'll get premium service!
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Old 04-20-2005, 09:47 AM
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Agreed....I just replaced my front brakes, new rotors and new pads...I installed the Axxis Deluxe...and LOVE IT.

Will never go back to stock again! My rims after 2 weeks still look relatively OK....ALOT better than stock. Huge difference. You wont be dissapointed.
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Go no further than Mr. Dave Zeckhausen:

www.zeckhausen.com

Ask him for the Axxis Deluxe+ pads and you'll be all set. I have Axxis front brake pads and I love them!

Tell him Agent99 sent you his way. Dave is a great guy! He is also not terribly far from you (Maplewood, NJ) and it is worth it to visit him in person with some fancy beer and you'll get premium service!
Hey Agent, I seem to remember our 545's didn't have that much brake dust on them after 1200 miles. Maybe it was the rains that washed it off.
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Old 04-20-2005, 10:36 AM
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True...we were talking about that. I guess we'll see when they arrive. Have you noticed if many E60s have dirty looking wheels?
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Old 04-20-2005, 10:45 AM
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Will have to agree re: the assessment on Axxis+ brake pads. They are kick-ass. I've had them on for well over a year with no problems.
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Old 04-21-2005, 08:54 PM
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Exclamation My e60 530i with never ending brake dust!

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True...we were talking about that. I guess we'll see when they arrive. Have you noticed if many E60s have dirty looking wheels?


My e60 530i with never ending brake dust, and I need some new brake pads like you guys are talking about, but every place I try say they do not make them for the e60 yet.

As soon as the make them for my 530i e60, I will buy a set quickly! I am sick and tired of cleaning my BMW OEM Style #71 rims on a daily basis, and I refuse to use the Kleen wheels like I once did, (I got tired of seeing the pie plates instead of my rotors, that I now use the Kleen wheels pie plates for freebies! jk LOL)

I welcome any links you might have for your dustless brake pads.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 04-22-2005, 06:36 AM
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One would assume the engineering giants at BMW could come up with a solution to such a simple problem. After all, they brought us iDRIVE, and a myriad of electronic/digital whizzbangs to absolutely dazzle and amaze us. WHY NOT FREAKIN" GOOD BRAKES WITH DUSTLESS PADS?
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Old 04-22-2005, 07:02 AM
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Exclamation LOL, Good Point, you know I bet 100% of all Bimmer owners agree ...

Hi niktee:


About you last post about BMW brakes! LOL, Good Point, you know I bet 100% of all Bimmer owners agree with you on the extra excessive Brake dust, and why BMW does not choose to do something about it first, (before the iDrive and all its wonders BMW has done just in the last couple of years), and before all the wonders that Mr. Chris Bangle and his BMW design team does to perfect this well oiled machine (The e60!)!

One would think Chris and his staff would make this one of their priorities to get this age old excessive brake dust issue fixed once and for all!

In conclusion: Even when my e60 gets dirty from a little rain, after the award winning E39, I get more complements on my new e60 530i body style design, all but the same old excessive brake dust on my new 71 rims, and then they laugh a little, saying some things will never change at BMW, huh?

Sincerely,

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Old 04-22-2005, 09:39 AM
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Sorry, I failed to notice that you had an E60 (yes, I know you posted in the E60 forum so I guess even I am still getting used to the split! ). Keep pounding on Dave to see what he finds. If anyone can find a good brand of dustless pads for the E60, Dave is the guy!
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Old 05-25-2005, 06:56 AM
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I have a 2000 528i E39. I have had continuous brake rotors and brake pad problems. I the rotors continuouly warp. I now have Brembo Rotors and Axxis Deluxe semi-metallic pads. The rotors warped again within 30 days, and the pads have the most horrible sound that I have ever heard when coming to a stop. Sounds like a big truck. I am going back to the original BMW rotors and pads.
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Old 05-25-2005, 06:59 AM
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One would assume the engineering giants at BMW could come up with a solution to such a simple problem. After all, they brought us iDRIVE, and a myriad of electronic/digital whizzbangs to absolutely dazzle and amaze us. WHY NOT FREAKIN" GOOD BRAKES WITH DUSTLESS PADS?
Because there is no such thing.

The Axxis Deluxe Plus severely compromises heat resistance and braking torque in exchange for dust free operation. I'm willing to make this sacrifice on the street, but the Deluxe+ would disintegrate inside a couple laps on the tracks, and can't even withstand aggressive driving in the twisties.
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Old 05-25-2005, 09:21 AM
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The Axxis Deluxe Plus severely compromises heat resistance and braking torque in exchange for dust free operation. I'm willing to make this sacrifice on the street, but the Deluxe+ would disintegrate inside a couple laps on the tracks, and can't even withstand aggressive driving in the twisties.
The Axxis Deluxe Plus is not a track pad. To take it out on hot laps and subject it to 1200 degrees would result in fading and severe pad deposition. Why even mention the performance under such conditions? It holds up just fine on the street.

