Eyes Free Brings Siri to Your BMW Steering Wheel

by Bimmerfest.com Member - nicewonky on June 11, 2012, 2:28 pm
Watching the WWDC keynote and it mentions that there's plans to integrate Siri into BMWs among other cars via the speech recognition button on the right side of our steering wheels. Even shows a picture of the msport wheel with that button circled out. Sounds like one of the best things to happen to our cars!!

That said, seems like support is only promised within the next 12 months. Wonder if that means it'll only apply to the 2013s with the next-gen Navs or also to current F10s. Anyone have any more info?


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111 responses to Eyes Free Brings Siri to Your BMW Steering Wheel

AutoUnion commented:
June 11, 2012, 2:29 pm

Damn, you beat me to it. I was just going to post this.

Probably going to be the next gen iDrive, which confuses me because MY13s will get an upgraded iDrive. Does this mean Apple just teased another version for the future?

I was considering a X1 or 3 series within the next couple months, but I am holding off. No way will I buy a BMW without all these cool new technologies
nicewonky commented:
June 11, 2012, 2:40 pm

Dang!! And I still had high hopes that it might be a simple BMW Connected Apps update to enable this functionality.
nicewonky commented:
June 11, 2012, 2:44 pm

Hmmm ... it'll be a worthy next upgrade to the iDrive system if they tie it in with the new iOS Maps systems. It already has all the live traffic and dynamic guidance etc. makes perfect sense to build this in together with the Eyes Free integration.
Stealth.Pilot commented:
June 11, 2012, 3:07 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
Damn, you beat me to it. I was just going to post this.

Probably going to be the next gen iDrive, which confuses me because MY13s will get an upgraded iDrive. Does this mean Apple just teased another version for the future?

I was considering a X1 or 3 series within the next couple months, but I am holding off. No way will I buy a BMW without all these cool new technologies
I think it will be MY13 iDrive.
ksoze commented:
June 11, 2012, 3:16 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
No way will I buy a BMW without all these cool new technologies
That can be a viscous circle. The announcements at the WWDC mentioned that the Siri button would be in various cars in the next 12 months - that means sometime in technospeak. I held off a month or two for pending BMW Aops, but I would not have held out for a feature which may be added in a year. I also hold out hope that there could be a backdoor way for Siri to be launched using another standard button in the interim.

My advice is to buy your car when you feel that model meets your needs and price, using boards like this to see where next changes lead. At any point you buy, you will have the latest technology only for that day. The next day the new stuff will begin to be discussed and the cycle begins again.
AutoUnion commented:
June 11, 2012, 3:49 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth.Pilot View Post
I think it will be MY13 iDrive.
Apple quoted about 12 months for Siri integration in cars, so maybe MY14?
AutoUnion commented:
June 11, 2012, 3:49 pm

Side note,

iOS 6 will bring text message support to iDrive finally because Apple has added MAP support in the BT stack

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...one-users.html
ksoze commented:
June 11, 2012, 4:25 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
Side note,

iOS 6 will bring text message support to iDrive finally because Apple has added MAP support in the BT stack

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...one-users.html
I do not see any confirmed reference to BT MAP being included in iOS beta 6, aside from that post from a mustang owner. I hope he was not confused by the map upgrades in iOS 6.
Stealth.Pilot commented:
June 11, 2012, 4:36 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
Apple quoted about 12 months for Siri integration in cars, so maybe MY14?
I interpreted that it would be available from all the car manufacturers listed within 12 months. My guess is that Apple has already been working with BMWs Technology Center in Palo Alto. I would be very surprised if BMW wasn't the first OEM to market over the next 12 months. Apple has always worked very closely with BMW and it is no coincidence that it was a BMW steering wheel in their slide show.

I also reckon this should be possible to offer to everyone with post April 2011 smartphone integration. It's a software thing, not a hardware thing.
chuck92116 commented:
June 11, 2012, 5:17 pm

While it all sounds cool, I bet a dollar to a donut that Siri won't link voice to the iDrive's nav system. Now that would be cool.

i.e, Siri "Find me the nearest starbucks and send to nav"

BMW will still be behind a Ford for gosh sake.
gspannu commented:
June 11, 2012, 6:41 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by ksoze View Post
I do not see any confirmed reference to BT MAP being included in iOS beta 6, aside from that post from a mustang owner. I hope he was not confused by the map upgrades in iOS 6.
I have an Apple Developer account and am downloading iOS6 as I type… I will check this tomorrow morning and post…..
Ace535i commented:
June 11, 2012, 8:07 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by nicewonky View Post
Watching the WWDC keynote and it mentions that there's plans to integrate Siri into BMWs among other cars via the speech recognition button on the right side of our steering wheels. Even shows a picture of the msport wheel with that button circled out. Sounds like one of the best things to happen to our cars!!

That said, seems like support is only promised within the next 12 months. Wonder if that means it'll only apply to the 2013s with the next-gen Navs or also to current F10s. Anyone have any more info?
I saw the announcement on Bimmerpost.com today.

Is there indeed a dedicated button for Siri on the BMW steering wheel?
wdimagineer commented:
June 11, 2012, 8:59 pm

I'm at WWDC at the moment and have talked with a few former Apple colleagues about this. There won't be a dedicated Siri button, but instead the voice button can proxy requests to a compatible iOS device automatically. No concrete timetable but BMW is actively working on it.
ksz commented:
June 12, 2012, 1:26 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by ksoze View Post
I do not see any confirmed reference to BT MAP being included in iOS beta 6, aside from that post from a mustang owner. I hope he was not confused by the map upgrades in iOS 6.
BlueTooth MAP support is there in iOS 6! It was listed in one of the final slides presented by Scott Forestall during the keynote.

Update: fast forward the keynote video to about 1:47:35. It's listed towards the middle-right side of the slide in dim shade of gray.
wdimagineer commented:
June 12, 2012, 1:40 am

Correct. It's there. I'm running the beta but my car is 3,000 miles away. Curious if the car will actually see any additional visible profiles.
gspannu commented:
June 12, 2012, 3:59 am

Good news & bad news on iOS6

I have iOS6 running on an iPhone 4S, my car is a 2012 F10 with latest comms software.

