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Old 04-28-2005, 09:39 PM
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the thing about doing mods to your car is, that no matter how much money you throuw at it you keep wanting more! ......besides, it's your car and it should look and feel like your car, not like every other on the road......
wbmwf1 thank you for the info, much appreciated.
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Old 04-29-2005, 02:49 AM
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Read AGAIN the numbers from tuners who actually dyno their engines, and KNOW BMW engines. The full Dinan S2 kit doesn't do 40HP IIRC. Guesstimates like that are ricer HP, you know if an exhaust gives 5HP, and an intake gives 8HP, and this gives x, and that gives y, add them all up and multiply by some fudge factor and delude yourself. They don't work that way.

It just isn't going to happen with bolt ones.

And even if it did, that is barely a 10% increase in power, for THOUSANDS of dollars.

And for road courses, it won't lower your lap time by any margin.
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BTW if you didn't know, when NASCAR goes to road courses, they hire road race specialists. And the "normal" NASCAR drivers take schools at those tracks to learn the tricks of raod racing and to re familiarize themselves with those specific tracks.

So DEjr, ALREADY knows that for a road course, the answer it to take some training.
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Old 04-29-2005, 04:58 AM
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Guesstimates like that are ricer HP, you know if an exhaust gives 5HP, and an intake gives 8HP, and this gives x, and that gives y, add them all up and multiply by some fudge factor and delude yourself.
LOL! I modded the heck out of my 91 Eagle Talon which being turbo charged lended itself to lots of gain for little $. I spent thousands of $'s on my 2000 323i and got squat in actual power. Now, I won't bother spending a nickel on my M3... because I'm tired of all pain, no gain.
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Old 04-29-2005, 05:10 AM
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...quit busting my balls here. I have said (wrote) that I may not be the best driver out there and granted there are proven methods out there which are better (i.e. school) where I will find out where I rank but till then, I can get by hitting the canyons. (Just for fun...not here to win trophies) and I know I would have an astonishing time once I take the course.

Till then all I really wanted from this post was: what mods are out there for my 05 M3 SMG, and for the people that have a SMG M3 modify, Are you happy with the mods.
(Everyone threw the school without knowing me…I could be Dale Earnhardt jr. for all they know) In regard to your mod list…I thank you so much…much appreciated.
LOL! I know everyone jumped on you, but it's a pretty civilised conversation... so congrats for keeping your cool! All I know is that I've been on this board for years, and I've seen this admonition of the best mod is to "mod the driver".... and now that I've experienced it, I understand why. Non-M cars can benefit more from mods, but out of the box the M3 is better than what most driver's can utilize. So, that's why the recommendation is for you to learn to get the best out of what you have.


Here's my take on the M3's S54 motor: BMW Motorsport has spent a LOT of time engineering a beautiful motor that is the S54. It's my favorite part of the M3. Otherwise, the M3 itself is an overweight pig, with decent brakes and softy suspension. The Motor is the bright, shining star. They didn't leave a lot of hp on the table for the aftermarket to clean up on.... which is to be expected for that level of motor. So, even if (Big, If) you get 10-15 hp for a few grand, it's a rounding error--- you've got to Supercharge it to get anything noticable.... which IMO is a bit of an abomination leading to a FrankenMMM. If seriously more power is required, perhaps consider a used 911 or C6 Vette... or wait for the E90M3 V8.

The Intake is well optimized for the M3, and there are reports of stalling with the K&N CAI's and do you really want to get into a battle with BMW over Motor warranty because of a CAI? The exhaust isn't going to get you much in hp... and it may lose you some. Goto m3forum.net and read posts from modders... some of them seem quite happy when they return their car back to stock after bouncing around from exhaust to exhaust. Different exhausts are just that: Different, not necessarily better or faster.

But if you've GOT to Mod to carve those canyon's faster, then my suggestion is to focus on the suspension. Modding the motor will just make the soft suspension even more noticable.... so you'll have to do them anyway. Go with coilovers... maybe Ground Control or Bilstein PSS9 which are ride height adjustable. The car will have lower CG and look "cooler". Software won't probably get you much, but it may make the throttle mapping a little better. Finally, if it's got a CDV then remove it.

You'll like this page: http://m3.madrussian.net/reviews.shtml

So far my mod list is: H&R Springs, Koni Shocks (Should have gone with coil overs... this combo is too soft), Braided steel brake lines, Rogue Engineering rear strut mounts & transmission bushings, OEM strut brace (not fitted on 2001's).

PS: Earnhart would probably drive a Porsche.

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Old 04-29-2005, 10:55 AM
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Right....DEjr would know exactly what it take to fix a car up, but just for say I’m dale and i just bought this M3...he knows NASCAR but it could be his first Bimmers...And he posted the same POST, everybody knowing who he is...what would you recommend him if he wanted little mods that ya'll all love...granted he could make his own or just buy whatever him eyes content...all he would just want is everybody’s input on what they found from personal experience.

