F30 3 Series Sedan Review - Five days in and loving it

by Bimmerfest.com Member - krash on March 23, 2013, 1:20 pm
Ok, I have had my car for 5 days now. Here's a review.

Modes and DHP: Very cool. You basically have 3 different cars. Each with a unique set of performance and suspension characteristics.
  • ECO Mode: I never thought Iíd use this, but itís perfect for bumper to bumper rush hour traffic. I use this every day, but beware, in ECO mode, the car is just not very thrilling to drive at all. Thatís by design. Itís designed to save fuel. I call it the Toyota Prius mode. But during rush hour traffic, it's not like I can go anywhere fast anyway...
  • Comfort Mode: Very nice. Perfect for driving around town, perfect for a quick trip to the super market. I call this the Acura TL mode, but in all fairness, even in comfort mode, the F30 is still much tighter and much firmer than a TL.
  • Sport Mode / Sport Mode +: Awesome. Just awesome. You just have to experience it yourself. This is what I use on roads where I can let it rip. My E90 335 never performed so good. Sport mode keeps the engine revving for sudden burst of acceleration. Speed is not just about 0 to 60. I am talking about acceleration across the entire band. 30 to 60. 20 to 50. 10 to 40. 50 to 70. WOW! JUST WOW! In terms of handling, I will never take this car on a track, but honestly, on the open road, itís as good or better than the E90. I really donít get how people could say otherwise. Itís definitely not inferior to the E90. Thatís for sure.

Transmission: 8 Speed Sport with paddle shifters is a HUGE improvement over the base E90 335 Steptronic. HUGE! The 8 Speed is the fastest transmission I ever had. Overall performance is exhilarating in the Sport modes. Even though the E90 335 was wicked fast, there was always that lag I didnít like because of the Steptronic transmission. Keep in mind, Iím obviously only comparing the E90 6 Speed Step with the F30 8 Speed Sport. Manual transmissions aren't applicable here...

Engine: I already talked a lot about performance, but yeah, the 6 is lots of fun. 300 HP! Very cool! Acceleration is exhilarating. Nothing really to add...

Sport Seats: Jury still out. I obviously still need to fool around with the settings some more. One thing is for sure, I can see how a much bigger person would absolutely hate these things. Iím about 5í10Ē 175 lbs, and I feel like I am having a hard time squeezing into these. I am beginning to think that these sport seats might turn out to be the one thing I donít like about this car.

ASS: After reading all the negative reviews on the ĎFest, I expected the worse, but after experiencing it firsthand, it just isnít that horrible (IMHO). I definitely see no need to re-program it. I just leave it on all the time. Honestly, itís not that bad.

Steering: I read a lot of reviews asserting that the E90 had superior steering qualities, but keep in mind, thatís subjective and opinion, itís not fact. Just like with ASS, after reading all the negative reviews, I expected the worse, but the steering is fine. Keep in mind, I have DHP -- so folks without DHP might experience something totally different. However, I really like the variable sport steering that comes with DHP and how it adapts to different situations. The steering feels perfect to me.

HK Sound System: Sounds great. 16 Speakers, 600 Watts. What do you expect? I took some of the advice I read on the ĎFest. I adjusted the fader to the back speakers ever so slightly. That really does improve it. However, I decided to leave surround sound turned on. I also set bass, treble and the EQ flat. I just like it better that way. I was listening to Dream Theater the other night, and it sounded fantastic. Of course, Sirius sounds like crap, and that was expected, because Sirius always sounds like crap no matter what kind of car or sound system you have. I still listen to Sirius a lot anywayÖLots of good programming.

NAV & iDrive: Excellent. I just love how I can email an address or POI from Google to the car. Itís just fantastic! Perfect example is that I was looking at a college for my son on the internet. Weíre going to visit the campus 2 weeks from now. From Google, I simply just clicked on the address in Maps, and sent it right to my car. 2 weeks from now, when we get in the car to go, I can just pull it up in messages, click on it, and weíre all set. How cool is that? I also like the much bigger screen in the F30 relative to the E90. In terms of iDrive in general, I've been a fan since the beginning. No complaints there at all...

Rear View Camera: This is going to be a controversial statement, but this might be one of the biggest improvements the F30 offers over the E90. Rear camera is really nice; especially in conjunction with PDC. I also like how it kicks in automatically when youíre pulling into the garage. You donít have to be in reverse for it to kick in. Very nice.

