What are people's reactions to you driving a BMW?

by Bimmerfest.com Member - rippx on April 13, 2013, 12:44 pm
reaction to you driving a BMW

So far from my experience, they have been neutral to negative (regarding random people on the street). Majority of the time I just see people staring. However, some times they are just rude.

For example, when driving, they will not let you into a lane, tailgate, beep their horns for the most random reason, etc. Park your car in a nearly empty parking lot away from everybody else...you come back, and somebody parks right next to you, making it difficult to open your door.

It might stem from jealousy or previous experiences with BMW owners. For example, some idiot kids that drive used bmws leaning back in their cars blasting music, showing off, thinking they've made it in life lol . I can see why it might rub people the wrong way.

For the most part I don't mention at all the car I drive and where I live but when some old(or new) friends want to meet up and they see me pulling up in the BMW, or even see my house for the first time, they normally ask all kinds of questions and are genuinely interested, and have no negative feelings. It seems to be a whole different story for strangers.

You guys?


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967 responses to What are people's reactions to you driving a BMW?

HokieXDriver commented:
April 13, 2013, 12:52 pm

In Northern Virginia, BMWs are as common as cockroaches. Nobody gives a crap. You have to be in a Ferrari before anyone even notices you are driving something different. The parking lot at my office has at least 8 BMWs that I know of, including an Alpina B7. On the lot on the other side is a red Ferrari - now that I notice. I have seen several Tesla S around.
Red Lined commented:
April 13, 2013, 12:53 pm

I'm 23 and drive a 528. For the most part I don't notice anything different than when I drove a CTS. I've never had any negative experiences driving thus far. I usually do park far, far, far away from everyone else, but that can be difficult on a college campus.

I can tell you firsthand, people are (generally) not impressed with BMWs anymore. They aren't special. My car has gotten me exactly 0 dates thus far. 0 girls have shown interest in my car. However, every now and then some dude with roll down his window and tell me nice car or give the thumbs up....could care less.

Disclaimer: I'm not an ugly dude either. Women seem to like Audi drivers I guess
dsackman commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:03 pm

Many years of BMW ownership arrogance and the image that it portrayed, and as HokieDriver stated, BMWs are dime a dozen here in southern California. Nothing special.

It does appear as if BMW had been overtaken by other marques such as Audi. They really make beautiful cars.


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Elk commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:04 pm

A BMW is just another car, no more or less.

Most people barely notice - and care less - what car anyone is driving.

Whether you, as an owner, pay attention to others reveals a great deal about you, but little about them.
HugH commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:12 pm

Yeah, same here. There appears to be more Bimmers on our roads than Ford Fiesta, Chevy anything, etc. In fact, after trucks and SUV, it seems that Bimmers are the most numerous cars. Volvo, Audi and MB have all been getting quite numerous lately, along with VW and Prius.
HokieXDriver commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:14 pm

Buy the car of your dreams. Not of someone else's. You'll be a lot happier.
IAS commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:16 pm

one have to drive a Ferrari or Maserati to get noticed, many BMW, Porches and MB here.
HugH commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:24 pm

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
Buy the car of your dreams. Not of someone else's. You'll be a lot happier.
I wish I could, I'd get a Tesla S...
jjcruiser commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:30 pm

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Originally Posted by rippx View Post
So far from my experience, they have been neutral to negative (regarding random people on the street). Majority of the time I just see people staring. However, some times they are just rude.

For example, when driving, they will not let you into a lane, tailgate, beep their horns for the most random reason, etc. Park your car in a nearly empty parking lot away from everybody else...you come back, and somebody parks right next to you, making it difficult to open your door.

It might stem from jealousy or previous experiences with BMW owners. For example, some idiot kids that drive used bmws leaning back in their cars blasting music, showing off, thinking they've made it in life lol . I can see why it might rub people the wrong way.

For the most part I don't mention at all the car I drive and where I live but when some old(or new) friends want to meet up and they see me pulling up in the BMW, or even see my house for the first time, they normally ask all kinds of questions and are genuinely interested, and have no negative feelings. It seems to be a whole different story for strangers.

You guys?
It's an interesting question.

One issue is how it's perceived just money-wise. I think that really depends on where you live and what your circles are. Some people might think you are driving a mass produced watered down cheap European auto. Others are going to see it as a ridiculously expensive flashy elitist car for arrogant Aryans. I have successful Jewish friends who won't touch a German car for that reason--they all drive Acuras and Lexus.

I also live in an area with very expensive cars being the norm (Santa Monica). So driving it to work or around town = not a big deal at all. However, if I still lived where I grew up back east in Massachusetts, it would have been seen as very gauche not to drive a beat up Saab or Suburu instead.

Another issue is that I think there's a perception that because a BMW is a "driver's car" that it means its drivers are aggressive and obnoxious. This actually was my wife's primary objection. Not sure where that reputation came from, however. I've seen nice polite BMW drivers and obnoxious a-holes in Ford Fiestas.

YMMV
HokieXDriver commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:33 pm

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Originally Posted by jjcruiser View Post
I've seen nice polite BMW drivers and obnoxious a-holes in Ford Fiestas.

YMMV
Honestly, the most aggressive drivers here in Northern Virginia drive minivans. Especially Toyota minivans - no idea what the model is. Are they just angry because they have to drive around in a mommy wagon? What's the deal there?
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:44 pm

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Originally Posted by dsackman View Post
Many years of BMW ownership arrogance and the image that it portrayed, and as HokieDriver stated, BMWs are dime a dozen here in southern California. Nothing special.

