F30 opinions

by Bimmerfest.com Member - DrSeuss99 on July 13, 2012, 11:19 am
I've been thinking about moving to a new F30. Yes I know it's a little bigger but the styling has really started to grow on me. Plus I need a 4 door. Anyone else here considering the same thing?


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27 responses to F30 opinions

GG Hyundai commented:
July 13, 2012, 11:22 am

No, that thing is fugly. I can't get over the sloping hood.
BMWfanatic87 commented:
July 13, 2012, 11:46 am

A lot of the critics hated the design, but when they started reviewing it and really looking at it. They notice that the lines worked with the car, and it fits the BMW family more now than before since the higher up models have some of the same exterior features.

I personally love the look, and would get one if not already getting a X1 35i.
SteVTEC commented:
July 13, 2012, 12:23 pm

I drove it and I found it more similar to the E90 than different, both inside and out. It's evolutionary. At 6'3" I also had plenty of room in the back with room to spare actually, even with the driver's seat in front of me setup for myself. That was pretty amazing. It's the successor to the E39 5-series in my mind. The F10 is way too big and limo like, and too numb. Didn't get a chance to try out the steering feel of the F30 when I drove it, but it didn't feel as bad and isolated to drive as the F10 did. Overall I liked it. If I find that I need a sedan in the future I wouldn't hesitate to buy one, with the caveat that I really would need to take one for an extended test drive (or get a loaner) first to truly evaluate the steering feel. I love how my E93 feels to drive, and a big part of that is the steering feel. It's wonderful. Hate the F10, and not sure about the F30 yet on that.
Kilgore Trout commented:
July 13, 2012, 1:53 pm

Personally, I think the new F30 is a beautiful vehicle and will be a huge hit. I am ambivalent about the Turbo 4 and I am disappointed in the EPS. But, other than those serious complaints, there is not much about the F30 I don't like.

I'm not sure I would be willing to buy any BMW in the first year or two of production though. Let them get out the bugs, especially with such a major redesign.
CALWATERBOY commented:
July 13, 2012, 3:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout View Post
Personally, I think the new F30 is a beautiful vehicle and will be a huge hit. I am ambivalent about the Turbo 4 and I am disappointed in the EPS. But, other than those serious complaints, there is not much about the F30 I don't like.

I'm not sure I would be willing to buy any BMW in the first year or two of production though. Let them get out the bugs, especially with such a major redesign.
KT, in an area lousy w/3's, have yet to see any F30. Maybe I'll stop by the showroom....
TJPark01 commented:
July 13, 2012, 3:39 pm

I went the other way. I started at F30 335i and liked it. I then looked at a lightly used 335i MCoupe and also liked it. Then I noticed the E92 was 10k cheaper and loved it.
DrSeuss99 commented:
July 13, 2012, 4:05 pm

I guess a test drive will be in the near future, thanks!
dtc100 commented:
July 13, 2012, 4:20 pm

After seeing them in person and drove three of them, I still did not like the front look, then I saw the M Sport F30 commercial, WOW! I have to see it.
TerryM commented:
July 13, 2012, 7:11 pm

First impressions of an F30 328 loaner, 30 mile round trip, rush hour each way, mix of freeway and city streets, i.e. less than quality time.

• I like the looks, especially from the rear 3/4 view. A fitting progression from the e90. Bet the coupe and M3 are going to be real nice. Not so keen on the snout but it's the shape of things to come and no real surprise given the 5's design - big family resemblance and better in person than pics.
• Maybe Luddite, but I don't see much progress in the interior. The auto shifter button thingys are probably smarter, less mechanical switches (thus, maybe more durable), but they’re less intuitive. The nav screen integration is not my idea of elegant design nor do I like the additional shiny bits scattered around. Hard to put a finger on it but kinda gives the impression of trying too hard to be "luxurious". I'm probably not a good judge, being more into spartan functionality (want luxury? – think chauffeured Bentley). And don't get me wrong, it all still functions pretty well and that's the goal.
• The 4 cyl was completely OK. Sure, it sounded like a four, felt ever so slightly rougher than the six but was very responsive. Lag seemed less than my 335 (maybe better tranny programming). Didn’t get a read on mpg but have no reason to think it wouldn’t be better than the e90. The gauge barely budged.
• I liked the smooth 8-spd transmission and found the three settings make real changes to the car’s overall attitude. Sport feels good and gets a lot out of the engine; Comfort was good around town too; Eco, didn’t spend much time there but it felt really, uh, economical.
• The auto stop/start function was fun to play with. Found I could ease up to a stop with little pressure on the pedal and keep the engine running. Likewise, if the engine shut off I could ease off the brake just until it restarted without it moving forward. The car only had 18 miles on it, so maybe everything loosens up with time, making that impossible. After the novelty wore off I cancelled it anyway and would probably get in that habit if I owned one.
• Steering? It's predictably quick and goes where pointed but feels a little disconnected. The road feel is reduced to a level I’d associate with…, well not with BMWs. Not a biggie and something that maybe will change in the future (with enough bad press).
• Nit picks – 1. turn signal indicator has a really robust click that you can hear over the Harley in your blind spot. 2. that blind spot seems bigger and the rear window smaller. 3. can’t they code radio software so that you can figure out how to change the tone settings in under 30 minutes and without the manual? (ok, so maybe it’s just me)