Instrumentation & Controls: Generally speaking, itís very similar, and almost identical to the E90 in a lot of ways. The 2 extra programmable buttons is a nice bonus. I do like the 4 dial layout better than the 2 dial layout that was in the E90. I also like the extra sport dials you get in sport mode: HP and Torque. Very cool! In terms of HUD, I like it. I'm not as passionate about it as others, but I like it.

Fit, finish, quality of materials: Very very good. Not as opulent as a 535, but still very goodÖ

Comfort Access: Itís basically the same as the E90 comfort access, but also includes hands free trunk opening. This is a nice feature because I throw my laptop in the trunk when going to and from work. I havenít had too many problems with this yet. Only exception was Thursday after work. Not sure why, but it just didnít openÖPlus, I sort of looked goofy trying to get it to work. People were looking at me like I was some kind of moron. I finally just opened it manually, but it has worked fine since then.

Lighting package: It comes standard with the 335 and is basically the same as what we got on the E90, but I just felt it necessary to say how much I love it.

Overall, after 5 days, no regrets at all. I'm loving it.


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54 responses to F30 3 Series Sedan Review - Five days in and loving it

HokieXDriver commented:
March 23, 2013, 1:33 pm

Thanks, great write-up.

Could you elaborate on your statement about the PDC, that it kicks in automatically when you pull into the garage and you don't have to be in reverse? Does it come on automatically when it senses something close to the front bumper?
krash commented:
March 23, 2013, 1:39 pm

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
Thanks, great write-up.

Could you elaborate on your statement about the PDC, that it kicks in automatically when you pull into the garage and you don't have to be in reverse? Does it come on automatically when it senses something close to the front bumper?
Yes, that's exactly what happens. As long as I have PDC activated, it automatically kicks in when I pull into the garage. That was a very pleasant surprise. I didn't expect it to work like that. Plus, I really need it because I got so much crap in my garage...

The PDC button is right below the driving mode button on the center console. Just push it to turn it on.
rmorin49 commented:
March 23, 2013, 1:42 pm

Interesting comment about the sport seats. As we age I think we like our clothing and our seats to be less form fitting. My wife, size 10, says the sport seats in my Audi are too firm and too tight. Funny she doesn't complain about the sport seats in my Z4 but then again we often don't drive very far in the roadster.

Hopefully over time you will adjust to them or they will adjust to you.
krash commented:
March 23, 2013, 1:44 pm

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Originally Posted by rmorin49 View Post
Interesting comment about the sport seats. As we age I think we like our clothing and our seats to be less form fitting. My wife, size 10, says the sport seats in my Audi are too firm and too tight. Funny she doesn't complain about the sport seats in my Z4 but then again we often don't drive very far in the roadster.

Hopefully over time you will adjust to them or they will adjust to you.
I'm thinking the age has a lot to do with it.
rmorin49 commented:
March 23, 2013, 1:48 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
I'm thinking the age has a lot to do with it.
OP: what color is the exterior of your car? Are you happy with the color?
Klamalama commented:
March 23, 2013, 1:51 pm

My wife loves the sport seats in our e90. She doesn't like the seats in our Lexus RX350. The extra support allows her to take comfortable naps, on long trips. By the way, we're not young, or tiny.
krash commented:
March 23, 2013, 2:24 pm

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Originally Posted by rmorin49 View Post
OP: what color is the exterior of your car? Are you happy with the color?
I got the exact color combinations you see in my signature. I like it.

The other day I was thinking to myself that I should have gotten Melbourne Red. Since I got a real sporty 335, I was thinking the red might would have looked real hot. Not sure why I was thinking that, but I'm happy.

In terms of the interior. Absolutely love it. When I got my E90, I wanted aluminum trim, but my wife talked me out of it. This time, I definitely wanted aluminum, and I got what I wanted.
HokieXDriver commented:
March 23, 2013, 3:18 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
The other day I was thinking to myself that I should have gotten Melbourne Red. Since I got a real sporty 335, I was thinking the red might would have looked real hot.
Is it true that red cars have higher insurance premiums? That they get ticketed more often? Or are those urban legends? I've never owned a red car.
krash commented:
March 23, 2013, 3:29 pm

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
Thanks, great write-up.

Could you elaborate on your statement about the PDC, that it kicks in automatically when you pull into the garage and you don't have to be in reverse? Does it come on automatically when it senses something close to the front bumper?

