First Photos of F80 M3 Engine - Turbo Inline 6 CONFIRMED

by Tim Jones on September 20, 2012, 1:11 pm
BMW F80 M3 turbo charged I6 engine

The next generation BMW M3 sedan, chassis code F80, has been spied with the hood up showing off the engine. As confirmed by BMW CEO Ludwig Willisch at Bimmerfest 2012 the next generation M3 is indeed a twin turbo inline 6 cylinder. This puts to rest any rumors of a V6 engine for the next generation M3. The new M3 engine borrows technology from the M5/M6 engine. The air-to-water intercooler is clearly evident on the right of the motor and the two intake tubes confirm two turbos feeding it. The oil cooler housing is right off the N54/N55 so that gives some hint that engine displacement will be around 3.0 to 3.5 liters. Power is estimated to be 450hp with about the same for torque, putting the M3 above its rivals for power.

The next generation M3 will also be packed with technology to put the power down faster and more effectively. The active differential from the M5/M6 will make its way over, along with an all aluminum suspension and solid mount rear subframe. Look for the M3 to shed considerable weight over the F30 sedan as well making it faster in a straight line as well as through the corners.

View more F80 M3 engine pictures at AutoExpress

Stay tuned for more F80 M3 news as we get it.


Leave a Comment

You must be a registered member to comment on stories. Please take a moment to register for your free account now. If you already have an account, log in using fields below.










36 responses to First Photos of F80 M3 Engine - Turbo Inline 6 CONFIRMED

tturedraider commented:
September 20, 2012, 1:20 pm

Hey, tim. Running a little behind? I think these were published at least a week ago.
Dave 330i commented:
September 20, 2012, 1:30 pm

Awe, what did you gain by saying that? Now, did the CEO promise better time than the Carrera S at Nürburgring Nordschleife, say 7:50 ish?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFp7huFzy3M
dtc100 commented:
September 20, 2012, 2:19 pm

If only one can be had for around $50k
energetik9 commented:
September 20, 2012, 3:07 pm

Love to hear the part about a "considerable" weight savings from the current model. Looking forward to seeing the final product and placing my order!
tim330i commented:
September 20, 2012, 5:38 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tturedraider View Post
Hey, tim. Running a little behind? I think these were published at least a week ago.
I guess, been busy with other news and projects.

Quote:
Originally Posted by energetik9 View Post
Love to hear the part about a "considerable" weight savings from the current model. Looking forward to seeing the final product and placing my order!
I can't say exactly how they're going to do it, I was simply told it was going to be considerably lighter -

Quote:
Thomas Schemera: Talking about the weight. The weight is of the essence. We have two components, the power train and the chassis. The chassis must be lighter than before and this is what we have to achieve and what we are going to achieve. So you are going to have a light chassis -- lighter than before. And a very good power train.
Read the entire interview - http://www.bimmerfest.com/news/61364...m6-and-f8x-m3/

The F30 sedan has steel front and rear sub frames so making those out of aluminum would be an easy place to start. Aluminum hood? Or will they go all carbon fiber this time around, a carbon fiber hood, roof and trunk would be a huge weight savings. There are plenty of places to take weight out of the car, what it cost to develop and produce the parts is what holds cars to their portly 3500lbs+ weight.

Tim
Chris90 commented:
September 21, 2012, 10:16 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by energetik9 View Post
Love to hear the part about a "considerable" weight savings from the current model. Looking forward to seeing the final product and placing my order!
It's a BMW, the engine will be 40 lbs lighter and the car will be 200lb heavier
Capobranco commented:
September 21, 2012, 12:51 pm

No doubt the new M3/M4 will be more powerful and faster - however, for me the crucial question is - will the new M offer the same sense of connectivity which defines the E92 M3 as a true driver's car. My guess is that the new M3/4M4 will be a wonderful car but possess a very different character à la F10 M5. If this change is a good thing or not remains to be seen and driven.
SuperTerp commented:
September 21, 2012, 12:59 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
No doubt the new M3/M4 will be more powerful and faster - however, for me the crucial question is - will the new M offer the same sense of connectivity which defines the E92 M3 as a true driver's car. My guess is that the new M3/4M4 will be a wonderful car but possess a very different character à la F10 M5. If this change is a good thing or not remains to be seen and driven.
I dunno bro, every 2011+ car I've driven x1,x5,328 all just don't feel the same as the prior years, now I realize M is far different, but I'd just be somewhat worried... The engine also doesn't look as menacing, (maybe it'll have a better cover)
Capobranco commented:
September 21, 2012, 1:36 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperTerp View Post
I dunno bro, every 2011+ car I've driven x1,x5,328 all just don't feel the same as the prior years, now I realize M is far different, but I'd just be somewhat worried... The engine also doesn't look as menacing, (maybe it'll have a better cover)
yep - I'm not a change hater but I realize that change does not necessarily equate to better...
The F10 M5 offers higher performance but I am told it offers a less involving experience...( I have not driven the new M5)

My alternative to the new M4 is a 991 but the 991 has also been morphed into a very different kind of 911 - higher performance but less visceral at real world speeds...a la BMW.

