328d coming to the US?

by Tim Jones on January 17, 2013, 1:03 pm
BMW 328d US bound?

At the Detroit Auto Show BMW teased us with details of their 2013 diesel strategy that includes new oil burner engines for the 3 series and 5 series. What they didn't tell us was how these new models would be badged.

This press release from the Montreal Auto Show (above) could be a clue into the naming of the 3 series diesel. On the 17th BMW will be releasing a 328d for the Canadian market. Is it possible we will also see a 328d?


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73 responses to 328d coming to the US?

Saintor commented:
January 18, 2013, 5:17 pm

Gadget lovers will want to know that they changed it from 328d to "3 Series Diesel".
http://www.montrealautoshow.com/uplo...ments_1501.pdf

I sat in it. No reference to 328d at all.

Surprise; it is a 6-cyl. diesel! And max. power happens at a very high 5800rpm.





Thanks to xdrive, goofy SUV wheel gap.



Of course, the sales rep was more interested in his Blackberry than to answer question. lol.

Nevertheless he told me that it was coming in Canada in July.
d geek commented:
January 18, 2013, 5:31 pm

So that is what JSpira was alluding to.
This is an odd development. This is not the 4 cyl diesel that the advance info in Sep described.
240hp? A detuned 330d? but only 295lb-ft?
No F30 d with xDrive except for the 320d on bmw.com
confused
Oh well- I'd buy it anyway
d geek commented:
January 18, 2013, 5:36 pm

Saintor-
Thanks for posting the pics of the xDrive 3er diesel. You of all people!!!!
d geek commented:
January 18, 2013, 5:59 pm

tim330i-
What tech specs did they share in Detroit?
Was the car there? 4 or 6 cyl under the hood?
so many questions.....
btboy97 commented:
January 18, 2013, 6:53 pm

I love it...
bzcat commented:
January 18, 2013, 7:06 pm

Perhaps this is the "in between" diesel engine that is current missing between 320d (180hp) and 330d (260hp) in rest of the world.
Saintor commented:
January 18, 2013, 7:34 pm

But 5800rpm doesn't sound right....
m8o commented:
January 18, 2013, 8:04 pm

This is a performance alternative to the 328i.

Granted the 328i will turn better.
bayoucity commented:
January 18, 2013, 8:10 pm

Saitor, I know how you feel about oil burners but greatly appreciate those photos.
Saintor commented:
January 18, 2013, 8:12 pm

Based on specs, it really look like a detuned N55 (gas), like Audi did with the 3.0T found in the A4/A5 Sportback.

I have this crappy pic. I am now mad at myself not having examined it closely. But you know my interest in diesel. It may even be a 4-cyl., which doesn't explain everything.
CE750Jockey commented:
January 18, 2013, 8:24 pm

Diesels. Diesels. Hurray for the Diesels. NOT!

They're the next "big thing" in the U.S., right? Yeah, just like soccer was, despite the hoopla and Beckham. I've been hearing this for the last 30 years, people. "Oh but you don't have to warm 'em up anymore. They're not slow anymore. They're not noisy, or smokey anymore. They have incredible torque. They get great mileage". Blah. Blah. Blah. It ain't gonna happen. The U.S. is not Europe. We don't want small cars, Smart cars, or diesels. Got it?!
bayoucity commented:
January 18, 2013, 8:26 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by m8o View Post
This is a performance alternative to the 328i.

Granted the 328i will turn better.
F30 328i's hp is 240/5000-6000 rpm & torque lb-ft/rpm255/1250-4800

F30 328d's hp is 240/5800 rpm & 295lb-ft

If the 1st photo is accurate, 328d will turn better.

What are you smoking today?

d geek commented:
January 18, 2013, 8:29 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
But 5800rpm doesn't sound right....
Maybe the display was in error?
bayoucity commented:
January 18, 2013, 8:32 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Maybe the display was in error?
I think so. That's high for oil burner.

Also, I do not see an urea tank on either driver or passenger side. Is it only applicable to EPA & not Canadians?
d geek commented:
January 18, 2013, 11:20 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by bayoucity View Post
I think so. That's high for oil burner.

