We've compiled the complete specifications for the sixth generation BMW 3 series sedan, chassis code F30. The F30 328i and 335i, which will be the two main 3 series sold in the US are stacked up against the out going fifth generation 3 series sedan, chassis code E90 and the forth generation 3 series sedan, chassis code E46. This gives you a good idea how much the 3 series has changed over the last 14 years. Most details are from the official BMW F30 press release, for more details on the F30 give it a read.





Weight Manual / Automatic
  • E46 325i - 3307
  • E46 330i - 3362
  • E90 328i - 3362 / 3428
  • E90 335i - 3582 / 3605
  • F30 328i - 3406 / 3461
  • F30 335i - 3571 / 3594
Drag coefficient
  • E46 325i - .31
  • E46 330i - .31
  • E90 328i - .29
  • E90 335i - .30
  • F30 328i - .29
  • F30 335i - .30
Height
  • E46 sedan - 55.1"
  • E90 sedan - 55.9"
  • F30 sedan - 56.3"
Width
  • E46 sedan - 68.5 w/o mirrors
  • E90 sedan - 71.5 w/o mirrors / 79.3 w/ mirrors
  • F30 sedan - 71.3 w/o mirrors / 80.0 w/ mirrors
Length
  • E46 sedan - 176.0
  • E90 sedan - 178.2
  • F30 sedan - 182.0
Shoulder room - Front/rear
  • E46 sedan - 54.4/54.2
  • E90 sedan - 55.4/55.1
  • F30 sedan - 55.1/55.1
Elbow room - Front/rear
  • E46 sedan - N/A
  • E90 sedan - 57.5/57.2
  • F30 sedan - 57.1/57.4
Headroom with moonroof - Front/rear
  • E46 sedan - 37.0/37.4
  • E90 sedan - 37.4/37.1
  • F30 sedan - 39.1/37.4
Headroom without moonroof - Front/rear
  • E46 sedan - N/A
  • E90 sedan - 38.5/37.5
  • F30 sedan - 40.3/37.7
Leg room - Front/rear
  • E46 sedan - 41.4/34.6
  • E90 sedan - 41.5/34.6
  • F30 sedan - 42.0/35.1
Passenger compartment volume in cubic feet
  • E46 sedan - 90.8
  • E90 sedan - 93.0
  • F30 sedan - TBD
Cargo volume - liters / cubic feet
  • E46 sedan - NA / 10.7
  • E90 sedan - 460 / 16.1
  • F30 sedan - 480 / 16.95
Fuel Capacity - US Gallons
  • E46 sedan - NA
  • E90 sedan - 16.1
  • F30 sedan - 15.8
Fuel economy - city/highway
  • E46 325i - 18/27 manual
  • E46 330i - 18/27 manual
  • E90 328i - 18/28 manual / 19/28 auto
  • E90 335i - 17/26 manual / 17/28 auto
  • F30 328i - 23/34 manual | 24/36 highway auto
  • F30 335i - 20/30 highway manual | 23/33 highway auto
Stock wheel/tires sizes
  • E90 328i - 16x7" 205/55/16
  • E90 335i - 17x8" 225/45/17
  • F30 328i - 17x7.5" 225/50/17
  • F30 335i - 17x7.5" 225/50/17

Note - These are the stock F30 wheel sizes without a line. See our Complete F30 wheel thread for more F30 BMW wheel details.

