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Old 07-22-2002, 04:47 PM
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Thumbs up Installed Doug Whalen seat rail bushings!

At the last HACK project session this past Saturday, Raffi, Plaz and I (while HACK was under Plaz's car) did the Doug Whalen seat rail bushing change on my 01 M Roadster.

The seats in my M Roadster 'moved/wiggled' while driving and changing the seat rail bushings made the seat rock solid as I took HACK out for a test drive.

I used the write-up from .org as instructions:

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums...=422418&page=7

The only thing I would add would be the suggested seat removal process:
1) move seat forward - remove rear seat hold down bolts
2) move seat all the way back - remove front seat hold down nuts
3) lean seat forward and diconnect harness with yellow connector

If there are other people in the SoCal area that want to do the change out, I can perhaps help out and make it go a lot quicker.

my .org follow up post:

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums...=890636&page=1
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Old 07-23-2002, 02:02 PM
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Sounds like a much-needed mod

Scott,
This is a modification I read about somewhere else and it sounds much-needed (would love to eliminate the seat slop).

This is my "first post" here, so just gettin' used to how everything works.

BTW, you offered to help help install the Doug Whalen seat rail bushings. I don't have tools or a shop, but if you have some kind of working area setup... this would definitely be worth a case of the beer of your choice to me (if it would be worth it to you).
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Old 07-23-2002, 02:16 PM
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Welcome Aboard!

First things first - post a thread with pics of your car in the Bimmerfest Showroom Board telling them you're new

No special workshop needed, but I have a pretty clean garage where the work can be done. The only thing I don't have (I used HACKs when we did mine) is a nice set of Torx bits. I should have the small size (I think T-25) that is needed, but there is a larger size (I'll have to see if it's on a post somewhere) that I'm pretty sure I do not have. In lieu of beer, I'll galdly accept the needed Torx bit.

You need to get a set of the bushings from Doug. He has not been charging anything for them (what a guy!) in the past but I think he's going to start getting more requests. Maybe I should have him send me a bunch of them if I'm going to help out the Z series family swap them out.
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Old 06-04-2004, 09:29 AM
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Where do I get these things... I have been searching for like 10 minutes.
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Old 06-04-2004, 09:33 AM
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Where do I get these things... I have been searching for like 10 minutes.
Contact Doug Whalen at whamac@msn.com.
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Old 06-04-2004, 09:44 AM
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Old 06-04-2004, 06:16 PM
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Wow, old thread. I was about to post Scott and ask for help!

I need to do mine SOON.
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Old 06-04-2004, 06:41 PM
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Old 06-04-2004, 07:14 PM
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Email bounced back. You sure thats it?
That's my correct address.

I do have occasional trouble receiving e-mail; no clue as to why.

You can always PM me here, or try to call me on Saturday. As usual, I'll be in the shop most of the weekend.
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Old 06-07-2004, 01:38 PM
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Old 05-12-2015, 10:27 AM
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Hi whamac

I realise the age of this thread however i have sent you an email as well -

If you're able to help - muchly appreciated (so embaraasing hearing mine and the passengers seats bang and crash when accelerating).

Thank you
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:56 AM
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These things are readily available today from multiple sources. Just do an eBay search and you should find several offers.
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Old 05-12-2015, 12:42 PM
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Excellent to have options.
Can i just say as a new member, you guys are very helpful. Thanks you
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:17 PM
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Try Odometergears.com http://www.odometergears.com/product...eries+96-02/41

I just did mine last weekend from there and they worked great. No sanding or anything. They went right in.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:37 PM
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I did the replacement on my 2000 Z3 and....

....It went very well.

I hope I am undrstanding and relating this correctly.

The instructions I used did not say anything about the airbag accelerometer. Pull the passenger's seat, it opens the circuit for the airbags which is seen as a fault in the system. Fault light on the dashboard comes on and stays on until reset.