Also, I do not see an urea tank on either driver or passenger side. Is it only applicable to EPA & not Canadians?
It will have urea to meet the emission requirements in N America. It may be located under the fuel tank flap
hans007 commented:
January 19, 2013, 3:44 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
Perhaps this is the "in between" diesel engine that is current missing between 320d (180hp) and 330d (260hp) in rest of the world.
If I remember there's a 123d in Europe that produces 204hp in 2.0 liter form. 295 torque
Andrew*Debbie commented:
January 19, 2013, 4:06 am

Interesting. There is a gap in the current model lineup. 316d, 318d, 320d, 330d.

In Germany, the current xDrive cars are 320i, 328i, 335i and 320d. The 330d probably has too much torque for the xDrive mechanism. 330d is 560Nm torque and 335i is "only" 400Nm. 320d is 380Nm.

At the moment the UK market only gets a 320i xDrive. --With fuel around $8.70 per US gallon, I have no idea why we don't get the 320d.
d geek commented:
January 19, 2013, 10:10 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew*Debbie View Post
... The 330d probably has too much torque for the xDrive mechanism. ...
Nah- they sell the 530d with xDrive
d geek commented:
January 19, 2013, 10:14 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew*Debbie View Post
...
At the moment the UK market only gets a 320i xDrive. --With fuel around $8.70 per US gallon, I have no idea why we don't get the 320d.
?
bmw.co.uk shows both 320d and 320d xDrive
d geek commented:
January 19, 2013, 11:55 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by CE750Jockey View Post
Diesels. Diesels. Hurray for the Diesels. NOT!

They're the next "big thing" in the U.S., right? Yeah, just like soccer was, despite the hoopla and Beckham. I've been hearing this for the last 30 years, people. "Oh but you don't have to warm 'em up anymore. They're not slow anymore. They're not noisy, or smokey anymore. They have incredible torque. They get great mileage". Blah. Blah. Blah. It ain't gonna happen. The U.S. is not Europe. We don't want small cars, Smart cars, or diesels. Got it?!
With the CAFE increases, diesel technology is an attractive means to meeting the higher FE requirements. Drive a modern diesel and let us know what you think.
d geek commented:
January 19, 2013, 12:15 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
...
I have this crappy pic. I am now mad at myself not having examined it closely. But you know my interest in diesel. It may even be a 4-cyl., which doesn't explain everything.
That's a 4 cyl
DnA Diesel commented:
January 20, 2013, 4:04 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
But 5800rpm doesn't sound right....
Agree. Even the N57D20S (the M550x/X5Md/X6Md power plant) only hits 5400.

As well, 240hp versus the non-SCR equipped 218hp peak of the current highest power N47-variant seems questionable with only a dual-scroll single turbo. While the N57D20S is creating 125hp/L, that is with a triple turbo, sequential charge system...and no SCR. only 5hp less per Litre with a single turbo seems dubious. The charge pressure would be insane to get that much air into the engine to make that power.

I think there were some errors on the product display.


Regards
D.
m8o commented:
January 20, 2013, 9:26 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by bayoucity View Post
F30 328i's hp is 240/5000-6000 rpm & torque lb-ft/rpm255/1250-4800
F30 328d's hp is 240/5800 rpm & 295lb-ft
If the 1st photo is accurate, 328d will turn better.
What are you smoking today?
Whelp, if you were to visit the international sight you'd fine the 328d to be quicker and more efficient than the 328i equiv; and a diesel lump is always heavier up front than a petrol engine of the same displacement. So I stand by both my statements.
d geek commented:
January 20, 2013, 10:02 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by m8o View Post
Whelp, if you were to visit the international sight you'd fine the 328d to be quicker and more efficient than the 328i equiv; and a diesel lump is always heavier up front than a petrol engine of the same displacement. So I stand by both my statements.
Except that there is no 328d on the international site (or anywhere in the world for that matter)...
Saintor commented:
January 20, 2013, 10:30 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Except that there is no 328d on the international site (or anywhere in the world for that matter)...

Hum!