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
Yes, that's exactly what happens. As long as I have PDC activated, it automatically kicks in when I pull into the garage. That was a very pleasant surprise. I didn't expect it to work like that. Plus, I really need it because I got so much crap in my garage...

The PDC button is right below the driving mode button on the center console. Just push it to turn it on.
Actually, I just went out for a quick drive, and this isn't what really happens.

My garage is at a very bad angle when entering from my driveway. We can't pull in the garage without putting it in reverse first. It's impossible. So maybe it doesn't work like I said. But after putting it drive, it's still on. That's totally different than how my wife's SUV works. For her, the camera only stays on in reverse.
The Nerd commented:
March 23, 2013, 3:52 pm

Great review....but not fair....you just made the wait for my 335i (on order) even more difficult! Are you considering any performance mods soon or down the road? Dinan Stage 2? BMW performance exhaust?
boltjaM3s commented:
March 23, 2013, 4:20 pm

So if I'm reading your review right, it's F30 by a landslide.


BMW F30




BMW E90

BJ
SD330i commented:
March 23, 2013, 4:22 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
I got the exact color combinations you see in my signature. I like it.

The other day I was thinking to myself that I should have gotten Melbourne Red. Since I got a real sporty 335, I was thinking the red might would have looked real hot. Not sure why I was thinking that, but I'm happy.

In terms of the interior. Absolutely love it. When I got my E90, I wanted aluminum trim, but my wife talked me out of it. This time, I definitely wanted aluminum, and I got what I wanted.
Congrats from one 335i owner to another. You could write for Motor Trend or Road & Track . We love our Melbourne Red . No , the premiums are not higher because of the Red exterior . Urban Legend. If you get more tickets, that's your fault, not the Melbourne Red. Be judicious, pick your spots. You will love the DHP ! Wait till you take your first long weekend trip, you are in for a treat . You won't want to stop driving. We did the PCD to San Diego , my wife & I thought we would switch off each day. I ended up driving the whole 3200 miles, even the over 11 hours from Norman, Oklahoma to Santa Fe , New Mexico was a blast across interstate 40 . Have 1,000's of safe & fun miles on your beautiful new Bimmer
kpgray commented:
March 23, 2013, 4:24 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
....Overall, after 5 days, no regrets at all. I'm loving it.
Great write-up! I still feel great about my F30 also after 4 months.
boltjaM3s commented:
March 23, 2013, 4:25 pm

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
Thanks, great write-up.

Could you elaborate on your statement about the PDC, that it kicks in automatically when you pull into the garage and you don't have to be in reverse? Does it come on automatically when it senses something close to the front bumper?


Yes, and if you have the rear camera, you get not only the view of what's behind you (camera, left side of screen) but also the silhouette of the car with sonar graphics in the front/rear (right side of screen) and these 'boxes' that show your distance (see the green box in the photo, turns read if you're too close).

It's an amazing execution. Quadruple redundancy:

1. Audio alert.
2. Sonar view.
3. Boxes view.
4. Your own eyes.

Related to this are the lines you see on the camera view. The red lines show you the target path, the green lines show you your current path. So when backing into a parking spot, you align the red line to where you want to go and then turn the wheel and back in making sure the green lines are overlapping the red lines. Once you get the hang of it, parking and reversing are a breeze.

BJ
Supermax commented:
March 23, 2013, 7:28 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
In terms of the interior. Absolutely love it. When I got my E90, I wanted aluminum trim, but my wife talked me out of it. This time, I definitely wanted aluminum, and I got what I wanted.
I ordered the same interior as you but haven't gotten the car yet. The red stripe was the only thing I wasn't 100% sure about. I never saw that interior on any lots, so all I had to go off were pictures. I was worried that maybe it would stand out too much and not fit in visually with everything else. In the end I did go with the red stripe. What are your thoughts on it?
kobechrome commented:
March 23, 2013, 7:44 pm

Can someone explain the steps for sending an address from google to the car? Haven't been able to figure out how to do this.
pony_trekker commented:
March 23, 2013, 8:37 pm

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Originally Posted by kobechrome View Post
Can someone explain the steps for sending an address from google to the car? Haven't been able to figure out how to do this.
Gotta have a BMW assist account.


