Next Generation 2014 BMW X5 Spotted Peeling Off Some Camo

by Mark Jurista on December 19, 2012, 8:30 am
2014 BMW X5

The last time we saw some spy photos of the X5 was back in September and the whole car was decked out in camouflage. It looks like BMW has gotten given us a little gift for the holidays with the new X5 being spotted on the streets wearing a little less camo.

2014 BMW X5

This next generation X5 is still on pace to go on sale in 2013 as a 2014 model with numerous changes coming for sure. Under the skin the X5 will share the general drivetrain components from the recently launched BMW X3, expanding on BMW's 'X for all' concept.

2014 BMW X5

2014 BMW X5

2014 BMW X5


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68 responses to Next Generation 2014 BMW X5 Spotted Peeling Off Some Camo

Q. Senna commented:
December 19, 2012, 8:44 am

I was hoping for a more radical change than this.. It looks pretty boring especially when compared to how well Mercedes-Benz did with their new M-Class. I hope non-camo picks change my mind!
z51vette commented:
December 19, 2012, 9:27 am

Looks Girly to me
hotrod2448 commented:
December 19, 2012, 9:43 am

Oh god, it appears to have the side fender vent. Nooooo!

It is kind of weird being able to see daylight through the wheel opening out the front bumper because of the air curtain vent.
Chucktown commented:
December 19, 2012, 10:26 am

It doesn't look radically different, but I think the current model looks pretty damn good so that doesn't bother me at all.

It looks a bit longer behind the rear wheel, but it may be because they are covering part of the window.
UncleJ commented:
December 19, 2012, 12:07 pm

Looks longer to me as well -- note the third row headrests in the back window. There seems to be an almost GL distance between the hatch glass and the headrest. That would of course make it an almost usable three rower! Coupled with the bloated X3 and the early-X3 sized X1 would make the line size similar to the M-B GL/ML/GLK offerings. I am discounting the X6 and R class of course.
twizzleraddict commented:
December 19, 2012, 12:23 pm

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Originally Posted by hotrod2448 View Post
Oh god, it appears to have the side fender vent. Nooooo!
I'm not sure that it does. The camo looks to be deceiving your eyes a bit. It would certainly be a bit of an uproar if the designers incorporated a side fender vent!

It looks a bit boring still until they take off all the camo.
Millennium68 commented:
December 19, 2012, 12:28 pm

Just a little more square. BTW, I think the headrests we see are from the second row, not a third. If you compare this pictures with pictures of current X5, I see that new one would have higher hood and more squarish back window which could translate to more headroom for a third row seating.
pa50i commented:
December 19, 2012, 5:16 pm

I agree those are only second row headrests.

But, I also fear that is a fender vent that I don't think will look good. Exactly what I was hoping against that the new design has lost the more muscular look of the current design that I love. I would rather get another remaining current gen if so. Or move to the M.

Porsche made the Cayenne look soft with the second version. Range Rover has lost the stately look with the new update. Now the X5 is more bland. So much for the ones that I like...X5 being my preference.
hotrod2448 commented:
December 19, 2012, 7:29 pm

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Originally Posted by twizzleraddict View Post
I'm not sure that it does. The camo looks to be deceiving your eyes a bit. It would certainly be a bit of an uproar if the designers incorporated a side fender vent!

It looks a bit boring still until they take off all the camo.
If you've seen the 4 series pictures you know this appears to be their new design direction. This picture certainly looks very much like there is a vent in it:
ndabunka commented:
December 19, 2012, 8:42 pm

There IS a vent behind the front wheels. That aspect is "old news" for about three weeks now. There are other pictures on other threads that display that predominate feature.
Whippa commented:
December 19, 2012, 10:03 pm

Kind of looks like the MDX.....only reason I would wait is for 8 gears on the diesel
tribecaX5 commented:
December 19, 2012, 10:25 pm

By the looks of the body shape it does not look much different from the current model. I wanted something more dramatic.
henrycyao commented:
December 19, 2012, 10:36 pm

Yes, this looks pretty much the same as current BMW X5 except for the rear headlights.

This looks about the same length as before. I don't see more leg room for third row. If rumors proves correct, there supposed to be a stretch version of X5 that seats 3rd row better. That would make sense in the current BMW line up.

I am going to be flamed for this. Chris Bangle's design was more interesting to look at when it was introduced than this new version of X5. BMW has gotten too conservative now. We need a middle ground between Chris Bangle's design and the current one.
tribecaX5 commented:
December 19, 2012, 10:43 pm

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Originally Posted by henrycyao View Post
Yes, this looks pretty much the same as current BMW X5 except for the rear headlights.

This looks about the same length as before. I don't see more leg room for third row. If rumors proves correct, there supposed to be a stretch version of X5 that seats 3rd row better. That would make sense in the current BMW line up.