Brake rotor sizes - front/rear
  • E46 325i - F 11.8 / R 11.6
  • E46 330i - F 12.8 / R 12.6
  • E90 328i - F 12.3" / R 11.8"
  • E90 335i - F 13.7" / R 13.2"
  • F30 328i - F 12.3" / R 11.8" | M Sport - F 13.4" / R 13.6"
  • F30 335i - F 13.4 / TBD | M Sport F 14.6" / 13.6"
Top Speed
  • E90 328i sedan - 130 mph - increased to150 mph with sport package (electronically limited)
  • E90 335i sedan - 130mph - increased to150 mph with sport package (electronically limited)
  • F30 328i sedan - 155 (electronically limited)
  • F30 335i sedan - 155 (electronically limited)
0-60 mph speed
  • E90 328i sedan - 6.3 manual / 6.9 auto
  • E90 335i sedan - 5.4 manual / 5.6 auto
  • F30 328i sedan - 5.7 manual / 5.9 auto
  • F30 335i sedan - 5.4 manual / 5.4 auto
0-100 km/h speed
  • E90 328i sedan - 6.7 manual
  • E90 335i sedan - 5.6 manual
  • F30 328i sedan - 5.9 manual and auto
  • F30 335i sedan - 5.5 manual / 5.3 auto
Engine Details
  • E46 325i - 2.5 liter inline 6 cylinder / 184 horsepower at 6000 RPMs / 175lb-ft torque at 3500 RPMs / engine code M52
  • E46 330 - 3.0 liter inline 6 / 225 horsepower at 5900 RPMs / 214lb-ft torque at 3500 RPMs / engine code M54
  • E90 328i - 3.0 liter inline 6 / 230 horsepower at 6500 RPMs / 200lb-ft torque at 2750 RPMs / weight 357lbs / 10.7:1 compression ratio / engine code N52
  • E90 335i - 3.0 liter inline I6 / TwinPower-twin scroll single turbo / 300 horsepower at 5800 RPMs / 300lb-ft torque at 1200 RPMs / weight 427lbs / 10.2:1 compression / engine code N55 (2010 and older 335i were fitted with N54 twin turbo engines)
  • F30 328i - 2.0 liter inline 4 / 245 horsepower at 5000 RPMS / 258lb-ft torque at 1250 RPMs /10.0:1 compression ratio / engine code N20
  • F30 335i - 3.0 liter inline I6 / TwinPower-twin scroll single turbo / 306 horsepower at 5800 RPMs / 295lb-ft torque at 1200 RPMs / weight 427lbs / 10.2:1 compression ratio / engine code N55
Horsepower / Torque
  • E46 325i - 184 / 175
  • E46 330i - 225 / 214
  • E90 328i - 230 / 200
  • E90 335i - 300 / 300
  • F30 328i - 245 / 258
  • F30 335i - 306 / 295
Power to weight (lbs/hp)
  • E46 325i -3307/184 = 17.9 lbs per HP
  • E46 330i - 3362/225 = 14.9 lbs per HP
  • E90 328i - 3362/ 230 = 14.6 lbs per HP
  • E90 335i - 3582/300 = 11.94 lbs per HP
  • F30 328i - 3406/245 = 13.9 lbs per HP
  • F30 335i - 3571/306 = 11.9 lbs per HP

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72 responses to F30 3 Series Sedan - Complete Specs and comparison to E90 and E46

pix335i commented:
October 14, 2011, 12:51 pm

As we have been figuring, it keeps on getting bigger. Lots of numbers to go through...the one that sticks out the most to me off the top is that it does not appear to be a big drop off in performance between the 328 and 335. 0 - 62 F30 328i sedan - 5.9 manual and auto F30 335i sedan - 5.5 manual / 5.3 auto....but you get a lot better fuel mileage with the 328.

I think this just makes choosing one harder!
Inline Sixer commented:
October 14, 2011, 1:02 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
Weight
  • E46 325i - 3307
  • E46 330i - 3362
  • E90 328i - 3362
  • E90 335i - 3593
  • F30 328i - 3318
  • F30 335i - 3494
Wow, that's the first time I've seen they made a new model lighter.
jmnbmw commented:
October 14, 2011, 1:04 pm

I live it, except of the headlights touching the grills.
pix335i commented:
October 14, 2011, 1:09 pm

It is bigger and it loses weight. I was expecting the bigger part but was definitely surprised by it shedding some weight!
TMQ commented:
October 14, 2011, 1:27 pm

Cargo volume in cubic feet
E46 sedan - 10.7
E90 sedan - 12.0
F30 sedan - 16.95

that's a huge trunk - or does it actually include the space where a spare could have been?
tim330i commented:
October 14, 2011, 1:37 pm

I don't believe that includes that space. The spare tire well area is much smaller as well because of the dual exhausts.