1. Search for the address in google.

2. Click on the map.

3. Click on the pink A that is your address on the google map

4. Click on the hyperlink that says more

5. Click send

6. Click car

7. Select BMW from the dropdown that says make

8. Type in the email address used for your BMW assist account IN ALL CAPS

9. Click send
kpgray commented:
March 23, 2013, 8:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Supermax View Post
I ordered the same interior as you but haven't gotten the car yet. The red stripe was the only thing I wasn't 100% sure about. I never saw that interior on any lots, so all I had to go off were pictures. I was worried that maybe it would stand out too much and not fit in visually with everything else. In the end I did go with the red stripe. What are your thoughts on it?
I ordered my car with the Red Highlights. My Wife was very leery on the idea of a long red stripe across the dash. Now when she gets in the car she always puts her fingers on the red stripe and strokes it! You will love it, it is very tastefully done and with the red lights on the dash and the red threading on the steering wheel!
egon0119 commented:
March 23, 2013, 9:49 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
Sport Seats: Jury still out. I obviously still need to fool around with the settings some more. One thing is for sure, I can see how a much bigger person would absolutely hate these things. Iím about 5í10Ē 175 lbs, and I feel like I am having a hard time squeezing into these. I am beginning to think that these sport seats might turn out to be the one thing I donít like about this car.
I was thinking the same thing when I first sat in a sports line car at a dealer. Then I found the bolster adjustment and then all was well.
Bimmermeupscoty commented:
March 23, 2013, 9:51 pm

As for the sports seats being too tight, make sure you adjust the top and bottom bolsters. They can move in and out.
Supermax commented:
March 23, 2013, 10:20 pm

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Originally Posted by kpgray View Post
she always puts her fingers on the red stripe and strokes it!
Good for you!

But seriously, that's great to hear.
SilverX3 commented:
March 23, 2013, 10:25 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
I'm thinking the age has a lot to do with it.
Must be 88 yo and very symmetrical

Great review Thanks
dzaborn commented:
March 23, 2013, 11:02 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post


Yes, and if you have the rear camera, you get not only the view of what's behind you (camera, left side of screen) but also the silhouette of the car with sonar graphics in the front/rear (right side of screen) and these 'boxes' that show your distance (see the green box in the photo, turns read if you're too close).

It's an amazing execution. Quadruple redundancy:

1. Audio alert.
2. Sonar view.
3. Boxes view.
4. Your own eyes.

Related to this are the lines you see on the camera view. The red lines show you the target path, the green lines show you your current path. So when backing into a parking spot, you align the red line to where you want to go and then turn the wheel and back in making sure the green lines are overlapping the red lines. Once you get the hang of it, parking and reversing are a breeze.

BJ
BJ, can you explain this a little further. I understand the green lines are the path the car is moving at the current steering angle... I am confused about the red lines. Is there a way to set the red line to your target path? How do you align the red line?
BmwFlooner commented:
March 23, 2013, 11:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Supermax View Post
I ordered the same interior as you but haven't gotten the car yet. The red stripe was the only thing I wasn't 100% sure about. I never saw that interior on any lots, so all I had to go off were pictures. I was worried that maybe it would stand out too much and not fit in visually with everything else. In the end I did go with the red stripe. What are your thoughts on it?
The pictures on the BMW website don't accurately represent any of the actual colors - interior or exterior. The red highlight is darker and more muted than it appears in the promo pictures.

I got the mineral grey because it immediately stood out to me when I saw it on the lot, but my wife thought I had ordered a blue-ish car when I showed her the build off the website.
boltjaM3s commented:
March 23, 2013, 11:49 pm

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Originally Posted by dzaborn View Post
BJ, can you explain this a little further. I understand the green lines are the path the car is moving at the current steering angle... I am confused about the red lines. Is there a way to set the red line to your target path? How do you align the red line?


Page 124:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=593889

In simplest terms, the red line shows you the path to which the car can head if you turn the wheel to match it. Think of it as an arrow guiding your way. As you back in, the red line will get more precise and so the more precisely you overlay the green lines (where you are) atop the red lines (the path) the more precisely you will enter the spot properly.

So in parallel parking, you pull up aside the front car as you were taught (adjacent to side view mirror). You then turn the wheel and watch the red line on the display. Wait for it to be pointing to the precise spot where you envision the right rear wheel to wind up and start to slowly back up. Now as you turn the wheel to the right, glance at the LCD and converge the lines. Bingo, you parked perfectly. In the image above, you can see the red lines pointing the way (sloping left and right) and where you are (the green grid). Bad example because if you turned the wheel right and overlaid the green grid on one of the red lines you'd smack into the car that's behind you (not recommended) but you get the idea. The green grid moves with the steering wheel, the red line is the computer saying that the current geometry of the car will put you at X location.