It does appear as if BMW had been overtaken by other marques such as Audi. They really make beautiful cars.
Yes, the 3 is the Civic of LA, although it is a little bigger now. And while people are generally not impressed by BMWs, they often suspect the drivers of BMWs seek hard to impress, especially if the ones who look like punks. So it is the worse of both worlds in that sense: they don't impress yet some people think you are trying to impress. Translation, they may assume you are a douche who is trying too hard.
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:46 pm

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
Honestly, the most aggressive drivers here in Northern Virginia drive minivans. Especially Toyota minivans - no idea what the model is. Are they just angry because they have to drive around in a mommy wagon? What's the deal there?
Those types of cars have both extremes: Crazy erratic driver or clueless left lane hogger. Same with Prius: weaving around traffic at 90mph or driving clueless at turtle speeds.
chris328 commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:47 pm

ive only had one uncalled for incident and that ws one time i was rolling up to a red light and some woman behind me was all angry and started flashing her beams and honking only to have to stop 15 yards later. then at the next light there was two lanes and the person in the left was turning, i was in the right and i just started going and took my time through the intersection, and since she had to wait to pass me she got super angry and flew around me and started going super slow in front of me to "get me back", so i had to go around her, but when i went to go around her, she tried to push me into oncoming traffic. so i just sped up enough to pass her anyway, and then she comes up again on my right hand side, i figured by this point she needed to be stopped, so right as she was near my rear right quarter i juiced it and turn-checked her and she shat herself and slammed on her brakes, she didnt pursue after that
Pappy Pipes commented:
April 13, 2013, 1:54 pm

People are floored by my distinguished look whether I'm in my BMW or not.
07 E63650i commented:
April 13, 2013, 2:01 pm

Personally, the character of the individual should define them, not the car.
Nick9597 commented:
April 13, 2013, 2:06 pm

I never got looks from the ladies with any previous car I have driven. Once I got a BMW, they look all the time....even comment.

I live in an area where $100K cars are the norm. My 328i blends in perfectly...stands out and is invisible at the appropriate times.
mynycbimmer commented:
April 13, 2013, 2:57 pm

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Originally Posted by rippx View Post
Majority of the time I just see people staring.
It's probably in your head. It's a BMW not a Ferrari, to most people it looks the same as countless other Japanese/US/Euro sedans.
brkf commented:
April 13, 2013, 3:04 pm

Around here, 95% of people don't care as the BMW 3 series is the Toyota Camry of Southern California. The few who make comments about it still live in the 1980s apparently.
Supermax commented:
April 13, 2013, 3:17 pm

I have to say that there's a bit of a difference depending on what area of town I'm in. Around where I live, there are barely any BMW's...or any other luxury car. But I work in a very popular business district, and there are like 10 BMW's just on our parking lot. In that area I constantly see Ferraris, Lambos, and even saw a Veyron once.

But yeah, San Diego has some very expensive areas, and some that are much cheaper, and they're within minutes of each other. A BMW means a lot more in the latter.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 13, 2013, 3:27 pm

I get a fair amount of attention here even though its a BMW saturated market.

It's rarely negative. I find some people ride my ass or pull up right to it for no reason, or wont let me in even though I signal.

The older one gets a lot more attention due to the sound it makes. I think the only reason the F30 gets so many looks is the color and wheels, if it was silver and had stock wheels, I think no one would give it a second glance.
rippx commented:
April 13, 2013, 3:45 pm

A lot of interesting opinions! I agree with almost all of you that said bmws are a dime a dozen now, especially where I live, yet you would think people wouldn't be so negative towards it, however it still seems to happen. Oh well, what are you going to do. Enjoy your car for yourself and forget what other people think.
pony_trekker commented:
April 13, 2013, 3:58 pm

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
Same with Prius: weaving around traffic at 90mph or driving clueless at turtle speeds.
Why does driving a Prius give one the right to do 50 in the left lane?
HugH commented:
April 13, 2013, 4:09 pm

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Originally Posted by pony_trekker View Post
Why does driving a Prius give one the right to do 50 in the left lane?
That's normal here. You get on I30 between Dallas and Ft Worth and you can see s long row of trucks, SUV and even Prius on the left lane. They usually set their cruise control at just a few miles under speed limit and they don't move for anything or anyone until they arrive at their exit. Then they cross two lanes at the most inappropriate time, making everyone brake for them
Bimmer dreamer commented:
April 13, 2013, 4:33 pm

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
In Northern Virginia, BMWs are as common as cockroaches. Nobody gives a crap. You have to be in a Ferrari before anyone even notices you are driving something different. The parking lot at my office has at least 8 BMWs that I know of, including an Alpina B7. On the lot on the other side is a red Ferrari - now that I notice. I have seen several Tesla S around.
You are so right! My Pontiac Solstice gets more attention here!
Swater96 commented:
April 13, 2013, 4:49 pm

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Originally Posted by HugH View Post
That's normal here. You get on I30 between Dallas and Ft Worth and you can see s long row of trucks, SUV and even Prius on the left lane. They usually set their cruise control at just a few miles under speed limit and they don't move for anything or anyone until they arrive at their exit. Then they cross two lanes at the most inappropriate time, making everyone brake for them
Lol! Just did that drive last night. Everyone loves to turn straight into the left lane no matter what speed they plan on going. I did the whole trip at 70 in the middle lane and soon left every car behind.

All I ask is that people do the speed limit and stay in the right...
beden1 commented:
April 13, 2013, 5:11 pm

On Thursday, my wife and I returned to the car after having lunch. I'm parallel parked on the street and I slowly start to move forward after checking that it was clear to proceed. I just happened to glance to my right and saw a 21 year old male (or thereabouts) on the sidewalk going full speed on his bike and heading right in front of my car. I stop and he crosses, and while doing so, he spits all over the front of my car. I couldn't believe my eyes. I then start to pull out fast to follow this turd of a human being and my wife yelled to stop. I look at the kid down the street just nodding with a proud look on his face. I was pissed to say the least. F'n animal!
hans007 commented:
April 13, 2013, 5:20 pm

I don't think normal people as in strangers care at all. Though I did have a random guy at the park ask how much I liked it since he was ordering one.

I'd say the one thing is amongst your own friends they do notice but its more in a trying to gauge you as a person and income wise sort of way. I'm 32 and a lot of my friends work in the tech field. Or fields that pay less than that given tech pays pretty well. Now I work my ass off and consider myself a smart guy and I'd say I probably make more than 95% of people in my groups of friends.. have had to jump jobs and get promoted and scrap for it. And I love cars and figure spend money on what you like.

Now at 32 most people are probably still paying college loans and buying "sensible" cars. I have had a few nicerish cars had an acura and an Audi which are not uncommon but nicer than say a Honda fit. Cars are pretty easy to see ... so your peers know either you are completely irresponsible money wise or somehow you've just made it a bit farther. I'm actually really good with money and I just plain make more.