Tim
Gjm127 commented:
October 14, 2011, 2:14 pm

Would these rims fit on an F30?

Front: 235/35/19 Offset 34 Bolt pattern: 5*120
Back: 275/30/19 Offset 20 Bolt pattern: 5*120
Robert A commented:
October 14, 2011, 2:17 pm

The weight deltas seem rather odd.

The 328i loses 44 pounds while taking on a lighter motor. The 335i loses 99 pounds but doesn't change motors at all. Doesn't make sense.

E90 328i - 3362 - F30 328i - 3318 = 44 pounds lighter
E90 335i - 3593 - F30 335i - 3494 = 99 pounds lighter
dtc100 commented:
October 14, 2011, 2:31 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert A View Post
The weight deltas seem rather odd.

The 328i loses 44 pounds while taking on a lighter motor. The 335i loses 99 pounds but doesn't change motors at all. Doesn't make sense.

E90 328i - 3362 - F30 328i - 3318 = 44 pounds lighter
E90 335i - 3593 - F30 335i - 3494 = 99 pounds lighter
I think it is intentional, if the 328i loses 150 pounds, its 0-60 could drop from 5.7 to 5.5, how are they going to justify the 335i at 5.3? Now it is just a matter of finding that paper weight somewhere and remove it
Robert A commented:
October 14, 2011, 2:37 pm

That doesn't quite make sense. If BMW was able to shed a certain amount of weight with the new chassis, they would not then intentionally handicap one model by throwing extra weight at it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dtc100 View Post
I think it is intentional, if the 328i loses 150 pounds, its 0-60 could drop from 5.7 to 5.5, how are they going to justify the 335i at 5.3? Now it is just a matter of finding that paper weight somewhere and remove it
dtc100 commented:
October 14, 2011, 2:44 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert A View Post
That doesn't quite make sense. If BMW was able to shed a certain amount of weight with the new chassis, they would not then intentionally handicap one model by throwing extra weight at it.
Then how do you suppose they can sell the 335i? It would have about the same 0-60 time, much higher cost and much worse MPG.
Robert A commented:
October 14, 2011, 2:46 pm

It has 60 more hp, more than enough to compensate for any weight penalty.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dtc100 View Post
Then how do you suppose they can sell the 335i? It would have about the same 0-60 time, much higher cost and much worse MPG.
Gjm127 commented:
October 14, 2011, 2:52 pm

is there DCT? With X-drive? They didn't mention anything about the X-drive...
pix335i commented:
October 14, 2011, 2:55 pm

It does not sound like DCT is making it in as of now. They mentioned the new 8 speed auto about a million times in the press release. I think they are really excited about it on the sedan.
tim330i commented:
October 14, 2011, 2:59 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gjm127 View Post
is there DCT? With X-drive? They didn't mention anything about the X-drive...
xDrive is coming in the summer of 2012. Details here - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=574805
Weaselboy commented:
October 14, 2011, 3:40 pm

Tim>> Unless I am misreading the catalogue PDF, the 328i and 335i both come standard with 18" wheels.

Really nice work laying out all the stats. Thanks

TMQ commented:
October 14, 2011, 3:54 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by E90Alan View Post
Tim>> Unless I am misreading the catalogue PDF, the 328i and 335i both come standard with 18" wheels...
Only if you order the optional BMW Lines with them.
Weaselboy commented:
October 14, 2011, 4:05 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by TMQ View Post
Only if you order the optional BMW Lines with them.
Ah, I see what you mean. I was thinking you would have to pick from one of the three lines, but it appears you can get a base without selecting a "line" like ordering without premium package on the E90. I suspect there will be close to zero cars on the lot that are base without a BMW Line package of some sort.
Nobrandfanboy commented:
October 14, 2011, 4:18 pm

