by Bimmerfest.com Member on February 9, 2012, 4:26 pm
Picked up the car yesterday. No surprises. 36-mo/12K lease; residual 64%; MF .00146 (w/ 7 MSDs). Monroney attached.
10th BMW, including E36 318ti MT, E46 330I ZHP MT, E93 335i auto, and - just turned in - 2010 E89 Z4 s35i DCT. With last two, used paddles exclusively. 3 BMW Performance Driving Schools, including Advanced M at VIR. Other car is 2011 Corvette Grand Sport vert MT.
Summary: the F30 335i is an awesome sedan. Entirely pleased with every aspect. Major advances in switchgear, displays, instrumentation. In 100 miles of urban/suburban driving, car is agile and quick - point and shoot.
Details (in no order)...
Steering is light but focused. Variable sport steering really works in tight places and is non-intrusive on the road. Steering wheel is small in diameter and leather is graining and grippable - not as good for me as the M-wheel, but in that direction.
Seats very good. Again, grainy and grippy leather. Rear outside headrests get in the field of view to rear but easily removed. Center rear headrest folds down. Small net pocket back of front seats. Fold-down rear is good.
Handling is really splendid. Feels like an M-3. Nothing more to say: it feels like an M-3.
Has an airy greenhouse and upright seating position; very commanding control of where the car is going and what's going on around it. Excellent mirrors.
HUD is good; better than in '09 535i. Works with polaroids, though must roll head a bit to the right under bright conditions. Have not seen the 'color' aspect - just looks mono to me. NAV in HUD is good but smallish font. No gear-position, turn signals. Good for cruise control display. Still nowhere near as good as GM's in my C6, though.
Gages and displays are excellent, a step-jump ahead of last generation BMWs (such as my Z4). Controls and switchgear also very good - no complaints, no issues.
Cruise control moves from a stalk to the left side of steering wheel, but is even easier to use than the (excellent) stalk. Very intuitive.
H-K sound system seems fine.
Car is quiet, but have not had it at freeway speeds.
iDrive nails it: intuitive, fully functional, great flexibility.
NAV system is a bit dark in the display but functionality continues to be very good. Resets almost instantly when deviating from planned route (speed to reset really noticeable compared with previous generations). Same voice. For those not experienced with it, the ability to send a destination from Google Maps on a computer to the NAV system via BMW Assist is almost worth the price of admission in itself.
Car's external look is fine. It's a sedan. It's a BMW sedan. It looks like a BMW 3-series sedan, with enough sheet-metal tweaks to differentiate it from earlier models. Front end looks burly. Front license plate holder better in person than discussed earlier (but will remove it as soon as someone posts a non-destructive method). Interior is very functional and looks high quality everywhere.
The camera package seems top-notch at first use, but still will take time to get full utility from. I'd order it again.
Trunk is roomy, has a couple cubbies beneath the floor, a net hold-down, net side pocket. Cargo tiedowns (hefty)
Much internal storage - door, big glove compartment, not-big center armrest. Cup holders are very deep - have switched to a tall BMW driving cup rather than rely on dexterity to keep from smooshing a Starbucks cup full of hot coffee lifting it out. Be careful.
iPod hooks up immediately and gives full functionality through the display screen. You'll need a dongle - I've had a couple around so no prob but did not see one with the new car.
Comfort Access kick-under-the-trunk works when you do it right, Only slightly tricky.
Display screen seems natural where it is and is unobtrusive.
BMW Apps? Beats me. Gonna have to research that to figure out what the hell I bought.
The Adaptive M Suspension is same is in Z4, with addition of ECO-PRO (if anyone ever uses this, post something; won't be me; ditto on Stop/Start - I always turn it off). My continuing view is the Sport+ is a track mode, pure and simple, but Sport is great, improving throttle response, tightening up the suspension, and giving more steering wheel feedback. Only way to go. Comfort is for ... I don't know what it's for.
Best for last: the 8-speed automatic transmission is a wonder. Seamless and knows just what gear to be in and when to shift. Shifts are instantaneous and torque converter locks throughout the speed range almost from a dead stop; I judge this even faster than my Z4's DCT and equally tight. Have experimented with Manual mode and the paddles. Like the M-3-like paddle arrangement over the push-down, pull up of the Z4 and E9x autos and DCTs. But! But full automatic, D and Sport, is so good on rev range and shifting and drivability that I intend to do all my driving in full automatic. Trust me, you have to work really hard to shift as well as the auto mode with this transmission. I'll leave the manual-vs-auto argument to others; I like both but am most happy I bought this 8-speed.
You've really gots to read the manual (how to open hood; trunk switch in glovebox, etc.)
Comments and questions welcome. No pics - the launch-model Sport Line photos in Melbourne Red are what I have.
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39 responses to 100 Mile Report (long)
justinnum1 commented: February 9, 2012, 4:37 pm
Thanks! Sounds awesome! enjoy it!
pix335i commented: February 9, 2012, 4:38 pm
Awesome write up. Glad to see some real reviews rolling in.
Super jealous considering the bimmerfest.com 328i is just getting off loaded from a ship in NY today.
bl@ster commented: February 9, 2012, 4:45 pm
A damn good review. Thanks!
JustinTJ commented: February 9, 2012, 5:21 pm
Real nice writeup. The exact same build as mine will be minus the window shades.