And even if you don't figure out the criss-cross lines, the grid shows you how close you are to the curb, very useful too. It's a powerful tool once you get the hang of it.

BJ
dzaborn commented:
March 24, 2013, 1:47 am

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post


Page 124:

http://www.f30post.com/goodiesforyou...al_F30POST.pdf

In simplest terms, the red line shows you the path to which the car can head if you turn the wheel to match it. Think of it as an arrow guiding your way. As you back in, the red line will get more precise and so the more precisely you overlay the green lines (where you are) atop the red lines (the path) the more precisely you will enter the spot properly.

So in parallel parking, you pull up aside the front car as you were taught (adjacent to side view mirror). You then turn the wheel and watch the red line on the display. Wait for it to be pointing to the precise spot where you envision the right rear wheel to wind up and start to slowly back up. Now as you turn the wheel to the right, glance at the LCD and converge the lines. Bingo, you parked perfectly. In the image above, you can see the red lines pointing the way (sloping left and right) and where you are (the green grid). Bad example because if you turned the wheel right and overlaid the green grid on one of the red lines you'd smack into the car that's behind you (not recommended) but you get the idea. The green grid moves with the steering wheel, the red line is the computer saying that the current geometry of the car will put you at X location.

And even if you don't figure out the criss-cross lines, the grid shows you how close you are to the curb, very useful too. It's a powerful tool once you get the hang of it.

BJ
Thanks as always BJ!
krash commented:
March 24, 2013, 8:30 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermax View Post
I ordered the same interior as you but haven't gotten the car yet. The red stripe was the only thing I wasn't 100% sure about. I never saw that interior on any lots, so all I had to go off were pictures. I was worried that maybe it would stand out too much and not fit in visually with everything else. In the end I did go with the red stripe. What are your thoughts on it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by kpgray View Post
I ordered my car with the Red Highlights. My Wife was very leery on the idea of a long red stripe across the dash. Now when she gets in the car she always puts her fingers on the red stripe and strokes it! You will love it, it is very tastefully done and with the red lights on the dash and the red threading on the steering wheel!
Yes, I love it. Looks fantastic. Here is a picture. Fair warning: Not sure why but when viewed on my iPad, this picture is upside down. It's right side up on PCs though. Not sure what's going with Photobucket...

krash commented:
March 24, 2013, 8:33 am

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Originally Posted by egon0119 View Post
I was thinking the same thing when I first sat in a sports line car at a dealer. Then I found the bolster adjustment and then all was well.
Can you adjust the side bolsters on the seat itself for your legs???? I found the side bolster adjustment for my back.
HokieXDriver commented:
March 24, 2013, 10:21 am

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
In simplest terms
I'm still confused, but that's my fault, not yours. I think I will just have to wait for my car to be delivered and play with this before I "get" it. Thanks for the explanation.
boltjaM3s commented:
March 24, 2013, 11:33 am

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
I'm still confused, but that's my fault, not yours. I think I will just have to wait for my car to be delivered and play with this before I "get" it. Thanks for the explanation.
http://youtu.be/fVVYhTcqsB8

http://youtu.be/lBVWk7KK2RY

See if this helps.

BJ
neilsarkar commented:
March 24, 2013, 12:15 pm

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Originally Posted by kobechrome View Post
Can someone explain the steps for sending an address from google to the car? Haven't been able to figure out how to do this.
If you have an iPhone, you can also use the BMW remote app to send address to your vehicle.
egon0119 commented:
March 24, 2013, 12:32 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
Can you adjust the side bolsters on the seat itself for your legs???? I found the side bolster adjustment for my back.
I don't believe there's an adjustment for the seat bottom width. However as a, um, rotund fellow I've only needed to adjust the side bolsters to fit comfortably in the sport seats.
krash commented:
March 24, 2013, 12:51 pm

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Originally Posted by egon0119 View Post
I don't believe there's an adjustment for the seat bottom width. However as a, um, rotund fellow I've only needed to adjust the side bolsters to fit comfortably in the sport seats.
I think I got these seats as good as they're going to get. I just don't like the way the side bolsters are digging into my left leg. I am not sure what it is with me. Right leg is fine. Everything is else fine.
HokieXDriver commented:
March 24, 2013, 1:21 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
See if this helps.
BJ
It does, thanks. I think what I was missing is that the red lines show the minimum turning circle in both directions. I was wondering why they went off in two different directions like that.

