Another M3 (E46) Driver Gets it VERY Wrong

by Tim Jones on August 20, 2012, 4:50 pm


The BMW M3 gives you a lot of confidence behind the wheel. In this case little Billy (or whatever his name is) had more confidence in his E46 M3 then the laws of physics allowed for. It looks like the front wheels got light going over the crest of the hill and he failed to increase steering angle or really do much to attempt to correct before slamming into the rocks. Thankfully, thought the wonders of GoPro, we can all enjoy his spectacular failure. I can't say I'm surprised at the outcome, young driver and a high powered M3 is a recipe for an accident. I'm just glad he wasn't hurt.

Driver Description:
"Well it happened at South Mountain park in Phoenix AZ. One of my buddies and I were out just having fun and driving until I came up on a deceptive corner, misjudged it and it happened. No injuries. The car was a total loss. Misjudgment of the road caused the accident."

Watch an E92 M3 Driver getting it wrong in the rain


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76 responses to Another M3 (E46) Driver Gets it VERY Wrong

serdar255 commented:
August 20, 2012, 5:01 pm

M3, sigh
Fast Bob commented:
August 20, 2012, 5:09 pm

It appears that he neglected one of the Cardinal Rules of driving fast:

"Always look *where you want to go*....if you look off into the weeds, that`s exactly where you`ll end up"....

Waste of a perfectly good car....
jonathan2263 commented:
August 20, 2012, 5:15 pm

One of the things they teach you in the MSF course, is the yellow line is a cliff and you DO NOT cross it. This kid crossed it on blind curves several times. When he went off, it looked to me like classic target fixation; he didn't seem to try to correct at all.
I say it's a good thing he wadded it up on his own and hopefully a parent will take away his keys until he learns a little responsibility and car control.
jonathan2263 commented:
August 20, 2012, 5:18 pm

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jonathan2263 commented:
August 20, 2012, 5:20 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Bob View Post
It appears that he neglected one of the Cardinal Rules of driving fast:

"Always look *where you want to go*....if you look off into the weeds, that`s exactly where you`ll end up"....

Waste of a perfectly good car....
You beat me to it. Great minds...
smolck commented:
August 20, 2012, 5:28 pm

Where is that kid who was dogging me some months ago about me saying his parents were morons for buying him an M3? I rest my case.
Fast Bob commented:
August 20, 2012, 5:40 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan2263 View Post
You beat me to it. Great minds drink alike...
Now, where`s our beers ?
crowz commented:
August 20, 2012, 5:46 pm

Fool never even tried to take the curve in my opinion. Between the way he was driving(looked like an 8 year old that didnt know how to drive a golf cart let alone a car), the way he looked after the wreck etc, the salesman who sold his parents that car for him to drive should be shot, often.....

As for the parents? Perfect example of why some people should be force sterilized
cwsqbm commented:
August 20, 2012, 6:23 pm

I'm really impressed with the camera mount. Most fly off with that sort of impact.

Basically, the idiot kid overdrove his vision - he couldn't see that the road dropped away and turned at the same time. Cars don't turn or brake well (or at all) when the suspension is unloaded. Give the age, he also probably didn't understand car dynamics well, as his style looks more suited to video games (crossing over the middle line, etc).
av98 commented:
August 20, 2012, 6:30 pm

roflmao, that was too good.
MalibuMafiaV commented:
August 20, 2012, 7:31 pm

I don't even see how you could crash right there.... it's on flat ground. What in the hell? lol. Glad hes ok though.
blchandl2 commented:
August 20, 2012, 8:35 pm

He was lucky to keep it on the wheels. He took a pretty big bounce when he hit the rocks.
mawana commented:
August 20, 2012, 9:15 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by MalibuMafiaV;7024161[B
]I don't even see how you could crash right there.... it's on flat ground. What in the hell?[/B] lol. Glad hes ok though.
Exactly, what I'm wondering as well. Kids!
smolck commented:
August 20, 2012, 9:32 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by cwsqbm View Post
Give the age, he also probably didn't understand car dynamics well, as his style looks more suited to video games (crossing over the middle line, etc).
yes, but in video games you get unlimited "do overs"
Five30i commented:
August 20, 2012, 9:39 pm

Glad he is okay, where is the reset button?
marlin1881 commented:
August 20, 2012, 9:46 pm

That airbag inflated REALLY fast! Yep, he took his eyes off the road at exactly the wrong time, as he didn't see it, or try to correct out of it.
WileECoyote commented:
August 20, 2012, 9:50 pm

Don't worry, he earned enough for an extra life.