Overall the F30 left a good impression, and it should sell well if the numbers already around are an indicator. That’s not to say I wasn’t happy to get my 335 back, but that’s apples and oranges. Good luck with your decision.
TerryM commented:
July 13, 2012, 7:15 pm

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Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY View Post
KT, in an area lousy w/3's, have yet to see any F30. Maybe I'll stop by the showroom....
You should get out more, Mr. Waterboy. I see one most days on my Marin>SF>Marin commute.
CALWATERBOY commented:
July 14, 2012, 8:37 am

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You should get out more, Mr. Waterboy. I see one most days on my Marin>SF>Marin commute.
Clearly, my prescription goggles need adjustment!

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Chop362 commented:
July 14, 2012, 7:45 pm

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No, that thing is fugly. I can't get over the sloping hood.
Neither can I..Looks like a clam shell to me and if anything the more you look the worse it gets.I'll be looking for a new car come spring and on my 4th bimmer in ten years but this one could be my last till BMW gets their act together.
TJPark01 commented:
July 14, 2012, 7:52 pm

This reminds me of the mustache on the 06-08 E90's. Clearly people didn't like it. I guess if we bitch hard enough someone in corporate will listen.
dtc100 commented:
July 14, 2012, 10:14 pm

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This reminds me of the mustache on the 06-08 E90's. Clearly people didn't like it. I guess if we bitch hard enough someone in corporate will listen.
A good shave maybe, but not face (hood) lift. I think with the up coming m sport appearance, it is more acceptable.
55 commented:
July 14, 2012, 10:52 pm

The hood is a disaster. The hump, the cut really ugly. Probably the pedestrians protection regulations dictate this, but must be a better way to design.

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mclaren commented:
July 14, 2012, 11:00 pm

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Originally Posted by Chop362 View Post
Neither can I..Looks like a clam shell to me and if anything the more you look the worse it gets.I'll be looking for a new car come spring and on my 4th bimmer in ten years but this one could be my last till BMW gets their act together.
+1 I'm with you.
Chop362 commented:
July 14, 2012, 11:55 pm

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+1 I'm with you.
Looks like we have a crowd..LOL
3.1L Z commented:
July 15, 2012, 2:05 am

Front end is horrible. I was at the dealership yesterday. The base 3 series has the skinniest looking tires on a 3 series since the 320i. And a huge space between the tire and fender. Looked like a Kia from '98.
thekurgan commented:
July 15, 2012, 11:36 am

I'm personally not a fan of any of the new "bullnose" designs in the BMWs as much as I wasn't a fan of the "eyebrow" pre-LCI E90. The profile just doesn't look good to me.
TerryM commented:
July 16, 2012, 12:26 pm

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... not a fan of any of the new "bullnose" designs ...
Not my cup of tea either, at least not yet. But remember when the Z4 first came out? IIRC, opinion seemed to be 90% against the design, especially among Z3 owners. All those edges and that long nose.
Bemo commented:
July 16, 2012, 1:17 pm

Here's my opinion (based on having it as a "loaner" for a whole day).
Love the new styling (exterior+interior) and extra cabin space.
HATE the lifeless steering and violent start/stop engine technology (the long-term effects of which are yet to be studied...)

Same hard seats...no improvements or further disasters there...