I believe that the way to avoid this situation is to disconnect the battery before pulling the seats. Others one the forum will know for sure.

A little care in getting all of the compenents reinstalled in the same position they came out makes this a fun project.

Careful not to get the grease on the rugs.

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Old 05-12-2015, 09:39 PM
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NO need to disconnect the battery...just do not have keys in the ignition during the entire procedure....ever.
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Old 05-14-2015, 01:25 AM
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Yeah, just don't turn it on while the seat is disconnected.
For me though, I had no room in the garage to be bale to take out the seats and lay them on a safe spot, so i thought it would be a good idea to put the car in the driveway and take the seats out there and work on the bushings in the garage.
Just my luck though, it started raining so i HAD to move the car inside and I didn't have time to put the seat back in in order for the light not to turn on.
Fortunately, I bought the B800 BMW airbag tool to reset it.
I wish I had known that there were some bushings that didn't need sanding, to me that was the most frustrating part of the while procedure, and ended up with two very sanded fingernails which just feel weird
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Old 05-14-2015, 08:57 AM
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A little explanation..

Being a toolmaker for 36 years and involved with manufacturing all that time, I am fully aware that any production-made parts are going to vary a bit dimensionally, from one to another.
The reason I, as the world's first provider of replacement seat bushings, opted to make them overly thick is to allow the installer to make sure they fit perfectly; it's a common procedure in the world of precision machining and fitting.

The sanding takes maybe two minutes...maybe.
And there is certainly no reason to use one's fingernails in the sanding operation; I can't figure that one out at all.

Not trying to ignite a fire here; just offering a simple explanation.
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Old 05-14-2015, 09:45 AM
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A little explanation..

Being a toolmaker for 36 years and involved with manufacturing all that time, I am fully aware that any production-made parts are going to vary a bit dimensionally, from one to another.
The reason I, as the world's first provider of replacement seat bushings, opted to make them overly thick is to allow the installer to make sure they fit perfectly; it's a common procedure in the world of precision machining and fitting.

The sanding takes maybe two minutes...maybe.
And there is certainly no reason to use one's fingernails in the sanding operation; I can't figure that one out at all.

Not trying to ignite a fire here; just offering a simple explanation.
I completely understand, but I am an idiot when it comes to doing something at 3am, the only way i thought of sanding mine down was to hold them with my hand (thumb and index) and do it, with ended up eating my nails.
But hey! No more rocking seats!

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This is indeed a fun project.....

I got so good at removing the seats I could get them both out in about twenty minutes.
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:22 AM
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A little explanation..

Being a toolmaker for 36 years and involved with manufacturing all that time, I am fully aware that any production-made parts are going to vary a bit dimensionally, from one to another.
The reason I, as the world's first provider of replacement seat bushings, opted to make them overly thick is to allow the installer to make sure they fit perfectly; it's a common procedure in the world of precision machining and fitting.

The sanding takes maybe two minutes...maybe.
And there is certainly no reason to use one's fingernails in the sanding operation; I can't figure that one out at all.

Not trying to ignite a fire here; just offering a simple explanation.
Bought a set of your bushings...not really needing them in my current Z3, but I expect my tiny bit of rocking will soon be tireseome. Glad you provide a great product for the Z3 community.
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Old 05-16-2015, 06:42 PM
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So, which are "the" bushings to get? Sounds like there are options? I just bought a 2000 M Roadster, and have a lot of play in the driver's seat front to back.
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Get the original -- Whalen

Support Doug who made the first seat bushings way back when, plus he makes great shift knobs too.

http://www.whalenshiftmachine.com/
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Exactly.... from a person who also owns and loves these cars as much as we do.

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Did mine before I knew about Doug's bushings

Bought them from "Evilbay" for about ten bucks. They went right in without any fitting. Fixed the problem completely.

But I wish I had waited. I think Doug's would probably last longer than the ones I used.

As it happens I am selling the car so I don't have to worry about how long they last.
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