So, did he show his parents that video? He definitely got fixated, but what I find more disturbing was his seating position - the seat back's too far away and he was using his shoulders to steer. Very little control whatsoever.

Rocky_Charles4 commented:
August 20, 2012, 10:15 pm

lol that hill was so deceptive. I didn't even see that coming. But the kid didn't even think twice to slow it down or stay in his lane. Man, That hurts. . .
tcphoto commented:
August 20, 2012, 11:03 pm

He should be thanking God that it didn't flip over.
SkchamaaE46 commented:
August 21, 2012, 1:29 am

What a ****in retard
av98 commented:
August 21, 2012, 1:36 am

Just saw the E92 M3 vid and that was scary. Crazy driver flipped over after taking out the median. Good thing he didn't take anybody with him.
lgr122 commented:
August 21, 2012, 1:38 am

Such idiot! Luckily didn't kill anyone, but that so called "accident" was sure thing already when he got to that car.

He would have probably done just the same with some other car as well.
SNAKEYES86GT commented:
August 21, 2012, 8:34 am

Wow - something else to notice is that he is holding the steering wheel like an idiot and comes very close to getting his wrists broken by the airbag. About as close as you can get. Sit back in your seat and hold the steering wheel like a man!
6spdg37s commented:
August 21, 2012, 8:43 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan2263 View Post
One of the things they teach you in the MSF course, is the yellow line is a cliff and you DO NOT cross it. This kid crossed it on blind curves several times. When he went off, it looked to me like classic target fixation; he didn't seem to try to correct at all.
I say it's a good thing he wadded it up on his own and hopefully a parent will take away his keys until he learns a little responsibility and car control.
yup ...

he definitely got some air on that hill...

you should really scope out the area your gonna **** around in ... thats just me .. always do a dry run of a route on my bike a few times before I really push the limits so to speak
tcphoto commented:
August 21, 2012, 10:38 am

I hope that his Insurance Company didn't see the video...
grilodan commented:
August 21, 2012, 10:50 am

Take a look at how this guy is sitting ... he's clearly not supported by the back of his seat, it's probably in stupid "recline/drive-by mode". If you want to race and want to drive like a racer, you have to learn to at least sit correctly and get the right support from your seats. That would have given him better visibility, better steering response and he would feel the car a lot more.
Cvaria commented:
August 21, 2012, 12:19 pm

i guess he thought it would drive for him. if it wasn't real, itd be funnier.
chris328 commented:
August 21, 2012, 12:21 pm

shame
cwsqbm commented:
August 21, 2012, 12:28 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by smolck View Post
yes, but in video games you get unlimited "do overs"
That's the problem with kids today. I grew in the era of having to feed quarters to a machine to play a driving game. Not crashing meant you got to play longer.
crowz commented:
August 21, 2012, 4:06 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by cwsqbm View Post
That's the problem with kids today. I grew in the era of having to feed quarters to a machine to play a driving game. Not crashing meant you got to play longer.
You know I never thought of it that way but you may have a point there

I sure spent a ton of money back then. Could of bought a few cars for what I blew on games then.
smolck commented:
August 21, 2012, 4:14 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by cwsqbm View Post
That's the problem with kids today. I grew in the era of having to feed quarters to a machine to play a driving game. Not crashing meant you got to play longer.
No, the problem with kids is their parents (my generation) keep giving them nice cars without the kid having to work for it. If the little idiot in this video had had to WORK for his M3 and bought it with his own funds he might have appreciated it enough to not drive this way.

How many wanna bet the little bastard has been handed everything he ever got on a silver platter?

And we wonder why our 18 year olds like socialism and Obama? My generation has failed our kids (like this one). Shame on us.
cwsqbm commented:
August 21, 2012, 4:35 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by smolck View Post
No, the problem with kids is their parents (my generation) keep giving them nice cars without the kid having to work for it. If the little idiot in this video had had to WORK for his M3 and bought it with his own funds he might have appreciated it enough to not drive this way.

How many wanna bet the little bastard has been handed everything he ever got on a silver platter?

And we wonder why our 18 year olds like socialism and Obama? My generation has failed our kids (like this one). Shame on us.
Ok, let's not get this thread dragged into the polysci cesspool (although I do agree with you).