Good News:
The Office menu in the iDrive is actually populated with 3 submenus.
Office Today
Contacts
Messages

Opening Office Today; goes into refresh mode and displays a summary of
Emails
Text messages (SMS)
Service Messages

Bad News:
It always shows 0 messages; does not populate.

Tried sending messages, emails, tried repairing bluetooth phone, removed phone from list, repaired; tried all sorts - but no success.

Will keep trying…..
gspannu commented:
June 12, 2012, 7:01 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdimagineer View Post
Correct. It's there. I'm running the beta but my car is 3,000 miles away. Curious if the car will actually see any additional visible profiles.
Can you check when you get to your car? I tried and I cannot get this to work. Refer above post.
mkossler commented:
June 12, 2012, 7:57 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
Good news & bad news on iOS6

I have iOS6 running on an iPhone 4S, my car is a 2012 F10 with latest comms software.

Good News:
The Office menu in the iDrive is actually populated with 3 submenus.
Office Today
Contacts
Messages

Opening Office Today; goes into refresh mode and displays a summary of
Emails
Text messages (SMS)
Service Messages

Bad News:
It always shows 0 messages; does not populate.

Tried sending messages, emails, tried repairing bluetooth phone, removed phone from list, repaired; tried all sorts - but no success.

Will keep trying…..
It could very well be that they have the integration enabled in the beta, but not the required data mapping code. If you're seeing that menu, it certainly looks like they intend to populate it before they release IOS 6 to the public.
gspannu commented:
June 12, 2012, 8:36 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkossler View Post
It could very well be that they have the integration enabled in the beta, but not the required data mapping code. If you're seeing that menu, it certainly looks like they intend to populate it before they release IOS 6 to the public.
Hmm.. You may very much be correct; a very plausible reasoning… after all, iOS6 is still a beta.

I usually upgrade to a beta as soon as it is made available.

I'll keep a lookout and see how this pans out..
peschwartz61 commented:
June 12, 2012, 9:10 am

Can it be retrofitted in a 328xi?
wdimagineer commented:
June 12, 2012, 2:00 pm

@gspannu: I'll try when I get home on Saturday. I'm here for WWDC all week.

I'm also curious if this means that contact pictures might now work... it's something that Windows Phone 7, some BlackBerries, and some Android devices offer. I know it's silly to most, but I spend a lot of time adding images to my address book. Same with album art for ripped music.

I was playing around with WP7 for a couple days and I have to say it was neat seeing contact pictures appear on the iDrive screen when you received/placed a call.

Hopefully with iOS 6 it means that Apple is easing some of the restrictions a bit.

Did you re-pair your phone for Office to work? I'm not sure if the car can re-request supported profiles from a phone or not.
gspannu commented:
June 13, 2012, 3:18 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdimagineer View Post
@gspannu: I'll try when I get home on Saturday. I'm here for WWDC all week.

I'm also curious if this means that contact pictures might now work... it's something that Windows Phone 7, some BlackBerries, and some Android devices offer. I know it's silly to most, but I spend a lot of time adding images to my address book. Same with album art for ripped music.

I was playing around with WP7 for a couple days and I have to say it was neat seeing contact pictures appear on the iDrive screen when you received/placed a call.

Hopefully with iOS 6 it means that Apple is easing some of the restrictions a bit.

Did you re-pair your phone for Office to work? I'm not sure if the car can re-request supported profiles from a phone or not.
Thanks for the response, I await your test. You are lucky that you can attend WWDC.

I did not need to pair, iDrive just picked it up. I however, did unpaid, repair, remove phone from IDrive, Remove car from iPhone - tried all combos and repaired, but only success was getting a new submenu, with no updates.

Contacts with photos - I too spend ages doing it (& getting them right) … so would be awesome if this works...
AutoUnion commented:
June 13, 2012, 8:42 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth.Pilot View Post
I interpreted that it would be available from all the car manufacturers listed within 12 months. My guess is that Apple has already been working with BMWs Technology Center in Palo Alto. I would be very surprised if BMW wasn't the first OEM to market over the next 12 months. Apple has always worked very closely with BMW and it is no coincidence that it was a BMW steering wheel in their slide show.

I also reckon this should be possible to offer to everyone with post April 2011 smartphone integration. It's a software thing, not a hardware thing.
This is correct. BMW was the first to offer iPod integration a long time ago also.

I remember a couple months ago, MB announced Siri integration in the upcoming A Class, which should be basically the same thing as upcoming iDrive support
bmacedo commented:
June 14, 2012, 6:54 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
Hmm.. You may very much be correct; a very plausible reasoning… after all, iOS6 is still a beta.

I usually upgrade to a beta as soon as it is made available.

I'll keep a lookout and see how this pans out..
I Have Business Navigation, not professional. Do you think Siri will be avaiable in Business ?
gspannu commented:
June 14, 2012, 10:32 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmacedo View Post
I Have Business Navigation, not professional. Do you think Siri will be avaiable in Business ?
I really have no idea…, and to be honest; neither does anyone; unless BMW themselves make a statement… All we do is speculation
mpress commented:
June 14, 2012, 11:13 am

gspannu,

Im running ios6 beta, and it is not currently mapped for office to work in our cars... it will be by public release or even gold beta...

