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Old 04-26-2005, 01:37 AM
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Making my M3 FASTER?

I have a 2005 M3 SMG and love it!
Money is low to spend on it (aprox. $2000.00). But wish to make it faster and keep my warranty happy.

1) What mods are there for an 05 M3 SMG?

2) Whats the best Cold Air intake?

3) Is a new exhaust an Option?
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Old 04-26-2005, 03:20 AM
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BEST mod for that car, is get some GOOD driver training.

Jim Russell, Derek Daly, Bondurant, Skip Barber, Roos Racing, etc. Or BMW Performance Center 1 or 2 day Car Control, or M School.

You will get more out of the car by tuning the driver than you can get by hardware mods.
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Old 04-26-2005, 08:16 AM
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Unfortunately, a CAI will only give you a ridiculous ricer sound, and most probably you will not feel the difference at all...I agree that the car is some what slow.. and you get easily comfortable with the power in no time..But the car is fun to drive..hense "The Ultimate Driving Machine". I say BMW got real close to that with the E46 M..
Regardless, you can only waste so much money on bolt-ons before you blow the motor up.. And really, the best, easiest, and cheaper way to go about making it faster, would be to rip out everything you just spent a pretty $ on...I.E. nice leather seats, crappy flat tire kit in the trunk, radio, hood and trunk(replaced with CF), carpet, console, armrest..etc...

I agree with Pinecone..get it out on the track...You'll like it even more..
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I have a 2005 M3 SMG and love it!
Money is low to spend on it (aprox. $2000.00). But wish to make it faster and keep my warranty happy.
add as much lightness as you can
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Old 04-26-2005, 09:09 AM
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I agree that the car is some what slow..
Spend more time in a sub 200HP car!


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.. and you get easily comfortable with the power in no time.
I think that's the reason we see so many M3s (the e36 and e46 variety) wadded up. You can't get 'comfortable' with high HP cars.
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Old 04-26-2005, 09:17 AM
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Anyone who thinks that the e46 M3 is a little slow is down right crazy. Think back to when 200 hp was a high as it came, the good old days, wish I'd seen 'em. Drivers school would be the best bet, that and a manual.


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Old 04-26-2005, 09:27 AM
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Well, I can see the 'slow' point of view if all one is doing is driving in a straight line... whoohoo!

Add the element of turns, and yeah, the M3 becomes quite a capable car and yes, excelling at driving schools is the only way to learn to make that car come alive. Everyone else who looks at 0-60 times for that car is simply kidding themselves.
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I dont think its slow I just want it to be faster, for the track use.
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Well... I will go to a couple of different classes and try to make my car lighter (carbonFIBER: hood, trunk...Interior trim?)

But still curious about what would be the best Cold air intake (even if I don’t feel a difference, it should help my engine...I think?)

And would a under pulley kit be worth the effort? It’s a Stock 2005 M3 SMG.

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Anyone who thinks that the e46 M3 is a little slow is down right crazy. Think back to when 200 hp was a high as it came, the good old days, wish I'd seen 'em. Drivers school would be the best bet, that and a manual.


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It is slow. Getting wasted at the track by 'vettes, Turbos, and Ferraris is frustrating. I get held up in the corners and then wasted in the passing zones. No good.
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Old 04-26-2005, 12:34 PM
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Oh c'mon, you're comparing an I-6 to V-8s and Turbos?! The solution with those guys is easy... intimidation on the corners til they get it. Hell, why do you think they buy those cars in the first place.
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Oh c'mon, you're comparing an I-6 to V-8s and Turbos?! The solution with those guys is easy... intimidation on the corners til they get it. Hell, why do you think they buy those cars in the first place.
Sometimes intimidation doesn't work. And sometimes their car control so bad that I'm intimidated BEHIND them.

...and a couple of times, I've pitted and gotten folks black flagged for unbelievably poor driving.
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Old 04-26-2005, 03:52 PM
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Spend more time in a sub 200HP car!
Rather not..