The weight or 0-62 doesn't make sense. Either it is heavier than indicated or faster than the 0-62 times indicate. Current E90 weighs more but has the same time or faster with the same hp. So why the f30 have the same 0-62 time as the e90 and weighs less.
fb88 commented:
October 14, 2011, 7:47 pm

You missed the E90 330i 258hp engine spec in the comparison.
calmwinds commented:
October 14, 2011, 7:58 pm

seems like the torque for the f30 328i is 350Nm accdg to bmw website

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html
3ismagic# commented:
October 14, 2011, 8:03 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by pyao88 View Post
You missed the E90 330i 258hp engine spec in the comparison.
And the E90 335d.
MMME30W commented:
October 14, 2011, 8:16 pm

I assume the pics are not to scale.

I like it so far. Kinda big tho? Will have to see in the flesh.

Not getting the 4 cylinder turbo. Hmm. All the vibration of a 4 cyl and the complexity of a turb?. Not a good combo. And the electronics? I'm not buying any bimmer in the first MY of production. If they can pull it off reliably...time will tell...

Tim awesome job on the comparison.
alpinweiss commented:
October 14, 2011, 10:29 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Llando88 View Post
...Not getting the 4 cylinder turbo. Hmm. All the vibration of a 4 cyl and the complexity of a turb?. Not a good combo. And the electronics? I'm not buying any bimmer in the first MY of production. If they can pull it off reliably...time will tell...

Tim awesome job on the comparison.
Audi and Mercedes four cylinder engines have balance shafts to reduce the secondary vibrations. I would assume BMW will use similar technology, although I have not seen the specs on the new N20 engine.

528ikid commented:
October 15, 2011, 1:30 am

Looks like BMW is bringing back the inline 4 for the US? I hope so. I mean its not "cool" for a BMW to have an i4 in a car, but that will lower price and the fuel efficiency seems to be great. Looks like BMW is getting more practical. And the styling is a major upgrade from what we had before. F30>E90
brkf commented:
October 15, 2011, 2:12 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by alpinweiss View Post
Audi and Mercedes four cylinder engines have balance shafts to reduce the secondary vibrations. I would assume BMW will use similar technology, although I have not seen the specs on the new N20 engine.

Yes Road and Track brought up the balance shafts.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-c...3-series-sedan
BobBigMan commented:
October 15, 2011, 5:56 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobrandfanboy View Post
The weight or 0-62 doesn't make sense. Either it is heavier than indicated or faster than the 0-62 times indicate. Current E90 weighs more but has the same time or faster with the same hp. So why the f30 have the same 0-62 time as the e90 and weighs less.
I would say that after the weight gain of the 5 that this remarkable drop in weight for the 3 has taken everyone by surprise. 100kg is quite huge considering just how much bigger it is, either they have pulled out all the stops because of the huge importance of the 3 or they've forgot to add the 75kg the did with the E90.
Jimbo335 commented:
October 15, 2011, 6:37 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobBigMan View Post
I would say that after the weight gain of the 5 that this remarkable drop in weight for the 3 has taken everyone by surprise. 100kg is quite huge considering just how much bigger it is, either they have pulled out all the stops because of the huge importance of the 3 or they've forgot to add the 75kg the did with the E90.
Not Kg. Pounds.
evangellydonut commented:
October 15, 2011, 2:31 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueguydotcom View Post
Yes Road and Track brought up the balance shafts.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-c...3-series-sedan
Here's from the BMW official release -
"The “centrifugal pendulum absorber” fitted in the engine’s dual-mass flywheel ensures smooth, vibration-free running even at low engine speeds."
325bim commented:
October 15, 2011, 3:02 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by evangellydonut View Post
Here's from the BMW official release -
"The “centrifugal pendulum absorber” fitted in the engine’s dual-mass flywheel ensures smooth, vibration-free running even at low engine speeds."
hope that doesn't interfere with the flux capacitor!
BobBigMan commented:
October 15, 2011, 3:37 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo335 View Post
Not Kg. Pounds.
I think if you check you will find than BMW quote their weight with the additional 75KG that others don't. That's KG and not LBS.
HotPockets commented:
October 15, 2011, 6:40 pm