My siri is activating via the voice command button and working incredibly well... far better recognition then before... also utilized turn by turn nav.. had phone synced as BT and all nab commands are flawless, mute iPod music and are delivered through the car sound system...

turn by turn graphics currently do not show up on the dash but may in future beta builds similar to album artwork..(no definitive word yet from cupertino but likely)

the BT/iphone nav and new mapping turn by turn nav is actually more accurate then BMW's, or at least my feb build GT's..... and siri's input can add additional info as you go.. very cool...

mp
bmacedo commented:
June 14, 2012, 11:13 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
I really have no idea…, and to be honest; neither does anyone; unless BMW themselves make a statement… All we do is speculation
Thanks. I have to wait for following news.
nicewonky commented:
June 14, 2012, 5:35 pm

mpress, when you say you can activate Siri using the voice command button, are you referring to the voice command button on the BMW's steering wheel?
sunny_j commented:
June 14, 2012, 8:29 pm

the idrive is now displaying parts of my emails, texts & whatsapp group chat.

text
idrive will not display the contacts name so you don't know who the text is from.



whatsapp group chat
idrive will only display the group chat name and the user sending the message. it will not display the users message.



email
idrive will display user name only. it will not display the emails subject and the message.
alex_c commented:
June 14, 2012, 10:33 pm

This is great news!

I am in San Francisco right now and I already got the iOS 6 beta. Can't wait to get back home to try it in my BMW !!!
gspannu commented:
June 16, 2012, 10:55 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpress View Post
gspannu,

Im running ios6 beta, and it is not currently mapped for office to work in our cars... it will be by public release or even gold beta...

My siri is activating via the voice command button and working incredibly well... far better recognition then before... also utilized turn by turn nav.. had phone synced as BT and all nab commands are flawless, mute iPod music and are delivered through the car sound system...

turn by turn graphics currently do not show up on the dash but may in future beta builds similar to album artwork..(no definitive word yet from cupertino but likely)

the BT/iphone nav and new mapping turn by turn nav is actually more accurate then BMW's, or at least my feb build GT's..... and siri's input can add additional info as you go.. very cool...

mp
@mpress

How do you run Siri through the Voice Button? Can you please write exact steps/ elaborate?
GeneArch commented:
June 18, 2012, 3:04 pm

Not integrated yet... But here's the scoop

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/06...-siri-feature/

As Scott Forstall rattled off a list of Siri’s new capabilities in iOS 6, there was one particular feature that really stood out: Eyes Free. Apple will be teaming up with auto-makers to take its digital assistant act on the road.

But outside of a list of manufacturing partners, and a brief explanation of how Eyes Free will work, not much else has been said about the new feature. How will it be implemented? And when can we expect to see it?

The folks over at Car and Driver decided to go straight to the source to get some answers. The popular auto magazine talked to engineers from both Chevrolet and Mercedes-Benz to get the low-down on Eyes Free.

“It’s important to first point out that Siri is a software change, both for the car and the phone, and not one that affects hardware—existing voice-command buttons will be used to access the system through a Bluetooth connection. According to an engineer we spoke to, Apple’s software development includes a refinement in how Siri deals with high amounts of background noise—the in-car’s single mic can pick up road, wind, and engine noise that makes it difficult for Siri to comprehend command. Apple has somehow solved the problem with the iOS 6 changes that go along with Eyes Free.”

Once an iPhone is paired with a vehicle, users will be able to activate Eyes Free by holding down or double-tapping the car’s built-in voice command button. The activation method will differ slightly from the system’s default, so users can still access the stock voice commands.

Apple says we can expect Eyes Free to hit the market sometime within the next 12 months. But both Chevy and Mercedes seem pretty intent on having Siri-friendly vehicles out by the end of this year.

It may not seem like it yet, but this is a pretty big deal for Apple. It’ll certainly be interesting to see how this plays out.

What do you think? Will Eyes Free be a hit?
wdimagineer commented:
June 18, 2012, 3:09 pm

I spent a lot of time talking to Apple engineers last week - including some of my former colleagues when I worked at the company. I think this will be a big hit. My biggest gripe with Siri in general is her voice. They really need to offer customizable voices, similar to Android. I find myself rarely using it since the novelty wore off because of this.

That said I was pleasantly surprised to see Text/iMessage notifications start appearing in iDrive when I got home. It's still buggy and BMW may need to release a Bluetooth update for full support, but it's one step closer to closing the gap between iPhone and car.
gspannu commented:
June 18, 2012, 3:10 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by alex_c View Post
This is great news!

I am in San Francisco right now and I already got the iOS 6 beta. Can't wait to get back home to try it in my BMW !!!
Alex,

What's your report? Are you able to see SMS or emails?

All I see is the new menus but no content, new emails or SMS do not appear in Idrive. It always reports 0 SMS and 0 emails...
gspannu commented:
June 18, 2012, 3:12 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneArch View Post
Not integrated yet... But here's the scoop

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/06...-siri-feature/

As Scott Forstall rattled off a list of Siri’s new capabilities in iOS 6, there was one particular feature that really stood out: Eyes Free. Apple will be teaming up with auto-makers to take its digital assistant act on the road.

But outside of a list of manufacturing partners, and a brief explanation of how Eyes Free will work, not much else has been said about the new feature. How will it be implemented? And when can we expect to see it?

The folks over at Car and Driver decided to go straight to the source to get some answers. The popular auto magazine talked to engineers from both Chevrolet and Mercedes-Benz to get the low-down on Eyes Free.

“It’s important to first point out that Siri is a software change, both for the car and the phone, and not one that affects hardware—existing voice-command buttons will be used to access the system through a Bluetooth connection. According to an engineer we spoke to, Apple’s software development includes a refinement in how Siri deals with high amounts of background noise—the in-car’s single mic can pick up road, wind, and engine noise that makes it difficult for Siri to comprehend command. Apple has somehow solved the problem with the iOS 6 changes that go along with Eyes Free.”

Once an iPhone is paired with a vehicle, users will be able to activate Eyes Free by holding down or double-tapping the car’s built-in voice command button. The activation method will differ slightly from the system’s default, so users can still access the stock voice commands.

Apple says we can expect Eyes Free to hit the market sometime within the next 12 months. But both Chevy and Mercedes seem pretty intent on having Siri-friendly vehicles out by the end of this year.

It may not seem like it yet, but this is a pretty big deal for Apple. It’ll certainly be interesting to see how this plays out.

What do you think? Will Eyes Free be a hit?
Does this double tap 'voice button' work in the F10 BMW?