Speaking of Porsches - look at the change from 993 to 996 - you can buy a 996 for next to nothing but 993s are beginning to appreciate. Goes to show that it usually takes some time to realize what you don't have.

If I end up keeping my E92 M3 I won't be unhappy - in terms of my needs and desires I think my E92 M3 is perfect - hard to beat perfect.
Chris90 commented:
September 21, 2012, 3:03 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperTerp View Post
I dunno bro, every 2011+ car I've driven x1,x5,328 all just don't feel the same as the prior years, now I realize M is far different, but I'd just be somewhat worried... The engine also doesn't look as menacing, (maybe it'll have a better cover)
Every non-M car went from hydraulic to electric power steering recently.

Assuming the Ms stick with hydraulic steering, they may not lose the feel that the non-M cars are losing.
Chris90 commented:
September 21, 2012, 3:05 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
yep - I'm not a change hater but I realize that change does not necessarily equate to better...
The F10 M5 offers higher performance but I am told it offers a less involving experience...( I have not driven the new M5)

My alternative to the new M4 is a 991 but the 991 has also been morphed into a very different kind of 911 - higher performance but less visceral at real world speeds...a la BMW.

Speaking of Porsches - look at the change from 993 to 996 - you can buy a 996 for next to nothing but 993s are beginning to appreciate. Goes to show that it usually takes some time to realize what you don't have.

If I end up keeping my E92 M3 I won't be unhappy - in terms of my needs and desires I think my E92 M3 is perfect - hard to beat perfect.
993s have always been crazy expensive, cause it was the last of the air-cooled 911s.

I wonder if the last of the naturally aspirated M cars will also retain their value?
SuperTerp commented:
September 21, 2012, 3:06 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
The F10 M5 offers higher performance but I am told it offers a less involving experience...( I have not driven the new M5).
My 335 is in the shop again (picked her up on thursday this morning ses and crazy rpm needle jumping) but I might have to buy the single one they have on the lot lol. I hope my tolerance for free loaners and work lasts till the m3 comes out then I'd seriously consider jumping into it.

All I can say is thank god for the 4 year warranty I don't mind going into the shop once a day as long as its free lol.

Back on the M3 the more I look at that picture the more it rubs me the wrong way lol... I mean it looks like the 4banger!

http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/0/F/K/1/ag_08m3_engine2.jpg

That is menacing!!! Same with the v10 m5 engine

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__kjL7rUis0...ine_BMW_M5.jpg
tim330i commented:
September 21, 2012, 3:10 pm

There is no visible power steering fluid reservoir so I'm thinking it is electronic power steering.

Tim
SuperTerp commented:
September 21, 2012, 3:12 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
There is no visible power steering fluid reservoir so I'm thinking it is electronic power steering.

Tim
So what do you think of the look? Or are you going to be stoic and not let us know
tim330i commented:
September 21, 2012, 3:14 pm

The look of the engine bay? I like it, it isn't overly done up with plastic. M engines are technical marvels and complex machinery that shouldn't be covered up with big bits of plastic so you can pop the hood and everything looks nice. You should see the engine, not some covers that look "cool".
Capobranco commented:
September 21, 2012, 4:21 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
There is no visible power steering fluid reservoir so I'm thinking it is electronic power steering.

Tim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn6hhrX34Pw
SuperTerp commented:
September 21, 2012, 4:26 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
The look of the engine bay? I like it, it isn't overly done up with plastic. M engines are technical marvels and complex machinery that shouldn't be covered up with big bits of plastic so you can pop the hood and everything looks nice. You should see the engine, not some covers that look "cool".
lol you can see plenty from the last gen its not like lexus

http://www.**************/RoadTests/...gineGry-md.jpg
JoeFromPA commented:
September 21, 2012, 4:52 pm

Very happy if the M3 is going back to an inline six, personally.

My one concern is that the m3, for 25 years, has been a pretty low maintenance and good long-term-ownership car. Bulletproof N/A engines with low levels of complexity helped that.

Now we're going to be introducing multiple turbos, cooling componentry, and a very high specific output for any engine. If it's 3.0 liters and 450hp, it would be 150hp/liter - quite high for a factory output.

Should be a blast to drive, but the 60-90k mile ownership experience will be interesting compared to the relatively easy going e9x, e46, e36, and e30.