Are we sure of those 0-60 times? I've seen quotes from reputable sources, including this website, with much faster 0-60 times on the 335i E90.
BobBigMan commented:
October 16, 2011, 4:16 am

Just so you know, I did some digging and on the BMW.de website the difference in weight between the E90 335i and F30 335i is exactly 25kg, so that early assumption that the BMW America had forgotten to include the extra 75kg always quote was indeed correct and does explain the very small improvement in acceleration.
Bimmer4life commented:
October 16, 2011, 11:14 am

Can someone make a thread like this but with pictures comparing the E90 to the F30, like front, rear, side, interior, etc...Pics would need to line up and be the same size to see similaries and differences.

That would be cool to see. Thank you!!
Nobrandfanboy commented:
October 16, 2011, 11:20 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobBigMan View Post
Just so you know, I did some digging and on the BMW.de website the difference in weight between the E90 335i and F30 335i is exactly 25kg, so that early assumption that the BMW America had forgotten to include the extra 75kg always quote was indeed correct and does explain the very small improvement in acceleration.
The question is what did BMW do to increase the car by 4" which is a lot and be able to lose 25kg and still gain acceleration. I would think that this is something they would have explained as this is one of major issues with the automobile industries is weight.
RichReg commented:
October 16, 2011, 6:50 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobrandfanboy View Post
The question is what did BMW do to increase the car by 4" which is a lot and be able to lose 25kg and still gain acceleration. I would think that this is something they would have explained as this is one of major issues with the automobile industries is weight.
Just a guess but, my theory is they used that new type of sheetmetal stamping process that has already been implemented in the F10, as well as more intensive use of aluminum in the suspension. If you recall when the E90 was introduced, there was a lot of talk about how it did not receive the L.A.F.E. that had just been put into production on the E60.
accel commented:
October 17, 2011, 1:35 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inline Sixer View Post
Wow, that's the first time I've seen they made a new model lighter.
It is lighter by 2 cylinders.

Also, afair they made 2nd gen mini lighter.
tim330i commented:
October 18, 2011, 5:14 pm

I updated the initial thread with 0-60 times I got from the USA dealer sheet. There is something wrong with BMW's numbers -

From International F30 press kit -
Quote:
the new BMW 335i can show off its prowess with a 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) sprint time of just 5.5 seconds, which shaves 0.1 seconds off that of its equally powerful predecessor. The automatic version is even quicker, reaching 100 km/h (62 mph) a full 0.3 seconds faster than the outgoing model.
From USA F30 dealer info kit -
Quote:
The initial 0-60mph time for the 335i is 5.4 seconds with the manual transmission (same as the outgoing model) and the automatic transmission (-0.2 sec versus outgoing model).
0-60 mph speed
  • E90 328i sedan - 6.3 manual / 6.9 auto
  • E90 335i sedan - 5.4 manual / 5.6 auto
  • F30 328i sedan - 5.7 manual / 5.9 auto
  • F30 335i sedan - 5.4 manual / 5.4 auto
0-100 km/h (0-62mph) speed
  • E90 328i sedan - 6.7 manual
  • E90 335i sedan - 5.6 manual
  • F30 328i sedan - 5.9 manual and auto
  • F30 335i sedan - 5.5 manual / 5.3 auto