@mpress: Can you confirm your method of activating Siri?
wdimagineer commented:
June 18, 2012, 3:36 pm

This is what my screens look like. Just FYI.
gspannu commented:
June 18, 2012, 3:44 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdimagineer View Post
This is what my screens look like. Just FYI.
Would you mind posting what version of idrive/ bluetooth software you have?

I get the first screen, but it always shows 0 messages, 0 emails. The count does not change even if I receive an email/SMS while in the car.
gspannu commented:
June 18, 2012, 4:13 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
Would you mind posting what version of idrive/ bluetooth software you have?

I get the first screen, but it always shows 0 messages, 0 emails. The count does not change even if I receive an email/SMS while in the car.
Can anyone else confirm what version of software they are running?
I'm running
MX 3.5.4 and TX 3.5.4

and although I get the menus the count is always 0.
gspannu commented:
June 18, 2012, 4:15 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
Can anyone else confirm what version of software they are running?
I'm running
MX 3.5.4 and TX 3.5.4

and although I get the menus the count is always 0.
And the count is always 0, even if I get emails/SMS while in the car.
wdimagineer commented:
June 18, 2012, 6:23 pm

I'm running MX and TX 3.5.4. Car build date is 1/2012.
gspannu commented:
June 18, 2012, 6:31 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdimagineer View Post
I'm running MX and TX 3.5.4. Car build date is 1/2012.
Very strange behaviour in my car; as my car is 05/2012… hopefully its just a Beta iOS6 problem and will get resolved in the next Beta update.

Do you have any idea as to how @mpress has managed to get Siri working (as per his post #28)?
wdimagineer commented:
June 18, 2012, 6:36 pm

I have no idea how (or if) he's doing it. I tried double-tapping with no success.
Mobileum commented:
June 19, 2012, 3:17 am

I have tested this, and came to this conclution:

The car ignition must be on and the phone connected in order to get emails/messages. It will not pick up messages or emails that is already stored on the phone prior to connection. I am sure that this is an IOS6 beta issue, and will be fixed,
gspannu commented:
June 19, 2012, 4:11 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpress View Post

Im running ios6 beta, and it is not currently mapped for office to work in our cars... it will be by public release or even gold beta...

My siri is activating via the voice command button and working incredibly well... far better recognition then before... also utilized turn by turn nav.. had phone synced as BT and all nab commands are flawless, mute iPod music and are delivered through the car sound system...

turn by turn graphics currently do not show up on the dash but may in future beta builds similar to album artwork..(no definitive word yet from cupertino but likely)

the BT/iphone nav and new mapping turn by turn nav is actually more accurate then BMW's, or at least my feb build GT's..... and siri's input can add additional info as you go.. very cool...
mp
Since @mpress (Post #28) is not responding; anyone else have any clue how to activate Siri ?
Stealth.Pilot commented:
June 19, 2012, 5:51 am

He's probably busy. Try a PM.
gspannu commented:
June 19, 2012, 6:22 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth.Pilot View Post
He's probably busy. Try a PM.
Have tried PM as well.. You are right; he is probably on holiday or busy…

Well, hopefully someone else would have made this work and will post an update….
DreamCar commented:
June 19, 2012, 7:03 am

Gspannu,
Instead of double tap did you try long press?
gspannu commented:
June 19, 2012, 9:27 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamCar View Post
Gspannu,
Instead of double tap did you try long press?
I have just tried the Long press & Double tap… No result.

Cannot get Siri to activate. Its only the iDrive Voice command that comes up as usual, nothing else.
wdimagineer commented:
June 19, 2012, 9:59 am

I think he's leading us on, personally. The software does not exist for iDrive to trigger Siri.

He may be referring to holding down the Home button, which is how I activate Siri currently.

Office also works for me, though very limited in functionality.
nyranger74 commented:
June 19, 2012, 11:23 am

Anybody who downloaded the iOS 6 beta having trouble with the plug-in?
JEG23 commented:
June 19, 2012, 11:29 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by nyranger74 View Post
Anybody who downloaded the iOS 6 beta having trouble with the plug-in?
@nyranger74,

I am also having problems with the plugin with iOS 6. It is not working consistently. I normally do not use it that much, so I only noticed this during testing. Hopefully is a iOS 6 beta bug that will get fixed.

JEG23
gspannu commented:
June 19, 2012, 11:37 am

I am having a few issues with the Playlists as well. The selected song (shown as selected) in iDrive is different to the on employing (sometimes). it is actually one song above the actual one. Similarly, there is a different song that gets selected for playing if i use the steering wheel scroller to select and play.

These are teething issues with any Beta (I had seen some of these before with iOS 5 as well; so not too worried, will be sorted in final release)
nyranger74 commented:
June 19, 2012, 11:45 am

The apps seem to be working fine (Pandora, MOG, Connected app)

Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Bimmer App
mpress commented:
June 19, 2012, 1:01 pm

Sorry was indeed traveling and absent from bf.

siri long hold down of voice command button WAS working...last week..
When i got home yesterday it no longer was.. but my messages now suddenly started to populate..
Over the last few days my IOS6 has acted up in typical beta form... with going to a reboot apple every time i go to camera app...
this morning i reloaded ios6 and my siri now works again from along hold down of voice command button...but now my messages are not populating again...

Confirmed again that messages will work seamlessly without a bmw software update but could not get an answer regarding what should or shouldn't work with siri...
my buddy at apple thinks the long hold has nothing to do with the phone reacting to car commands instead that siri is just hearing my voice... not sure i believe that as it worked then it didn't then it did

configuration is phoned plugged in with apple sync cable no adapter....

will try and get more infoasap, right now i hear beta 2 scheduled for 26th.
mp
gspannu commented:
June 19, 2012, 2:33 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpress View Post
Sorry was indeed traveling and absent from bf.

siri long hold down of voice command button WAS working...last week..
When i got home yesterday it no longer was.. but my messages now suddenly started to populate..
Over the last few days my IOS6 has acted up in typical beta form... with going to a reboot apple every time i go to camera app...
this morning i reloaded ios6 and my siri now works again from along hold down of voice command button...but now my messages are not populating again...