You get the occasional damn new car again , baller... blah blah comment. I dunno what to say to it. But whatever I keep working to move up the ladder and some people don't. Most if my friends just stay in the same job not moving up or around forever. So I probably end up buying nicer stuff and saving more than most people I'd wager. And I'm always just like you need to just be aggressive with your career take a risk they pay off and you get more money. No one listens to me because I'm "crazy money wasting irresponsible" guy. But they notice the fruits of that or just assume you are an idiot with money because you aren't scraping every dollar you have up to say pay off debt or save to buy an overpriced house and be in even more debt. Seems to be the life game plan most people I know subscribe to.
DDGator commented:
April 13, 2013, 6:22 pm

Buying a "luxury" car does get a certain reaction from some people in your life.

It's funny how people can buy a $40k mini-van or SUV and its considered normal. But by a $45k BMW and all of a sudden people think you are rich, or living above your means or something.
hans007 commented:
April 13, 2013, 6:31 pm

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Originally Posted by DDGator View Post
Buying a "luxury" car does get a certain reaction from some people in your life.

It's funny how people can buy a $40k mini-van or SUV and its considered normal. But by a $45k BMW and all of a sudden people think you are rich, or living above your means or something.
i know people who buy things like say a brand new highlander or a sienna who make say less than half of what i do, but its totally acceptable since say they have a kid. on top of that i dont have a kid. 1 kid = 1 M3 in costs im sure every 4-5 years.

i once told a coworker, that the difference between my new bmw and his new mazdaspeed3 , was that he also owned a sportbike and a dog per month if you divide up how long you own those items for. but the perception of it being extravagant is still there.
HokieXDriver commented:
April 13, 2013, 7:26 pm

Don't let anyone tell you how to spend your own money. Don't buy to impress others; don't not buy to impress others.
furby076 commented:
April 13, 2013, 7:58 pm

Depending on where you live these cars are more or less common. They don't outnumber the other cars (e.g., ford) as another post said .You may think they do, but guess what - it doesn't. There are a number of factors why someone thinks the BMW is more common then other cars: 1) We tend to lump all the models of one series together (e.g., 325, 328, 330, 335 and m3) - These are similar cars, but different in many ways, including price. 2) Depending where you live there may be more or less of BMWs. This will skew your perception. 3) Because we own BMWs we tend to notice them more. When I see a 3 series going down the street I check it out. When I see an Audi I don't give it a second glance.

BMWs have a perception of being a rich mans car, and because of that there is a transfer of status (positive and negative). These cars (even just 3 series) has a very WIDE price range, going from low 30's to 70's. These are not insignificant prices, but not a rich mans car. Everyone here should get over it and themselves.

Buy what you want for whatever reason you want and stand by your decision. The moment you start second guessing yourself on something as mundane as "what do people think of me" then you have just reduced yourself to the level of a 6 year old trying to fit in school at the lunchroom.
CE750Jockey commented:
April 13, 2013, 8:12 pm

BMWs common as Hondas where I live. No biggie. But damn, if I'd only ordered the Police Ramming Bumpers option I could get those damn Obama-loving, Global warming-believing, Prius-owning goobersmoochers out of my way. The left lane is for passing, ahole. GTF out of the way. I'll say this though, the Xenon Angel Eyes get most of the people to move over. BTW, Audi's eyebrow lights are gay. There. I think I've offended everybody.
Chris90 commented:
April 13, 2013, 8:12 pm

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Originally Posted by jjcruiser View Post
However, if I still lived where I grew up back east in Massachusetts, it would have been seen as very gauche not to drive a beat up Saab or Suburu instead.
I can vouch for this. Even my 9 year old 3 series gets comments at work, to the tune of "our process engineers must make a lot of money" and stuff like that. The nicest car in our company lot is the CEO's, who drives a 335d. My wife's company is the same, although more nice cars there, but it's a bigger company, 200 people or so. But she gets comments about marrying a guy who drives a BMW.

Boston is different, BMWs everywhere, driven by bankers and rich Boston Univ. kids.
captainaudio commented:
April 13, 2013, 8:13 pm

I find that people are totally indifferent to me when I am driving a BMW.
Just like when I am not driving a BMW.

CA
Teemo Panda commented:
April 13, 2013, 8:56 pm

I really hate h8ters =.=

I am a silent guy in the road, that i always hang out in the middle lane, Cruz Crtl On to the speed limit posted, best of all watching my music videos Hot Chicks dancing in my Nav Screen.
If a person is being a douche bag to me, i would just turn on sport mode, get behind him and pace him to get caught speeding by the police :P
So far, 2 people fell victim :3
kpgray commented:
April 13, 2013, 9:12 pm

I live in the Motor City and every other vehicle has a Buy American - Save A Job or I work for Ford and Drive a Ford bumper stickers. I think most just ignore my BMW. Most of my neighbors work for one of the auto companies and the only comment about my car in the neighborhood is from one who drives a VW TDI Stick. At work I get a couple of guys who say you must make too much. Funny thing though, they drive their fully loaded full sized Ford F150 AWD's that MSRP around $50K. Why do I drive an import in a union town? That story is for another day...
Elk commented:
April 13, 2013, 10:01 pm

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Originally Posted by captainaudio View Post
I find that people are totally indifferent to me when I am driving a BMW.
Just like when I am not driving a BMW.
This nicely covers it.
krash commented:
April 13, 2013, 11:03 pm

I get a lot of positive reactions.

However, in some of the rural areas in PA, people are sort of rude on the road to people with brand new shiny BMWs. There is no doubt. For example, if you're in the left lane, and are trying to get in the right lane, they won't let you. However, if you pull in to a restaurant or business, there are a lot of gawkers.

In the area I live, it's much better. Lots of folks have BMWs and Mercedes. I notice that a lot of people with older BMWs really take note and check out the car.

Today, I parked next to a guy with an old E46 325. It was really nice. In great condition. You could tell he really takes care of it. He was looking at my car, and had a lot of positive things to say about it. He really liked it a lot. It was really cool seeing the 2 cars next to each other.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 13, 2013, 11:14 pm

I get lots of negative reaction in my BMW, just as intended.