Weaselboy commented: February 9, 2012, 6:11 pm
Nice write up. Thanks for taking the time.
I know are not a fan, but can you try out the stop-start and give us your thoughts on it during normal driving.
My F30 335i is supposed to start production next week!
tonmonde commented: February 9, 2012, 6:15 pm
Great review, informative and gave me a few chuckles as well!
Rubber Ducky commented: February 9, 2012, 6:43 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by E90Alan
Nice write up. Thanks for taking the time.
I know are not a fan, but can you try out the stop-start and give us your thoughts on it during normal driving.
My F30 335i is supposed to start production next week!
Have tested Start/Stop in a 535i. Uncanny how well it works. In F30, same S/S implementation and no reason not to use it ... OTOH, no compelling reason TO use it either IMHO and so I choose not to. But YMMV and I'm running out of acronyms and let's leave it there.
Bruce128iC commented: February 9, 2012, 7:49 pm
How's the turbo lag?
Rubber Ducky commented: February 9, 2012, 7:59 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce128iC
How's the turbo lag?
Ain't none. This is my fourth N54(3)/N55 mill and even a hint of turbo lag is really really hard to detect. It's just not there.
pyao88 commented: February 9, 2012, 8:29 pm
What's the brand of 3G RFT that it came with? It should be more supple than your previous 3-series?
Bruce128iC commented: February 9, 2012, 8:29 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubber Ducky
Ain't none. This is my fourth N54(3)/N55 mill and even a hint of turbo lag is really really hard to detect. It's just not there.
That's good to hear. My 2008 335i had terrible turbo lag. The engine and auto transmission did not work well together at all.
Rubber Ducky commented: February 9, 2012, 8:33 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by pyao88
What's the brand of 3G RFT that it came with? It should be more supple than your previous 3-series?
Continentals - ContiSport Contact SSR.
justinnum1 commented: February 9, 2012, 8:40 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubber Ducky
Continentals - ContiSport Contact SSR.
Was happy to see these on the demo red sportline, tho i have seen someones car(sporltine) come with goodyear efficientgrip tires...looked more all season than summer...
gizmo jean commented: February 10, 2012, 11:14 am
RD, thanks for the report. Glad to read the sportiness has remained (M3 characteristics). However, can you decribe the level of comfort when just driving normally. E9x versions were known for crashing over bumps and transmitting every road irregularity though the chassis. Is the F30 any more refined? Again, thanks for the great report.
Rubber Ducky commented: February 10, 2012, 11:28 am
Quote:
Originally Posted by gizmo jean
RD, thanks for the report. Glad to read the sportiness has remained (M3 characteristics). However, can you decribe the level of comfort when just driving normally. E9x versions were known for crashing over bumps and transmitting every road irregularity though the chassis. Is the F30 any more refined? Again, thanks for the great report.
Not enough miles for definitive report but seems less cushy than last 535i. But nothing upsetting so far. I think this is dialed in pretty good for normal US driving ... and for the twisties.
gizmo jean commented: February 10, 2012, 12:17 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubber Ducky
Not enough miles for definitive report but seems less cushy than last 535i. But nothing upsetting so far. I think this is dialed in pretty good for normal US driving ... and for the twisties.
Good to hear there is nothing upsetting so far. But you also compared it to a 535i. I would expect it to be less cushy than a 535i. I'm hoping that the F30 sport is more refined (for lack of a better word), not necessarily more cushy, than an E90 with the sport suspension. Cushy can always be dialed in or out with the adpative suspension option.
AutoUnion commented: February 10, 2012, 12:24 pm
pics!
Congrats. It's fantastic how economical the 335i has become
smashhell commented: February 12, 2012, 8:10 pm
Just wondering,
What would your monthly lease payment be?
F30owner commented: February 12, 2012, 10:04 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubber Ducky
Picked up the car yesterday. No surprises. 36-mo/12K lease; residual 64%; MF .00146 (w/ 7 MSDs). Monroney attached.
10th BMW, including E36 318ti MT, E46 330I ZHP MT, E93 335i auto, and - just turned in - 2010 E89 Z4 s35i DCT. With last two, used paddles exclusively. 3 BMW Performance Driving Schools, including Advanced M at VIR. Other car is 2011 Corvette Grand Sport vert MT.
Summary: the F30 335i is an awesome sedan. Entirely pleased with every aspect. Major advances in switchgear, displays, instrumentation. In 100 miles of urban/suburban driving, car is agile and quick - point and shoot.
Details (in no order)...
Steering is light but focused. Variable sport steering really works in tight places and is non-intrusive on the road. Steering wheel is small in diameter and leather is graining and grippable - not as good for me as the M-wheel, but in that direction.
Seats very good. Again, grainy and grippy leather. Rear outside headrests get in the field of view to rear but easily removed. Center rear headrest folds down. Small net pocket back of front seats. Fold-down rear is good.
Handling is really splendid. Feels like an M-3. Nothing more to say: it feels like an M-3.
Has an airy greenhouse and upright seating position; very commanding control of where the car is going and what's going on around it. Excellent mirrors.