I am going to be flamed for this. Chris Bangle's design was more interesting to look at when it was introduced than this new version of X5. BMW has gotten too conservative now. We need a middle ground between Chris Bangle's design and the current one.
That's what I am hoping for. I always wondered why does BMW not come up with a GL size model of X. I think it would be a hit.
twizzleraddict commented:
December 20, 2012, 2:53 am

Yeah, I just saw pics of the 4 series now and can see the "direction". Are these for performance reasons or just a visual design aspect that BMW "thinks" will sell?
sirgrotius commented:
December 20, 2012, 7:02 am

Looks like a slightly more feminine version of the current-gen X5 to me, albeit, the potential for a more useable third row and of course any new technologies may be enough to steer me to it.

I'm looking to pickup an X5 soon, and am debating between getting the latest model (good for tax reasons for me, as a small-business owner expecting fewer write-offs and breaks next year) or waiting for this new redesign. Hmmmm...
pa50i commented:
December 20, 2012, 5:30 pm

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Originally Posted by sirgrotius View Post
Looks like a slightly more feminine version of the current-gen X5 to me, albeit, the potential for a more useable third row and of course any new technologies may be enough to steer me to it.

I'm looking to pickup an X5 soon, and am debating between getting the latest model (good for tax reasons for me, as a small-business owner expecting fewer write-offs and breaks next year) or waiting for this new redesign. Hmmmm...
Go get the black X5M at Otto's. You will love it and will do business faster!
Marwan commented:
December 20, 2012, 8:17 pm

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Originally Posted by tribecaX5 View Post
That's what I am hoping for. I always wondered why does BMW not come up with a GL size model of X. I think it would be a hit.
Ask and you shall be given. Apparently the X7 is back on track to be produced. No info yet as to when that will happen, however.
AutoUnion commented:
December 20, 2012, 9:58 pm

I'm liking the new LED headlights, but that's about it. The E70 is still a fantastic looking design after all these years. Super modern and will age gracefully. I think BMW evolving the design was the right design.

That being said, it still has to drive like a BMW. If it drives like the X3, I'm out.
AutoUnion commented:
December 20, 2012, 9:59 pm

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Originally Posted by tribecaX5 View Post
That's what I am hoping for. I always wondered why does BMW not come up with a GL size model of X. I think it would be a hit.
There were rumors of the X7 getting green-lighted before the recession, then it got put on hold. The Mercedes GL essentially has the segment to itself. And I see tons of them everyday. BMW would be smart to jump in.
pa50i commented:
December 21, 2012, 12:03 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
I'm liking the new LED headlights, but that's about it. The E70 is still a fantastic looking design after all these years. Super modern and will age gracefully. I think BMW evolving the design was the right design.

That being said, it still has to drive like a BMW. If it drives like the X3, I'm out.
I havent yet driven the X3. Not considering one, but what's your take on how it drives differently?
Thx.
solstice commented:
December 21, 2012, 12:45 pm

I like it. It seems to be a more elegant version of the current X5 which is already the best looking SUV after the Range Rover. You do need to be careful when lengthening an SUV though, in general the shorter and wider it is the better it looks and there is a line that takes a design into minivan territory. The Q7 has stepped over the line and this new X5 seems to balance on it and only just landing on the right side, we'll know better when the rest of the camo comes off but I think it will look ok.
Millennium68 commented:
December 21, 2012, 2:54 pm

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...deo-53101.html
Yes, it is looking as the same length, but bigger (more headroom) trunk.
AutoUnion commented:
December 21, 2012, 3:41 pm

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Originally Posted by pa50i View Post
I havent yet driven the X3. Not considering one, but what's your take on how it drives differently?
Thx.
It has a good interior, but that's about it. If you get a loaded one with all the suspension upgrades, etc, it drives decent, but it is let down by one thing, the steering. It has zero feeling at all. Nothing like the X5.

The extra money on its bigger brother (the X5), is well spent IMO.

If I was in that segment, I would buy an Audi Q5, not the X3.
BeamerandBimmer commented:
December 21, 2012, 6:15 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
It has a good interior, but that's about it. If you get a loaded one with all the suspension upgrades, etc, it drives decent, but it is let down by one thing, the steering. It has zero feeling at all. Nothing like the X5.

The extra money on its bigger brother (the X5), is well spent IMO.

If I was in that segment, I would buy an Audi Q5, not the X3.
The last time I took my wife's A8 in for service they gave me a Q5 2.0t as a loaner with all the options. It was a nice solid little SUV. If I were interested in a small SUV, I'd put it high on the list, but with the 6 cylinder not the 4.
georgejm commented:
December 21, 2012, 9:54 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
It has a good interior, but that's about it. If you get a loaded one with all the suspension upgrades, etc, it drives decent, but it is let down by one thing, the steering. It has zero feeling at all. Nothing like the X5.

The extra money on its bigger brother (the X5), is well spent IMO.