So the German 335i auto can go faster 0-62 then the US can get from 0-60. Hmmmmmm.
SD Z4MR commented:
October 18, 2011, 6:06 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
Engine Details
  • E46 325i - 2.5 liter inline 6 cylinder / 184 horsepower at 6000 RPMs / 175lb-ft torque at 3500 RPMs / engine code M52
  • E46 330 - 3.0 liter inline 6 / 225 horsepower at 5900 RPMs / 214lb-ft torque at 3500 RPMs / engine code M54
  • E90 328i - 3.0 liter inline 6 / 230 horsepower at 6500 RPMs / 200lb-ft torque at 2750 RPMs / weight 357lbs / 10.7:1 compression ratio / engine code N52
  • E90 335i - 3.0 liter inline I6 / TwinPower-twin scroll single turbo / 300 horsepower at 5800 RPMs / 300lb-ft torque at 1200 RPMs / weight 427lbs / 10.2:1 compression / engine code N55 (2010 and older 335i were fitted with N54 twin turbo engines)
  • F30 328i - 2.0 liter inline 4 / 245 horsepower at 5000 RPMS / 258lb-ft torque at 1250 RPMs /10.0:1 compression ratio / engine code N20
  • F30 335i - 3.0 liter inline I6 / TwinPower-twin scroll single turbo / 306 horsepower at 5800 RPMs / 295lb-ft torque at 1200 RPMs / weight 427lbs / 10.2:1 compression ratio / engine code N55
Horsepower / Torque
  • E46 325i - 184 / 175
  • E46 330i - 225 / 214
  • E90 328i - 230 / 200
  • E90 335i - 300 / 300
  • F30 328i - 245 / 258
  • F30 335i - 306 / 295
Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
I updated the initial thread with 0-60 times I got from the USA dealer sheet. There is something wrong with BMW's numbers -

So the German 335i auto can go faster 0-62 then the US can get from 0-60. Hmmmmmm.
I noticed that you also quoted the 335i HP from the European Press release. The US Press Release indicates that the N55 engine is being carried over and shows it at 300 HP.
RichReg commented:
October 19, 2011, 6:48 pm

It's the same engine...anyway you slice it. It's just that Euro hp is measured differently, that's why there's is 306 while ours is @ 300.

I think its quite possible that BMWNA is loading up the car with lots of standard goodies that aren't necessarily standard on the Euro version.
So our "base" 335 will be heavier than Europe's "base" 335.
Robert A commented:
October 19, 2011, 6:52 pm

Other than possibly a standard sunroof and maybe added safety equipment in the US, what could possibly account for much of a weight difference between the two markets?

FWIW, it seems odd to me that the 335i is shedding about 100 pounds while the 328i, which gets the new motor, loses only half that amount. It seems like it should be the other way around.
RichReg commented:
October 19, 2011, 6:57 pm

I've read about things as minute as a rain sensor on the windshield making a difference, so who knows for sure?

We also don't know the details of these new "trim levels". They can't all weigh the same because they have different equipment.
Which one do they use when they give us zero to sixty times?
Robert A commented:
October 19, 2011, 7:10 pm

All true, but if you check historical specs for other BMWs, the US/EU weights are close. Now if we could just know exactly how BMWNA calculates the weight of it's cars.
basedrum777 commented:
October 28, 2011, 1:29 pm

Just FYI I believe those mileage numbers are for the diesel option.
tim330i commented:
October 28, 2011, 1:45 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by basedrum777 View Post
Just FYI I believe those mileage numbers are for the diesel option.
Are you talking about the mileage numbers for the F30? They are indeed for the gas 328i and 335i. From page 6 of the press kit -
Quote:
BMW 328i with 2.0-litre displacement: its BMW TwinPower Turbo four-cylinder engine fronts a new generation of light and powerful petrol units which fit the new BMW 3 Series’ dynamic concept like a glove. The state-of-the-art turbocharged powerplant develops 180 kW/245 hp and peak torque of 350 Nm (258 lb-ft) from as low down as 1,250 rpm, accelerating the BMW 3 Series from 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) in 5.9 seconds. Average fuel consumption is just 6,4 litres per 100 kilometres (44.1 mpg imp).
6.4 liters per 100K is 36.7522786 miles per gallon according to Google.