HUD is good; better than in '09 535i. Works with polaroids, though must roll head a bit to the right under bright conditions. Have not seen the 'color' aspect - just looks mono to me. NAV in HUD is good but smallish font. No gear-position, turn signals. Good for cruise control display. Still nowhere near as good as GM's in my C6, though.
Gages and displays are excellent, a step-jump ahead of last generation BMWs (such as my Z4). Controls and switchgear also very good - no complaints, no issues.
Cruise control moves from a stalk to the left side of steering wheel, but is even easier to use than the (excellent) stalk. Very intuitive.
H-K sound system seems fine.
Car is quiet, but have not had it at freeway speeds.
iDrive nails it: intuitive, fully functional, great flexibility.
NAV system is a bit dark in the display but functionality continues to be very good. Resets almost instantly when deviating from planned route (speed to reset really noticeable compared with previous generations). Same voice. For those not experienced with it, the ability to send a destination from Google Maps on a computer to the NAV system via BMW Assist is almost worth the price of admission in itself.
Car's external look is fine. It's a sedan. It's a BMW sedan. It looks like a BMW 3-series sedan, with enough sheet-metal tweaks to differentiate it from earlier models. Front end looks burly. Front license plate holder better in person than discussed earlier (but will remove it as soon as someone posts a non-destructive method). Interior is very functional and looks high quality everywhere.
The camera package seems top-notch at first use, but still will take time to get full utility from. I'd order it again.
Trunk is roomy, has a couple cubbies beneath the floor, a net hold-down, net side pocket. Cargo tiedowns (hefty)
Much internal storage - door, big glove compartment, not-big center armrest. Cup holders are very deep - have switched to a tall BMW driving cup rather than rely on dexterity to keep from smooshing a Starbucks cup full of hot coffee lifting it out. Be careful.
iPod hooks up immediately and gives full functionality through the display screen. You'll need a dongle - I've had a couple around so no prob but did not see one with the new car.
Comfort Access kick-under-the-trunk works when you do it right, Only slightly tricky.
Display screen seems natural where it is and is unobtrusive.
BMW Apps? Beats me. Gonna have to research that to figure out what the hell I bought.
The Adaptive M Suspension is same is in Z4, with addition of ECO-PRO (if anyone ever uses this, post something; won't be me; ditto on Stop/Start - I always turn it off). My continuing view is the Sport+ is a track mode, pure and simple, but Sport is great, improving throttle response, tightening up the suspension, and giving more steering wheel feedback. Only way to go. Comfort is for ... I don't know what it's for.
Best for last: the 8-speed automatic transmission is a wonder. Seamless and knows just what gear to be in and when to shift. Shifts are instantaneous and torque converter locks throughout the speed range almost from a dead stop; I judge this even faster than my Z4's DCT and equally tight. Have experimented with Manual mode and the paddles. Like the M-3-like paddle arrangement over the push-down, pull up of the Z4 and E9x autos and DCTs. But! But full automatic, D and Sport, is so good on rev range and shifting and drivability that I intend to do all my driving in full automatic. Trust me, you have to work really hard to shift as well as the auto mode with this transmission. I'll leave the manual-vs-auto argument to others; I like both but am most happy I bought this 8-speed.
You've really gots to read the manual (how to open hood; trunk switch in glovebox, etc.)
Comments and questions welcome. No pics - the launch-model Sport Line photos in Melbourne Red are what I have.
That's a great MF, can you tell me which dealer is giving you that ? Thanks
Rubber Ducky commented: February 13, 2012, 7:16 am
Quote:
Originally Posted by F30owner
That's a great MF, can you tell me which dealer is giving you that ? Thanks
MF above should be available to anyone if:
Tier One credit,
7 MSDs, and
No dealer bump to the MF
My lease is through The Imported Car Store in Melbourne FL Is my tenth Bimmer from them and totally pleased with every aspect of the dealership.
AK commented: February 16, 2012, 6:45 pm
Jeez, these cars are getting expensive...
pilotman commented: February 16, 2012, 8:56 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by AK
Jeez, these cars are getting expensive...
yeah...you like that? A $56,000 three series.
no wonder people aren't buying anymore...you can make a solid six figure salary and spend HALF of your annual income on a three series.
Which of course violates common sense, and all generally accepted notions of how much of your salary should be allocated to housing costs, car costs, etc.
mr_clueless commented: February 17, 2012, 10:02 am
Quote:
Originally Posted by pilotman
yeah...you like that? A $56,000 three series.
no wonder people aren't buying anymore...you can make a solid six figure salary and spend HALF of your annual income on a three series.
Which of course violates common sense, and all generally accepted notions of how much of your salary should be allocated to housing costs, car costs, etc.
250K is the new 100K.
AK commented: February 17, 2012, 2:05 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by pilotman
yeah...you like that? A $56,000 three series.
no wonder people aren't buying anymore...you can make a solid six figure salary and spend HALF of your annual income on a three series.
Which of course violates common sense, and all generally accepted notions of how much of your salary should be allocated to housing costs, car costs, etc.
Unless you've got money to burn it's hard to justify buying anything beyond a 4-cylinder Honda Accord, which by all accounts will be comfortable and reliable transportation with very low ownership costs. BMWs are about want, not need. Still, when considering an F30 as a potential replacement for my E90, the numbers don't add up. It's probably a better car in most categories but I doubt it's "better enough" to justify what it would cost me to upgrade. In the end, just like it did originally with my E90, it will probably come down to the right combination of factory incentives, low lease rates and European Delivery that would get me to switch. If you get a good deal on that stuff it tends to mask the sticker cost.