Funny thing is, cars today are less important to kids. I know of several 16+ year old kids that don't have their driver licenses, and aren't upset about it. With parents willing to drive them everywhere, plus cellphones and computers allowing them to be in continuous virtual contact with friends, they don't feel the need for a license as much.
SJBimmer commented:
August 21, 2012, 4:42 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by cwsqbm View Post
Ok, let's not get this thread dragged into the polysci cesspool (although I do agree with you).

Funny thing is, cars today are less important to kids. I know of several 16+ year old kids that don't have their driver licenses, and aren't upset about it. With parents willing to drive them everywhere, plus cellphones and computers allowing them to be in continuous virtual contact with friends, they don't feel the need for a license as much.
Man isn't that the truth. The little ba$tards don't even want to learn how to fix anything!
captainaudio commented:
August 21, 2012, 4:53 pm

There are some very good young drivers and some very bad older drivers but statistically a young driver in a high performance car can be a recipe for disaster.

CA
jonathan2263 commented:
August 21, 2012, 5:34 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by 6spdg37s View Post
yup ...

he definitely got some air on that hill...

you should really scope out the area your gonna **** around in ... thats just me .. always do a dry run of a route on my bike a few times before I really push the limits so to speak
+1

I never push it on a curve that 1) I don't know, or 2)I can't see the exit. Race car drivers do the same thing, if they don't know a track, the first few laps are sighting laps, then they go fast. Be smart, be like Alonso...
FinalCut747 commented:
August 21, 2012, 7:24 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by smolck View Post
No, the problem with kids is their parents (my generation) keep giving them nice cars without the kid having to work for it. If the little idiot in this video had had to WORK for his M3 and bought it with his own funds he might have appreciated it enough to not drive this way.

How many wanna bet the little bastard has been handed everything he ever got on a silver platter?

And we wonder why our 18 year olds like socialism and Obama? My generation has failed our kids (like this one). Shame on us.
Never thought someone else shared my perspective about my (I'm 18) generation. I worked my ass off in the last couple of years in high school, going from a 2.2 GPA in freshman year to a 3.7, almost a 3.8. I was given a car as a graduation present for improving myself. It took immense self control to not slack off like I did freshman and sophomore year to do well. This kid is probably like I was freshman year, not having to do anything. I am pissed off at my generations lack of appreciation for quality and hard work. This is why BMW drivers get bum raps. /endgenerationalrant
smolck commented:
August 21, 2012, 8:04 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by FinalCut747 View Post
Never thought someone else shared my perspective about my (I'm 18) generation. I worked my ass off in the last couple of years in high school, going from a 2.2 GPA in freshman year to a 3.7, almost a 3.8. I was given a car as a graduation present for improving myself. It took immense self control to not slack off like I did freshman and sophomore year to do well. This kid is probably like I was freshman year, not having to do anything. I am pissed off at my generations lack of appreciation for quality and hard work. This is why BMW drivers get bum raps. /endgenerationalrant
My daughter (19) bought BOTH her cars in CASH. First one was $2600 and she worked from the time she was 14 to save up for it. And when she wrecked that one, she saved another $1000 to buy her next one. SHE has an appreciation for hard work, but being surrounded by friends whose parents give them everything fills her with a sense of entitlement.

I have to remind her nobody gives you anything in this life, you make what you make by your own sweat. That is how it should be, but is rapidly changing in America. I fear my little ones (8 and 6) won't have the chance to work hard and be rewarded like I was.
FinalCut747 commented:
August 21, 2012, 9:01 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by smolck View Post
My daughter (19) bought BOTH her cars in CASH. First one was $2600 and she worked from the time she was 14 to save up for it. And when she wrecked that one, she saved another $1000 to buy her next one. SHE has an appreciation for hard work, but being surrounded by friends whose parents give them everything fills her with a sense of entitlement.