This car is probably a prototype - this pic was taken in September.
m8o commented:
January 30, 2013, 10:57 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Except that there is no 328d on the international site (or anywhere in the world for that matter)...
It may have been confusion between marketing and the site content admins, or just an overzealous website admin, but I'm sure it was there when I wrote my reply as I used the "Compare" widget @ the bottom to compare them.
d geek commented:
February 3, 2013, 10:03 am

Looks like it will be badged as a 328d. Makes little sense to me but I'd seriously consider one for my next car.
Also available in xDrive sedan or wagon starting in July.
bayoucity commented:
February 3, 2013, 11:14 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Looks like it will be badged as a 328d. Makes little sense to me but I'd seriously consider one for my next car.
Also available in xDrive sedan or wagon starting in July.
D, where's the source? What about F10?
bayoucity commented:
February 3, 2013, 11:17 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Looks like it will be badged as a 328d. Makes little sense to me but I'd seriously consider one for my next car.
Also available in xDrive sedan or wagon starting in July.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bayoucity View Post
D, where's the source? What about F10?
D, my bad. I just seen Jon's posting. I'm getting 535 d . YES !
PeteRock commented:
February 4, 2013, 12:24 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by CE750Jockey View Post
Diesels. Diesels. Hurray for the Diesels. NOT!

They're the next "big thing" in the U.S., right? Yeah, just like soccer was, despite the hoopla and Beckham. I've been hearing this for the last 30 years, people. "Oh but you don't have to warm 'em up anymore. They're not slow anymore. They're not noisy, or smokey anymore. They have incredible torque. They get great mileage". Blah. Blah. Blah. It ain't gonna happen. The U.S. is not Europe. We don't want small cars, Smart cars, or diesels. Got it?!
Be thankful you pay half what we do for fuel in the UK!
floydarogers commented:
February 4, 2013, 10:25 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteRock View Post
Be thankful you pay half what we do for fuel in the UK!
Actually, we pay the same for the FUEL. You pay more in taxes. That's your choice, which you could change if you really felt the need, by electing different MPs.
PeteRock commented:
February 5, 2013, 2:56 am

Show me the main party that had it in their election campaign to halve (or even mention any sort of reduction) the price of fuel
3ismagic# commented:
February 5, 2013, 9:01 am

Just pay the taxes. You have nice roads and infrastructure to thank for it. You get what you pay for.

The roads and bridges in the US are all crumbling to sh!te because everyone thinks it's their god-given right to drive on them but no one wants to pay taxes to pay for them.
tim330i commented:
February 5, 2013, 4:23 pm

328d confirmed for the US market - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=674043

Tim
d geek commented:
February 5, 2013, 5:40 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
328d confirmed for the US market - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=674043

Tim
Thanks
Where is the engine info you said you'd have for us last week?

Thanks for any info.
tim330i commented:
February 5, 2013, 5:44 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Thanks
Where is the engine info you said you'd have for us last week?

Thanks for any info.
What info are you looking for again? I think most of what I was talking about is in the EOP/SOP doc Jon posted.

Tim
d geek commented:
February 5, 2013, 5:51 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
What info are you looking for again? I think most of what I was talking about is in the EOP/SOP doc Jon posted.

Tim
This:
Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
The diesel bound for the US is a new engine so European models will not directly correlate.

I got some good inside info about the Diesel's coming later this week.

Tim
Anything specific on the engines, or did I misunderstand?
tim330i commented:
February 5, 2013, 5:52 pm

I knew we'd have the general details from the SOP dates. Engine specifics won't be released until closer to the NY auto show.

Sorry if I was misleading.

Tim
d geek commented:
February 5, 2013, 5:57 pm

OK- thanks for the clarification.
So what did you mean by "new engine"? Power output shared last July indicates the N47D20 will be used. Why do you conclude it will be new?

Thanks again
tim330i commented:
February 5, 2013, 6:00 pm

I was referencing the 3.0, which I was expecting to make it into the 3er - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...ghlight=diesel

Tim
d geek commented:
February 5, 2013, 6:07 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
I was referencing the 3.0, which I was expecting to make it into the 3er - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...ghlight=diesel

Tim
Understood.
So now that they are clearly bringing over only the 4 cylinder d for the 3er, do you have any reason to believe the engine will NOT be the same as the one in the 320d?
tim330i commented:
February 5, 2013, 6:12 pm

No, I think it will be the same one with tweaks for US emissions.

Tim
d geek commented:
February 5, 2013, 6:18 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
No, I think it will be the same one with tweaks for US emissions.

Tim
The 320d with the blue performance (urea injection) option meets Euro 6 standards, which are very close to our current US emission standards. I don't see it needing any additional tweaks. At least I really hope so.