Confirmed again that messages will work seamlessly without a bmw software update but could not get an answer regarding what should or shouldn't work with siri...
my buddy at apple thinks the long hold has nothing to do with the phone reacting to car commands instead that siri is just hearing my voice... not sure i believe that as it worked then it didn't then it did

configuration is phoned plugged in with apple sync cable no adapter....

will try and get more infoasap, right now i hear beta 2 scheduled for 26th.
mp
Thanks, mpress

I was using the Media Adaptor cradle; will try the standard Apple cable and long press.
Technically should be no different as the functionality is via Bluetooth but maybe the adaptor connections are somehow being utilised by iOS6.

Will give it a go later...
mpress commented:
June 19, 2012, 10:54 pm

gsp,
My concern is that apple and bmw won't really shake hands on this and it will never work as well as it could....
my understanding from my friends at apple is they don't feel BMW really has a handle on bluetooth/office/connect drive/mapping in general and the fact that everyone is unclear about what the BMW technology can and cant do makes it concerning to try and partner technology with them..
supposedly the day after iOS release ford had an entire team at the disposal of apple iOS staff to work on "handshake" of the two technologies..
why won't it surprise me if a $24K dollar ford focus has better connectivity to iOS then our cars....

of course if you have been running beta iOS for a while you know where it starts is not where it ends.....all could get real good by the time we hit golden master..
mp
gspannu commented:
June 20, 2012, 3:58 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpress View Post
gsp,
My concern is that apple and bmw won't really shake hands on this and it will never work as well as it could....
my understanding from my friends at apple is they don't feel BMW really has a handle on bluetooth/office/connect drive/mapping in general and the fact that everyone is unclear about what the BMW technology can and cant do makes it concerning to try and partner technology with them..
supposedly the day after iOS release ford had an entire team at the disposal of apple iOS staff to work on "handshake" of the two technologies..
why won't it surprise me if a $24K dollar ford focus has better connectivity to iOS then our cars....

of course if you have been running beta iOS for a while you know where it starts is not where it ends.....all could get real good by the time we hit golden master..
mp
Yup…. hoping this time around it gets better (especially with Apple's bold announcement during iOS6 regarding BMW).
mpress commented:
June 25, 2012, 11:41 am

Have you noticed when accessing siri via bluetooth in the car that there is a bluetooth icon now showing next to the siri microphone on the iPhone screen??

this too seems to come and go but i noticed it this weekend....

it comes up mentioned a few times in the ios6 beta blog on the developers website..
mp
mpress commented:
June 25, 2012, 3:01 pm

beta 2 is released and is an over the air update 322mbs, apron 35 min depending on your wifi connection.
lets see if it does anything to effect our cars interaction..
mp
nyranger74 commented:
June 25, 2012, 4:32 pm

Do your contacts transfer? Mine don't seem to and no messages either old or new populate.
gspannu commented:
June 25, 2012, 5:07 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpress View Post
beta 2 is released and is an over the air update 322mbs, apron 35 min depending on your wifi connection.
lets see if it does anything to effect our cars interaction..
mp
Downloading beta 2 as I write. Will check tomorrow morning and update...
gspannu commented:
June 25, 2012, 5:10 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpress View Post
Have you noticed when accessing siri via bluetooth in the car that there is a bluetooth icon now showing next to the siri microphone on the iPhone screen??

this too seems to come and go but i noticed it this weekend....

it comes up mentioned a few times in the ios6 beta blog on the developers website..
mp
I have seen this. It appears if there is any Bluetooth device connected to the phone, be it the car or any headset.

My big problem is that I can't activate Siri using the steering wheel button. Tried everything like long press, double press.
How did you get yours to work? Any setting?
nyranger74 commented:
June 25, 2012, 5:46 pm

I downloaded Beta 2, now my contacts transfer, but I can't see any emails or texts. Bummer
mpress commented:
June 25, 2012, 8:47 pm

gsp,
did nothing special just a long hold on my steering wheel button and siri popped up..then stopped...
had a conference call and then torrential downpours and rainbows on my drive home so i totally forgot to pay and see what beta 2 brought us..

haven't seen anything interesting on the developer blog and my buds at apple say mostly bug fixes and a few incidentals.. beta 3 and 4 will bring new items to the mix

mp
gspannu commented:
June 26, 2012, 3:28 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpress View Post
gsp,
did nothing special just a long hold on my steering wheel button and siri popped up..then stopped...
had a conference call and then torrential downpours and rainbows on my drive home so i totally forgot to pay and see what beta 2 brought us..

haven't seen anything interesting on the developer blog and my buds at apple say mostly bug fixes and a few incidentals.. beta 3 and 4 will bring new items to the mix

mp
I have tried the new Beta 2; and as you say, there isn't much different (from the Car integration perspective).

I still cannot get Siri to work? What function/screen is selected in-Drive when you long press the 'Telephone' key on the steering wheel?
All I get is 'No Entries' on my dashboard; when I press/long press/ double press the 'Telephone' key on the steering wheel. (No entries is shown as I do not have any recent dialled list - else it shows the recent dialled list).
Can you send a photo of
1. your i-Drive screen
2. dashboard
when Siri activates or just before activation…

Thanks..
Mobileum commented:
June 26, 2012, 3:37 am

@gspannu

It does not work, and it will not work before BMW define it.
gspannu commented:
June 26, 2012, 3:40 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobileum View Post
@gspannu

It does not work, and it will not work before BMW define it.
mpress seems to suggest that it does work (Post #66).
miotoo commented:
June 26, 2012, 4:11 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
I have seen this. It appears if there is any Bluetooth device connected to the phone, be it the car or any headset.