Page 19 of the press kit -
Quote:
All this extra performance comes with exceptional fuel economy and low emission figures, so drivers can enjoy it with complete peace of mind. Fuel consumption in the EU test cycle is rated at 7.9 litres per 100 kilometres (35.8 mpg imp, and CO2 emissions at 186 grams per kilometre. Fitted with the new eight-speed automatic transmission, the BMW 335i is even more frugal, with combined fuel consumption of just 7.2 litres per 100 kilometres
7.2 liters per 100K is 32.6686921 miles per gallon according to Google.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/pdf/bmw-pr...-328i-335i.pdf
basedrum777 commented:
October 28, 2011, 4:43 pm

So you mean my currently ordered (and not delivered yet) 328xi gets 28mpg and the new one I could've bought would get me 36mpg?
tim330i commented:
October 28, 2011, 5:01 pm

BMWUSA.com says the E90 328ix with manual gets 17/25 or 17/26 mpg with the auto. There are no specs for the F30 328i xDrive fuel economy yet as the car isn't being produced by BMW.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

Tim
GerWil commented:
October 28, 2011, 5:01 pm

According to the specs, the 0-60 speed of the F30 328i is only .3 of a second behind the E90 335i (the F30 335i is a slightly faster). I would like to know how the cars will compare in passing speeds (about 45-65 mph), when acceleration is really meaningful.
basedrum777 commented:
October 28, 2011, 5:34 pm

See now I'm a bit pissed because the salesman could've told me that the new one had better mpg. I am trading from a Corolla for god's sakes. I love my gas mileage.
pcbrew commented:
October 28, 2011, 8:16 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by basedrum777 View Post
So you mean my currently ordered (and not delivered yet) 328xi gets 28mpg and the new one I could've bought would get me 36mpg?
Those "combined" numbers are some kind of average on the EU mileage test (urban and extra-urban), so not equivalent to that EPA number you quote for 328xi. But, the new F30 will have better mileage and not only because of the engine change. BTW, the numbers you quoted were for the 328i and the ix (4WD model) is lower. Also, the ix models for F30 will not be available until later in 2012, likely as 2013 model year.

For reference EPA numbers (all with Auto, 8-spd for 5-series and 6-spd for 3-series)
2011 528i = 22/32 and 25 combined (with the same I6 engine as 328ix)
2011 328ix = 17/26 and 20 combined
2011 328i = 18/28 and 22 combined
2012 528i = 23/34 and 27 combined (with new I4T and stop-start)

So, the 2012 F30 328i should get at least as good mileage as the new 528i and maybe better due to lighter weight.

The new 8-speed tranny by itself seems to result in a bigger part of the improvements.
Robert A commented:
October 28, 2011, 8:20 pm

Where are you finding 23/34 for the 528i? I can only locate 22/32 from bmwusa.com

Quote:
Originally Posted by pcbrew View Post
For reference EPA numbers (all with Auto, 8-spd for 5-series and 6-spd for 3-series)
2011 528i = 22/32 and 25 combined (with the same I6 engine as 328ix)
2011 328ix = 17/26 and 20 combined
2011 328i = 18/28 and 22 combined
2012 528i = 23/34 and 27 combined (with new I4T and stop-start)
pcbrew commented:
October 28, 2011, 8:39 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert A View Post
Where are you finding 23/34 for the 528i? I can only locate 22/32 from bmwusa.com
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
Robert A commented:
October 28, 2011, 9:49 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by pcbrew View Post
Wonder why the discrepancy.
pcbrew commented:
October 28, 2011, 11:45 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert A View Post
Wonder why the discrepancy.
bmwusa.com has not updated their site.
They still have the numbers from the 2011 model.
Robert A commented:
October 29, 2011, 1:00 am

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Originally Posted by pcbrew View Post
They still have the numbers from the 2011 model.
So too then does the 2012 online brochure. 22/32 is featured on the same page as the 2.0L engine specs.

http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...+Oa++e8RJWlONj
Dave 330i commented:
November 2, 2011, 12:35 am

I don't see a big enough improvement over the E90 for me to drool for this F30 edition.
tim330i commented:
November 2, 2011, 12:10 pm

I think the big improvements are the technology they've packed into the car and the interior. The driver oriented dash alone is worth the upgrade
16n69 commented:
November 3, 2011, 11:11 am

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Originally Posted by dave 330i View Post
i don't see a big enough improvement over the e90 for me to drool for this f30 edition.
e46>e90>f30
antidentite commented:
November 15, 2011, 12:47 pm

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Originally Posted by basedrum777 View Post
See now I'm a bit pissed because the salesman could've told me that the new one had better mpg. I am trading from a Corolla for god's sakes. I love my gas mileage.
If you're coming from a Corolla, you'll be happy with the e90 for sure. And if gas mileage is really important to you, talk to your dealer to see if (s)he can do anything for you.