P.s. My N/A e39 m5 is an example of a M that is fairly cost to maintain in mid-life, so I know whence from what I speak
tturedraider commented:
September 21, 2012, 9:00 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperTerp View Post
lol you can see plenty from the last gen its not like lexus

http://www.**************/RoadTests/...gineGry-md.jpg
Lexus owners don't even want to know their car has a motor under the hood and Lexus covers it up for them so they never have to see that nasty thing.
GVFlyer commented:
September 22, 2012, 1:44 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
No doubt the new M3/M4 will be more powerful and faster - however, for me the crucial question is - will the new M offer the same sense of connectivity which defines the E92 M3 as a true driver's car. My guess is that the new M3/4M4 will be a wonderful car but possess a very different character à la F10 M5. If this change is a good thing or not remains to be seen and driven.
I doubt that the turbo motor will offer the linearity of the NA V8.
enigma commented:
September 22, 2012, 7:57 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
There is no visible power steering fluid reservoir so I'm thinking it is electronic power steering.

Tim
It's been rumored that the F80 will have EPS, and based on the picture, it looks like the rumor may indeed be true.

I hope they get this one right. The EPS implementation on the F10 isn't an encouraging precedence though.
Chris90 commented:
September 22, 2012, 8:07 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by enigma View Post
It's been rumored that the F80 will have EPS, and based on the picture, it looks like the rumor may indeed be true.
It can be done well, reportedly the Subaru BRZ and Camaro ZL1 have good steering feel.
enigma commented:
September 23, 2012, 5:21 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris90 View Post
It can be done well, reportedly the Subaru BRZ and Camaro ZL1 have good steering feel.
I am sure it CAN be done well... I did test drive the FR-S (BRZ's twin), and I was impressed (so much that I am considering getting one with MT). What a fun car in a light package (2700lbs!).

The question is how well BMW will execute it... So far, I haven't seen a single BMW with good EPS. I test drove the F10 and E89, and I was pretty disappointed in both.
johnbmw6 commented:
September 23, 2012, 7:58 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
No doubt the new M3/M4 will be more powerful and faster - however, for me the crucial question is - will the new M offer the same sense of connectivity which defines the E92 M3 as a true driver's car. My guess is that the new M3/4M4 will be a wonderful car but possess a very different character à la F10 M5. If this change is a good thing or not remains to be seen and driven.
I am afraid it will NOT steer with the same "road contact feel" as the out going model. To much "green emphasis" is being used on ALL new cars regardless of Manufacturers.
Capobranco commented:
September 23, 2012, 9:44 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbmw6 View Post
I am afraid it will NOT steer with the same "road contact feel" as the out going model. To much "green emphasis" is being used on ALL new cars regardless of Manufacturers.
Generally we see the same scenarios in other brands. I recently drove a 991 PDK. Overall I liked the car’s blend of comfort and performance even though the 991 is decidedly less “edgy” - kinda like the BMW of Porsches. However, the 997 steering was seemingly braille-like while the EPS on the 991 offered a less communicative experience. If you never tried a 997 – the more subdued 991 would be perfectly fine. If you go over to Rennlist - many have made similar comments. I guess larger dimensions and more electronics are on every brand’s bill of fare – hopefully the chefs in the M kitchen will maintain their Michelin star by creating uniquely M seaonings - although as we all know seasonings are not ultimately a substitute for great ingrediants. The proof is in the eating.
beden1 commented:
September 23, 2012, 11:27 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
Generally we see the same scenarios in other brands. I recently drove a 991 PDK. Overall I liked the car's blend of comfort and performance even though the 991 is decidedly less "edgy" - kinda like the BMW of Porsches. However, the 997 steering was seemingly braille-like while the EPS on the 991 offered a less communicative experience. If you never tried a 997 – the more subdued 991 would be perfectly fine. If you go over to Rennlist - many have made similar comments. I guess larger dimensions and more electronics are on every brand's bill of fare – hopefully the chefs in the M kitchen will maintain their Michelin star by creating uniquely M seaonings - although as we all know seasonings are not ultimately a substitute for great ingrediants. The proof is in the eating.
Very good statement. I drove them both extensively before deciding to buy the 997.2 Porsche 911 GTS with MT. The outgoing 997.2 model is just more visceral as compared to the new 991 model. I did feel that the new 991 was a better highway cruiser, but it loses the true sports car feel that becomes apparent when you do the back country roads full of twisties and hills. Lancaster, PA was a great proving ground for my test drives.