I have to remind her nobody gives you anything in this life, you make what you make by your own sweat. That is how it should be, but is rapidly changing in America. I fear my little ones (8 and 6) won't have the chance to work hard and be rewarded like I was.
It pisses me off at school to see all the punks driving around new E92s, and daddys girls having leased E90s or other BMWs. Having been in school with them 10-11 years prior, I can tell you they're not the sharpest knife in the block, and spend their weekends worshipping the temple of alcohol (I come from a town that is known for its parties as much as its academic successes) while I was working my ass off without my own car. I also held off on learning to drive because I didn't feel ready yet. I abhor and fear for the future of my peers. Good on your daughter buying her cars.
chansta commented:
August 21, 2012, 9:36 pm

he probably has never driven the course before and even if he has this is his first time going at it in full speed (or what he is capable of at least)

there is a reason why people take practice runs to learn the course before they attack it at full potential.

same reason why paintballers "walk the field" to see what they can and cannot do before they play the game
bayoucity commented:
August 21, 2012, 11:29 pm

I'm unsure if he has attended a proper driving school or just ignorant. Whatever happened to grip the wheel at 9 and 3 o'clock? The driver does have weird seating & steering position.
bmw330ci04 commented:
August 22, 2012, 12:47 am

well im 16 so i guess i cant talk, but i saved up a ton of money to buy my dads car.. didnt have close to enough.. luckily all the hard work he saw i was doing and i would assume my good grades let me have it for 5200! an 04 330ci, 5200! anyway even though i got a fantastic deal on it, that car means everything to me. that is most likely the opposite with this guy and his M3 which he probably didnt pay a penny for and has no idea how expensive these cars are to keep up, so he drives all over the road like a maniac thinking hes cool, and this is what happens.. i just dont get that. i like driving those curvy roads just like any other guy would, but riding the double yellow like its a roller coaster, sitting way far back and having to lean forward to turn? thats just stupid..

haha, ok my rant is over
floydarogers commented:
August 22, 2012, 1:12 am

The amusing thing about this crash is that he's driving the South Mountain in Phoenix. It's only about 10 miles south to the Bondurant school at Firebird Raceway.

Of course there's no guarantee he would actually listen and learn something from one of their courses...
lgr122 commented:
August 22, 2012, 2:17 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by chansta View Post
he probably has never driven the course before and even if he has this is his first time going at it in full speed (or what he is capable of at least)

there is a reason why people take practice runs to learn the course before they attack it at full potential.

same reason why paintballers "walk the field" to see what they can and cannot do before they play the game
Right, that's why many people crash somewhere near home because they know the road very well... just tried little bit more than should have.

Anyway should have some common sense and not get crazy on unknown road.
Here in countryside we still have many roads where speedlimit is just nominal and most cars and drivers can not do it all the time without slowing down in turns.
GoForthFast commented:
August 22, 2012, 2:18 am

Very green driver. Did not even attempt to steer to the road.
His father should not have let him drive so fast.
GoForthFast commented:
August 22, 2012, 2:21 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by FinalCut747 View Post
It pisses me off at school to see all the punks driving around new E92s, and daddys girls having leased E90s or other BMWs. Having been in school with them 10-11 years prior, I can tell you they're not the sharpest knife in the block, and spend their weekends worshipping the temple of alcohol (I come from a town that is known for its parties as much as its academic successes) while I was working my ass off without my own car. I also held off on learning to drive because I didn't feel ready yet. I abhor and fear for the future of my peers. Good on your daughter buying her cars.
Wrong to get aggravated with your peers. You will have a better life than they do.
Be nice to them for your own sake. You will be an even better person for it.
FinalCut747 commented:
August 22, 2012, 2:31 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoForthFast View Post
Wrong to get aggravated with your peers. You will have a better life than they do.
Be nice to them for your own sake. You will be an even better person for it.
I am more aggravated that they get brand new cars despite not being very smart, or hard working, while the A students get handmedown minivans or midsize sedans (mostly Hondas and Toyotas, with the occasional E39 thrown in.)
av98 commented:
August 22, 2012, 8:54 am

Best way to teach any kid below 25 to drive is to get them a crashable and safe underpowered beater. Any Volvo box type early model sample from the early 90s will do. Alternatives are Mercedes C or BMW E30 Series from the late 80s early 90s. Not a lot of electronic nannies or power luxuries, actually requires driving feel. Plus crashing is inevitable, might as well be a really safe car.
Ronsell commented:
August 22, 2012, 9:38 am

Bad way to get your rocks off...
manticore33 commented:
August 22, 2012, 10:18 am