My beach house makes people hate me at dinner parties. My Rolex makes people hate me on the train. My title makes people hate me in the boardroom. My wife makes people hate me at the country club. My BMW makes people hate me on the roadways.

Don't fight it. It's too much work. Embrace the stereotype.

BJ
krash commented:
April 13, 2013, 11:26 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
On Thursday, my wife and I returned to the car after having lunch. I'm parallel parked on the street and I slowly start to move forward after checking that it was clear to proceed. I just happened to glance to my right and saw a 21 year old male (or thereabouts) on the sidewalk going full speed on his bike and heading right in front of my car. I stop and he crosses, and while doing so, he spits all over the front of my car. I couldn't believe my eyes. I then start to pull out fast to follow this turd of a human being and my wife yelled to stop. I look at the kid down the street just nodding with a proud look on his face. I was pissed to say the least. F'n animal!
Probably an OWS protestor, no doubt.

A guy I work with has a Porsche Caymen. It's not even that expensive. He has the base model, not the S. it's still really nice. It's black and looks really hot.

Anyway, he took it to one of the local malls and parked way out by himself. Someone keyed him, and left a note on his car that said, "why don't you park with the rest if us".

Pathetic!
av98 commented:
April 13, 2013, 11:35 pm

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Originally Posted by rippx View Post
A lot of interesting opinions! I agree with almost all of you that said bmws are a dime a dozen now, especially where I live, yet you would think people wouldn't be so negative towards it, however it still seems to happen. Oh well, what are you going to do. Enjoy your car for yourself and forget what other people think.
+1, the only people that appreciate our cars are other BMW enthusiasts who actually know the chassis code. Most people that drive the dime a dozen, don't even know what an F30 or E90 stands for. When I asked a co-worker he thought it was motor oil...sigh

Funny the main reason I got my E46 ZHP in SGM was to blend in with so many of the other BMWs on the road with the same color; specifically not to stand out. Hopefully to keep the cops from profiling your car.
mr29 commented:
April 13, 2013, 11:36 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
Probably an OWS protestor, no doubt.

A guy I work with has a Porsche Caymen. It's not even that expensive. He has the base model, not the S. it's still really nice. It's black and looks really hot.

Anyway, he took it to one of the local malls and parked way out by himself. Someone keyed him, and left a note on his car that said, "why don't you park with the rest if us".

Pathetic!
wow thats awful.
captainaudio commented:
April 13, 2013, 11:45 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
I get lots of negative reaction in my BMW, just as intended.

My beach house makes people hate me at dinner parties. My Rolex makes people hate me on the train. My title makes people hate me in the boardroom. My wife makes people hate me at the country club. My BMW makes people hate me on the roadways.

Don't fight it. It's too much work. Embrace the stereotype.

BJ
So that partially explains it.

Why does everyone else hate you?

Do you feel this way often?

OMG

I'm starting to sound like BJ's psychiatrist.



CA
av98 commented:
April 13, 2013, 11:47 pm

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Originally Posted by captainaudio View Post
So that partially explains it.

Why does everyone else hate you?

Do you feel this way often?

OMG

I'm starting to sound like BJ's psychiatrist.



CA
Lol, and he's miserable as hell for being annoying. So deserved
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 13, 2013, 11:54 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
On Thursday, my wife and I returned to the car after having lunch. I'm parallel parked on the street and I slowly start to move forward after checking that it was clear to proceed. I just happened to glance to my right and saw a 21 year old male (or thereabouts) on the sidewalk going full speed on his bike and heading right in front of my car. I stop and he crosses, and while doing so, he spits all over the front of my car. I couldn't believe my eyes. I then start to pull out fast to follow this turd of a human being and my wife yelled to stop. I look at the kid down the street just nodding with a proud look on his face. I was pissed to say the least. F'n animal!
Chances are this vile animals will slam himself against a fast moving car, or will get run over to have his guts explode and splatter all over the road.
gofaassttt commented:
April 13, 2013, 11:58 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
I get a lot of positive reactions.

However, in some of the rural areas in PA, people are sort of rude on the road to people with brand new shiny BMWs. There is no doubt. For example, if you're in the left lane, and are trying to get in the right lane, they won't let you. However, if you pull in to a restaurant or business, there are a lot of gawkers.
I agree as I grew up in rural PA. Remember most folks there cannot spell BMW.
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:02 am

[QUOTE=hans007;7516194]i know people who buy things like say a brand new highlander or a sienna who make say less than half of what i do, but its totally acceptable since say they have a kid.[/quote[
And once you factor in gas mileage, the Highlander will be more expensive in the long run.

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on top of that i dont have a kid. 1 kid = 1 M3 in costs im sure every 4-5 years.
Well, my kids each cost me a lot more than that. Private school (clearly not for everyone), music school, other extracurriculars, day camp/school for the summer, food, cloths, the necessity of owning a bigger house, Christmas, birthdays (theirs and their friends), vacations for four instead of just two, probably a whole bunch of other stuff I can't remember, etc. Oh yeah, saving for college!!!!! Kids are wonderful, but there are no free lunches in this world
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:05 am

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Originally Posted by CE750Jockey View Post
BMWs common as Hondas where I live. No biggie. But damn, if I'd only ordered the Police Ramming Bumpers option I could get those damn Obama-loving, Global warming-believing, Prius-owning goobersmoochers out of my way. The left lane is for passing, ahole. GTF out of the way. I'll say this though, the Xenon Angel Eyes get most of the people to move over. BTW, Audi's eyebrow lights are gay. There. I think I've offended everybody.
As much as I would like to stereotype left lane hoggers, I encounter my share of turds driving BMWs and Porsches tooling around at 10 below the speed limit
beden1 commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:08 am

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
Chances are this vile animals will slam himself against a fast moving car, or will get run over to have his guts explode and splatter all over the road.
The thing was...if I hadn't seen him by chance out of the corner of my eye and stopped going forward, he would have hit my car and been thrown forward off of his bike. That's the thanks I got.
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:15 am

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Originally Posted by kpgray View Post
I live in the Motor City and every other vehicle has a Buy American - Save A Job...
Half of those "American carts" are probably made in Canada or Mexico

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Funny thing though, they drive their fully loaded full sized Ford F150 AWD's that MSRP around $50K. .
I just priced one, the second highest trim, to which I merely added the bigger engine and AWD, and I skipped a gazillion accessories. The price came out to $55K. The gas mileage is 13 city/18 hwy!
FreddyG commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:28 am

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
I get lots of negative reaction in my BMW, just as intended.