My big problem is that I can't activate Siri using the steering wheel button. Tried everything like long press, double press.
How did you get yours to work? Any setting?
The control whether to use the BMW/idrive assistant or Siri must be built into idrive...can't see it being done otherwise...
Mobileum commented:
June 26, 2012, 4:31 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpress View Post
gsp,
the day after iOS release ford had an entire team at the disposal of apple iOS staff to work on "handshake" of the two technologies.. why won't it surprise me if a $24K dollar ford focus has better connectivity to iOS then our cars....
Ford was not mentioned at WWDC

Forstall said "A number of auto manufacturers have already committed to deliver eyes-free Siri integration in the next 12 months. BMW, GM, Mercedes, Land Rover, Jaguar, Audi, Toyota, Chysler, and Honda."
Itinj6 commented:
June 26, 2012, 5:48 am

How are you guys getting the beta version of iOS6? I tried googling it and the search yielded a bunch of different websites that say you need some kind of Apple authorization code. Is this true or are you guys downloading it normally from somewhere?

I been praying that Apple one day integrates MAP. My wife's BB with MAP makes me very jealous lol. Even considered getting a BB just for the BMW Office features.
gspannu commented:
June 26, 2012, 6:13 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Itinj6 View Post
How are you guys getting the beta version of iOS6? I tried googling it and the search yielded a bunch of different websites that say you need some kind of Apple authorization code. Is this true or are you guys downloading it normally from somewhere?

I been praying that Apple one day integrates MAP. My wife's BB with MAP makes me very jealous lol. Even considered getting a BB just for the BMW Office features.
I subscribe to the iOS and OS Apple Developer Program (for about £60/ year for each) and this gives me access to Beta versions of upcoming iOS and OS versions.

Having said that, I believe that iOS6 Beta can be downloaded from some sites and has been claimed to work… I have not gone this route so cannot comment.
Itinj6 commented:
June 26, 2012, 6:42 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
I subscribe to the iOS and OS Apple Developer Program (for about £60/ year for each) and this gives me access to Beta versions of upcoming iOS and OS versions.

Having said that, I believe that iOS6 Beta can be downloaded from some sites and has been claimed to work… I have not gone this route so cannot comment.
Thank for the info. Not sure if downloading from those sites is legal and I don't want to do anything illegal so I will see if I can subscribe to the Developer Program.
AutoUnion commented:
June 26, 2012, 8:20 am

Hopefully iOS6 and a new version of iDrive will bring Spotify support to BMW cars
rlaffey commented:
June 26, 2012, 2:10 pm

Okay I've installed beta 2.

I cannot get Siri to work directly from the car no matter what I try, it was the same in beta 1. I've got the latest bluetooth firmware in the car, it's a March 2011 F10.

What I do notice is now when a text comes through it now displays the senders name, previously it was unknown. Still no loading of older text messages though.

I'm only seeing text messages come through and not email or calendar items yet, this could be down to my setup though as I'm running through a Microsoft Exchange account.

So far so good, it's doing the basics, I hope they get the office integration completed for the gold image.
gspannu commented:
June 26, 2012, 6:25 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlaffey View Post
Okay I've installed beta 2.

I cannot get Siri to work directly from the car no matter what I try, it was the same in beta 1. I've got the latest bluetooth firmware in the car, it's a March 2011 F10.

What I do notice is now when a text comes through it now displays the senders name, previously it was unknown. Still no loading of older text messages though.

I'm only seeing text messages come through and not email or calendar items yet, this could be down to my setup though as I'm running through a Microsoft Exchange account.

So far so good, it's doing the basics, I hope they get the office integration completed for the gold image.
I am in exactly the same boat... Can't get Siri to activate.

Seems only 1 person here has had it working intermittently.
ksoze commented:
June 26, 2012, 7:21 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
I am in exactly the same boat... Can't get Siri to activate.
That's why they call it beta.

This feature is due in "in the next twelve months", so its functionality may not necessarily be in the cards for 6.0
gspannu commented:
June 27, 2012, 3:31 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by ksoze View Post
That's why they call it beta.

This feature is due in "in the next twelve months", so its functionality may not necessarily be in the cards for 6.0
Stating the obvious…

The whole point of the forum is to get things working… and if someone has it working in the current version with the current car; then I guess the rest can get this to work as well.
DreamCar commented:
June 27, 2012, 5:28 pm

Just curious but does the office functionlaity work?
JEG23 commented:
June 27, 2012, 5:32 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamCar View Post
Just curious but does the office functionlaity work?
@DreamCar

It sort of works. Right now with beta 2 you get messages while in the car. The sender shows in the message (this was fixed from beta1). All messages are coming classified as text, even the E-mails. In addition, some of the messages are complete, but others say "loading" but never completely load.

No calendar functions or contact images yet.

I think we need to wait for additional versions of the iOS 6 for the bugs to be worked out, but it looks promising.

JEG23
DreamCar commented:
June 27, 2012, 5:39 pm

Ok cool, I saw a thread in other forum about the office ... Just wanted to make sure if you guys also figured it out.
gspannu commented:
June 28, 2012, 5:59 am

Messages appear in the car now (at least the ones that arrive when the car is connected). Reminders also popup as messages.

The big tickler is Siri…. I still haven't figured how one poster has managed to get it working by long-press of 'Tel' button on steering wheel…..
Itinj6 commented:
June 28, 2012, 8:42 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
Messages appear in the car now (at least the ones that arrive when the car is connected). Reminders also popup as messages.

The big tickler is Siri…. I still haven't figured how one poster has managed to get it working by long-press of 'Tel' button on steering wheel…..
Did you try the Voice Command button? I though that was what all the articles were reporting. I may be wrong though... Worth a shot
gspannu commented:
June 28, 2012, 9:05 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Itinj6 View Post
Did you try the Voice Command button? I though that was what all the articles were reporting. I may be wrong though... Worth a shot
Tried both….. Tel Button and Voice Button
Tried ….….…... double Tap & Long press
Itinj6 commented:
June 28, 2012, 9:37 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
Tried both….. Tel Button and Voice Button
Tried ….….…... double Tap & Long press
Ahh ok. I figured you did but didn't hurt to ask.