I've watched the video a couple of times and I am in disbelief. Learn to drive your car, especially before you try to hoon. Likewise, set up, focus, and look where you want to go. Not, "oo, pretty rocks" then thwack, crumble, crash, thud.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FinalCut747 View Post
I am more aggravated that they get brand new cars despite not being very smart, or hard working, while the A students get handmedown minivans or midsize sedans (mostly Hondas and Toyotas, with the occasional E39 thrown in.)
Why? Life doesn't owe you anything and that is a tough lesson to learn. Asking why me is a waste of time and goes no where. Sometimes it will seem like the undeserving receive all of the rewards, which is hard to swallow. However, you do not know their circumstances. I'd rather drive a beater minivan while knowing that my parents love and support me for who I am rather than being bought off with stuff. Focus on your life and how you want to live. You only have control over yourself, your actions, and your reactions. Nothing more and nothing less.

Money and material possessions do not make happiness and in fact, too much money and material possessions bring unhappiness. Look at our country for example, we are a "rich nation" yet more unhappy than a lot of 3rd world countries. Studies have shown that after about $60k/year additional money does not bring additional happiness, just bigger toys. Appreciate what you have and be merry. You only have "now;" the past is gone, and the future is not guaranteed.
jonathan2263 commented:
August 22, 2012, 10:28 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by tcphoto View Post
I hope that his Insurance Company didn't see the video...
Nah, he's probably okay. Good insurance covers you against acts of stupidity.
SPDSKTR commented:
August 22, 2012, 11:28 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by manticore33 View Post
Money and material possessions do not make happiness and in fact, too much money and material possessions bring unhappiness. Look at our country for example, we are a "rich nation" yet more unhappy than a lot of 3rd world countries. Studies have shown that after about $60k/year additional money does not bring additional happiness, just bigger toys. Appreciate what you have and be merry. You only have "now;" the past is gone, and the future is not guaranteed.
As someone who barely pulls in $22,000 a year (net income), $60,000 a year would blow my mind. Life would be insanely easy, especially with how I'm used to living. I do work hard. I put my name on paperwork that has some pretty hefty legal weight. My company is just so pro-project manager and anti-everyone else, they fail to pay me what I'm qualified for. And there really doesn't seem to be a market for my job because I constantly get, "We're not hiring" from other companies. I'm tempted to do a full career changeover. I can't be happy while stressing how I'm supposed to pay the bills this month.

To quote a comedian (the name slips my mind): "Money doesn't buy happiness." That's bull. Money buys Sea-Doos. Ever seen a legitimately pissed off person on a Sea-Doo? Thought so.
jonathan2263 commented:
August 22, 2012, 12:41 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPDSKTR View Post

To quote a comedian (the name slips my mind): "Money doesn't buy happiness." That's bull. Money buys Sea-Doos. Ever seen a legitimately pissed off person on a Sea-Doo? Thought so.
Or, in other words, "Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a big yacht you can park right next to it."
FinalCut747 commented:
August 22, 2012, 3:00 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by manticore33 View Post
I've watched the video a couple of times and I am in disbelief. Learn to drive your car, especially before you try to hoon. Likewise, set up, focus, and look where you want to go. Not, "oo, pretty rocks" then thwack, crumble, crash, thud.



Why? Life doesn't owe you anything and that is a tough lesson to learn. Asking why me is a waste of time and goes no where. Sometimes it will seem like the undeserving receive all of the rewards, which is hard to swallow. However, you do not know their circumstances. I'd rather drive a beater minivan while knowing that my parents love and support me for who I am rather than being bought off with stuff. Focus on your life and how you want to live. You only have control over yourself, your actions, and your reactions. Nothing more and nothing less.

Money and material possessions do not make happiness and in fact, too much money and material possessions bring unhappiness. Look at our country for example, we are a "rich nation" yet more unhappy than a lot of 3rd world countries. Studies have shown that after about $60k/year additional money does not bring additional happiness, just bigger toys. Appreciate what you have and be merry. You only have "now;" the past is gone, and the future is not guaranteed.
I am very fortunate for what I have and I am proud of it. These spoiled rich kids I went to school with werebteahave more than they deserve. They're not that smart so I know it isn't for grades. I just am jaded withtebfuturethe future of my peers. There was a schoolmate of mine who got an A4 and wrecked it 2 weeks after hebgotbit by driving like a jerk. What do mommy and daddy do? Get him another. If it were me, /endrant I would be SOL.
bimcwe commented:
August 22, 2012, 9:10 pm

Ouchhh that hurt to watch. Poor car. Make sure your child has the necessary skills to drive such a vehicle before spending that much $
Mickey325i commented:
August 22, 2012, 9:35 pm

SMH Yeah nice camera mount! I wish my mommy and daddy would buy me a M3 to destroy.
Y2K_Bimmer commented:
August 22, 2012, 9:57 pm

That video was just on the news here. Wonder what kind of ticket he got.
Squidget commented:
August 22, 2012, 10:07 pm

Such a shame. But that's what youth is about. He got stupid, got lucky, and the question now is whether he learns. At least he blamed his judgement, not the car.