Couldn't wait to get my E90 back, which is sad because 6-7 years from now when I'm ready for a replacement, the only hydraulic steering option might be the new M3 (if indeed it has hydraulic steering).
Kilgore Trout commented:
July 16, 2012, 1:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Bemo View Post
Here's my opinion (based on having it as a "loaner" for a whole day).
Love the new styling (exterior+interior) and extra cabin space.
HATE the lifeless steering and violent start/stop engine technology (the long-term effects of which are yet to be studied...)

Same hard seats...no improvements or further disasters there...

Couldn't wait to get my E90 back, which is sad because 6-7 years from now when I'm ready for a replacement, the only hydraulic steering option might be the new M3 (if indeed it has hydraulic steering).
I think hydraulic steering is going to go the way of the carburetor, hydromatic 4-speed tranny, and ohv. Too much is aligning against it.

However, I don't think all is lost because I believe BMW and others will eventually refine it enough that we'll get back our road feel.

Meanwhile, most EPS racks feel like video games to me. The worst offenders being the latest iterations of Acura.
spencer842 commented:
July 16, 2012, 2:22 pm

I have driven 4 different models of the F30. Two of which were loaners of 1-2 days each. 1) 328 Modern Line AT 2) 328 Sport Line AT 3) 335 Sport Line w/ the adaptive steering AT.

Here is my take:
BAD-
1) Blinkers are way too loud. Good click noise, just too loud.
2) I like the position of the iDrive screen, not a fan of the overall look of the screen jutting out.
3) Doors feel lighter and the mirrors on the doors shake when shut. Not a deal breaker, but feels cheap to me.
4) The piano black trim looks cheap in the sun. Get aluminum trim.
5) The steering in the modern line was accurate, but lacked that traditional BMW substantial feel. The 335 in Sport Plus with the Adaptive Steering for $350 was worth the change in steering feel. Felt much better to me, but I don't know how much of that was the extra weight on the 335.
6) I live in Denver and in the altitude, I still feel a noticeable amount of turbo lag from both engines from a dead stop. When I drive my Mom's X5 35i in Dallas... turbo lag is noticeably diminished.
7) The F30 has a bit more road noise. Especially the sport line.
8) I was happy to get back into my 2012 E91. It feels higher quality.

GOOD-
1) I think it looks pretty darn good. Especially the F31. I wonder what the LCI will bring to the F30 series.
2) The N20 is growing on me. It's quick and fuel efficient. It sounded like a diesel at idle on my entire commute, even after warm up, but I like diesels.
3) I love the sport seats in the F30.
4) I like that it has more rear leg room.
5) I really like the surround camera feature.
6) Head's up display is absolutely a must get feature.
7) I really like the new instrument cluster with the integrated LCD's.
8) The added technology makes up for the higher cost of a loaded F30.
vince217 commented:
July 16, 2012, 3:12 pm

IMHO:

most bmw's do not look good at first, but tend to age better, that is, it looks more timeless. i think the reason each new model gets criticised, i think its because BMW tends to make each new model significantly different looking than the one it replaces.

what happens then is, most other car manufacturers esp japanese and korean ones, copy those details onto their cars. example... accord taillights look similar to 5-series. elantra tails look like e90.

as those design details become more common in the market, it gets easy on our eyes. even the e90 bangle design i think wasnt met with much praise at first, but it sure is looking good now (at least in my eyes).
TJG commented:
July 16, 2012, 3:28 pm

The F30 has been well received here by the press - and the looks are growing on me I have to admit.

The numbers for the 330d M sport are pretty remarkable IMO; 0-62 in 5.6 seconds, hp 258, torque 560 (nm), urban mpg 47.1, extra urban mpg 65.7, combined mpg 57.6

Impressive combination of performance and fuel efficiency, I'd seriously consider the 6 cyl diesel model.
Zeichen311 commented:
July 16, 2012, 4:00 pm

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4) The piano black trim looks cheap in the sun. Get aluminum trim.
That would be because it's not piano black, it's high-gloss black--huge difference. The former is lacquered wood; the latter is plastic.
mclaren commented:
July 16, 2012, 6:00 pm

It is interesting to compare Porsche and BMW. I looked at a lightly optioned 911S Cab, the 991, and MSRP was 120k. Porsche just raises the hell out of prices while BMW cuts costs. From a business point of view I don't know who is right but as a car lover I prefer the P car approach.