My beach house makes people hate me at dinner parties. My Rolex makes people hate me on the train. My title makes people hate me in the boardroom. My wife makes people hate me at the country club. My BMW makes people hate me on the roadways.

Don't fight it. It's too much work. Embrace the stereotype.

BJ
Maybe it's not the beach house, watch, title, your wife or the car that people get the negative reaction to, maybe it's your Braggart attitude....You come across as a condescending person on the internet. I can only imagine you in person. Just food for thought and also my observation.

Back on topic.......Personally, I don't care what people think about us having a BMW (or anything else for that matter). We've had nicer cars than this one, but my wife likes it, and a Happy Wife is a Happy Life!

We also didn't buy it to impress anyone (and if we did, it wouldn't have been a 3 Series, it'd have been a 6 Series or an Audi S7 or S8).

Bottom line to me is that I consider myself Blessed in that we can get what makes us Happy and not worry about anyone else.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:31 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
Maybe it's not the beach house, watch, title, your wife or the car that people get the negative reaction to, maybe it's your Braggart attitude....You come across as a condescending person on the internet. I can only imagine you in person. Just food for thought and also my observation.
...and this lecture doesn't make you sound condescending?

You're missing the point which is: We drive certain cars, we wear certain accessories, we own certain real estate and other people will judge us based on that. How we behave has nothing to do with it. Those who deliberately choose to drive status symbols get a reaction. It comes with the territory. We aren't naive.

BJ
FreddyG commented:
April 14, 2013, 1:10 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
...and this lecture doesn't make you sound condescending?

You're missing the point which is: We drive certain cars, we wear certain accessories, we own certain real estate and other people will judge us based on that. How we behave has nothing to do with it. Those who deliberately choose to drive status symbols get a reaction. It comes with the territory. We aren't naive.

BJ
I'm not being condescending at all, just stating my opinion, on a public forum. Am I being judgemental, possibly...Condescending....not a bit!

Also, I don't consider a BMW 3 Series a status symbol. It's a Nice car, but in my opinion, not a status symbol, but our opinions might differ and we can agree to disagree.

I do agree that people will judge you according to things, but you miss my point.

How you behave has ALOT to do with it if you're bragging about it. That is the behavior that I'm speaking about. People might not be judging you on what you have, but how you present it to them. That is how behavior has ALOT to do with how people perceive/judge you.

People might not judge you because of your things, they just might not like your attitude (once again, it's hard to tell over the internet, but you come across as a condescending braggart from here. Maybe it's not true in real, but all I can do is form my opinion off of the words that you typed on the page).

I guess that we see things differntly and I'm alright with that.

Best of Luck and Have a Great night!
First_745Li commented:
April 14, 2013, 1:21 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
I get lots of negative reaction in my BMW, just as intended.

My beach house makes people hate me at dinner parties. My Rolex makes people hate me on the train. My title makes people hate me in the boardroom. My wife makes people hate me at the country club. My BMW makes people hate me on the roadways.

Don't fight it. It's too much work. Embrace the stereotype.

BJ
Lol awesome.
07 E63650i commented:
April 14, 2013, 1:37 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddyg View Post
i'm not being condescending at all, just stating my opinion, on a public forum. Am i being judgemental, possibly...condescending....not a bit!

Also, i don't consider a bmw 3 series a status symbol. It's a nice car, but in my opinion, not a status symbol, but our opinions might differ and we can agree to disagree.

I do agree that people will judge you according to things, but you miss my point.

How you behave has alot to do with it if you're bragging about it. That is the behavior that i'm speaking about. People might not be judging you on what you have, but how you present it to them. That is how behavior has alot to do with how people perceive/judge you.

People might not judge you because of your things, they just might not like your attitude (once again, it's hard to tell over the internet, but you come across as a condescending braggart from here. Maybe it's not true in real, but all i can do is form my opinion off of the words that you typed on the page).

I guess that we see things differntly and i'm alright with that.

Best of luck and have a great night!
+1000
bmwtogo commented:
April 14, 2013, 2:06 am

I have never had negative attention with my car. People get out of my way when they see me coming. There are some fools who think I have money, but I tell them to step out of the 80's and get a clue lol. Most people tell me I have a nice car and then we move on to other subjects.

There might be some people who think those driving a BMW are pretending to be rich, but I think that's dumb. I like my car because it's a sweet ride and it looks great too. Don't let others get you down.
scarboy6693 commented:
April 14, 2013, 3:15 am

I'll come clean out on this one.. Before my 328i, I had a Kia Forte SX (Yes, I know nothing great, but it got the job done)... Long story short was involved with a couple local clubs, and When I traded in for the BMW (Huge upgrade BTW), Suddenly I've been faced with hatred. Its honestly pretty stupid, but in the month I've had this car, I've been called Retarded, Gay, Kool-Aid Drinker, Dumbass, and Sheep by those people in the club who called themselves my "Friends" right before I traded in. Frankly it pissed me at first, but I learned not to care anymore. At the end of the day, Its my money and I pay for it, since I only drive 8-9K per year, a lease worked for me and it was literally $100 more than my current payment per month with 2500 down.

BTW, if there's any clubs in Socal, lmk. Looking forward to hanging out with BMW guys too now
Geekenstein commented:
April 14, 2013, 4:21 am

It's very stupid, but no matter what car you drive, there's always a certain "image" that goes with it, which may be far more than you bargained for. Even if you drive a Corolla there's an "image". (boring guy who will snap one day and gun down all his coworkers).

BMW's are basically coded by color:
White - middle eastern guy with gold chains.
Red - street racing D.B.
Black - arrogant managerial type
Grey/Silver - grouchy older managerial type
sr5959 commented:
April 14, 2013, 4:40 am

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Originally Posted by hokiexdriver View Post
don't let anyone tell you how to spend your own money. Don't buy to impress others; don't not buy to impress others.
+++1!
Wiggum commented:
April 14, 2013, 4:54 am

This is my second leased car. My first was a G37x which I got a good deal on. I was looking at many cars before deciding on the BMW (Has not arrived yet) I looked at the Ford Fusion AWD and Hybrid, Honda Accord Plug in, Audi, and several other cars that were much less then the BMW. One of my deciding factors was the residual values. The 328xi payments were not that much more then a car costing nearly 10k less. 63% vs 54% or less in some cases. Went for the test drive and was sold right away.