On the upside, there are still young ones who care about doing it right. I had an involved discussion with a 16 yr old who wanted to know. Weight transfer, eye discipline, entry and exit points, lines, everything. He obviously won't absorb it all at once, and needs wheel time, but the desire to learn is there. He even wants to drive a stick, bless him!
e39 dave commented:
August 22, 2012, 10:55 pm

This is what happens when an inexperienced driver gets behind the wheel of a high performance car.
GVFlyer commented:
August 22, 2012, 11:04 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan2263 View Post
One of the things they teach you in the MSF course, is the yellow line is a cliff and you DO NOT cross it. This kid crossed it on blind curves several times. When he went off, it looked to me like classic target fixation; he didn't seem to try to correct at all.
I say it's a good thing he wadded it up on his own and hopefully a parent will take away his keys until he learns a little responsibility and car control.
Thread Drift Warning.

What kind of motorcycle do you ride?

Here's my current scooter.




And the bike I gave to the Disabled American Veterans.

Y2K_Bimmer commented:
August 22, 2012, 11:21 pm

GV I want it! Actually just spent half the night on Craigslist looking. I'm somewhere between a BMW K1200GT and a Road Glide... But maybe a K1200S... Can you tour on a Hayabusa?
GVFlyer commented:
August 23, 2012, 12:43 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Y2K_Bimmer View Post
GV I want it! Actually just spent half the night on Craigslist looking. I'm somewhere between a BMW K1200GT and a Road Glide... But maybe a K1200S... Can you tour on a Hayabusa?
Hell yes! Check this out. I think it qualifies as the most interesting application of a Hayabusa.



I rode my Beemer all over Europe and I really wanted a Ducati Diavel to replace it, but I figured that if I rode a 162 HP, 462 lb bike in this country, it would only be a matter of time before I became a grease spot on the highway.

stary commented:
August 23, 2012, 1:54 am

couple of thoughts:

1. douche bag

2. douche bag parents

3. if you watch that crash in slow motion the protection provided by the M3 is AWESOME. this little twerp should at least have some cactus or gravel in his eyes, much less a big chunk of rock. he just walks away. hopefully his parents are good for a new M3 next week for him to wreck.
Three_thirty_I commented:
August 23, 2012, 6:12 am

This has been doing the rounds!

LOL, check the kid's face in the side mirror upon moment of fail! Screen grabbed this off the vid...

jonathan2263 commented:
August 23, 2012, 6:34 am

I sold my SV650s last year. I'm looking for an R1200, but it's a bit big for me and maybe an F800 would be better. But I hope to do some long distance, and the bigger bike would be better on the super slab.

One thing is for sure, being without a bike is no fun.
manticore33 commented:
August 23, 2012, 12:30 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPDSKTR View Post
As someone who barely pulls in $22,000 a year (net income), $60,000 a year would blow my mind. Life would be insanely easy, especially with how I'm used to living. I do work hard. I put my name on paperwork that has some pretty hefty legal weight. My company is just so pro-project manager and anti-everyone else, they fail to pay me what I'm qualified for. And there really doesn't seem to be a market for my job because I constantly get, "We're not hiring" from other companies. I'm tempted to do a full career changeover. I can't be happy while stressing how I'm supposed to pay the bills this month.

To quote a comedian (the name slips my mind): "Money doesn't buy happiness." That's bull. Money buys Sea-Doos. Ever seen a legitimately pissed off person on a Sea-Doo? Thought so.

The $60k mark is the mark when all of your basic needs are more than covered and you can live comfortably. Comfort and security matter the most and once achieved, not much more does. And, in regards to wages, I am right there with you. I've fought since college to finally start feeling like I am making it (soon to be 31). However, I've noticed that my tastes have gone up with my wages. So, you can easily be just as poor at $50k-$60k/year since you want more (bigger apartment or house, fancier / newer cars, better TV, and etc). It is amazing what your expectations can do to you.