BTW, my 335i had a MSRP of about $47K. To get a comparably-optioned F30, the sticker would be about $52K.
tagheuer commented: February 17, 2012, 4:21 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_clueless
250K is the new 100K.
and what percentage of the population earns that much? I went to a Big Ten law school (university of michigan), graduated near the top of my class, and have a job at one of the top firms in metro detroit...and I know what lawyers make...
Don't get me wrong, I love cars, I love BMWs (have had a bunch over the years)...but I think its foolish to spend $60k on a 3 series...
especially after what just happened in the economy, and now that I have two kids with projected college costs that are through the roof.
I sincerely doubt most people leasing have as much cash as they should...
If you make $150k a year, do you have 6 months salary IN LIQUID CASH in case you lose your job?
Also, are you FULLY FUNDING 401k, college savings plan, etc?
328 or for me please!
johnc_22 commented: February 17, 2012, 4:41 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by tagheuer
328 or for me please!
Optioned similarly the 328i is not that much less expensive than the 335i. I do agree, these cars have gotten ridiculously expensive and I think BMW will have a harder time justifying the premium over the competition. This won't stop Americans from buying/leasing cars they can't afford.
Rubber Ducky commented: February 17, 2012, 5:37 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnc_22
Optioned similarly the 328i is not that much less expensive than the 335i. I do agree, these cars have gotten ridiculously expensive and I think BMW will have a harder time justifying the premium over the competition. This won't stop Americans from buying/leasing cars they can't afford.
Analysis of the cost of an F30 without consideration for the high residual/resale is faulty economics.
AutoUnion commented: February 17, 2012, 5:52 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubber Ducky
Analysis of the cost of an F30 without consideration for the high residual/resale is faulty economics.
You must mean the artificially BMW subsidized inflated residuals that they sell leases on. I can't think of A single place where these off lease cars are actually worth what the residuals say they're worth.
These inflated residuals make BMWs affordable to own, but kill resale in the long run
Rubber Ducky commented: February 17, 2012, 5:55 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoUnion
You must mean the artificially BMW subsidized inflated residuals that they sell leases on. I can't think of A single place where these off lease cars are actually worth what the residuals say they're worth.
These inflated residuals make BMWs affordable to own, but kill resale in the long run
But since in a lease you are buying depreciation, the higher the residual the lower the 'purchase' price. If the fiscal air is too rarified, suggest a lower altitude.
CFL335i commented: February 17, 2012, 8:39 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by tagheuer
and what percentage of the population earns that much? I went to a Big Ten law school (university of michigan), graduated near the top of my class, and have a job at one of the top firms in metro detroit...and I know what lawyers make...
Don't get me wrong, I love cars, I love BMWs (have had a bunch over the years)...but I think its foolish to spend $60k on a 3 series...
especially after what just happened in the economy, and now that I have two kids with projected college costs that are through the roof.
I sincerely doubt most people leasing have as much cash as they should...
If you make $150k a year, do you have 6 months salary IN LIQUID CASH in case you lose your job?
Also, are you FULLY FUNDING 401k, college savings plan, etc?
328 or for me please!
Thats how I felt when I bought my 5 series LOL, "maybe that wasn't the brightest idea". I tried justifying it by the .9% APR in 2009.
tagheuer commented: February 17, 2012, 8:43 pm
agree with Rubber Ducky, the subsidized BMW leases make driving a $60k 3 series tolerable...
But that's exactly my point, in the other thread about the poster asking why everyone leases...well....that's why....because not many people can truly afford to buy one.
Take a $56k 3 series, put $10k down, finance over 5 years at 4% interest = $847.16 per month.....on a straight finance...
good lord...
Could I afford that on my fancy lawyer salary, sure, it wouldn't drastically change my lifestyle, I'll still go out to dinner, drink Woodford Reserve instead of Jack Daniels, etc.
But that's also $900 a month I'm not putting into some sort of investment, or saving for college, etc. etc.
I lease too, usually ED, and have been able to always get a BMW for $400 a month or even less, with the whole MSD program and all that..
pyao88 commented: February 18, 2012, 10:28 am
Depends on the mileage driven, after 5 years what would that car worth? 15k / 60 months = $250 / months 847 - 250 = about $600. $10k down is another $166/month equivalent.
However you need to compare with $0 down finance and $0 down lease.
You also pay tax on full amount with purchase vs partial on lease (depends on state), and you only get some tax benefit back if you trade in to purchase another car.
Not to mention out of warranty or payment for extended warranty/maint.
I guess people who are handy or have access to a good independent mechanic would make sense to purchase.
You get more value with a non-optioned 3 series after 5 years so finance.
pony_trekker commented: February 18, 2012, 12:26 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by tagheuer
Take a $56k 3 series, put $10k down, finance over 5 years at 4% interest = $847.16 per month.....on a straight finance...
good lord...
Put that 56k into verizon stock and yield is $250 a month if not for those pesky taxes.
CFL335i commented: February 18, 2012, 3:10 pm
Back to topic...I have only driven cars with the N54, How does your N55 F30 compare to your E60 N54?