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I think that's the reason we see so many M3s (the e36 and e46 variety) wadded up. You can't get 'comfortable' with high HP cars.
We're only talking about 333 at the crank..And then add the weight..Come rear wheel...there really isn't that much to work with..Fact is, is that the car lacks the TQ to haul it's heavy ass around...And why you're seeing people "wadding up" these cars, is because of the lack of knowledge and respect of high speed driving, not because of the HP..Not to mention that they're doing it on streets and not on a more practicle place..I.E. the nearest track..

As for the "comfortable" statement...It's the car that does that..It makes handling the whole 333 very predictable, and very easy to recover when things get a little out of shape through corners...
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Old 04-26-2005, 04:21 PM
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We're only talking about 333 at the crank..
Um... yeah... only 333.

If 'only' is to an M3 with it's 333hp, then 'ok' is to what... a 400hp car? That would make, 'better than ok'... a 500hp car? Get real. People who 'need' such high HP cars should, like I said, spend more time in a sub 200hp car. Who's sig said, "If you can't go fast with 90hp, 900 isn't going to do you any good"?
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Old 04-26-2005, 04:29 PM
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Who's sig said, "If you can't go fast with 90hp, 900 isn't going to do you any good"?
Roadstergal. Of course her car only makes what, 100hp on a good day with tail wind?
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I dont think its slow I just want it to be faster, for the track use.
On the track, it's the driver that limit the speed of the car, not the car itself. Especially for beginning drivers. Start looking for more power and speed when you're an A or B student.

Trust me, when I had my 323Ci I was passing M3s and M5s AT WILL. That car only made 170 hp. You can try and make your M3 go faster mechanically, but you will still get your @ss handed to you day-in, day-out by a good driver.
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Old 04-26-2005, 04:48 PM
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I dont think its slow I just want it to be faster, for the track use.
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Well... I will go to a couple of different classes and try to make my car lighter (carbonFIBER: hood, trunk...Interior trim?)

But still curious about what would be the best Cold air intake (even if I don't feel a difference, it should help my engine...I think?)

And would a under pulley kit be worth the effort? It's a Stock 2005 M3 SMG.
Trust me, the car is WAY faster than you can drive it. And it will be for a while. And then, for track speed you need brakes and tires, not HP. Then suspension, still not HP.

Spend time on the track first, then as you get to the limits of the car, then you will know what needs to be fixed and the order to fix it.

And guess what, cars with about 100 HP can leave you in the dust when driven properly.

Let's see, the E46 M3 runs T2 in SCCA, pretty much stock with R comp tires. VIR lap record for T2 is 2:13.855. The BMW E36 325 runs in ITS with more suspension mods, gutted interior, but pretty much stock engine, lap record is2:14.247, on less than 200 HP. I race Spec Racer Ford, purpose built race car, but with a whole 105 HP. Lap record at VIR is 2:14.211. How abou tthe BIG boys, SPO, cars like NASCAR road race chassis cars, tube frames, minimal body panels, pretty much all out racers, some 500 HP, 1:59.876. Hmm, get the picture, power is the least important thing.

Since no CAI adds significant power, and any such mod will void your engine warranty, why bother?
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I know one person that ran full slicks at Infineon and this highly experienced club racer was astonished as to how amazingly fast the car was... with yes... only 333hp.
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Trust me, the car is WAY faster than you can drive it. And it will be for a while. And then, for track speed you need brakes and tires, not HP. Then suspension, still not HP.

Spend time on the track first, then as you get to the limits of the car, then you will know what needs to be fixed and the order to fix it.

And guess what, cars with about 100 HP can leave you in the dust when driven properly.
Granted a good driver will always prevail over a bad driver, also I’m not claiming to be an autox champion here…but I do know my car and how to drive it.

I guess I now REGRET getting a Stock M3, I should have gotten an M3 CSL or GTR Street version.