I feel everybody’s concern, thank you thank you thank you
All I wanted REALLY was information on what out there. And warn me about certain companies that have cheapSh*T. Forget about my need for speed and tell me about cool products.

I would like to thank everybody for their comments, support and concerns. VIVA LA M3 cheers
Like I said. If this is indeed Dale, he would REALLY not be asking about how to make his car faster via MODS. Trust me...Especially not on an M3.

When Ralf Schumaker drove for the Williams team, he had a (get this) 330 Diesel that he got clocked for doing 200+ kmph and busted for. I don't recall Spoon Jr. posting on this forum asking how to make his 330D faster.
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Old 04-29-2005, 12:38 PM
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BTW if you didn't know, when NASCAR goes to road courses, they hire road race specialists. And the "normal" NASCAR drivers take schools at those tracks to learn the tricks of raod racing and to re familiarize themselves with those specific tracks.

So DEjr, ALREADY knows that for a road course, the answer it to take some training.

Sorry Sir....I give up

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The Intake is well optimized for the M3, and there are reports of stalling with the K&N CAI's and do you really want to get into a battle with BMW over Motor warranty because of a CAI? The exhaust isn't going to get you much in hp... and it may lose you some. Goto m3forum.net and read posts from modders... some of them seem quite happy when they return their car back to stock after bouncing around from exhaust to exhaust. Different exhausts are just that: Different, not necessarily better or faster.

But if you've GOT to Mod to carve those canyon's faster, then my suggestion is to focus on the suspension. Modding the motor will just make the soft suspension even more noticable.... so you'll have to do them anyway. Go with coilovers... maybe Ground Control or Bilstein PSS9 which are ride height adjustable. The car will have lower CG and look "cooler". Software won't probably get you much, but it may make the throttle mapping a little better. Finally, if it's got a CDV then remove it.

You'll like this page: http://m3.madrussian.net/reviews.shtml

So far my mod list is: H&R Springs, Koni Shocks (Should have gone with coil overs... this combo is too soft), Braided steel brake lines, Rogue Engineering rear strut mounts & transmission bushings, OEM strut brace (not fitted on 2001's).

PS: Earnhart would probably drive a Porsche.
LOL…Porsche?
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Like I said. If this is indeed Dale, he would REALLY not be asking about how to make his car faster via MODS. Trust me...Especially not on an M3.

When Ralf Schumaker drove for the Williams team, he had a (get this) 330 Diesel that he got clocked for doing 200+ kmph and busted for. I don't recall Spoon Jr. posting on this forum asking how to make his 330D faster.
Ohhhh...

Thanks for you help

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Old 04-29-2005, 02:27 PM
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Ohhhh...

Thanks for you help
Think about it this way...If you come here to Bimmerfest, a somewhat respected forum on the internet, and you ask us for opinions, and OVERWHELMINGLY almost all of us gave you the same options and opinions...

You have got to figure there's a good chance we are right. Just think about that for a sec.
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I'd just like to pop my head in and say that this thread blows.
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Old 04-29-2005, 03:25 PM
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So far my mod list is: H&R Springs, Koni Shocks (Should have gone with coil overs... this combo is too soft), Braided steel brake lines, Rogue Engineering rear strut mounts & transmission bushings, OEM strut brace (not fitted on 2001's).
Please take a picture of your rear struts. I'm betting they're either the only ones in existance, or not struts. If you're going to hold yourself out as an expert, please know what the parts are properly called.

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Unfortunately, a CAI will only give you a ridiculous ricer sound,
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and most probably you will not feel the difference at all...I agree that the car is some what slow.. and you get easily comfortable with the power in no time..
right. wrong. wrong.

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Regardless, you can only waste so much money on bolt-ons before you blow the motor up..
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I agree with Pinecone..get it out on the track...You'll like it even more..
right.

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Old 04-29-2005, 03:31 PM
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Granted a good driver will always prevail over a bad driver, also I’m not claiming to be an autox champion here…but I do know my car and how to drive it.

I guess I now REGRET getting a Stock M3, I should have gotten an M3 CSL or GTR Street version.

Since everybody keeps their M3 Stock (I guess every modified M3 at bimmerfest was a fake), does anybody know where I can buy CSL parts or GTR for a ’05 M3 SMG
OK, so you're 16 and we all know it now. Now stfu before your mommy catches you talking crap and smacks you.
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K&N Intake for M3.. 18.65 hp gain. Noise level is nearly the same as stock. Best bang for your buck..

http://www.modbargains.com/product.a...46%2Dintake013
ESTIMATED. NOT ACTUAL. Gee...K&N wouldn't exagerate would they? FYI, I can show a 18HPchange on a dyno sheet...without changing a thing...reset adaptation and away we go.
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Think about it this way...If you come here to Bimmerfest, a somewhat respected forum on the internet, and you ask us for opinions, and OVERWHELMINGLY almost all of us gave you the same options and opinions...