AutoUnion commented: February 18, 2012, 4:14 pm
I had a 328i sport line park next to me last night. Looked fantastic. The weird angles of the front look great in real life
AutoUnion commented: February 18, 2012, 4:51 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jzcrna
Back to topic...I have only driven cars with the N54, How does your N55 F30 compare to your E60 N54?
I've driven both back to back during one of those BMW test drive events for a while. Quick difference is that the N54 is definitely stronger and has less turbo lag, but the N55 seems to rev higher. I remember looking at dynos that said that N55 makes a good amount less power than the N54
Rubber Ducky commented: February 19, 2012, 9:28 am
Took a drive to Orlando yesterday. Freeway, city traffic. The 335i was magnificent - best driving car for the real world ever.
Driving Mode: Have settled on D Sport, full automatic for regular driving. 8-speed is uncanny, always in right gear, gobs of torque always there. Cruising I may shift to Comfort for the mileage but downshift with the paddles to get around slower traffic etc. Have tried paddles-only enough to believe that - fun as it may be - it's not the way to get the most from the car. Manual transmission? that's what my Corvette is for...
Big upgrade to the Nav system in F30. Twice yesterday it steered me around a traffic mess, big congestion going south-to-north in Orlando and Winter Park and a closed Beeline heading back to the beach. Aside route finding, the traffic feature is great for giving early warnings of trouble ahead and finding the best way around it. And, as said before but still impressive, it updates instantly if you deviate from its preferred routing. Timing of its voice directions is spot-on - seemed to lag in earlier versions.
Seats are splendid - best in my 10 BMWs. Excellent view out.
HUD also really good. Constant presentation of Nav info. The wheelie button on the right side steering wheel is interesting - info it generates also shows in HUD for a bit.
BMW Apps seem worthless unless you're going to actually plug in your smart phone (as opposed to Bluetooth connectivity and leave it in your pocket).
iDrive even more intuitive than earlier versions.
I continue to assert that the car handles like an M3. Point-and-shoot. this car just goes where you want when you want as fast as you want.
Adaptive sport steering gives the steering a great feel in tight places and twisties.
Looks like around 24.0 mpg for mostly city driving.
I turn off the Stop/Start every time. Works fine but strikes me as one step too weird. Ditto ECO-Pro. Wanna save gas? Stay home.
Storage very good in the cabin (don't miss the little pooka to left of steering wheel). Big net in back held down a propane jug nicely. Fold-down seats easy to use. Mirror coverage is fine. control displays very good (white in daylight, red at night).
One problem with the car as delivered: the vent-blower fan is unbalanced at high rpms and sounds like a helo lifting off. New one coming from Germany. As always a great service operation at Melbourne BMW (new name for The Imported Car Store and complete facility overhaul in progress).
CFL335i commented: February 19, 2012, 12:12 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubber Ducky
Took a drive to Orlando yesterday. Freeway, city traffic. The 335i was magnificent - best driving car for the real world ever.
Driving Mode: Have settled on D Sport, full automatic for regular driving. 8-speed is uncanny, always in right gear, gobs of torque always there. Cruising I may shift to Comfort for the mileage but downshift with the paddles to get around slower traffic etc. Have tried paddles-only enough to believe that - fun as it may be - it's not the way to get the most from the car. Manual transmission? that's what my Corvette is for...
Big upgrade to the Nav system in F30. Twice yesterday it steered me around a traffic mess, big congestion going south-to-north in Orlando and Winter Park and a closed Beeline heading back to the beach. Aside route finding, the traffic feature is great for giving early warnings of trouble ahead and finding the best way around it. And, as said before but still impressive, it updates instantly if you deviate from its preferred routing. Timing of its voice directions is spot-on - seemed to lag in earlier versions.
Seats are splendid - best in my 10 BMWs. Excellent view out.
HUD also really good. Constant presentation of Nav info. The wheelie button on the right side steering wheel is interesting - info it generates also shows in HUD for a bit.
BMW Apps seem worthless unless you're going to actually plug in your smart phone (as opposed to Bluetooth connectivity and leave it in your pocket).
iDrive even more intuitive than earlier versions.
I continue to assert that the car handles like an M3. Point-and-shoot. this car just goes where you want when you want as fast as you want.
Adaptive sport steering gives the steering a great feel in tight places and twisties.
Looks like around 24.0 mpg for mostly city driving.
I turn off the Stop/Start every time. Works fine but strikes me as one step too weird. Ditto ECO-Pro. Wanna save gas? Stay home.
Storage very good in the cabin (don't miss the little pooka to left of steering wheel). Big net in back held down a propane jug nicely. Fold-down seats easy to use. Mirror coverage is fine. control displays very good (white in daylight, red at night).
One problem with the car as delivered: the vent-blower fan is unbalanced at high rpms and sounds like a helo lifting off. New one coming from Germany. As always a great service operation at Melbourne BMW (new name for The Imported Car Store and complete facility overhaul in progress).
At first I was getting nervous about getting the 335i vs. the 328i, but I think I made the right decision.
I spend tons of time on the highway in Orlando on speeds in excess of 75mph and need the high end power to pass on demand.
Have you noticed a significant difference in power between the N54 and N55 engine?