If I was in that segment, I would buy an Audi Q5, not the X3.
And the Q5 will have diesel next time.
henrycyao commented:
December 22, 2012, 1:09 am

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
There were rumors of the X7 getting green-lighted before the recession, then it got put on hold. The Mercedes GL essentially has the segment to itself. And I see tons of them everyday. BMW would be smart to jump in.
GL must blend in Bay Area too well. I don't see them at all. I do see tons of BMW X5. Today, I spotted another Red BMW X5 Although, it is a pre LCI model.
tol4o commented:
December 23, 2012, 12:47 am

To me the shape looks like Toyota Highlander
I hope it will not come with the new electric steering as the X3 /too soft for BMW I hate it/

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Originally Posted by Whippa View Post
Kind of looks like the MDX.....only reason I would wait is for 8 gears on the diesel
About the 8 speed transmission on the diesel, I think it will be too much shifting. It has plenty of torque and doesn't need to shift as often as the gas version. If you ask me I'd only add 7 speed after the 6th to the current generation X5 diesel. That will ease the engine at highway speeds, keeping the RPM up to 2000 which will also get a significant mpg improvement I can easy bet over 30mpg
UncleJ commented:
December 23, 2012, 9:35 am

Henry come down to the valley and you will see GL's all over the place. Sometimes they are hard to spot because from certain angles they look like the ML. Of course, there are also X5's all over the place too! About the only one that you rarely see here is the T-egg. Even the Cayenne's are getting thick on the ground here. Must be too many IPO's cashing out!
AutoUnion commented:
December 23, 2012, 10:50 am

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Originally Posted by tol4o View Post
About the 8 speed transmission on the diesel, I think it will be too much shifting. It has plenty of torque and doesn't need to shift as often as the gas version. If you ask me I'd only add 7 speed after the 6th to the current generation X5 diesel. That will ease the engine at highway speeds, keeping the RPM up to 2000 which will also get a significant mpg improvement I can easy bet over 30mpg
Audi and VW have no problem using a ZF 8 speed on their less-powerful single-turbo diesel models.
UncleJ commented:
December 24, 2012, 12:04 pm

The new Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel will also have the ZF sourced 8 speed for their 240 hp VM oil burner.
henrycyao commented:
December 24, 2012, 12:37 pm

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Originally Posted by UncleJ View Post
Henry come down to the valley and you will see GL's all over the place. Sometimes they are hard to spot because from certain angles they look like the ML. Of course, there are also X5's all over the place too! About the only one that you rarely see here is the T-egg. Even the Cayenne's are getting thick on the ground here. Must be too many IPO's cashing out!
I was able to spot a couple GL after you mentioned they look like ML. They do look alike. I don't understand why automaker just reuse the same exterior design.

BMW does the same thing as well. BMW 5 and 7 just look like each other with size differences. BMW X5 will look like X3 based on the photos and videos. I guess all these modular platform just ensure everything is the same. That is just boring.

I also do not understand Porsche styling. They always seem to have the same front.
henrycyao commented:
December 24, 2012, 12:40 pm

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Originally Posted by UncleJ View Post
The new Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel will also have the ZF sourced 8 speed for their 240 hp VM oil burner.
The Jeep starts to sound pretty nice now.
AutoUnion commented:
December 24, 2012, 8:22 pm

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Originally Posted by henrycyao View Post
The Jeep starts to sound pretty nice now.
no thanks. Poor resale, quality, fit and finish.
AutoUnion commented:
December 24, 2012, 8:23 pm

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Originally Posted by henrycyao View Post
GL must blend in Bay Area too well. I don't see them at all. I do see tons of BMW X5. Today, I spotted another Red BMW X5 Although, it is a pre LCI model.
I went to Best Buy to go buy a portable HDD drive today. Came out to another Vermillion Red pre-LCI X5 30i parked right next to mine. Should have gotten a picture because this will probably only ever happen once
ndabunka commented:
December 24, 2012, 9:38 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
There were rumors of the X7 getting green-lighted before the recession, then it got put on hold. The Mercedes GL essentially has the segment to itself. And I see tons of them everyday. BMW would be smart to jump in.
The GL shares that market with the Audi Q7 (Huge lumbering mass seating 7 comfortably) & a slew of American-made giants as well as the QX56 from Infiniti and...well, you get the point. BMW doesn't want to be "just another" huge lumbering vehicle. It would HAVE to incorporate ALL the technologies that are optional on these X5's (like AD, adaptive headlights, etc) and that would drive the prices well higher than the GL so it may just be that BMW has decided to forego the minimal extra sales for larger profit margins that they continue to experience in these X5's fully optioned out.
AutoUnion commented:
December 25, 2012, 9:50 am

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Originally Posted by ndabunka View Post
The GL shares that market with the Audi Q7 (Huge lumbering mass seating 7 comfortably) & a slew of American-made giants as well as the QX56 from Infiniti and...well, you get the point. BMW doesn't want to be "just another" huge lumbering vehicle. It would HAVE to incorporate ALL the technologies that are optional on these X5's (like AD, adaptive headlights, etc) and that would drive the prices well higher than the GL so it may just be that BMW has decided to forego the minimal extra sales for larger profit margins that they continue to experience in these X5's fully optioned out.
I had a Q7 before the X5 and it really doesn't compete with the GL. It's too small. The 3rd row is just as useless as the one on the X5. It might look huge on the outside, but it's basically a X5 competitor, just slightly more spacious on the inside.