There is one guy at work who makes considerably more money who thinks everything is a "status" He drives a 328 and when he found out I was getting a 328xi quickly made some comments about him looking at the 5 series and saying "that is what really represents the BMW name" He's already made comments that he hates the screen on the dashboard not being covered and they should have made it come up and down. (When your in the car it will be up so whats the big deal)

I don't smoke, go to bars, travel, etc. This is what I like to spend my money on. I don't care what people think of me. If your truly my friend you will not care what I drive.

I personally believe that some cheaper cars are more of head turners these days. Some of the Kia's, Mazda's, etc have some really nice looking cars. I'm ok with that. Less attention to me!
The Swede commented:
April 14, 2013, 6:02 am

German cars and especially BMW are very popular here and you see them everywhere. You see more BMWs than American cars in total on the roads in Sweden. Even many taxis here are BMW, Audi or Mercedes.

For that reason nobody cares, maybe some people with car knowledge raise their eyebrows if they see a M3 or a M5 but otherwise you need to drive something more exotic if you want attention.
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 8:54 am

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Originally Posted by scarboy6693 View Post
I've been faced with hatred. Its honestly pretty stupid, but in the month I've had this car, I've been called Retarded, Gay, Kool-Aid Drinker, Dumbass, and Sheep by those people in the club who called themselves my "Friends" right before I traded in. Frankly it pissed me at first, but I learned not to care anymore.
Lots of angry,envious people out there.
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:03 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
Maybe it's not the beach house, watch, title, your wife or the car that people get the negative reaction to, maybe it's your Braggart attitude....You come across as a condescending person on the internet. I can only imagine you in person. Just food for thought and also my observation.

:
Lighten up Fancis. It's all in good fun.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:07 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post

Also, I don't consider a BMW 3 Series a status symbol. It's a Nice car, but in my opinion, not a status symbol, but our opinions might differ and we can agree to disagree.


Stop right there. The average American family has a median annual gross income of $50,500 a year. In these internet conversations, I'm not referring to people like you (and I) who wouldn't view a $499 monthly lease payment as anything special. I am referring to those who make under $100K who can't touch a BMW. That's about 80% of America right there.

Amongst you (and I) and our elitist set, a 3 Series is small potatoes for most. But we live amongst the 80% and, frankly, it's very condescending to hear you say that a BMW is a "nice car but not a status symbol". Next time you hit up the McDonald's drive thru, ask the guy at the window if he likes your non-status symbol, let me know how your fries taste.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
How you behave has ALOT to do with it if you're bragging about it. That is the behavior that I'm speaking about. People might not be judging you on what you have, but how you present it to them. That is how behavior has ALOT to do with how people perceive/judge you.

Best of Luck and Have a Great night!
And that's another inaccuracy. How one behaves makes no difference. People who meet you (or I) for the first time size us up immediately. BMW, Rolex, Ralph Lauren, Tumi, hot wife, 4 kids, up must be an arrogant rich guy. I stopped trying to fight this years ago. Like you, tried to live a just and pious life. But I got tired of feeling like I should hide my success as if its something to be ashamed of- especially in light of the fact that no matter what I did or how I acted people rushed to judgement just the same. In fact, it pisses some people off to see a guy who's nice who has 'everything'. They're looking for flaws, might as well make it about the possessions and not the person.

All of this is a very long-winded way of saying something very self-evident: Through decades of savvy marketing, BMW has cultivated a dual perception which is completely amazing: 1. It's a luxurious status symbol, 2. It's a tight performance car. No matter why you drive the car, you get the benefit/detriment of both perceptions.

BJ
MMME30W commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:12 am

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Originally Posted by captainaudio View Post
I find that people are totally indifferent to me when I am driving a BMW.
Just like when I am not driving a BMW.

CA
Welcome! You new here?
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:17 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Swede View Post
German cars and especially BMW are very popular here and you see them everywhere. You see more BMWs than American cars in total on the roads in Sweden. Even many taxis here are BMW, Audi or Mercedes.

For that reason nobody cares, maybe some people with car knowledge raise their eyebrows if they see a M3 or a M5 but otherwise you need to drive something more exotic if you want attention.
Lots of 316s over there without all the amenities, right? 134 HP. They couldn't sell those things over here.

Most people in US don't realize that BMW has a much broader market segment in the rest of the world.
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:24 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post


Stop right there. The average American family has a median annual gross income of $50,500 a year. In these internet conversations, I'm not referring to people like you (and I) who wouldn't view a $499 monthly lease payment as anything special. I am referring to those who make under $100K who can't touch a BMW. That's about 80% of America right there.

Amongst you (and I) and our elitist set, a 3 Series is small potatoes for most. But we live amongst the 80% and, frankly, it's very condescending to hear you say that a BMW is a "nice car but not a status symbol". Next time you hit up the McDonald's drive thru, ask the guy at the window if he likes your non-status symbol, let me know how your fries taste.



And that's another inaccuracy. How one behaves makes no difference. People who meet you (or I) for the first time size us up immediately. BMW, Rolex, Ralph Lauren, Tumi, hot wife, 4 kids, up must be an arrogant rich guy. I stopped trying to fight this years ago. Like you, tried to live a just and pious life. But I got tired of feeling like I should hide my success as if its something to be ashamed of- especially in light of the fact that no matter what I did or how I acted people rushed to judgement just the same. In fact, it pisses some people off to see a guy who's nice who has 'everything'. They're looking for flaws, might as well make it about the possessions and not the person.

All of this is a very long-winded way of saying something very self-evident: Through decades of savvy marketing, BMW has cultivated a dual perception which is completely amazing: 1. It's a luxurious status symbol, 2. It's a tight performance car. No matter why you drive the car, you get the benefit/detriment of both perceptions.

BJ
BJ is right. Get out of your house, and take a good look how most people on the planet live. Ever been to Haiti? They live in boxes down there. Ever drive though India? What about Camden, NJ? LOL!