Rubber Ducky commented: February 19, 2012, 12:23 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jzcrna
At first I was getting nervous about getting the 335i vs. the 328i, but I think I made the right decision.
I spend tons of time on the highway in Orlando on speeds in excess of 75mph and need the high end power to pass on demand.
Have you noticed a significant difference in power between the N54 and N55 engine?
Have had three N54s and now this N55. My take: there might be the tiniest lag in the N55 ... but it feels like throttle lag, not turbo and you have to look for it even then. The N55 seems to spool up faster...
February 9, 2012, 4:37 pm
Thanks! Sounds awesome! enjoy it!
February 9, 2012, 4:38 pm
Awesome write up. Glad to see some real reviews rolling in.
Super jealous considering the bimmerfest.com 328i is just getting off loaded from a ship in NY today.
February 9, 2012, 4:45 pm
A damn good review. Thanks!
February 9, 2012, 5:21 pm
Real nice writeup. The exact same build as mine will be minus the window shades.
February 9, 2012, 6:11 pm
Nice write up. Thanks for taking the time.
I know are not a fan, but can you try out the stop-start and give us your thoughts on it during normal driving.
My F30 335i is supposed to start production next week!
February 9, 2012, 6:15 pm
Great review, informative and gave me a few chuckles as well!
February 9, 2012, 6:43 pm
I know are not a fan, but can you try out the stop-start and give us your thoughts on it during normal driving.
My F30 335i is supposed to start production next week!
February 9, 2012, 7:49 pm
How's the turbo lag?
February 9, 2012, 7:59 pm
February 9, 2012, 8:29 pm
What's the brand of 3G RFT that it came with? It should be more supple than your previous 3-series?
February 9, 2012, 8:29 pm
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February 10, 2012, 11:14 am
RD, thanks for the report. Glad to read the sportiness has remained (M3 characteristics). However, can you decribe the level of comfort when just driving normally. E9x versions were known for crashing over bumps and transmitting every road irregularity though the chassis. Is the F30 any more refined? Again, thanks for the great report.
February 10, 2012, 11:28 am
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February 10, 2012, 12:24 pm
pics!
Congrats. It's fantastic how economical the 335i has become
February 12, 2012, 8:10 pm
Just wondering,
What would your monthly lease payment be?
February 12, 2012, 10:04 pm
10th BMW, including E36 318ti MT, E46 330I ZHP MT, E93 335i auto, and - just turned in - 2010 E89 Z4 s35i DCT. With last two, used paddles exclusively. 3 BMW Performance Driving Schools, including Advanced M at VIR. Other car is 2011 Corvette Grand Sport vert MT.
Summary: the F30 335i is an awesome sedan. Entirely pleased with every aspect. Major advances in switchgear, displays, instrumentation. In 100 miles of urban/suburban driving, car is agile and quick - point and shoot.
Details (in no order)...
Steering is light but focused. Variable sport steering really works in tight places and is non-intrusive on the road. Steering wheel is small in diameter and leather is graining and grippable - not as good for me as the M-wheel, but in that direction.
Seats very good. Again, grainy and grippy leather. Rear outside headrests get in the field of view to rear but easily removed. Center rear headrest folds down. Small net pocket back of front seats. Fold-down rear is good.
Handling is really splendid. Feels like an M-3. Nothing more to say: it feels like an M-3.
Has an airy greenhouse and upright seating position; very commanding control of where the car is going and what's going on around it. Excellent mirrors.
HUD is good; better than in '09 535i. Works with polaroids, though must roll head a bit to the right under bright conditions. Have not seen the 'color' aspect - just looks mono to me. NAV in HUD is good but smallish font. No gear-position, turn signals. Good for cruise control display. Still nowhere near as good as GM's in my C6, though.
Gages and displays are excellent, a step-jump ahead of last generation BMWs (such as my Z4). Controls and switchgear also very good - no complaints, no issues.
Cruise control moves from a stalk to the left side of steering wheel, but is even easier to use than the (excellent) stalk. Very intuitive.
H-K sound system seems fine.
Car is quiet, but have not had it at freeway speeds.
iDrive nails it: intuitive, fully functional, great flexibility.
NAV system is a bit dark in the display but functionality continues to be very good. Resets almost instantly when deviating from planned route (speed to reset really noticeable compared with previous generations). Same voice. For those not experienced with it, the ability to send a destination from Google Maps on a computer to the NAV system via BMW Assist is almost worth the price of admission in itself.
Car's external look is fine. It's a sedan. It's a BMW sedan. It looks like a BMW 3-series sedan, with enough sheet-metal tweaks to differentiate it from earlier models. Front end looks burly. Front license plate holder better in person than discussed earlier (but will remove it as soon as someone posts a non-destructive method). Interior is very functional and looks high quality everywhere.
The camera package seems top-notch at first use, but still will take time to get full utility from. I'd order it again.
Trunk is roomy, has a couple cubbies beneath the floor, a net hold-down, net side pocket. Cargo tiedowns (hefty)
Much internal storage - door, big glove compartment, not-big center armrest. Cup holders are very deep - have switched to a tall BMW driving cup rather than rely on dexterity to keep from smooshing a Starbucks cup full of hot coffee lifting it out. Be careful.
iPod hooks up immediately and gives full functionality through the display screen. You'll need a dongle - I've had a couple around so no prob but did not see one with the new car.
