BMW 3 Series Receives Marginal Grade in New IIHS Crash Safety Tests

by Bimmerfest.com Member - whoever on August 14, 2012, 10:31 am




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In the most recent round of IIHS results only Honda's (HMC) Acura TL and Volvo S60 earned the Institute's top rating of "good." Nissan's (NSANY) Infiniti G earned a rating of " Acceptable." The Acura TSX, BMW 3-series, Ford' (F, Fortune 500)s Lincoln MKZ and Volkswage (VLKAF)n CC earned a rating of "marginal," the second-worst of four possible ratings.

The Mercedes-Benz C-class, Lexus IS and ES and the Audi A4 earned the worst rating, "poor," in the new test.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/14/auto...rs-crash-test/

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=15


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41 responses to BMW 3 Series Receives Marginal Grade in New IIHS Crash Safety Tests

windsor027 commented:
August 14, 2012, 10:50 am

I guess if you are about to hit something make sure you hit it square on....
justinnum1 commented:
August 14, 2012, 10:52 am

yea, most cars that hit at that angle are ****ed
samualcc commented:
August 14, 2012, 11:15 am

The low scores are due to a brand new test they added. Prior to this year, they tested full front and off set crashes, as well as side impact, rear impact, etc etc. This year, they added an extreme off set crash test where only a small amount of the car, less than 20% actually hits something. This is very common with telephone polls and trees. Nothing like having the contents of the wheel well pushed into your legs.

It is a bit disappointing, but certainly highlights some of the value brought on by these organizations. I suspect despite the results, in 5 year to 7 years, all cars will start scoring well in the test. Guess I will avoid telephone polls until then, or as others have said, hit it dead on!

I did laugh at Mercedes response to the test. They basically said "We call BS" our cars are safe.
chrischeung commented:
August 14, 2012, 1:43 pm

I hit a traffic light straight on about 20 years ago, pretty low speed, about 20 mph. The car was < a year old, and it was written off. You don't want to hit narrow immovable objects.
beden1 commented:
August 14, 2012, 1:54 pm

It is a disappointment that BMW is not a leader in safety as they had been considered back in the 1970's and 1980's. Safety should be a top priority for a premier European brand trying to justify high sticker prices. I think BMW and other car manufacturers have decided that their prime focus should be on adding invasive and needless technologies, and gas savings to boost sales as opposed to safety as their prime objective.

I think we will see more structural weaknesses as car companies use more weight savings components for better MPG. And, if the European car companies keep going down these paths, what is going to separate them from the Toyotas of the world who offer features without solid foundations?
boltjaM3s commented:
August 14, 2012, 2:03 pm

That's what ASS is for. When PDC senses you're close to an offset crash it just stops the engine, problem solved. You can even program your 1-8 shortcut keys to simulate it.

BJ
tagheuer commented:
August 14, 2012, 2:26 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
It is a disappointment that BMW is not a leader in safety as they had been considered back in the 1970's and 1980's. Safety should be a top priority for a premier European brand trying to justify high sticker prices. I think BMW and other car manufacturers have decided that their prime focus should be on adding invasive and needless technologies, and gas savings to boost sales as opposed to safety as their prime objective.

I think we will see more structural weaknesses as car companies use more weight savings components for better MPG. And, if the European car companies keep going down these paths, what is going to separate them from the Toyotas of the world who offer features without solid foundations?
Really?

Toyota currently has 11 models, from small to large, which are IIHS top safety picks.

Toyota also has, and has had for many many years, one of the highest predictable reliability scores of any automaker, by just about any measure (JD Power, Consumer Reports, TrueDelta, take your pick)

How can you say Toyota vehicles don't have solid foundations?

They are as safe, if not safer, than BMWs and are much more reliable.

Its not like BMW is anything special when it comes to safety.

Of course you can't compare driving dynamics/pleasure between Toyota and BMW, but please don't imply that Toyota makes crappy cars with lousy foundations, because that's simply not true.
dtc100 commented:
August 14, 2012, 3:16 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
That's what ASS is for. When PDC senses you're close to an offset crash it just stops the engine, problem solved. You can even program your 1-8 shortcut keys to simulate it.

BJ
BMW needs to make sure IIHS turns the ASS/PDC on before the test next time.
tturedraider commented:
August 14, 2012, 3:25 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
It is a disappointment that BMW is not a leader in safety as they had been considered back in the 1970's and 1980's. Safety should be a top priority for a premier European brand trying to justify high sticker prices. I think BMW and other car manufacturers have decided that their prime focus should be on adding invasive and needless technologies, and gas savings to boost sales as opposed to safety as their prime objective.