Honestly, when people talk about a $50,000 car not being anything special, it's as if they are taking acid and completely oblivious of reality.

Seriously, how ignorant can you get?
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:29 am

I just love it how people on the 'Fest think that the roads are paved in gold, everyone has a 6 figure salary, there is no such thing as poverty, the Easter bunny is real, and BMWs are nothing special.

Capobranco commented:
April 14, 2013, 10:06 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
...and this lecture doesn't make you sound condescending?

You're missing the point which is: We drive certain cars, we wear certain accessories, we own certain real estate and other people will judge us based on that. How we behave has nothing to do with it. Those who deliberately choose to drive status symbols get a reaction. It comes with the territory. We aren't naive.

BJ
The argument as presented is fundamentally flawed, but it does offer an insight that resonates. Although "status" is open to interpretation as to its specific constitution, influenced by cultural context, status as an idea remains a powerful motivator of human behavior. In terms of BMWs, the perceived prestige of the brand can provide a positive or negative incentive to purchase depending on the subtle interplay of internal personality and cultural context. BoltjaM3s exists – the reality of his presence provides concrete validating evidence.

The perceived status of a Porsche 911 based on my former ownership experience did influence my purchase of my M3 when I was considering both cars. Porsche is generally perceived as being the more prestigious brand vis-à-vis BMW. Very few people take notice my M3. My M3's stealthy lack of status – confirmed now by my experience – did motivate my decision at some level to purchase an M3 instead of a 911 Carrera. I drive my M3 for the sheer joy of driving, not public opinion. However, my effort to deny the power of status ironically provides confirmation of its influence.

Although I affirm the power of status and its influences, More fundamentally, I prefer to venerate the ideal of our human potential to chart our own course. To paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt - no one can insult you unless you give them that permission.

We aren't naïve?
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 10:48 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
The argument as presented is fundamentally flawed, but it does offer an insight that resonates. Although "status" is open to interpretation as to its specific constitution, influenced by cultural context, status as an idea remains a powerful motivator of human behavior. In terms of BMWs, the perceived prestige of the brand can provide a positive or negative incentive to purchase depending on the subtle interplay of internal personality and cultural context. BoltjaM3s exists – the reality of his presence provides concrete validating evidence.

The perceived status of a Porsche 911 based on my former ownership experience did influence my purchase of my M3 when I was considering both cars. Porsche is generally perceived as being the more prestigious brand vis-à-vis BMW. Very few people take notice my M3. My M3's stealthy lack of status – confirmed now by my experience – did motivate my decision at some level to purchase an M3 instead of a 911 Carrera. I drive my M3 for the sheer joy of driving, not public opinion. However, my effort to deny the power of status ironically provides confirmation of its influence.

Although I affirm the power of status and its influences, More fundamentally, I prefer to venerate the ideal of our human potential to chart our own course. To paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt - no one can insult you unless you give them that permission.

We aren't naïve?
LOL!

Dude, this is Bimmerfest, not a college philosophy class. The only things we "venerate" around here are luxury performance sedans.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 14, 2013, 11:42 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
I just love it how people on the 'Fest think that the roads are paved in gold, everyone has a 6 figure salary, there is no such thing as poverty, the Easter bunny is real, and BMWs are nothing special.
+1

It's just another hysterical paradox. In trying so hard to prove that they are not arrogant and condescending, they are arrogant and condescending.

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
LOL!

Dude, this is Bimmerfest, not a college philosophy class. The only things we "venerate" around here are luxury performance sedans.
I couldn't even make it four sentences in. It gave me a headache.

BJ
Capobranco commented:
April 14, 2013, 11:54 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
LOL!

Dude, this is Bimmerfest, not a college philosophy class. The only things we "venerate" around here are luxury performance sedans.
Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
+1

I couldn't even make it four sentences in. It gave me a headache.

BJ

http://youtu.be/Z7BuQFUhsRM
The Swede commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:11 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
Lots of 316s over there without all the amenities, right? 134 HP. They couldn't sell those things over here.

Most people in US don't realize that BMW has a much broader market segment in the rest of the world.
Yes you can buy a 316 or a 318 (both only in a sedan), but those are very rare on the roads in Sweden (considered underpowered). The best-selling 3-series is the 320d (sold in the US as 328d). 320 and 328 sells around the same. One interesting number is that the 3-series and 5-series sales figures aren't far from each other.

Also the six cylinders aren't unusual at al. I think you Americans have a habit on telling yourself that people in Europe only drives cars with small engines. Exactly like we in Europe believe that Americans can't buy cars that doesn't have at least a V8.

If you split BMWs sales figures with population the result is:
Sweden: 16,088 BMW:s sold in 2012 and a population of 9,5 millions = One new BMW per 590 citizens.
USA: 281,460 BMW:s sold in 2012 and a population of 316 million = One new BMW per 1123 citizens.
Geekenstein commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:19 pm

90% of Americans will see the 3 as a status symbol, whether you bought it for that reason or not. And most people who don't know much about BMW's will not realize it's one of the less expensive models, so they'll assume you're FILTHY rich. Then if you get in front of them on the freeway they'll feel like you're rubbing their face in it. Pretty good recipe for road rage. But hey, if someone resents another person's success (or imagined success) that much, then they deserve to feel miserable.
Chris90 commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:33 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by scarboy6693 View Post
I'll come clean out on this one.. Before my 328i, I had a Kia Forte SX (Yes, I know nothing great, but it got the job done)... Long story short was involved with a couple local clubs, and When I traded in for the BMW (Huge upgrade BTW), Suddenly I've been faced with hatred. Its honestly pretty stupid, but in the month I've had this car, I've been called Retarded, Gay, Kool-Aid Drinker, Dumbass, and Sheep by those people in the club who called themselves my "Friends" right before I traded in. Frankly it pissed me at first, but I learned not to care anymore. At the end of the day, Its my money and I pay for it, since I only drive 8-9K per year, a lease worked for me and it was literally $100 more than my current payment per month with 2500 down.