Don't think the QX or any of the American SUVs hold a candle to the GL. It's in a class of its own in terms of technology, quality, and space.

If Mercedes can offer everything off of a ML on a larger GL (and now a GL AMG!), there is no reason for BMW not to. In fact, it would probably drive better than a GL.
UncleJ commented:
December 25, 2012, 11:42 am

The domestic SUV (and that's what they are, not SAV's) market is a specific one, designed for those who want a reliable and useful truck (again, that's what they are -- not cars pretending to be trucks). Do they have BMW/MB handling, features, etc. -- no. What they do have is space. Anyone who has taken a trip in a Suburban with 6 of their closest friends will understand the popularity of these machines. I am an unreconstructed domestic SUV lover. I enjoy the space, the reliability, inexpensive maintenance/repairs and the utility. What I don't enjoy is the fuel useage. I would sell my BMW tomorrow and get a diesel Tahoe if they offered it again! The upcoming Jeep GC is interesting. It is built on the ML underpinnings (back when MB owned Chrysler) and with that nice diesel may well be a contender. Certainly well worth looking at -- along with the Q5 TDI if it gets more than 30 mpg.
henrycyao commented:
December 25, 2012, 1:27 pm

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Originally Posted by UncleJ View Post
The domestic SUV (and that's what they are, not SAV's) market is a specific one, designed for those who want a reliable and useful truck (again, that's what they are -- not cars pretending to be trucks). Do they have BMW/MB handling, features, etc. -- no. What they do have is space. Anyone who has taken a trip in a Suburban with 6 of their closest friends will understand the popularity of these machines. I am an unreconstructed domestic SUV lover. I enjoy the space, the reliability, inexpensive maintenance/repairs and the utility. What I don't enjoy is the fuel useage. I would sell my BMW tomorrow and get a diesel Tahoe if they offered it again! The upcoming Jeep GC is interesting. It is built on the ML underpinnings (back when MB owned Chrysler) and with that nice diesel may well be a contender. Certainly well worth looking at -- along with the Q5 TDI if it gets more than 30 mpg.
I looked up a review of Suburban since I never know what it looks like inside. Wow, that thing is a giant. It will be hard to make the car drive well. It makes the X5 look darn right small. Even then, X5's turning circle is really bad.

Yes, I do wish BMW has better reputation for reliability. The Chevy will be more reliable but not so with Jeep and Chrysler brand.
pa50i commented:
December 25, 2012, 2:16 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
I had a Q7 before the X5 and it really doesn't compete with the GL. It's too small. The 3rd row is just as useless as the one on the X5. It might look huge on the outside, but it's basically a X5 competitor, just slightly more spacious on the inside.

Don't think the QX or any of the American SUVs hold a candle to the GL. It's in a class of its own in terms of technology, quality, and space.

If Mercedes can offer everything off of a ML on a larger GL (and now a GL AMG!), there is no reason for BMW not to. In fact, it would probably drive better than a GL.
Totally agree with you on these comments. The GL is awfully nice to drive if you need a third row frequently and can stomach the sticker with options. Not an X5 competitor in my book, since I think the BMW third row is a waste of time. The Q7 is pretty small in back for dealing with all of that length in daily use. Not worth it to me, but a great front seat environment for sure.
I also think it's a bit funny how the Range Rover doesnt even offer a third row except in the lower level Land Rover line. As if, the Queen won't have any of that...haha.
I'm curious to drive the new one with the weight loss program.
BeamerandBimmer commented:
December 25, 2012, 2:28 pm

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Originally Posted by henrycyao View Post
I looked up a review of Suburban since I never know what it looks like inside. Wow, that thing is a giant. It will be hard to make the car drive well. It makes the X5 look darn right small. Even then, X5's turning circle is really bad.

Yes, I do wish BMW has better reputation for reliability. The Chevy will be more reliable but not so with Jeep and Chrysler brand.
I wouldn't say that GM products are more reliable. I just traded in my 2009 GMC Acadia on the X5. The interior was total crap plastic, and I was on the THIRD timing chain in 65,000 miles. BTW the engine needs to come out to replace the timing chain. Talk about rattles etc. The positives on the GMC were that it had room for 7 comfortably and the cooled seats were a lot better than what BMW offers.
hotrod2448 commented:
December 25, 2012, 4:48 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
I had a Q7 before the X5 and it really doesn't compete with the GL. It's too small. The 3rd row is just as useless as the one on the X5. It might look huge on the outside, but it's basically a X5 competitor, just slightly more spacious on the inside.

Don't think the QX or any of the American SUVs hold a candle to the GL. It's in a class of its own in terms of technology, quality, and space.