I think we will see more structural weaknesses as car companies use more weight savings components for better MPG. And, if the European car companies keep going down these paths, what is going to separate them from the Toyotas of the world who offer features without solid foundations?
beden1, I'm sorry, but this may be the single most uninformed, ignorant post I have seen on Bimmerfest in my seven years here. Did you even bother looking at pictures or reading the actual report of the results by the IIHS? No serious injuries indicated. The probability of left leg or foot injuries and possibility of right leg and foot injuries. NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY LIFE THREATENING.

This new test and this report is nothing more than a red herring. It is not possible to construct a car that is totally indestructible.
justinnum1 commented:
August 14, 2012, 3:25 pm

didnt even know i have knee airbags
tturedraider commented:
August 14, 2012, 3:34 pm

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Originally Posted by justinnum1 View Post
didnt even know i have knee airbags
You do. But, of course, BMW is just a cheap ass company that doesn't give a rat's ass about your safety. They just want your money. Just ask all those yahoos who are walking around alive today because they were in a Bimmer when they crashed.
SuperTerp commented:
August 14, 2012, 3:44 pm

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Originally Posted by tagheuer View Post
Its not like BMW is anything special when it comes to safety.

Of course you can't compare driving dynamics/pleasure between Toyota and BMW, but please don't imply that Toyota makes crappy cars with lousy foundations, because that's simply not true.
They did get the worst score (and while I agree they sure don't suck, they also don't deserve those freebie toyota points they always get on reliability and safety) along with audi and mb (good luck to anyone in an is whose legs those are), but i'll take bmw safety over them any day.

See the 335i top speed crash vs. a tree where the driver had a broken nose (and killed his two friends ), or the 186mph crash of the new m5, the e46 or 36 crash vs. a mac truck whose kids survived, in md some lady took on a KFC at top speed and lived (killed the passanger though), nobody is immune from death in a moving vehicle unless Gen Dynamics starts selling M1 Abrams to the public, (in-which case watch out trees ) I just know if I'm going to crash I want to do it in a BMW

Volvo is tops but they've got nothing else to do since their engines, and electronics suck
Wasn't shocked to see Acura, but they're always quite about their accomplishments.
sunny5280 commented:
August 14, 2012, 4:32 pm

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Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
This new test and this report is nothing more than a red herring. It is not possible to construct a car that is totally indestructible.
I agree with this statement but I think it important to mention a couple of vehicles scored favorably on this new test while BMW did not. So while it's not possible to make a totally indestructible car we know others have made safer cars...at least when it comes to this particular test.
White05X3 commented:
August 14, 2012, 4:52 pm

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Originally Posted by tagheuer View Post
Really?

Toyota currently has 11 models, from small to large, which are IIHS top safety picks.

They are as safe, if not safer, than BMWs and are much more reliable.

Its not like BMW is anything special when it comes to safety.
You did read the article right? The only Toyota models tested both scored below the 328i and in the unacceptable category.

OH and if you visit www.safercar.gov and look at the manufacturers' test scores, you find some interesting statistics. Referring to 2012 models, ALL BMW models tested are given 5 star overall ratings. However, referring back to those Toyotas tested 33 models earn 4 stars, 9 models earn 5 stars and 1 model earned 3 stars.

I respectfully disagree with your assertion.
dtc100 commented:
August 14, 2012, 8:37 pm

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Originally Posted by SuperTerp View Post

Volvo is tops but they've got nothing else to do since their engines, and electronics suck
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Have you driven a Volvo S60 R spec?
dtc100 commented:
August 14, 2012, 8:41 pm

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Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post

This new test and this report is nothing more than a red herring. It is not possible to construct a car that is totally indestructible.
I don't think so. Engines are now designed to drop down in a severe frontal impact so it does not push into the cabin. It is not unreasonable to have the same safety feature for the front wheels.
SuperTerp commented:
August 14, 2012, 9:20 pm

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Have you driven a Volvo S60 R spec?
Nope and never would , I did see the review on TtAC from Dec 11'. and was shocked when I read it... Volvos just seem so irrelevant now (at least to me )

I'll stick with the n54 for now, if I need to win more I'll buy an m5 or better

I did get spanked by an IS-f and it was pretty cool to see.
boltjaM3s commented:
August 14, 2012, 9:29 pm

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Originally Posted by dtc100 View Post
Have you driven a Volvo S60 R spec?
What are you, the King Of Not-BMW's?

If there's a car out there that is pseudo-3 Series competition, you're it's champion. Why?