Wonder how mpress got it to work. I didn't even think this was part of iOS6. I thought it was something BMW had to integrate into the car's software. Hence why they say it will become available within 12 months.
DreamCar commented:
June 28, 2012, 9:55 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
Stating the obvious…

The whole point of the forum is to get things working… and if someone has it working in the current version with the current car; then I guess the rest can get this to work as well.
Didnt he respond to you? check the version of MMI version he is running...
Thank god i dont have 4S other wise i would have gone nuts for this to work
gspannu commented:
June 28, 2012, 2:57 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamCar View Post
Didnt he respond to you? check the version of MMI version he is running...
Thank god i dont have 4S other wise i would have gone nuts for this to work
We (including mpress) seem to be running the same version of MMI as well as iOS, so do not know why it does not work on our machines!

I agree, having a iPhone 4S and not being able to get Siri to activate is driving me up the wall
mpress commented:
July 3, 2012, 11:52 pm

gsp
the beta saga continues..
1) i continue to have intermittent access to siri with a long press of the voice command button, but i have found no rhythm or reason as to when it works.
2) new unopened emails now show up with full info and i can hit the play icon and they read me the message..which is awesome..BUT when the email part is working my bluetooth audio freezes..the playlists keep going but the screen does NOT refresh to the next song just sticks on whatever song it was displaying when i switch over to mail..
to get the music to sync and update as i change songs i have to make a phone call hangup and then go back to external devices.....


the mail thing is pretty great although the reading of the sent date number by number is annoying..hopefully in final version we can select it to read only from and body of email...
and losing the bluetooth audio info is annoying....

will keep things updating...
gspannu commented:
July 4, 2012, 4:07 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpress View Post
gsp
the beta saga continues..
1) i continue to have intermittent access to siri with a long press of the voice command button, but i have found no rhythm or reason as to when it works.
2) new unopened emails now show up with full info and i can hit the play icon and they read me the message..which is awesome..BUT when the email part is working my bluetooth audio freezes..the playlists keep going but the screen does NOT refresh to the next song just sticks on whatever song it was displaying when i switch over to mail..
to get the music to sync and update as i change songs i have to make a phone call hangup and then go back to external devices.....


the mail thing is pretty great although the reading of the sent date number by number is annoying..hopefully in final version we can select it to read only from and body of email...
and losing the bluetooth audio info is annoying....

will keep things updating...
This is still very impressive.
I cannot get Siri to work at all. can you try and identify what makes it work?
I cannot get emails to show up - only text messages and reminders. It does read them aloud, but no emails at all.

Any idea when Beta 3 is coming out…

Also,, have you noticed that Beta 2 does not have 'iPod out' functionality yet- i.e., the Plugin function in i-Drive, Connected Drive does not work anymore. i just realised yesterday...
dbs600 commented:
July 6, 2012, 3:44 pm

Hi everyone,

My car was manufactured in late September 2010 and has the following software version and iDrive screens, which seems to lack the "Current Office" submenu. Otherwise, I believe I have the "combox", but I do not have "BMW Apps".

Does anyone know if my car will be compatible?

Thanks!
mpress commented:
July 10, 2012, 10:59 am

gsp,
i think its time we give up on any real understanding of wtf is going on... my connect drive does work.. my siri is very spastic sometimes accessing from the VC button on the steering wheel sometimes not..

As of yesterday night now my text messages are not only showing up complete but hitting the play button DOES read them to me perfectly.. (must say very funny because first text it read was a mean one from my 19 year old about how much she hates her mother because they were fighting...we need to teach the voice to have mean inflection when needed) but now the car does not recognize my emails at all....
go figure..

I believe beta 3 was supposed to be today but it may get pushed back because of all the action with mountain lion golden master release and the invite to start loading mountain lion apps....

mp
gspannu commented:
July 10, 2012, 11:28 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpress View Post
gsp,
i think its time we give up on any real understanding of wtf is going on... my connect drive does work.. my siri is very spastic sometimes accessing from the VC button on the steering wheel sometimes not..

As of yesterday night now my text messages are not only showing up complete but hitting the play button DOES read them to me perfectly.. (must say very funny because first text it read was a mean one from my 19 year old about how much she hates her mother because they were fighting...we need to teach the voice to have mean inflection when needed) but now the car does not recognize my emails at all....
go figure..

I believe beta 3 was supposed to be today but it may get pushed back because of all the action with mountain lion golden master release and the invite to start loading mountain lion apps....

mp
Love your post… The voice to text is funny sometimes.

I did install Mountain Lion GM last night (actually, I was the 1st to report it on MacRumors !)

It is good news if Beta 3 is going to be available today; can't wait to see what else it brings to the party.

As for my integration

1. emails never worked. Not once. Cannot see any email at all (old or new)
2. Text messages always work (sender is intermittent)
3. Reminder alerts always work (shown as messages, though)
4. Contacts - No picture information (I suppose this should work as well)
5. Calendar - No integration at all (No menu).
6. Siri - Never worked (through VC button double or long tap).
Stealth.Pilot commented:
July 14, 2012, 7:01 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
As for my integration

1. emails never worked. Not once. Cannot see any email at all (old or new)
2. Text messages always work (sender is intermittent)
3. Reminder alerts always work (shown as messages, though)
4. Contacts - No picture information (I suppose this should work as well)
5. Calendar - No integration at all (No menu).
6. Siri - Never worked (through VC button double or long tap).
I think to get emails to work, you have to set notifications for email to be turned on within the iPhone settings. At least that was the cause in my case.

Now I have all emails and text messages flowing through, however there is sometimes a delay of up to 5 minutes. I have not been able to get it to read the messages. I also get messages for missed calls.

Calendar is working flawlessly.