Comfort Access kick-under-the-trunk works when you do it right, Only slightly tricky.
Display screen seems natural where it is and is unobtrusive.
BMW Apps? Beats me. Gonna have to research that to figure out what the hell I bought.
The Adaptive M Suspension is same is in Z4, with addition of ECO-PRO (if anyone ever uses this, post something; won't be me; ditto on Stop/Start - I always turn it off). My continuing view is the Sport+ is a track mode, pure and simple, but Sport is great, improving throttle response, tightening up the suspension, and giving more steering wheel feedback. Only way to go. Comfort is for ... I don't know what it's for.
Best for last: the 8-speed automatic transmission is a wonder. Seamless and knows just what gear to be in and when to shift. Shifts are instantaneous and torque converter locks throughout the speed range almost from a dead stop; I judge this even faster than my Z4's DCT and equally tight. Have experimented with Manual mode and the paddles. Like the M-3-like paddle arrangement over the push-down, pull up of the Z4 and E9x autos and DCTs. But! But full automatic, D and Sport, is so good on rev range and shifting and drivability that I intend to do all my driving in full automatic. Trust me, you have to work really hard to shift as well as the auto mode with this transmission. I'll leave the manual-vs-auto argument to others; I like both but am most happy I bought this 8-speed.
You've really gots to read the manual (how to open hood; trunk switch in glovebox, etc.)
Comments and questions welcome. No pics - the launch-model Sport Line photos in Melbourne Red are what I have.
February 13, 2012, 7:16 am
- Tier One credit,
- 7 MSDs, and
- No dealer bump to the MF
My lease is through The Imported Car Store in Melbourne FL Is my tenth Bimmer from them and totally pleased with every aspect of the dealership.February 16, 2012, 6:45 pm
Jeez, these cars are getting expensive...
February 16, 2012, 8:56 pm
no wonder people aren't buying anymore...you can make a solid six figure salary and spend HALF of your annual income on a three series.
Which of course violates common sense, and all generally accepted notions of how much of your salary should be allocated to housing costs, car costs, etc.
February 17, 2012, 10:02 am
no wonder people aren't buying anymore...you can make a solid six figure salary and spend HALF of your annual income on a three series.
Which of course violates common sense, and all generally accepted notions of how much of your salary should be allocated to housing costs, car costs, etc.
February 17, 2012, 2:05 pm
no wonder people aren't buying anymore...you can make a solid six figure salary and spend HALF of your annual income on a three series.
Which of course violates common sense, and all generally accepted notions of how much of your salary should be allocated to housing costs, car costs, etc.
BTW, my 335i had a MSRP of about $47K. To get a comparably-optioned F30, the sticker would be about $52K.
February 17, 2012, 4:21 pm
Don't get me wrong, I love cars, I love BMWs (have had a bunch over the years)...but I think its foolish to spend $60k on a 3 series...
especially after what just happened in the economy, and now that I have two kids with projected college costs that are through the roof.
I sincerely doubt most people leasing have as much cash as they should...
If you make $150k a year, do you have 6 months salary IN LIQUID CASH in case you lose your job?
Also, are you FULLY FUNDING 401k, college savings plan, etc?
328 or for me please!
February 17, 2012, 4:41 pm
February 17, 2012, 5:37 pm
February 17, 2012, 5:52 pm
These inflated residuals make BMWs affordable to own, but kill resale in the long run
February 17, 2012, 5:55 pm
These inflated residuals make BMWs affordable to own, but kill resale in the long run
February 17, 2012, 8:39 pm
Don't get me wrong, I love cars, I love BMWs (have had a bunch over the years)...but I think its foolish to spend $60k on a 3 series...
especially after what just happened in the economy, and now that I have two kids with projected college costs that are through the roof.
I sincerely doubt most people leasing have as much cash as they should...
If you make $150k a year, do you have 6 months salary IN LIQUID CASH in case you lose your job?
Also, are you FULLY FUNDING 401k, college savings plan, etc?
328 or for me please!
February 17, 2012, 8:43 pm
agree with Rubber Ducky, the subsidized BMW leases make driving a $60k 3 series tolerable...
But that's exactly my point, in the other thread about the poster asking why everyone leases...well....that's why....because not many people can truly afford to buy one.
Take a $56k 3 series, put $10k down, finance over 5 years at 4% interest = $847.16 per month.....on a straight finance...
good lord...
Could I afford that on my fancy lawyer salary, sure, it wouldn't drastically change my lifestyle, I'll still go out to dinner, drink Woodford Reserve instead of Jack Daniels, etc.
But that's also $900 a month I'm not putting into some sort of investment, or saving for college, etc. etc.
I lease too, usually ED, and have been able to always get a BMW for $400 a month or even less, with the whole MSD program and all that..
February 18, 2012, 10:28 am
Depends on the mileage driven, after 5 years what would that car worth? 15k / 60 months = $250 / months 847 - 250 = about $600. $10k down is another $166/month equivalent.
However you need to compare with $0 down finance and $0 down lease.
You also pay tax on full amount with purchase vs partial on lease (depends on state), and you only get some tax benefit back if you trade in to purchase another car.
Not to mention out of warranty or payment for extended warranty/maint.