BJ
sunny5280 commented:
August 14, 2012, 9:47 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
What are you, the King Of Not-BMW's?

If there's a car out there that is pseudo-3 Series competition, you're it's champion. Why?
There's a difference between championing a vehicle and asking someone if they've ever driven it.
dtc100 commented:
August 14, 2012, 10:54 pm

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Originally Posted by SuperTerp View Post
Nope and never would , I did see the review on TtAC from Dec 11'. and was shocked when I read it... Volvos just seem so irrelevant now (at least to me )

I'll stick with the n54 for now, if I need to win more I'll buy an m5 or better

I did get spanked by an IS-f and it was pretty cool to see.
Since you were very specific about how Volvo engine sucked, I thought to ask.
dtc100 commented:
August 14, 2012, 11:00 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
What are you, the King Of Not-BMW's?

If there's a car out there that is pseudo-3 Series competition, you're it's champion. Why?

BJ
I don't see myself drive a Volvo anytime soon either, but you don't want to be in the way of an S60 R design, no scratch that, you don't want to be in the way of the Volvo XC60 R design crossover.

Maybe why they did well in this new test, Volvo probably thought with the R design specs, the driver tends to have too much fun, more likely to crash into a power pole or a tree.

The way BJ drives, you are constantly watching all the camera images so no leaves get blown against the bumper. Crash into a tree?
sf_loft commented:
August 14, 2012, 11:36 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
What are you, the King Of Not-BMW's?

If there's a car out there that is pseudo-3 Series competition, you're it's champion. Why?

BJ
It's all about post count if you haven't figured it out yet. I think he's moved on from giving BJ a BJ.
dtc100 commented:
August 15, 2012, 1:40 am

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It's all about post count if you haven't figured it out yet. I think he's moved on from giving BJ a BJ.
This from a guy still trying to crawl back into his ex's bed in vain time after time, but keeps trying.
SuperTerp commented:
August 15, 2012, 7:42 am

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Since you were very specific about how Volvo engine sucked, I thought to ask.
I mean you pointed out one decent hp producing engine (I guess the XC one would be two) in a lineup full of land mines, and I know I wouldn't buy it if it had 500hp, as the interior looks awful (can't comment on if the Navi is still as bad, as it was a generation ago), I just think there is more than "see it has more hp", and fortunately Stock HP numbers don't coincide with quality.

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but you don't want to be in the way of an S60 R design, no scratch that, you don't want to be in the way of the Volvo XC60 R design crossover.
If I were that worried about a volvo I'd spend $495 (less then I just paid for a shirt ) on a jb4 lol.
pix335i commented:
August 17, 2012, 12:55 pm

Did anyone watch the video of the 3 series testing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcSDBrlHbCo
jlukja commented:
August 17, 2012, 3:58 pm

Ouch. That hurts to watch. The wheel and curtain airbags did a great job keeping the upper torso and head in place despite the twisting rebound of the car. I've seen video of other vehicles where the driver slides to the left and the head goes between the wheel and curtain airbag.
dtc100 commented:
August 17, 2012, 4:42 pm

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Originally Posted by pix335i View Post
Did anyone watch the video of the 3 series testing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcSDBrlHbCo
So where was the damage?
pony_trekker commented:
August 18, 2012, 6:32 am

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So where was the damage?
That'll buff right out.
windsor027 commented:
August 18, 2012, 7:06 am

Did you guys see the one with the Lexus. OMG, terrible. at least the F30 dummy hits the airbag in the center, knee airbag does its job, I would say hurt a little but nothing serious.
Bob Shiftright commented:
August 18, 2012, 7:06 am

IIHS insurance losses by make, model:

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/co...008-2010&cls=3

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/co...sz=4&sort=name
johnc_22 commented:
August 18, 2012, 9:38 am

I think it's great as consumers that we now have access to this information when car shopping.
adgrant commented:
August 18, 2012, 10:32 am

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Originally Posted by tagheuer View Post
Really?

Toyota currently has 11 models, from small to large, which are IIHS top safety picks.

Toyota also has, and has had for many many years, one of the highest predictable reliability scores of any automaker, by just about any measure (JD Power, Consumer Reports, TrueDelta, take your pick)

How can you say Toyota vehicles don't have solid foundations?

They are as safe, if not safer, than BMWs and are much more reliable.

Its not like BMW is anything special when it comes to safety.

