December 26, 2012, 5:02 pm
Originally Posted by Saintor
4-cylinder turbo are a joke in heavy vehicles and totally unfit in this class since they feel like a Civic, clearly a down grade in feel. Talk to Acura who dismissed their 4-cyl. turbo in their RDX, replaced it with a well-done V6 with improved power and fuel costs. THAT's the proper way to do it.
This is not BMW.
This is the direction of the automobile.
Get used to it or just drive a decades old car for the rest of your life.
-V-6's are now being embraced. First with Fords Ecoboost, now with the Ram and PentaStar. People pay attention to MPG figures now, even with bigger/heavier vehicles. CAFE standards are not letting up anytime soon. You also see the Ecoboost 2.0 in the Ford Edge, Taurus(Explorer too I think), 4000lb vehicles.
Midsize sedans, V-6=premium!
-I think it started with Hyundai. They ditched the V6 being offered which allowed platform design to be 4 cylinder specific which saved weight. The V6 take rate is always small on these cars, maybe 10-15%, willing to bet the 2.0T is 100% as strong if not stronger. More and more cars followed suit, the Malibu is now 4cyl+turbo only, the Fusion also.
Entry level Luxury, nothing luxurious about a 4 cylinder!
-Might have started with Audi and the B8 A4. It started with the 2.0T and the 3.2 3.2 was canned due to sales. Infiniti brought in a base engine, a lower output V6 and it barely lasted a year. The C class, when the redesign came, brought a 201hp SUB 2.0L 4. Sales seem to be pretty solid considering it's an old platform. The ATS brought with it an 2.0L 4 as well(lets ignore the 2.5L as it's fail city).
So in the proper segment that the 3 series competes in....
IS=out of date, base engine 2.5L V-6 is a dog
ATS=handling/steering aside, the 2.0T is not as smooth as the N20, makes about the same power though claims to have much more, and weights 50-100lbs more than the 328(low weight claim for the ATS is low optioned 2.5).
G37=This is the bang for the buck winner. The 2.5L was dropped. The G is old and the Q V-6 is known to be a bit thrashy and in some ways is faster than the N20, others not. The MPG advantage of the N20 is LARGE. But for a $299 lease, the G37 gives nearly 335 levels of performance to value shoppers
C250=The N20 is far more powerful and offers greater efficiency. The C350 BARELY equals the N20 in terms of performance. Sad.
A4=The Torque rich 2.0TSI is the best competing 4 cylinder in many ways. It is quite underrated just like the N20. The N20 still has a slight edge.
S60=Basically a FWD car with a odd 5 cylinder. Not quite competitive here.
So there you have it. BMW is out to make money and to be competitive. Fact is, the N20 F30 is VERY class competitive if not class leading.
So you can lament all you want. Fact is, this is where the industry is now and is going in the future. Even Jaguar now has the 2.0L 4 in the XF, and V8's replaced in the XJ with a 6. Even the A8 has downsized to a 6 for the base engine(just as the 7series did).
So who is in fantasyland now? This is the real world. Where car companies who want to make money and keep up with CAFE downsize their engines.