I still think I need to practice, though.
brkf commented:
March 24, 2013, 7:00 pm

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
Is it true that red cars have higher insurance premiums? That they get ticketed more often? Or are those urban legends? I've never owned a red car.
Urban legend.
That70sGAdawg commented:
March 25, 2013, 12:53 am

OP, You lost me at "ASS is not that bad"...
ONLY in heavy traffic to save a buck, would I ever use the Auto Stop Start.
No, not even then!
krash commented:
March 25, 2013, 7:34 am

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Originally Posted by That70sGAdawg View Post
OP, You lost me at "ASS is not that bad"...
ONLY in heavy traffic to save a buck, would I ever use the Auto Stop Start.
No, not even then!
It's interesting how people like or dislike certain features. I don't have an issue with ASS. So far, the sport seats are the only thing I haven't warmed up to yet.
kpgray commented:
March 25, 2013, 10:12 am

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Originally Posted by That70sGAdawg View Post
OP, You lost me at "ASS is not that bad"...
ONLY in heavy traffic to save a buck, would I ever use the Auto Stop Start.
No, not even then!
Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
It's interesting how people like or dislike certain features. I don't have an issue with ASS. So far, the sport seats are the only thing I haven't warmed up to yet.
Interestingly, I have become so acustomed to the "On/Off" engine feature that when it does not work I look down to the dash to see why the engine is still running or when I drive my Wife's car it just seems odd when it continues to run!?
krash commented:
March 25, 2013, 10:27 am

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Originally Posted by kpgray View Post
Interestingly, I have become so acustomed to the "On/Off" engine feature that when it does not work I look down to the dash to see why the engine is still running or when I drive my Wife's car it just seems odd when it continues to run!?
Yes, I don't see the big deal. The engine shuts off at a red light and turns back on when you're ready. What's the big deal?

Plus, you might as well get used to it, because this is going to be standard in every car pretty soon.

In fact, all the cars I considered have this - so I would have ended up with this anyway in some form or another...
DDGator commented:
March 25, 2013, 11:14 am

I haven't lived with the ASS, so I may not be the best to comment. However, I drove a 2013 for over 500 miles so I did get to try it.

I am sure I will get used to it, but my complaint is that it is not very smooth or "BMW-like." Sometimes the car gives a odd shutter when it shuts down, and more often when it starts up. It's like starting a car that is in gear (back when you could do that) and it lurches a bit before taking off smoothly. I think it probably works better with a 6MT because the engine re-starts when you push in the clutch (and it's not in gear yet) rather than with an auto when you actually feel it lurch a bit.
ggalanis commented:
March 25, 2013, 11:20 am

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
Yes, I don't see the big deal. The engine shuts off at a red light and turns back on when you're ready. What's the big deal?
From what I gather, there are 2 issues people complain about mostly,
1) Apparently the restarts are not smooth enough (which might get better after the break in period)

well there is nothing you can really do about it, it is either going to be smooth or rough. You either accept how it is or turn it off. How do you find yours (with the n55), smooth or rough?

2)some say it might stall unexpectedly.

i'd suggest you take an evening to play around with it and try to get it to stall on you.
As it decides to turn the engine off, do something that would turn it back on and see if you can get it to stall. If you can get it to stall, by say trying to drive as the car decided to turn the engine off, this can happen when you dont expect it and may get you stuck at an intersection one day. You'd have to be more carefull and cautious if it is on or assume the little bit of risk that it will stall on you at some point and the benefit of barely saving any fuel seems not worth it to most. Having a manual car may make this less of a problem because in a real world situation, if you come to a red light that you know will turn green soon, you can stay in 1st gear with the clutch depressed which will prevent A.S.S. from kicking in.... so any stalling is your own fault.

I will get mine recoded to remember last setting, then keep it off, until i actually want to use it... like now, when i am manually turning my engine on and off as i wait for the wife to pop into a couple of stores in the same outlet mall and when i sometimes go to a long car wash line or drive through... I don't drive in heavy traffic so i can't say i would turn it on in that situation

GG
boltjaM3s commented:
March 25, 2013, 11:26 am

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Yes, I don't see the big deal. The engine shuts off at a red light and turns back on when you're ready. What's the big deal?

Plus, you might as well get used to it, because this is going to be standard in every car pretty soon.