If Mercedes can offer everything off of a ML on a larger GL (and now a GL AMG!), there is no reason for BMW not to. In fact, it would probably drive better than a GL.
The closest thing I see to a true GL competitor is an LR4. I personally would rather have the LR4 even with their terrible reliability. The majority of attainable M-Bs lack character in my opinion, unless it's an AMG or designo edition. Every time I'm in one the interior could just as easily be a Lexus product which, is not bad from a quality stand point it just means it feels mass produced and not special.
NoI4plz commented:
December 25, 2012, 5:25 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
I went to Best Buy to go buy a portable HDD drive today. Came out to another Vermillion Red pre-LCI X5 30i parked right next to mine. Should have gotten a picture because this will probably only ever happen once
Did it happen by any chance on DECEMBER 21ST
NoI4plz commented:
December 25, 2012, 5:33 pm

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Originally Posted by tol4o View Post
To me the shape looks like Toyota Highlander
I hope it will not come with the new electric steering as the X3 /too soft for BMW I hate it/



About the 8 speed transmission on the diesel, I think it will be too much shifting. It has plenty of torque and doesn't need to shift as often as the gas version. If you ask me I'd only add 7 speed after the 6th to the current generation X5 diesel. That will ease the engine at highway speeds, keeping the RPM up to 2000 which will also get a significant mpg improvement I can easy bet over 30mpg
I can bet you all the money in the world that it will have the EPS UNIT!

the 8 speed/many gears concept is great for any motor, fuel efficiency wise, especially on long interstate drives.

What kills it is (not just BMW but any mfg for the many gears concept):

a)when you have to downshift to pass lanes or up a hill, the programming doesnt skip gears
b) when you are driving around town it tries to hunt for the highest gear possible.
c) Throttle lag due to hunting of gears
NoI4plz commented:
December 25, 2012, 5:47 pm

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Originally Posted by UncleJ View Post
The new Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel will also have the ZF sourced 8 speed for their 240 hp VM oil burner.
Quote:
Originally Posted by henrycyao View Post
The Jeep starts to sound pretty nice now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
no thanks. Poor resale, quality, fit and finish.
Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleJ View Post
The domestic SUV (and that's what they are, not SAV's) market is a specific one, designed for those who want a reliable and useful truck (again, that's what they are -- not cars pretending to be trucks). Do they have BMW/MB handling, features, etc. -- no. What they do have is space. Anyone who has taken a trip in a Suburban with 6 of their closest friends will understand the popularity of these machines. I am an unreconstructed domestic SUV lover. I enjoy the space, the reliability, inexpensive maintenance/repairs and the utility. What I don't enjoy is the fuel useage. I would sell my BMW tomorrow and get a diesel Tahoe if they offered it again! The upcoming Jeep GC is interesting. It is built on the ML underpinnings (back when MB owned Chrysler) and with that nice diesel may well be a contender. Certainly well worth looking at -- along with the Q5 TDI if it gets more than 30 mpg.
Quote:
Originally Posted by henrycyao View Post
I looked up a review of Suburban since I never know what it looks like inside. Wow, that thing is a giant. It will be hard to make the car drive well. It makes the X5 look darn right small. Even then, X5's turning circle is really bad.

Yes, I do wish BMW has better reputation for reliability. The Chevy will be more reliable but not so with Jeep and Chrysler brand.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeamerandBimmer View Post
I wouldn't say that GM products are more reliable. I just traded in my 2009 GMC Acadia on the X5. The interior was total crap plastic, and I was on the THIRD timing chain in 65,000 miles. BTW the engine needs to come out to replace the timing chain. Talk about rattles etc. The positives on the GMC were that it had room for 7 comfortably and the cooled seats were a lot better than what BMW offers.



The Jeep GC doesnt hold its value like most american cars once you drive of the lot. However the vehicle itself is a steal considering the underpinnings of the design are straight off the current W166. Inside its again a fiat Jeep mix, but it resembles the W166 interior layout. The jeep does have a pretty good offroad tech (however I think the last gen was more capable). Also the diesel is promising since im sure that the engine has been designed and/or tinkered by Fiat who are much more knowledgeable with diesel motors. All in all, the jeep is for the person who wants something capable, and likes to A) lease cars frequently or B) the person who likes to hold on to their vehicles for a VERY LONG TIME.

In regards to say GM or Chevy or Cadillac GMT930s (subie, escalade, and yukon) theyre mostly there to move stuff such as inanimate objects or people. These vehicles are also rounding out there lifecycles and the 12th gen i believe is coming out (their pickup truck brothers, aka the silverado just came out). The only reason you want to get one of those is
a) you need the space
b) You are a rapper and need the "BLING"
c) IDK think of something that needs space and bling

the GMT930s are amazing at what they do. No European SUV can compare. Plus the reliability (this aint a toyota) is ok, but since the GMTs share components your bound to find enough parts and qualified mechanics to help you if they breakdown.
NoI4plz commented:
December 25, 2012, 5:53 pm

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Originally Posted by henrycyao View Post
GL must blend in Bay Area too well. I don't see them at all. I do see tons of BMW X5. Today, I spotted another Red BMW X5 Although, it is a pre LCI model.
Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleJ View Post
Henry come down to the valley and you will see GL's all over the place. Sometimes they are hard to spot because from certain angles they look like the ML. Of course, there are also X5's all over the place too! About the only one that you rarely see here is the T-egg. Even the Cayenne's are getting thick on the ground here. Must be too many IPO's cashing out!
Quote:
Originally Posted by henrycyao View Post
I was able to spot a couple GL after you mentioned they look like ML. They do look alike. I don't understand why automaker just reuse the same exterior design.