In regards to the Sea-Doo, that is temporary happiness.
1991318i commented:
August 24, 2012, 9:29 pm

and that's what he gets for driving around blind corners like that
AlboBMW commented:
August 25, 2012, 9:56 am

The *only* thing the video shows is a deceptive curve, a car going fast, and the driver missing the curve. It shows nothing about the many side issues raised here.

I am glad he is Ok, and I am impressed by the safety of the BMW.

I can't sit here and claim to have never had a close call in my bimmer due to my own error.
WileECoyote commented:
August 25, 2012, 10:04 pm

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Originally Posted by AlboBMW View Post
It shows nothing about the many side issues raised here.
You clearly don't know anything about what a proper driving position is.
wendya commented:
August 26, 2012, 10:33 am

If that was my kid... he'd be flippin' burgers to pay me back for the car! Just ask my daughter! hehehe
jvr826 commented:
August 26, 2012, 3:44 pm

It really isn't the kid's fault actually and it has nothing to do with how he acquired that car. It has everything to do with his inexperience and the lack of foresight of his parents for not requiring he do more than the bare minimum to obtain his license.

Our system in the US for getting a driver license is seriously broken. This same kid living in Europe would have gone thru extensive training and paid a substantial amount of money for the privilege of obtaining his driver license to operate a motor vehicle on public roads. Here in the US you answer 30-40 grade 8 questions on a test and drive down a side street with an examiner in your car. If you don't hit anything or kill anyone, you're good to go!

It is up to us as thinking people to realize that and seek out additional training so events like this don't happen. BMW owners have many opportunities for this training by attending events put on by your local BMWCCA chapter, or attending a Tire Rack Street Survival School if you're 16-19 years old.

IMO, advanced training should be a requirement of all drivers in the US, just like European drivers get. I donate my time to our local chapter several times a year to work with students to understand vehicle dynamics, vision skills, collision avoidance maneuvers, and teach them how to recover when everything goes wrong. It's better to do that in a huge parking lot than get air born on a back road in Arizona, don't ya think?
av98 commented:
August 26, 2012, 4:03 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by jvr826 View Post
It really isn't the kid's fault actually and it has nothing to do with how he acquired that car. It has everything to do with his inexperience and the lack of foresight of his parents for not requiring he do more than the bare minimum to obtain his license.

Our system in the US for getting a driver license is seriously broken. This same kid living in Europe would have gone thru extensive training and paid a substantial amount of money for the privilege of obtaining his driver license to operate a motor vehicle on public roads. Here in the US you answer 30-40 grade 8 questions on a test and drive down a side street with an examiner in your car. If you don't hit anything or kill anyone, you're good to go!

It is up to us as thinking people to realize that and seek out additional training so events like this don't happen. BMW owners have many opportunities for this training by attending events put on by your local BMWCCA chapter, or attending a Tire Rack Street Survival School if you're 16-19 years old.

IMO, advanced training should be a requirement of all drivers in the US, just like European drivers get. I donate my time to our local chapter several times a year to work with students to understand vehicle dynamics, vision skills, collision avoidance maneuvers, and teach them how to recover when everything goes wrong. It's better to do that in a huge parking lot than get air born on a back road in Arizona, don't ya think?
Ducksrunner25 commented:
August 26, 2012, 5:38 pm

[/QUOTE]To quote a comedian (the name slips my mind): "Money doesn't buy happiness." That's bull. Money buys Sea-Doos. Ever seen a legitimately pissed off person on a Sea-Doo? Thought so.[/QUOTE]

Tosh.0


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AlboBMW commented:
August 27, 2012, 11:39 pm

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Originally Posted by WileECoyote View Post
You clearly don't know anything about what a proper driving position is.
I do happen to know about performance driving position. In fact I have a link to it on my signature. I don't think performance driving position would have helped in this case. But hey, on the internet everybody is an expert.
skwidrific commented:
August 28, 2012, 7:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Ronsell View Post
Bad way to get your rocks off...
I see what you did there...
carslut commented:
August 29, 2012, 10:06 am

Boy is his mom going to be pissed at him for wrecking her car............
hikamabp commented:
August 29, 2012, 11:59 pm

Kid clearly has no control over the car, drives like his plating a NFS game , except you don't just respond in the middle of road here