I guess people who are handy or have access to a good independent mechanic would make sense to purchase.
You get more value with a non-optioned 3 series after 5 years so finance.
February 18, 2012, 12:26 pm
Take a $56k 3 series, put $10k down, finance over 5 years at 4% interest = $847.16 per month.....on a straight finance...
good lord...
February 18, 2012, 3:10 pm
Back to topic...I have only driven cars with the N54, How does your N55 F30 compare to your E60 N54?
February 18, 2012, 4:14 pm
I had a 328i sport line park next to me last night. Looked fantastic. The weird angles of the front look great in real life
February 18, 2012, 4:51 pm
February 19, 2012, 9:28 am
Took a drive to Orlando yesterday. Freeway, city traffic. The 335i was magnificent - best driving car for the real world ever.
Driving Mode: Have settled on D Sport, full automatic for regular driving. 8-speed is uncanny, always in right gear, gobs of torque always there. Cruising I may shift to Comfort for the mileage but downshift with the paddles to get around slower traffic etc. Have tried paddles-only enough to believe that - fun as it may be - it's not the way to get the most from the car. Manual transmission? that's what my Corvette is for...
Big upgrade to the Nav system in F30. Twice yesterday it steered me around a traffic mess, big congestion going south-to-north in Orlando and Winter Park and a closed Beeline heading back to the beach. Aside route finding, the traffic feature is great for giving early warnings of trouble ahead and finding the best way around it. And, as said before but still impressive, it updates instantly if you deviate from its preferred routing. Timing of its voice directions is spot-on - seemed to lag in earlier versions.
Seats are splendid - best in my 10 BMWs. Excellent view out.
HUD also really good. Constant presentation of Nav info. The wheelie button on the right side steering wheel is interesting - info it generates also shows in HUD for a bit.
BMW Apps seem worthless unless you're going to actually plug in your smart phone (as opposed to Bluetooth connectivity and leave it in your pocket).
iDrive even more intuitive than earlier versions.
I continue to assert that the car handles like an M3. Point-and-shoot. this car just goes where you want when you want as fast as you want.
Adaptive sport steering gives the steering a great feel in tight places and twisties.
Looks like around 24.0 mpg for mostly city driving.
I turn off the Stop/Start every time. Works fine but strikes me as one step too weird. Ditto ECO-Pro. Wanna save gas? Stay home.
Storage very good in the cabin (don't miss the little pooka to left of steering wheel). Big net in back held down a propane jug nicely. Fold-down seats easy to use. Mirror coverage is fine. control displays very good (white in daylight, red at night).
One problem with the car as delivered: the vent-blower fan is unbalanced at high rpms and sounds like a helo lifting off. New one coming from Germany. As always a great service operation at Melbourne BMW (new name for The Imported Car Store and complete facility overhaul in progress).
February 19, 2012, 12:12 pm
Driving Mode: Have settled on D Sport, full automatic for regular driving. 8-speed is uncanny, always in right gear, gobs of torque always there. Cruising I may shift to Comfort for the mileage but downshift with the paddles to get around slower traffic etc. Have tried paddles-only enough to believe that - fun as it may be - it's not the way to get the most from the car. Manual transmission? that's what my Corvette is for...
Big upgrade to the Nav system in F30. Twice yesterday it steered me around a traffic mess, big congestion going south-to-north in Orlando and Winter Park and a closed Beeline heading back to the beach. Aside route finding, the traffic feature is great for giving early warnings of trouble ahead and finding the best way around it. And, as said before but still impressive, it updates instantly if you deviate from its preferred routing. Timing of its voice directions is spot-on - seemed to lag in earlier versions.
Seats are splendid - best in my 10 BMWs. Excellent view out.
HUD also really good. Constant presentation of Nav info. The wheelie button on the right side steering wheel is interesting - info it generates also shows in HUD for a bit.
BMW Apps seem worthless unless you're going to actually plug in your smart phone (as opposed to Bluetooth connectivity and leave it in your pocket).
iDrive even more intuitive than earlier versions.
I continue to assert that the car handles like an M3. Point-and-shoot. this car just goes where you want when you want as fast as you want.
Adaptive sport steering gives the steering a great feel in tight places and twisties.
Looks like around 24.0 mpg for mostly city driving.
I turn off the Stop/Start every time. Works fine but strikes me as one step too weird. Ditto ECO-Pro. Wanna save gas? Stay home.
Storage very good in the cabin (don't miss the little pooka to left of steering wheel). Big net in back held down a propane jug nicely. Fold-down seats easy to use. Mirror coverage is fine. control displays very good (white in daylight, red at night).
One problem with the car as delivered: the vent-blower fan is unbalanced at high rpms and sounds like a helo lifting off. New one coming from Germany. As always a great service operation at Melbourne BMW (new name for The Imported Car Store and complete facility overhaul in progress).
I spend tons of time on the highway in Orlando on speeds in excess of 75mph and need the high end power to pass on demand.
Have you noticed a significant difference in power between the N54 and N55 engine?
February 19, 2012, 12:23 pm
I spend tons of time on the highway in Orlando on speeds in excess of 75mph and need the high end power to pass on demand.
Have you noticed a significant difference in power between the N54 and N55 engine?
My story and sticking to it...