Chances are, your dealer probably doesn't know as much as most of the people on this forum so it's your job to keep him honest. At least, that's how I look at it...
mr_clueless commented:
January 12, 2012, 5:00 pm

Do you have the numbers for weight balance?
pony_trekker commented:
February 4, 2012, 11:19 am

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justinnum1 commented:
February 4, 2012, 11:29 am

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Originally Posted by mr_clueless View Post
Do you have the numbers for weight balance?
328 is 50/50
335 is 50.5/49.5 i think...maybe 51/49
mr_clueless commented:
February 4, 2012, 4:21 pm

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Originally Posted by justinnum1 View Post
328 is 50/50
335 is 50.5/49.5 i think...maybe 51/49
328 MT is 49.5/50.5, AT is 50/50. This is from the downloadable manual on bmwusa.com. The specs page for the 328i lists the 328 MT as 50.5/49.5, but I think that is a typo.
calmwinds commented:
February 4, 2012, 5:48 pm

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Originally Posted by 16n69 View Post
e46>e90>f30
no doubt e46 looked better than the e90.
mr_clueless commented:
February 4, 2012, 5:50 pm

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Originally Posted by calmwinds View Post
no doubt e46 looked better than the e90.
E36 is even better.
brkf commented:
February 4, 2012, 7:00 pm

Weights in first post are wrong as the 328i is showing up as 3406 lbs.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

What happened to the F30 being lighter?
Nobrandfanboy commented:
February 4, 2012, 7:27 pm

My favorites are still the e46 and e30. Especially the e30 and e46 M3.
roadsta commented:
February 10, 2012, 11:54 pm

0-60 mph speed

F30 335i sedan - 5.4 manual / 5.4 auto

0-100 km/h speed

F30 335i sedan - 5.5 manual / 5.3 auto

The auto does 0-100 kmh (which is about 2 mph faster than 60 mph) in 5.3, but it takes longer (5.4) to get to 60 mph?

There has to be a mistake here.

roadsta
tim330i commented:
March 9, 2012, 4:33 pm

I got some new numbers to share on the F30 and E90 comparison. I updated the first post as well. Interesting to note that the F30 has more head room with the sun roof then the E90 had without! That is impressive. From a tall guy that is huge, good job BMW!

Elbow room - Front/rear
  • E46 sedan - N/A
  • E90 sedan - 57.5/57.2
  • F30 sedan - 57.1/57.4
Leg room - Front/rear
  • E46 sedan - 41.4/34.6
  • E90 sedan - 41.5/34.6
  • F30 sedan - 42.0/35.1
Headroom with moonroof - Front/rear
  • E46 sedan - 37.0/37.4
  • E90 sedan - 37.4/37.1
  • F30 sedan - 39.1/37.4
Headroom without moonroof - Front/rear
  • E46 sedan - N/A
  • E90 sedan - 38.5/37.5
  • F30 sedan - 40.3/37.7
d geek commented:
March 9, 2012, 6:48 pm

So the F30 actually has less shoulder & elbow room than the e90? The overhead view appears to show the F30 as much wider.
Elias commented:
March 9, 2012, 7:04 pm

I personally would like to see a comparison between the F30 and the E39 seems to me that they are very close in size and weight now very Interesting.
brkf commented:
March 9, 2012, 10:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Nobrandfanboy View Post
My favorites are still the e46 and e30. Especially the e30 and e46 M3.
Yep, drove a 2003 ZHP the other day. So much better driving than a 2012 F30.