In fact, all the cars I considered have this - so I would have ended up with this anyway in some form or another...
I don't want to re-open the ASS debate (plenty of threads on the topic out there already) but my answer to your question is this:

1. If you live in/near a big city and find yourself in situations where a 'close call' maneuver is unavoidable, that split-second delay and lack of confidence that it brings is just an unacceptable risk against a pithy financial reward.

2. If you have a wife that drives your car only 6 times a year, ASS confuses her into thinking the car has stalled when it hasn't, then presents her with on-screen warnings about putting the car in P before turning off the engine, then realizing that it's the iDrive knob that gets rid of the warning, then noticing the car is now in P, then noticing that the engine is running and doesn't need a restart at all, all while at a left turn where she needs to cut across 4 lanes of 65 MPH traffic with 5 PM sun glare in her eyes and honking panel trucks up her ass.

It just isn't worth the $0.39 cents a week.

BJ
krash commented:
March 25, 2013, 11:42 am

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Originally Posted by ggalanis View Post
From what I gather, there are 2 issues people complain about mostly,
1) Apparently the restarts are not smooth enough (which might get better after the break in period)


GG
There is a little buck to it. But again, I think that my expectations were so low after reading about it on the 'fest, that when I actually experienced it, I just don't think it lived up to it's bad billing.

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
I don't want to re-open the ASS debate (plenty of threads on the topic out there already) but my answer to your question is this:

1. If you live in/near a big city and find yourself in situations where a 'close call' maneuver is unavoidable, that split-second delay and lack of confidence that it beings is just an unacceptable risk against a pithy financial reward.

2. If you have a wife that drives your car only 6 times a year, ASS confuses her into thinking the car has stalled when it hasn't, then presents her with on-screen warnings about putting the car in P before turning off the engine, then realizing that it's the iDrive knob that gets rid of the warning, then noticing the car is now in P, then noticing that the engine is running and doesn't need a restart at all, all while at a left turn where she needs to cut across 4 lanes of 65 MPH traffic with 5 PM sun glare in her eyes and honking panel trucks up her ass.

It just isn't worth the $0.39 cents a week.

BJ
Yes, I am sure that where you drive, and the roads you drive on could have a big influence on whether or not you like this. So far, so good for me...

I was also thinking that if I ever loan this car to someone (not sure why I would though), that this could be a big issue. I already acclimated my wife to it, so she's onboard (at least I think so anyway...) But I can definitely see how someone might think it stalled.
boltjaM3s commented:
March 25, 2013, 11:54 am

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Originally Posted by krash View Post

I was also thinking that if I ever loan this car to someone (not sure why I would though), that this could be a big issue. I already acclimated my wife to it, so she's onboard (at least I think so anyway...) But I can definitely see how someone might think it stalled.
Yeah, and that's the point that so many don't realize:

That ASS is at its worst when it's performing perfectly.

Some ASS newb is going to get seriously injured due to BMW's implementation and their lack of awareness. Not going to be me or my family.

BJ
HokieXDriver commented:
March 25, 2013, 12:14 pm

Whether or not ASS is a good thing, I'm pretty sure we all agree that not remembering your last choice is a bad thing. I could see using ASS in heavy stop and go traffic - why not? And yet for all the reasons given here, I can see why it isn't a good thing in a lot of circumstances. Why not just let us choose the default?

That's why I intend to re-program it so it remembers my last setting.
BmwFlooner commented:
March 25, 2013, 1:03 pm

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
Whether or not ASS is a good thing, I'm pretty sure we all agree that not remembering your last choice is a bad thing. I could see using ASS in heavy stop and go traffic - why not? And yet for all the reasons given here, I can see why it isn't a good thing in a lot of circumstances. Why not just let us choose the default?

That's why I intend to re-program it so it remembers my last setting.
Thought I read one of the conditions that disables ASS is heavy stop & go traffic?

Anyhoo, I agree that there should be a way to toggle 'remember last setting' for several features in system settings. I imagine they wanted to present as few customizations to the user as possible to reduce customer confusion & technical support requests.
The Nerd commented:
March 30, 2013, 7:42 pm

Krash, how have your tires responded to the power? Do you have the all-season or the summer performance in your car? I ordered a very similar vehicle (sitting at the port waiting to be shipped), and I'm nervous that my 225 width all-seasonals aren't going to be up to the task. I know Sport+ will disable a good amount of traction control....but if a Lexus IS 350 pulls up next to me at a light, are my tires going to handicap me?
krash commented:
March 30, 2013, 9:24 pm

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Krash, how have your tires responded to the power? Do you have the all-season or the summer performance in your car? I ordered a very similar vehicle (sitting at the port waiting to be shipped), and I'm nervous that my 225 width all-seasonals aren't going to be up to the task. I know Sport+ will disable a good amount of traction control....but if a Lexus IS 350 pulls up next to me at a light, are my tires going to handicap me?
I have Continental ContiSportContact 5 SSRs on my car, 18" Summer performance tires.