BMW does the same thing as well. BMW 5 and 7 just look like each other with size differences. BMW X5 will look like X3 based on the photos and videos. I guess all these modular platform just ensure everything is the same. That is just boring.

I also do not understand Porsche styling. They always seem to have the same front.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndabunka View Post
The GL shares that market with the Audi Q7 (Huge lumbering mass seating 7 comfortably) & a slew of American-made giants as well as the QX56 from Infiniti and...well, you get the point. BMW doesn't want to be "just another" huge lumbering vehicle. It would HAVE to incorporate ALL the technologies that are optional on these X5's (like AD, adaptive headlights, etc) and that would drive the prices well higher than the GL so it may just be that BMW has decided to forego the minimal extra sales for larger profit margins that they continue to experience in these X5's fully optioned out.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
I had a Q7 before the X5 and it really doesn't compete with the GL. It's too small. The 3rd row is just as useless as the one on the X5. It might look huge on the outside, but it's basically a X5 competitor, just slightly more spacious on the inside.

Don't think the QX or any of the American SUVs hold a candle to the GL. It's in a class of its own in terms of technology, quality, and space.

If Mercedes can offer everything off of a ML on a larger GL (and now a GL AMG!), there is no reason for BMW not to. In fact, it would probably drive better than a GL.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pa50i View Post
Totally agree with you on these comments. The GL is awfully nice to drive if you need a third row frequently and can stomach the sticker with options. Not an X5 competitor in my book, since I rhino the BMW third row is a waste of time. The Q7 is pretty small in back for dealing with all of that length in daily use. Not worth it to me, but a great front seat environment for sure.
I also think it's a bit funny how the Range Rover doesnt even offer a third row except in the lower level Land Rover line. As if, the Queen won't have any of that...haha.
I'm curious to drive the new one with the weight loss program.
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Originally Posted by hotrod2448 View Post
The closest thing I see to a true GL competitor is an LR4. I personally would rather have the LR4 even with their terrible reliability. The majority of attainable M-Bs lack character in my opinion, unless it's an AMG or designo edition. Every time I'm in one the interior could just as easily be a Lexus product which, is not bad from a quality stand point it just means it feels mass produced and not special.
In regards to the euro offerings on the BIG CROSSOVER LUXURY MARKET:

The competitors are quite minimal: GL

Thats literally it. The GL, ATM, is the biggest crossover of them all.

Pros:
-it drives like a MB should (comfortable, relaxed, luxrious)
-Doesnt hide that its a crossover
-interior is beautiful
-Gl caters to almost every driver, (GL450, 350, 550, AMG)

Cons:
-It has some weird production delays (ie no leather for certain models yet, and some of the launch marketing options dont exist due to delays
-The infotainment systems are really last generation, and sometimes not User Friendly (ie the backup camera will only activate if you have the radio on)
-quirky packages for the options
NoI4plz commented:
December 25, 2012, 5:57 pm

There are 4 main vehicles in this category:

LR's LR4
Lexus LX
Infiniti QX
Caddy Escalade

That being said, it depends on your brand image perception (some consider the LX, QX, and escad pricier versions of their siblings ie. Land Cruiser, Armada, and YUKON or SUB respectively).

These 4 candidates really define what BIG LUXURY SUVS are about:

They have tons of room, refinement in terms of gadgets (escalade kinda not), and behemoth engines.
tol4o commented:
December 26, 2012, 11:21 am

After April 2013 the X3 xdrive20d will come to US. The model number for US version will most likely be X3 xdrive28d only because xdrive20d will sound leak for the Americans. It will have the same 4-cyl twin-turbo diesel with 183HP and amazing 42 MPG
This X3 will be a direct competitor to the upcoming Q5 2.0 TDI
AutoUnion commented:
December 26, 2012, 12:29 pm

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Originally Posted by UncleJ View Post
The domestic SUV (and that's what they are, not SAV's) market is a specific one, designed for those who want a reliable and useful truck (again, that's what they are -- not cars pretending to be trucks). Do they have BMW/MB handling, features, etc. -- no. What they do have is space. Anyone who has taken a trip in a Suburban with 6 of their closest friends will understand the popularity of these machines. I am an unreconstructed domestic SUV lover. I enjoy the space, the reliability, inexpensive maintenance/repairs and the utility. What I don't enjoy is the fuel useage. I would sell my BMW tomorrow and get a diesel Tahoe if they offered it again! The upcoming Jeep GC is interesting. It is built on the ML underpinnings (back when MB owned Chrysler) and with that nice diesel may well be a contender. Certainly well worth looking at -- along with the Q5 TDI if it gets more than 30 mpg.
I agree with you on the bulletproof nature of GM SUVs, but Jeep/Dodge/Chrysler products? Hell no.