The Deluxe Plus has slightly less cold bite than stock. Although this is mitigated by doing a good bedding session and many people report better than OEM cold bite but that's probably because they never knew to bed in their stock pads so it's not really a fair comparison.

Paraphrasing from Dave Z.:
I have well over 1,000 sets of Axxis Deluxe Plus pads out there, including on the E46 M3, E39 M5 and even the Z8. The universal response is that they love it. Very low dust. OEM level performance.

Finally, the good news. The Axxis Deluxe Plus is now available for the front of the E60 530i and 545i. Still nothing for the rear, but it's a start. Contact Dave Z. if you want a set! I already placed my order with him.

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Agent: You are saying what I was thinking. I love my Axxis pads. I never had any delusions of taking them out on the track. They've worked great with both regular and panic stops. My rims look great, even after a couple weeks of driving. Now if I could just keep myself from freakin' scraping them along the sidewalk
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Agent: You are saying what I was thinking. I love my Axxis pads. I never had any delusions of taking them out on the track. They've worked great with both regular and panic stops. My rims look great, even after a couple weeks of driving. Now if I could just keep myself from freakin' scraping them along the sidewalk
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The Axxis Deluxe Plus is not a track pad. To take it out on hot laps and subject it to 1200 degrees would result in fading and severe pad deposition. Why even mention the performance under such conditions? It holds up just fine on the street.

The Deluxe Plus has slightly less cold bite than stock. Although this is mitigated by doing a good bedding session and many people report better than OEM cold bite but that's probably because they never knew to bed in their stock pads so it's not really a fair comparison.

Paraphrasing from Dave Z.:
I have well over 1,000 sets of Axxis Deluxe Plus pads out there, including on the E46 M3, E39 M5 and even the Z8. The universal response is that they love it. Very low dust. OEM level performance.

Finally, the good news. The Axxis Deluxe Plus is now available for the front of the E60 530i and 545i. Still nothing for the rear, but it's a start. Contact Dave Z. if you want a set! I already placed my order with him.

1) He wanted a BMW pad like the Deluxe Plus. Not really possible.
2) People do take them out on the track. They learn very quickly just how dumb this is, but that doesn't mean they won't.
3) It's not hard to fade them out on the street.
4) Normal operating bite isn't as good as stock.

My experience with the Deluxe Plus is that it gives significantly lower brake torque, significantly lower fade resistance, and significantly lower dust than OEM. I run them on my M3 because I'm willing to accept that compromise, but I also have strong objections to people spreading the illusion that they are as good as the stock pads. They aren't.
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...but I also have strong objections to people spreading the illusion that they are as good as the stock pads. They aren't.
Well, we could try and take a poll and see what people's opinions are on how well the Axxis D+ pads compare to stock pads.

I also have strong objections to people spreading the illusion that they aren't as good as the stock pads. They are.

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Well, we could try and take a poll and see what people's opinions are on how well the Axxis D+ pads compare to stock pads.

I also have strong objections to people spreading the illusion that they aren't as good as the stock pads. They are.

I, personally like mine much better than stock. I do not track my car, but those of you on here who've met me know I am an enthusiastic driver! I wouldn't trade my Axxis Deluxe for the stock pads ever!
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Well, we could try and take a poll and see what people's opinions are how well the Axxis D+ pads compare to stock pads.

I also have strong objections to people spreading the illusion that they aren't as good as the stock pads. They are.

I've had the Axxis Deluxe brake pads on my 2000 540 for about two years:

* Dust - 80%+ less dust than stock
* Bite - not as good as stock, but something you easily learn to
compensate for with a bit more brake pedal - it is definitely
disconcerting at first, but you get used to it - I actually like it
* No squeal/noise/whatever
* No "warping"
* No issue with fade in aggressive street situations (i.e. one big brake
every minute or so)

The only time I had fade in my brakes was with the original pads (one occurrence). I have had subsequent high-speed braking situations with no noticeable issues.

I highly recommend these pads. Should they be billed as "exactly the same as OE pads"? Probably not, but that isn't what was said. Agent99 quoted DaveZ as "OEM level performance" and I agree with that statement.

BTW, if you take your car on the track with road pads/tires you are asking for trouble. Get track pads and a separate set of wheels/tires. We shouldn't hold back product recommendations because that product could be misused by the ill-informed.


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Very nice wheels, but they must be a PITA to clean.

These's are BWM stock wheels ?
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Well, we could try and take a poll and see what people's opinions are on how well the Axxis D+ pads compare to stock pads.

I also have strong objections to people spreading the illusion that they aren't as good as the stock pads. They are.

OK, how are they as good as stock pads?

Fade resistance is much less.
Brake torque is less.
Cold bite is less.

I fail to see how you can claim that they are equal to the OEM pads. I have no objection to people using them, and I use them myself, but I can't understand why you want to perpetuate the delusion that you aren't giving something up in exchange for low dusting.
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BMW brake dust is a function of a TUV requirement for graphite content, and can, and most likely is, independent of performance; i.e. dust doen't equal good performance. In fact, graphite can and is used as a lubricant so its presence or absence can't possibly be a singular measure of performance in any way.
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