On the other hand they did extensive redesign on the engine used in the 335d and x5d for the US market (not emissions, but more like NVH tweaks) so who really knows.
Mark K commented:
February 5, 2013, 6:44 pm

Oh, yeah? Like ... July? And when is BMWNA planning on telling us those things? Together with full specs?

You know what? Wait is over for me. I already budgeted and I am buying Golf TDI this June. To add to Jetta TDI I already have.

What happens to E92? It will stay in a third-car-limbo for some time. I heard there will be some awesome deals to be had on used Caymans come this fall. It might come to be a BMW-less garage in my household again. I won't bother you with sentimental stories, but believe me when I tell you that, if they would give me exactly what I want, I would have two BMWs in garage.

So, back to that old saying "Idiots with money buy yachts, rich people buy Congressman."

BMWNA seem to be short-sighted idiot with a lot of money to burn.
tim330i commented:
February 5, 2013, 6:46 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark K View Post
Oh, yeah? Like ... July? And when is BMWNA planning on telling us those things? Together with full specs?
End of March.

Tim
Saintor commented:
February 5, 2013, 8:51 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim330i View Post
328d confirmed for the US market - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=674043

Tim
Given the relative success of the X5d, I don't understand why there is not a X3d yet.
tim330i commented:
February 6, 2013, 10:20 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
Given the relative success of the X5d, I don't understand why there is not a X3d yet.
Maybe something to do with the LCI that is coming?

Tim
m8o commented:
February 13, 2013, 10:43 pm

Been reading in a lot of places the engine is more likely to be the twin-turbo four-cylinder used in cars like the 125d turned 'blue' (and maybe more boost?) and not engine from the the 320d. More than bummed we won't get a performance diesel like the 335d, but 218hp (perhaps stepped up a little more too) is better than 184hp.
d geek commented:
February 13, 2013, 10:47 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by m8o View Post
Been reading in a lot of places the engine is more likely to be the twin-turbo four-cylinder used in cars like the 125d turned 'blue' (and maybe more boost?) and not engine from the the 320d. More than bummed we won't get a performance diesel like the 335d, but 218hp (perhaps stepped up a little more too) is better than 184hp.
twinpower turbo is not twin turbo.

Based on the info from BMW, it is the engine from the 320d.
eboettne commented:
February 13, 2013, 11:06 pm

Sorry if this is a novice question, but will the 328d cost more than the 328i? If so, how much more approximately would you think?
d geek commented:
February 13, 2013, 11:19 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by eboettne View Post
Sorry if this is a novice question, but will the 328d cost more than the 328i? If so, how much more approximately would you think?
Good question. A 320d with the blue performance option cost about the same as a 328i in Europe. Now that they're playing games with the name I would not be surprised if they used that to justify jacking the price up. That would be a shame. I hope they keep it on par with the 328i.
fastm3 commented:
February 14, 2013, 12:02 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Good question. A 320d with the blue performance option cost about the same as a 328i in Europe. Now that they're playing games with the name I would not be surprised if they used that to justify jacking the price up. That would be a shame. I hope they keep it on par with the 328i.
I was hoping it'd be on par with the 320i, not the 328i....but we shall see.
Robert A commented:
February 14, 2013, 12:35 am

At this point, is the hp of the 328d pure speculation, or does anyone actually have a bit of information on this?

If it's only speculation, and we're looking at a car that is priced and marketed alongside the 328i, I suspect (and hope) we're getting the 218hp model.

Quote:
Originally Posted by m8o View Post
Been reading in a lot of places the engine is more likely to be the twin-turbo four-cylinder used in cars like the 125d turned 'blue' (and maybe more boost?) and not engine from the the 320d. More than bummed we won't get a performance diesel like the 335d, but 218hp (perhaps stepped up a little more too) is better than 184hp.
d geek commented:
February 14, 2013, 12:52 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert A View Post
At this point, is the hp of the 328d pure speculation, or does anyone actually have a bit of information on this?

If it's only speculation, and we're looking at a car that is priced and marketed alongside the 328i, I suspect (and hope) we're getting the 218hp model.
Someone took pics from a BMW internal meeting last July of a slide show that listed the engines. The one to be used in the 3er first had same HP & torque as 320d. (180/280)
Robert A commented:
February 14, 2013, 1:10 am

That's a bit of information.



Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Someone took pics from a BMW internal meeting last July of a slide show that listed the engines. The one to be used in the 3er first had same HP & torque as 320d. (180/280)
d geek commented:
March 30, 2013, 12:02 pm

More detail from yesterday's press release:
Quote:
BMW 328d Sedan. (03/2013) Show all media
Ushers in next wave of BMW Advanced Diesel models in the US
45 mpg preliminary estimate for highway fuel economy*

Woodcliff Lake, NJ March 29, 2013.. BMW debuted the new 328d Sedan at the New York International Auto, ushering in the next wave of BMW Advanced Diesel models in the US. The 328d will feature BMW's 2.0-liter TwinPower diesel 4-cylinder engine. It produces 180 horsepower and 280 lb-ft of torque, available from 1,750 rpm. It will be mated to an 8-speed automatic transmission. The 328d Sedan will accelerate from 0 60 mph in just over seven seconds. Preliminary highway fuel economy estimates are expected to be 45 mpg. The 328d Sedan will be available in rear wheel drive and also with xDrive, BMW's advanced all-wheel drive system. The sedans will be joined by the 328d xDrive Sports Wagon. All Three variants will arrive in US showroom as 2014 models in fall of 2013.
BMW Advanced diesel models have already shown to US enthusiasts that diesel power can be perfectly suited to The Ultimate Driving MachineTM. With the introduction of the first 4-cylinder diesel BMW engine offered in the US, BMW Advanced Diesel power and particularly outstanding levels of torque and outstanding fuel efficiency. Preliminary fuel economy estimates for the rear wheel drive 328d Sedan are 32 mpg city/45 mpg highway/37 mpg combined*. BMW Advanced Diesel technology includes Selective Catalyst Reduction to make the new 328d models true clean diesels.
Levels of performance and luxury expected of any BMW 3 Series will be ensured with levels of standard equipment on par with the 328i gasoline models. The options list will include Luxury, Sport and Modern Lines as well as M Sport.
Detailed specifications and pricing will be available closer to launch. All three 328d variants will be available in US showrooms this fall.
Robert A commented:
March 30, 2013, 12:14 pm

But at what price? 40k base is 3k above the 328i. Hopefully the equipment level is higher and the residuals are good.
krash commented:
March 30, 2013, 12:14 pm

At one time, I always thought that the last 2 digits signified size of engine.

But the 335i has a 3.0 liter engine, not a 3.5 liter engine. The 328i, 320i and 328d all have a 2.0 liter engine.

So either I was wrong with that assumption altogether, or they simply just threw that out the window sometime when I wasn't paying attention...
d geek commented:
March 30, 2013, 12:18 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
At one time, I always thought that the last 2 digits signified size of engine.

But the 335i has a 3.0 liter engine, not a 3.5 liter engine. The 328i, 320i and 328d all have a 2.0 liter engine.

So either I was wrong with that assumption altogether, or they simply just threw that out the window sometime when I wasn't paying attention...
The latter.
d geek commented:
March 30, 2013, 12:19 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert A View Post
But at what price? 40k base is 3k above the 328i. Hopefully the equipment level is higher and the residuals are good.
This interview indicates that MSRP will be <$40k
http://www.thedieseldriver.com/2013/...d-intro-video/
Saintor commented:
March 30, 2013, 12:20 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert A View Post
But at what price? 40k base is 3k above the 328i. Hopefully the equipment level is higher and the residuals are good.
My concern too.

Actually if the 328d has a 0-60mph time in 7.1s, that's the same as a 320i.... that starts at 32500$.
d geek commented:
March 30, 2013, 12:26 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
My concern too.

Actually if the 328d has a 0-60mph time in 7.1s, that's the same as a 320i.... that starts at 32500$.
The EcoCredit will knock the MSRP down to around $35k for the 328d

the 328d will have about 30% better fuel economy than the 320i.
Robert A commented:
March 30, 2013, 12:27 pm

"Less than $40K" is code for $39,875 or something like that. We need to see the relative equipment levels of the 328d/328i to really judge. On it's face, though, a $3k premium is a bit rich, especially given the fact that in other markets the 320d costs several thousand less than the 328i.


Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
This interview indicates that MSRP will be <$40k
http://www.thedieseldriver.com/2013/...d-intro-video/
d geek commented:
March 30, 2013, 12:30 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert A View Post
"Less than $40K" is code for $39,875 or something like that. We need to see the relative equipment levels of the 328d/328i to really judge. On it's face, though, a $3k premium is a bit rich, especially given the fact that in other markets the 320d costs several thousand less than the 328i.
Not when the 320d in those markets is equipped with the options (auto and blueperformance) that the 328d will come with. Then it is much closer in price- nearly the same in the UK, and about 1000 Euros less in Germany.
Robert A commented:
March 30, 2013, 12:50 pm

So that would suggest relatively the same pricing at comparable equipment levels, not a $3k diesel premium. I would not be surprised if the 328d includes as standard certain things that are optional on the 328i.

[EDIT] Since we're dealing with 2014, it's always possible that the base equipment levels and packages are altogether different. I would not be surprised if "lines" are now standard, and the non-line car is limited to the 320i. I also expect the Modern Line to go by the wayside.

Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Not when the 320d in those markets is equipped with the options (auto and blueperformance) that the 328d will come with. Then it is much closer in price- nearly the same in the UK, and about 1000 Euros less in Germany.
bmw_or_audi commented:
March 30, 2013, 5:31 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
At one time, I always thought that the last 2 digits signified size of engine.

But the 335i has a 3.0 liter engine, not a 3.5 liter engine. The 328i, 320i and 328d all have a 2.0 liter engine.

So either I was wrong with that assumption altogether, or they simply just threw that out the window sometime when I wasn't paying attention...
That was true most of the time a very long time ago. It hasn't been a reliable indicator for at least 15 years. Sometimes the numerical differences are increased to make the models look like they are far enough apart to justify the price differences.
krash commented:
March 30, 2013, 5:59 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
That was true most of the time a very long time ago. It hasn't been a reliable indicator for at least 15 years. Sometimes the numerical differences are increased to make the models look like they are far enough apart to justify the price differences.
I was thinking that they might have boxed themselves in with this system. I am going to make up some product numbers here just to illustrate this.

For example, what if they have a 340 out on the market. The 340 has a 4.0 liter engine, but what if they came out with a smaller engine that is actually much better in terms of performance and has much more HP. I would think it would be very difficult to start selling a 330i instead of a 340i, right? Again, just making up numbers for the purposes of this discussion...No need to point out that there was never any such thing as a 340.
Robert A commented:
March 30, 2013, 6:05 pm

A lot of this goes back to the original 745i, an early '80s car that had a 3.0 or 3.2 liter turbocharged motor. Also around that time, my 325e had a 2.7 while my friend's 528e had the same 2.7 (which in Europe was called the 525e).

The original 1970s 320i had a 2.0. When the motor was reduced to 1.8, the car retained the 320i name.
d geek commented:
March 30, 2013, 9:41 pm

Yes,its old news that BMW has 2 liter 4cyl and 3 liter 6 cyl gas and diesel engines for most of their vehicles.


How bout those diesels, though
bmw_or_audi commented:
March 31, 2013, 2:18 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
I was thinking that they might have boxed themselves in with this system. I am going to make up some product numbers here just to illustrate this.

For example, what if they have a 340 out on the market. The 340 has a 4.0 liter engine, but what if they came out with a smaller engine that is actually much better in terms of performance and has much more HP. I would think it would be very difficult to start selling a 330i instead of a 340i, right? Again, just making up numbers for the purposes of this discussion...No need to point out that there was never any such thing as a 340.
I think so too. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if in a year or two they came up with a more potent turbo-charged 3.0L I6 and renamed the lineup as 340, 330, and 320.
hans007 commented:
March 31, 2013, 3:44 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by d geek View Post
The EcoCredit will knock the MSRP down to around $35k for the 328d

the 328d will have about 30% better fuel economy than the 320i.
The eco credit was a BMW rebate not a government program. They'll only bring it out if it sells badly again. And if they price it right it won't sell as badly so no eco credit
krash commented:
March 31, 2013, 5:21 pm

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
I think so too. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if in a year or two they came up with a more potent turbo-charged 3.0L I6 and renamed the lineup as 340, 330, and 320.
I was thinking that too.

340
330
320

and maybe:

550
540
530
rmorin49 commented:
March 31, 2013, 8:56 pm

So, basically the 328d sold in the US is a rebadged 320d gussied up to sell to gullible Americans? I owned a 335d for a couple years and it was a great car but if the 328d is sold at a premium price, I don't think it will sell in much volume in the US.