I wanted the all-seasons, believe it or not, but I never specified that. It just came with the summer performance tires. At first, I was little annoyed, but I didn't complain.

I always have the option of not driving my car in the snow. I can always take my wife's SUV to work. She's a stay-at-home mom, plus, I always have the option of working from home if snow is in the forecast anyway. So I have no plans to put snow tires on the car at all...

So far, so good. Performance is outstanding. When I'm in sport mode, and driving on a suitable road, it's just awesome. No complaints at all. At this point, I am really glad that I got these tires; especially with the nice weather on the way.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....tContact+5+SSR
The Nerd commented:
March 30, 2013, 9:40 pm

I originally ordered the all-seasons (I live in northern Ohio), but changed my mind two days after I placed the order due to realization of the high speed limiter and worries of inhibited traction from a stoplight with the all-seasons. Well, I guess they put it into production so quickly that there was no way to change the order. Oh well. My wife is a stay-at-home mom with an SUV (Acura MDX) as well, but she uses her car too much for me to rely on it lol!
krash commented:
March 30, 2013, 9:46 pm

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Originally Posted by The Nerd View Post
I originally ordered the all-seasons (I live in northern Ohio), but changed my mind two days after I placed the order due to realization of the high speed limiter and worries of inhibited traction from a stoplight with the all-seasons. Well, I guess they put it into production so quickly that there was no way to change the order. Oh well. My wife is a stay-at-home mom with an SUV (Acura MDX) as well, but she uses her car too much for me to rely on it lol!
I really don't know a lot about the different types of tires that these cars come with. I asked my CA if I have all-seasons or summer performance. He said summer performance.

I wasn't even sure I believed him until I did a google search when I got home, and sure enough, it says ContiSportContact 5 SSR(Max Performance Summer) on all the internet sites.
saluki commented:
April 4, 2013, 8:39 pm

I disagree with you comments about sport mode.

My 2013 335i replaces my beloved 2011 335 that met a tragic end. After two weeks with this car, I am honestly bored. It's like driving an E90 with a condom on. Yes, the gadgets are nicer, but the build feels cheaper, and the road feel is a big step down in my opinion.

As far as DHP is concerned, the car has to be in Sport to be tolerable, I can't imagine what I would use comfort or Eco for?
bmwocean commented:
April 5, 2013, 2:48 pm

Agree and I will echo you comments. I felt same after a 2 months in my 335xi
They say that Eco mode is good for highway but you are right it works well on slow bumper to bumber ride in traffic where you do not need that quick acceleration and saves gas. Also not to initiate far between 328 vs 335 but must say after driving both on same day 335 is much much fun in sports mode than 328. You have to drive 335 to understand what you are missing with 328 - although it is great car with turbo now but not as good as 335. People in 328 might disagree and you don't need that extra little torque but to have that BMW experince - ultimate driving machine you have try 335.
6 months now and loving it.
Brian@vossen commented:
April 5, 2013, 4:03 pm

Great car for sure. The new F30 is amazing.
krash commented:
April 5, 2013, 6:01 pm

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Originally Posted by saluki View Post
I disagree with you comments about sport mode.

My 2013 335i replaces my beloved 2011 335 that met a tragic end. After two weeks with this car, I am honestly bored. It's like driving an E90 with a condom on. Yes, the gadgets are nicer, but the build feels cheaper, and the road feel is a big step down in my opinion.

As far as DHP is concerned, the car has to be in Sport to be tolerable, I can't imagine what I would use comfort or Eco for?
Comfort mode is fine for driving around the neighborhood and in-and-around town. Just can't see driving around the cul-de-sac in sport mode....

ECO mode isn't really applicable for DHP.

Sport mode is great for letting it rip.

I had in E90 too. After several weeks with the F30 now, I do think I like the steering better in the E90. Overall, I like the F30 better, but I do sort of have a love / hate relationship with the new steering. Sometimes I really like it a lot, other times not so much. On straight-aways at high speed, I feel like it's a little vague. But other times, I think it's fantastic and spot on. I just think I need to spend more time with the car to get a better feeling of it.