They have been at the bottom of every reliability/quality survey for the last couple years and NOTHING has improved. A guy in my apartment building has a JGC and he was telling me his is constantly in the dealer for something or another and it cost him $50k+ for his loaded model!
AutoUnion commented:
December 26, 2012, 12:30 pm

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Originally Posted by pa50i View Post
Totally agree with you on these comments. The GL is awfully nice to drive if you need a third row frequently and can stomach the sticker with options. Not an X5 competitor in my book, since I rhino the BMW third row is a waste of time. The Q7 is pretty small in back for dealing with all of that length in daily use. Not worth it to me, but a great front seat environment for sure.
Yeah, the GL is an awesome drive. Basically an S Class in a SUV body. If I ever had a big family, that is what I'm buying (in diesel form)

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I also think it's a bit funny how the Range Rover doesnt even offer a third row except in the lower level Land Rover line. As if, the Queen won't have any of that...haha.
I'm curious to drive the new one with the weight loss program.
3rd row is supposed to be delayed introduction on the new Range.

Even the new Mercedes ML is getting a useless 3rd row option as delayed intro.
AutoUnion commented:
December 26, 2012, 12:32 pm

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Originally Posted by tol4o View Post
After April 2013 the X3 xdrive20d will come to US. The model number for US version will most likely be X3 xdrive28d only because xdrive20d will sound leak for the Americans. It will have the same 4-cyl twin-turbo diesel with 183HP and amazing 42 MPG
This X3 will be a direct competitor to the upcoming Q5 2.0 TDI
US is not getting 2.0TDI Q5. Only the more powerful 3.0TDI Q5 Quattro. It is summer release with the A8/A6/A7 TDIs

X3d was early-to-mid 14, around when the LCI comes around.
AutoUnion commented:
December 26, 2012, 12:33 pm

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Originally Posted by NoI4plz View Post
Did it happen by any chance on DECEMBER 21ST
Maybe. Where were you?
AutoUnion commented:
December 26, 2012, 12:35 pm

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Originally Posted by NoI4plz View Post
Cons:
-It has some weird production delays (ie no leather for certain models yet, and some of the launch marketing options dont exist due to delays
-The infotainment systems are really last generation, and sometimes not User Friendly (ie the backup camera will only activate if you have the radio on)
-quirky packages for the options
I honestly don't understand what MB is doing sometimes. They always delay some of the most important options at introduction. When the new ML came out, the Bi-Xenon package and 360 view cameras were delayed for a couple months. New GL, same crap. I just went thru the lot of my local MB dealer. None of the $70k+ GLs have Xenons or leather. Why aren't these standard at that price!?
UncleJ commented:
December 26, 2012, 1:52 pm

The Jeeps are a lot like Land Rovers/RR's in one respect -- they have a tendency for problems! You soon develop a close relationship with your SM. They also tend to show up at the bottom of various reliability lists. OTOH they also seem to last forever and there are a ton of them still running around. Aside from the cottage industry in replacing the air suspension in the RR's with steel springs it seems like once they reach a certain point all the problems either go away, or are ignored, and the things keep going. I have several friends who swear at, and by, their Jeep GC's - usually kept in the cabin at Tahoe. And would never think of getting anything else. That said, the new ones are "supposed" to be light years better in fit, finish, and reliability. Of course with FIAT ("fix it again Tony") now running the show I will have to be convinced.
tol4o commented:
December 26, 2012, 4:35 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
US is not getting 2.0TDI Q5. Only the more powerful 3.0TDI Q5 Quattro. It is summer release with the A8/A6/A7 TDIs

X3d was early-to-mid 14, around when the LCI comes around.
3.0 TDI in Q5? What a waste! I was sure it's gonna be 2.0 TDI. Where your info comes from?
About the next line of BMW diesels, a salesman at the dealer told me after April 2013, 3 series, X3 and 5 series

From Jeep the only vehicle that I might be interested is Rubicon Diesel

I wish BMW create a real off-road machine like G-class
with 3 blocking differentials, low gear and diesel engine
NoI4plz commented:
December 26, 2012, 6:38 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
Yeah, the GL is an awesome drive. Basically an S Class in a SUV body. If I ever had a big family, that is what I'm buying (in diesel form)


3rd row is supposed to be delayed introduction on the new Range.

Even the new Mercedes ML is getting a useless 3rd row option as delayed intro.

I would heavily doubt the ML 3rd row bit. It absolutely makes no sense, as its already tight. However without the R, the only mommy minivan-suv is going to be the ML as its priced significantly less than the GL
NoI4plz commented:
December 26, 2012, 6:39 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
Maybe. Where were you?
I was at looking at the sky for PLANET NIBIRU
AutoUnion commented:
December 26, 2012, 7:24 pm

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Originally Posted by NoI4plz View Post
I would heavily doubt the ML 3rd row bit. It absolutely makes no sense, as its already tight. However without the R, the only mommy minivan-suv is going to be the ML as its priced significantly less than the GL
http://mbworld.org/forums/new-m-clas...e-7-seats.html

post 10.