Although I have not driven the F30, from what I have read, as well as when I drove the F10 to compare our E60, I think both BMW and Porsche have headed in the direction of more comfort to attract a broader customer base.
GVFlyer commented:
September 23, 2012, 11:55 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
Generally we see the same scenarios in other brands. I recently drove a 991 PDK. Overall I liked the car’s blend of comfort and performance even though the 991 is decidedly less “edgy” - kinda like the BMW of Porsches. However, the 997 steering was seemingly braille-like while the EPS on the 991 offered a less communicative experience. If you never tried a 997 – the more subdued 991 would be perfectly fine. If you go over to Rennlist - many have made similar comments. I guess larger dimensions and more electronics are on every brand’s bill of fare – hopefully the chefs in the M kitchen will maintain their Michelin star by creating uniquely M seaonings - although as we all know seasonings are not ultimately a substitute for great ingrediants. The proof is in the eating.
Good post - articulate and accurate.
Chris90 commented:
September 23, 2012, 2:42 pm

I plan to buy a used 997 and keep it forever.
beden1 commented:
September 23, 2012, 2:55 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris90 View Post
I plan to buy a used 997 and keep it forever.
I just returned from a wonderful 24 mile trip (and very little traffic ahead) in my 911 today on some roads that I have not been on for a number of years. There were big swooping drop offs with tight curves, and then climb up again for more of the same along the entire trip. The Porsche has a very long third gear due to it's effortless high revving engine and it is just spectacular. I wish I had gotten one many years ago. It would have saved me a lot of money by not switching cars along the way, and always searching to find the one! This one is definitely a keeper along with my 335is!
Chris90 commented:
September 23, 2012, 7:00 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
I just returned from a wonderful 24 mile trip (and very little traffic ahead) in my 911 today on some roads that I have not been on for a number of years. There were big swooping drop offs with tight curves, and then climb up again for more of the same along the entire trip. The Porsche has a very long third gear due to it's effortless high revving engine and it is just spectacular. I wish I had gotten one many years ago. It would have saved me a lot of money by not switching cars along the way, and always searching to find the one! This one is definitely a keeper along with my 335is!
It's one of the few brands that isn't compromised for the mass market. Guess that's why they're expensive.

If I keep my 330i it won't be cause it's a classic, just cause it's too nice a car to get rid of for only $12k.
enigma commented:
September 23, 2012, 9:38 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
Very good statement. I drove them both extensively before deciding to buy the 997.2 Porsche 911 GTS with MT. The outgoing 997.2 model is just more visceral as compared to the new 991 model. I did feel that the new 991 was a better highway cruiser, but it loses the true sports car feel that becomes apparent when you do the back country roads full of twisties and hills. Lancaster, PA was a great proving ground for my test drives.

Although I have not driven the F30, from what I have read, as well as when I drove the F10 to compare our E60, I think both BMW and Porsche have headed in the direction of more comfort to attract a broader customer base.
I think this is spot on. Many point to the 991 as one of the shinning examples of a well-executed EPS, and I believe it is. However, when compared the the 997, the 991 does feel muted and less communicative. Unless one has prior experience with the 997, the 991 will feel perfectly fine... but it has lost that slight edge that made the predecessor so magical.
Capobranco commented:
September 24, 2012, 6:34 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
... I wish I had gotten one many years ago. It would have saved me a lot of money by not switching cars along the way, and always searching to find the one!...
The One. The mythical One - The One car that perfectly satisfies your needs and desires. The One car that satisfies your enthusiast's soul. The One that transcends price point - old model - new model - electronic this or that. The One that may, or may not, be the fastest or the most comfortable. The One that transcends prestige. The One is in your head and in your heart. You know it when you see it - with the first push of the start button - the first time you blip the gas - Vrrooom Vrrooom - the first time you and the machine magically connect to launch yourself into a fantastic land of automotive bliss. You understand that the machine is alive and that you have never been more alive. You savor the moment.

Cars come and go - they get faster - slicker - more of this and more of that - but "progress" does not necessarily provide automotive sustenance for the soul. It is a wise man who understands what he has before he relinquishes it. I understand your passion for your car - my E92 M3 is the one....at least for this moment.......
dockonrad commented:
September 25, 2012, 9:42 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by GVFlyer View Post
I doubt that the turbo motor will offer the linearity of the NA V8.
linearity???
Chris90 commented:
September 25, 2012, 10:23 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by dockonrad View Post
linearity???
He probably means throttle response. A turbo motor's never going to have the throttle response of a N/A motor.
MJK Z435IS commented:
June 11, 2013, 1:51 pm

911-GTS ( Its that Good)
cwsqbm commented:
June 11, 2013, 4:12 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by MJK Z435IS View Post
911-GTS ( Its that Good)
What's this have to do with the new M3? Besides, that 911 is still no Ferrari.