Of course you can't compare driving dynamics/pleasure between Toyota and BMW, but please don't imply that Toyota makes crappy cars with lousy foundations, because that's simply not true.
An important component of vehicle safety is the braking system. Toyota has had some serious issues there.
SuperTerp commented:
August 18, 2012, 11:06 am

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Originally Posted by Majikthese42 View Post

Not sure what insurance statistics about totaled cars has to do with anything lol Geo could come back, build a car, get better numbers than any car in the history of manufacturing, and it still wouldn't change the fact that the engine/interior could suck
BMW220i commented:
August 18, 2012, 6:10 pm

I'm sure that BMW engineers its cars to do well in crash tests. Now the IIHS has introduced a new test. The Volvo S60 does well but the BMW F30 is marginal. The Mercedes C-class is poor. The VW CC did so poorly that the driver's door flew off which means you can fall out and get killed. The Audi A4's door opened but it did not fall off.



I'm sure BMW will see if it can do better. It is not easy because if it does well on the pole test, it may be too rigid and not absorb energy in the full frontal test.

http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr081412.html
neilk commented:
August 18, 2012, 7:28 pm

Welcome to last week.... see link
BMW220i commented:
August 18, 2012, 11:41 pm

I looked and didn't see it. Now I see, thanks to the above link. It seems, that there were a bunch of comments then it stopped several days ago. Ooopsss..
bmw_or_audi commented:
August 19, 2012, 4:51 am

I took a closer look at this in the hope of finding something. I did. Check out the videos of the two cars that did well and compare them to the videos of say the 3 and A4. Look at the Acura TL video. The car basically gets the side shaven off and continues on forward. With the 3, it basically comes to a complete stop then bounces off a little to end up sideways. In other words, the 3 takes a very nasty hit compared to the much softer blow of the TL. But why? One could argue that the TL is better designed. Or that the hit didn't catch its cabin cage while it did for the 3. In other words, if the hit was another inch or two more outside, the 3 might have fared the same way as the TL, or if the hit was another inch or two more inside, the TL might have been demolished in the same way as the 3. This is speculation, but the video is very clear that the impacts were not of the same nature, whereas there is no such difference for full frontal or even moderate offset crashes. That, along with the fact the they seem to imply different key observations for the two A4 crashes, leads me to believe that we are too close to a structural threshold with the 25% offset to make comparisons meaningful (i.e. offsets of say 22% or 27% could produce very different results). I would make much, if anything, from this particular test.
Jimmyconjo commented:
August 20, 2012, 10:53 am

^^
it's cause the Acura's frame rails are pushed out more to the side. If you look at the second pic you'll see the main part of the 3-series structure didn't engage if it had more of the impact energy would have been absorbed as was the case in the TL
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.a...5&seriesid=458
Jimmyconjo commented:
August 20, 2012, 11:05 am

http://corporate.honda.com/safety/de...x?id=collision
http://world.honda.com/automobile-te...compatibility/

Honda deliberately set the structure more outwards, specifically to accommodate this sort of extreme offset collision.

Secondly Honda channels the force upwards into the A-pillar, rather than perpendicular to it which crushes it.




The drawbacks to this strategy are large bulging fenders compared to low profile fenders found on more aesthetically pleasing cars. Which is why the only cars with structures which held up well were the G37, TL and S60 all of which have meaty fenders. I expect most Honda products to be rated either Good or Acceptable in this test.
Jimmyconjo commented:
August 20, 2012, 11:09 am

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Originally Posted by White05X3 View Post
You did read the article right? The only Toyota models tested both scored below the 328i and in the unacceptable category.

OH and if you visit www.safercar.gov and look at the manufacturers' test scores, you find some interesting statistics. Referring to 2012 models, ALL BMW models tested are given 5 star overall ratings. However, referring back to those Toyotas tested 33 models earn 4 stars, 9 models earn 5 stars and 1 model earned 3 stars.

I respectfully disagree with your assertion.
wtf, NHTSA only tested the 3 and 5-series both of which are new.
tdepetra commented:
August 20, 2012, 11:36 am

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Originally Posted by SuperTerp View Post
Nope and never would , I did see the review on TtAC from Dec 11'. and was shocked when I read it... Volvos just seem so irrelevant now (at least to me )

I'll stick with the n54 for now, if I need to win more I'll buy an m5 or better

I did get spanked by an IS-f and it was pretty cool to see.
Yes, you are living proof some people simply don't need to be bothered with the facts. Ask anyone who actually owns one and you will find the XC60 is pretty much universally loved by people who own it. I figure my wife's XC60 AWD T6 will be in our household about 10 years longer than my BMW was, primarily due to the F10's electronics and an average of one trip to the dealer every month. I never bashed the the BMW but just could make a case for owning it any longer.

You, on the other hand, well . . . maybe you're 17 and dream a lot.