Since everybody keeps their M3 Stock (I guess every modified M3 at bimmerfest was a fake), does anybody know where I can buy CSL parts or GTR for a ’05 M3 SMG

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Granted a good driver will always prevail over a bad driver, also I’m not claiming to be an autox champion here…but I do know my car and how to drive it.

I guess I now REGRET getting a Stock M3, I should have gotten an M3 CSL or GTR Street version.

Since everybody keep their M3 Stock (I guess every modified M3 at bimmerfest was a fake), does anybody know where I can buy CSL parts or GTR for a ’05 M3 SMG
Isn't Camarillo in CA? How would you have gotten the CSL? And the GTR?
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Granted a good driver will always prevail over a bad driver, also I’m not claiming to be an autox champion here…but I do know my car and how to drive it.
What does "know my car and how to drive it" mean?

How many fahrschule have you attended?

If the driver lags behind the car, what is the point of keep raising the bar of the performance potential of the M3?
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Granted a good driver will always prevail over a bad driver, also I’m not claiming to be an autox champion here…but I do know my car and how to drive it.

I guess I now REGRET getting a Stock M3, I should have gotten an M3 CSL or GTR Street version.

Since everybody keeps their M3 Stock (I guess every modified M3 at bimmerfest was a fake), does anybody know where I can buy CSL parts or GTR for a ’05 M3 SMG


No one is trying to say keep it 100% stock.

I've seen lots of students in 'fast cars' at HPDEs get their asses handed to them by lower hp cars. I've also seen lots of students in 'fast cars' driving reasonablly well but put them in a lower hp car, they would not be doing so well. In other words, upgrade the driver before upgrading the car.
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Isn't Camarillo in CA? How would you have gotten the CSL? And the GTR?
Last time I checked yep Camarillo is in CALIFORNIA. And they are called Boats or should I say shipping vessels... Now have I check if I can import one...NO, but who is to say it cant be done? Apologies for the GTR… a little overboard, forgetAboutIT.

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No one is trying to say keep it 100% stock.

I've seen lots of students in 'fast cars' at HPDEs get their asses handed to them by lower hp cars. I've also seen lots of students in 'fast cars' driving reasonablly well but put them in a lower hp car, they would not be doing so well. In other words, upgrade the driver before upgrading the car.
I apologies for giving the wrong intentions, my goal is not to beat every car on the track…if any at all, I don’t care if a Honda kills me…I don’t care for bragging rights. I just would like to see my car have more pull than stock…I guess more torque? Improved throttle response? That’s all.

I love my BMW, so everyone that gots one…Tell me…On those times when you have pushed the limits (don’t care where!) ever felt the need for more speed (of course more road too) even if its just a little bit more.

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What does "know my car and how to drive it" mean?

How many fahrschule have you attended?
Granted I must attend driving school (take offs, turns…whatever) remember there is street knowledge and Book knowledge. Not to say ones better than the other just that I don’t need to attend your fahrschule to know how to drive a car, learn something new YES learn a whole different way of doing something WHY NOT or just to fine tune it. Take a step back and look at my intensions.

OVERALL (this question is for actual M3 Owners that have modified their cars)
From the mods that have been installed, are their any regrets? Your opinion is appreciated.


Sorry late for dinner…will continue soon

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Old 04-26-2005, 08:25 PM
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My car's suspension was bone stock (and it's not even an M) and it wasn't til I made instructor rank that I modded it.

Now, you might not be as patient... but if I were to do any mods to an M3, perhaps I'd start with the suspension. Not sure though, since I don't need one, yet!
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I know one person that ran full slicks at Infineon and this highly experienced club racer was astonished as to how amazingly fast the car was... with yes... only 333hp.
So an experienced driver, couldn't pull faster times with a faster car???

So when was the last time you smoked down the LS7(or LS6 for that matter), whether straight or laps??

Most people are too scared to touch the motor, so you have to find other places to make the car fast..ripping s?$% out, brakes, suspension upgrades, and tires...
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