Siri and Contacts are not working at all.
mpress commented:
July 14, 2012, 11:43 pm

i have my email notifications on and still only gives me the headers ...text working perfect...still no consistency to siri...amazing three people same car computerization and phone and three different scenarios..
mp
Mobileum commented:
July 15, 2012, 2:59 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth.Pilot View Post

Calendar is working flawlessly.
Are you using BMW Apps too? In that case, you will have calendar under the Office menu and also under the Apps menu. This has always been the case, also before IOS 6 beta .
gspannu commented:
July 16, 2012, 3:57 pm

iOS6 Beta 3 has just been released.

Any updates as to improvements?
wdimagineer commented:
July 16, 2012, 3:59 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
iOS6 Beta 3 has just been released.

Any updates as to improvements?
Full email and message text appears to be working now.
Mobileum commented:
July 16, 2012, 4:35 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdimagineer View Post
Full email and message text appears to be working now.
Old messages too, or only those received when ignition is on?
rlaffey commented:
July 16, 2012, 4:35 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdimagineer View Post
Full email and message text appears to be working now.
Full text always worked for SMS but emails are now coming through correctly........only for new emails where notifications are on though.

Still no retrieval of stored messages already on the phone, SMS or email.

In addition you still can't call back the sender of an SMS, it tries to dial an unusual number.

No Siri activation on mine using the methods previously described either, though I'm not convinced this works for anyone as it would need the car to support it not the phone.
gspannu commented:
July 16, 2012, 4:55 pm

When you say email should work (if notifications turned on); what should be the notification setting?

I have 3 mail accounts; namely iCloud, GMail and Exchange (work account).

The settings for Mail Notifications (Settings > Notifications > Mail) are as under:

Notification Centre
Show Number of Unread Items: 1, 5 or 10

Then each mail account has multiple sub settings:

Alert Style: None, Banner, Alert
Badge App Icon: On or Off
New Mail Sound: None (or other sounds)
Show Preview: On or Off
View in Lock Screen: On or Off

What settings have you chosen to make Mail work ?…. as mine do not seem to work with any combination. SMS work without a hitch.
gspannu commented:
July 16, 2012, 4:57 pm

On a side note…..
…. a major improvement in Beta 3 is that PlugIn functionality (getting the iPod Out functionality working through the Cradle) is now working finally. It did not work in Beta 1 & 2 - iDrive kept waiting for the PlugIn to activate - now in Beta 3, it launches the iPod functionality straight away...
gspannu commented:
July 16, 2012, 5:02 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by nyranger74 View Post
Anybody who downloaded the iOS 6 beta having trouble with the plug-in?
Fixed in Beta 3 now…
nyranger74 commented:
July 16, 2012, 5:19 pm

There is a setting to turn on email notifications, so it pops up like text messages. I didn't know it existed until some one on the forum posted it. I think this is why old messages don't populate. It's taking the notifications from the screen.

Sent from my HTC One X using Bimmer App
rlaffey commented:
July 16, 2012, 5:34 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
When you say email should work (if notifications turned on); what should be the notification setting?

I have 3 mail accounts; namely iCloud, GMail and Exchange (work account).

The settings for Mail Notifications (Settings > Notifications > Mail) are as under:

Notification Centre
Show Number of Unread Items: 1, 5 or 10

Then each mail account has multiple sub settings:

Alert Style: None, Banner, Alert
Badge App Icon: On or Off
New Mail Sound: None (or other sounds)
Show Preview: On or Off
View in Lock Screen: On or Off

What settings have you chosen to make Mail work ?….. as mine do not seem to work with any combination. SMS work without a hitch.
It's like SMS, it's only working with push or scheduled email. It refuses to pull up previously downloaded emails. I hope this makes sense ?

Settings as follows.......
Notification centre = on
Alert style = banner
All other options set to on sound set to ding.
gspannu commented:
July 17, 2012, 3:08 am

I have exactly the same settings for Mail notifications ….. but it still does not show 'new' emails…..

New SMS and Calendar/ Reminder alerts appear fine
rlaffey commented:
July 17, 2012, 3:29 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
I have exactly the same settings for Mail notifications ….. but it still does not show 'new' emails…..

New SMS and Calendar/ Reminder alerts appear fine
Are you checking for emails manually? If yes it doesn't work. They need to be "pushed" to the phone.
gspannu commented:
July 17, 2012, 10:31 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlaffey View Post
Are you checking for emails manually? If yes it doesn't work. They need to be "pushed" to the phone.
Both iCloud email and Exchange Server emails are pushed…. but I do not get these on the iDrive still.

Also, any luck with Siri activation with Steering buttons..
alex_c commented:
July 17, 2012, 3:43 pm

I am using Beta 3 and push emails is finally working perfectly. I get the envelope icon on iDrive to notify of new messages. The messages are now readable in full without the annoying "Reading..." message.

I'm sure that this will only get better on the next -and perhaps final- version.
Stealth.Pilot commented:
July 17, 2012, 4:52 pm

I would like for SMSs to show up as popups or banners on the screen. Or even just a notification sound.

It's hard to notice that small envelope showing up.
gspannu commented:
July 18, 2012, 10:06 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by gspannu View Post
Both iCloud email and Exchange Server emails are pushed…. but I do not get these on the iDrive still.
..
eMails working now…. (Beta 3)

Needed to turn on 'View in Lock Screen' under Settings -> Notifications -> Mail -> iCloud
Stealth.Pilot commented:
July 19, 2012, 7:24 am

Not a BMW issue, but anyone having problems with photo gallery in iOS6? In mine it shows all black and I can't see any photos. Photo roll works, but not the gallery folder.
gspannu commented:
July 19, 2012, 5:48 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth.Pilot View Post
Not a BMW issue, but anyone having problems with photo gallery in iOS6? In mine it shows all black and I can't see any photos. Photo roll works, but not the gallery folder.
in iTunes, uncheck photos to sync. Basically sync nothing. Ensure all photos/ albums are removed.

Quit iTunes, Sync again this time select the albums to sync.

I have seen this problem before (not in iOS6 Beta 3 but in an earlier Beta of iOS5). Clearing photos from the phone and re-syncing solved the problem for me.

Good luck.