My local dealer also told me the exact same thing. They have been briefed in their dealer meetings.

It's probably going to be a more emergency 3rd row (and be completely useless), like the 3rd row on the E70 or Audi Q7.

If you're going to use them on a regular basis, pony up for the GL.
AutoUnion commented:
December 26, 2012, 7:30 pm

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Originally Posted by tol4o View Post
3.0 TDI in Q5? What a waste! I was sure it's gonna be 2.0 TDI. Where your info comes from?
My info comes from official Audi press releases and an Audi test engineer that I frequently PM on another online forum

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/19/a...headed-for-us/

The A8 TDI is going to be rated at 24/36 MPG, so the A6/A7 should be better than that and the Q5 should get about that.

My Audi contact has told me sub 6 0-60 and mid-to-high 30s on the highway in his test Q5 TDI

The upcoming 4 cylinder TDI will be for the B9 A4, next gen A3, Q3, etc.

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About the next line of BMW diesels, a salesman at the dealer told me after April 2013, 3 series, X3 and 5 series
e
Nope, this is wrong.



This is from the last BMW dealer meeting.

The engines were announced here (http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/13/p...w-u-s-dealers/)

As we can see, F30d is coming first. 5 series and X3 won't see diesels until their respective LCI. X5d is a delayed intro after new X5 is out in the Spring.


Audi is bringing the A6/7/8/Q5 TDI all by Fall '13. And by that time, Mercedes will have a GLK250 CDI, C250 CDI, E250 4Matic CDI, E350 RWD, ML250 BT, ML350 BT, S350 4MATIC BT, GL CDI, and so on.


BMW is going to be playing a lot of catch up with Audi and Mercedes.
Nick9597 commented:
December 26, 2012, 10:16 pm

Maybe a few too many drinks tonight but can someone please answer me this.....?

Will the 2014 X5 have a diesel option? Yes or no?
NoI4plz commented:
December 27, 2012, 12:48 am

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Originally Posted by Nick9597 View Post
Maybe a few too many drinks tonight but can someone please answer me this.....?

Will the 2014 X5 have a diesel option? Yes or no?
Thats tricky. According to the EOP and SOP posted here is accurate, the next gen X5 D should launch in december of 2013. Question is whether it will launch as a 2015 model in the year 2013 or will it launch as a 2014 model in the year 2013. lol

Correct me if im wrong lol
tol4o commented:
December 27, 2012, 11:31 am

Thanks for the detailed info. Looks like the salesman is not informed. I usually never trust them completely but I just wanted the info to be right
At least the first BMW diesel to come next year is the new 3 series. I hope it will be the 4cyl twin-turbo diesel and option for manual box

What about he new 3L diesel
What will be different compared to the current 3L? Single turbo? Same engine tuned up for better mpg? Rated 255HP and also less torque

I just found some info
Both engines 2L and 3L will be single turbo twin-scroll
Nick9597 commented:
December 27, 2012, 12:46 pm

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Originally Posted by NoI4plz View Post
Thats tricky. According to the EOP and SOP posted here is accurate, the next gen X5 D should launch in december of 2013. Question is whether it will launch as a 2015 model in the year 2013 or will it launch as a 2014 model in the year 2013. lol

Correct me if im wrong lol
Maybe you've had too many drinks as well. I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. A 2015 model in 2013? How could that be?
AutoUnion commented:
December 27, 2012, 1:15 pm

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Originally Posted by NoI4plz View Post
Thats tricky. According to the EOP and SOP posted here is accurate, the next gen X5 D should launch in december of 2013. Question is whether it will launch as a 2015 model in the year 2013 or will it launch as a 2014 model in the year 2013. lol

Correct me if im wrong lol
New X5 is launching as MY14 in Spring '13. New X5 will be shown at Detroit soon.

Diesel will probably be late '13-early-14 introduction. So probably MY15 for the diesel, but under law, they can't sell a MY15 car until the calendar says January 2014.
AutoUnion commented:
December 27, 2012, 1:17 pm

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Originally Posted by tol4o View Post

I just found some info
Both engines 2L and 3L will be single turbo twin-scroll
I think the 3L diesel we're going to see will just be a US-spec variant of the N57.
NoI4plz commented:
December 27, 2012, 2:49 pm

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Originally Posted by Nick9597 View Post
Maybe you've had too many drinks as well. I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. A 2015 model in 2013? How could that be?
HAHA, you could be right. However I dont drink (-oh)
Marc D commented:
December 28, 2012, 4:43 pm

Is this suppose to look better than previous Model ? not to me anyway...still prefer my 2006 in term of look...
Porche cayenne did amazing facelift in 2011 ...was expecting something in the same range...
henrycyao commented:
January 14, 2013, 12:51 am

Does any one know when 2014 BMW X5 will be reveal as "concept"? I saw that BMW 4 series "concept" is expected to be revealed in Detroit Auto Show this week.