You have got to figure there's a good chance we are right. Just think about that for a sec.
Okay...I meant it in the best possible way; don’t turn it the other way around. I’m not saying I don’t care what ya'll think...just that the question on what out there was so ever answered. Maybe i made the error in posting a thread that started with "Making my M3 FASTER" and should of been "What Out There for my M3" apologies to all. Don’t get mad...their is no sarcasm here, i respect bimmerfest and its members and whatever opinions are given have i ever said I didn’t, NO. kick back turn on the TV and drink a beer get a BJ...Relax

I now know that on an M3 there not much i can do...except go to school. unless i have $$$ to burn on point less stuff ( and i mean making it faster... i.e. CAI, exhaust ,chip,OD pulleys) After school I will consider what i learned and go buy what i think i would need (more than likely it will be suspension).

Don’t get me wrong...words alone cannot express ones true feelings when posting replies...but to let you know I’m always happy to hear any comments and I mean what i say and said in the best of way.

I still love M3's and forever will.
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OK, so you're 16 and we all know it now. Now stfu before your mommy catches you talking crap and smacks you.
grow up, EaD
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YEAH...I never siad my buddy had all Dinan in his car, just the cpu, plus I stated that the cpu upgrade doesn't do anything about power out-put. I also stated that he had spent a SH*T LOAD of money for that little gain. This guy is asking for a bit more kick in his car, and I gave him what will give him that. The easyest way to get a bit more power into your car is to make it breath better, hense intake and exhaust. The cpu upgrade will give him a bit more agressive curve(meaning quicker throttle response and better tuning to a specific fuel grade, plus you get a higher red line and no top speed limiter) And I never styated this was the way to make your car faster for track use, that depends on driver skills and handling of the car itself. Maybe you should just let the guy be happy with whatever he wants to do to his car, after all it is HIS CAR.....All he wanted to know was what was out there to make his car a bit more agressive.....
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Think about it this way...If you come here to Bimmerfest, a somewhat respected forum on the internet, and you ask us for opinions, and OVERWHELMINGLY almost all of us gave you the same options and opinions...

You have got to figure there's a good chance we are right. Just think about that for a sec.
Oh c'mon Hack, you have to realize that some people just want reaffirmation of their preconceived opinions/thoughts. This is a exactly such a case, otherwise, he would heed our collective opinions.

The other assumption you made....
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Old 04-30-2005, 12:16 AM
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OK, so you're 16 and we all know it now. Now stfu before your mommy catches you talking crap and smacks you.
I'm pretty sure that you're no more than an idiot...So how would you mod yours? Lucky modding
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Oh c'mon Hack, you have to realize that some people just want reaffirmation of their preconceived opinions/thoughts. This is a exactly such a case, otherwise, he would heed our collective opinions.

The other assumption you made....
Some people don't use what's between their ears.
You can only tell others to get lessons so much...The original post is really legit..And he got some very rediculous answers IMO..I.E. get schooling on a track...You can only learn how to make faster lap times...Sooo...how about making the E46 faster??? I'm sorry, but I think it's pretty slow myself....High rev limit...but takes too long to get there...And really has no tq whatsoever..

Regardless, I love the car, for what it is...I only wish it could be faster...Sorry, but without doing massive internal work(short-stroke)(forced induction)you're spinning your wheels...
So to make an e46 faster...lighten it....
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I'm pretty sure that you're no more than an idiot...So how would you mod yours? Lucky modding
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You can only tell others to get lessons so much...The original post is really legit..And he got some very rediculous answers IMO..I.E. get schooling on a track...You can only learn how to make faster lap times...Sooo...how about making the E46 faster??? I'm sorry, but I think it's pretty slow myself....High rev limit...but takes too long to get there...And really has no tq whatsoever..

Regardless, I love the car, for what it is...I only wish it could be faster...Sorry, but without doing massive internal work(short-stroke)(forced induction)you're spinning your wheels...
So to make an e46 faster...lighten it....
Thank you for further proving my point.
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wrong.



right. wrong. wrong.



wrong.


right.

2 outa 6 aint bad if your a baseball player
let's see some REPEATABLE numbers, like time slips, multi pull dyno runs before and after on th SAME dyno.
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Making a faster convertible.

Speaking of making an M3 faster (lighter), can anyone comment on the feasibility of removing the rollover bar from an M3 convertible? This is assuming, of course, that I'll never need it.
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Please take a picture of your rear struts. I'm betting they're either the only ones in existance, or not struts. If you're going to hold yourself out as an expert, please know what the parts are properly called.

Thank you.
Bravo.

You have a very hot car, and obviously some experience which means you could add something intelligent to the thread. Any idea when you are going to get around to that? How about starting with a list of mods to your car?

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Speaking of making an M3 faster (lighter), can anyone comment on the feasibility of removing the rollover bar from an M3 convertible? This is assuming, of course, that I'll never need it.
That idea is so far beyond stupid that I'm just at a loss for words.
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