BTW, if there's any clubs in Socal, lmk. Looking forward to hanging out with BMW guys too now
serves you right for bringing a BMW to a Kia Club.
dogguyX3 commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:42 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
The argument as presented is fundamentally flawed, but it does offer an insight that resonates. Although "status" is open to interpretation as to its specific constitution, influenced by cultural context, status as an idea remains a powerful motivator of human behavior. In terms of BMWs, the perceived prestige of the brand can provide a positive or negative incentive to purchase depending on the subtle interplay of internal personality and cultural context. BoltjaM3s exists – the reality of his presence provides concrete validating evidence.

The perceived status of a Porsche 911 based on my former ownership experience did influence my purchase of my M3 when I was considering both cars. Porsche is generally perceived as being the more prestigious brand vis-à-vis BMW. Very few people take notice my M3. My M3's stealthy lack of status – confirmed now by my experience – did motivate my decision at some level to purchase an M3 instead of a 911 Carrera. I drive my M3 for the sheer joy of driving, not public opinion. However, my effort to deny the power of status ironically provides confirmation of its influence.

Although I affirm the power of status and its influences, More fundamentally, I prefer to venerate the ideal of our human potential to chart our own course. To paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt - no one can insult you unless you give them that permission.

We aren't naïve?
Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
LOL!

Dude, this is Bimmerfest, not a college philosophy class. The only things we "venerate" around here are luxury performance sedans.
Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
+1

I couldn't even make it four sentences in. It gave me a headache.

BJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
LMAO nice work Capo

dgx3
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:49 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
My favorite movie, but you got to admit that this sounds a little silly.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Capobranco View Post
The argument as presented is fundamentally flawed, but it does offer an insight that resonates. Although "status" is open to interpretation as to its specific constitution, influenced by cultural context, status as an idea remains a powerful motivator of human behavior. In terms of BMWs, the perceived prestige of the brand can provide a positive or negative incentive to purchase depending on the subtle interplay of internal personality and cultural context. BoltjaM3s exists – the reality of his presence provides concrete validating evidence.

The perceived status of a Porsche 911 based on my former ownership experience did influence my purchase of my M3 when I was considering both cars. Porsche is generally perceived as being the more prestigious brand vis-à-vis BMW. Very few people take notice my M3. My M3's stealthy lack of status – confirmed now by my experience – did motivate my decision at some level to purchase an M3 instead of a 911 Carrera. I drive my M3 for the sheer joy of driving, not public opinion. However, my effort to deny the power of status ironically provides confirmation of its influence.

Although I affirm the power of status and its influences, More fundamentally, I prefer to venerate the ideal of our human potential to chart our own course. To paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt - no one can insult you unless you give them that permission.

We aren't naïve?
chris328 commented:
April 14, 2013, 12:50 pm









dogguyX3 commented:
April 14, 2013, 1:05 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
My favorite movie, but you got to admit that this sounds a little silly.
Capo has a point (points) He usually does.
I enjoy the mental jousting, and the video retort: germane.

When one champions the shuttering of the windows into the soul,
one becomes a Gonfaloniere of the gluttonous.

dgx3
mr29 commented:
April 14, 2013, 1:48 pm

this has turned into a great discussion.
Mark K commented:
April 14, 2013, 2:36 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
LOL!

Dude, this is Bimmerfest, not a college philosophy class. The only things we "venerate" around here are luxury performance sedans.
The only things? Speak for yourself, dude. Some of us venerate Venus (Also Known As "pu**y" outside of philosophy classes) and Bacchus (Also Known As "Dude, what did I do last night again?!" outside of the philosophy class) way before luxury performance sedans.

That said, back to the topic, I only got in that situation twice (felt like I'm being judged for purchasing BMW) and in both cases pulling out the pics from my fist track day with this car and stating something along the lines of "Man, I was sh*tting my pants! Yea, didn't help the car had only 5,000 miles on it." (true statements, both of them) helped a lot. In both cases they looked at me very eloquently with expression that can be freely translated like this:




It works, try it sometime.
sr5959 commented:
April 14, 2013, 3:43 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
The thing was...if I hadn't seen him by chance out of the corner of my eye and stopped going forward, he would have hit my car and been thrown forward off of his bike. That's the thanks I got.
You should've done the human race a favor and flattened him, hopefully you were driving your SUV at the time...
Capobranco commented:
April 14, 2013, 3:53 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
I get lots of negative reaction in my BMW, just as intended.

My beach house makes people hate me at dinner parties. My Rolex makes people hate me on the train. My title makes people hate me in the boardroom. My wife makes people hate me at the country club. My BMW makes people hate me on the roadways.

Don't fight it. It's too much work. Embrace the stereotype.

BJ
To counter with dogguyX3's illuminating turn of phrase.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by dogguyX3 View Post
.....
When one champions the shuttering of the windows into the soul,
one becomes a Gonfaloniere of the gluttonous.

dgx3

..... if the guillotine fits.....

................
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 4:18 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark K View Post
The only things? Speak for yourself, dude. Some of us venerate Venus (Also Known As "pu**y" outside of philosophy classes) and Bacchus (Also Known As "Dude, what did I do last night again?!" outside of the philosophy class) way before luxury performance sedans.

That said, back to the topic, I only got in that situation twice (felt like I'm being judged for purchasing BMW) and in both cases pulling out the pics from my fist track day with this car and stating something along the lines of "Man, I was sh*tting my pants! Yea, didn't help the car had only 5,000 miles on it." (true statements, both of them) helped a lot. In both cases they looked at me very eloquently with expression that can be freely translated like this:




It works, try it sometime.
Why are you always so angry?

This is a car forum. You think you're the only person here that likes pu**y?

By the way, this is an F30 forum. Not sure why you want to hang out here with all the folks that drive a superior car.
That70sGAdawg commented:
April 14, 2013, 4:32 pm

There are several BMW's in my area, but when I travel outside the area to more rural areas- there IS an attitude that has persisted since the (yuppie BMW pricks in the '80's). . Most of the good old boy new top of the line pickup trucks cost more then my pre-owned '08 535i did, but they just don't know that. Drive what you want, and can pay for. You only live once. I will not let others dictate my life...
boltjaM3s commented:
April 14, 2013, 5:20 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post

By the way, this is an F30 forum. Not sure why you want to hang out here with all the folks that drive a superior car.
Oh Nellie.

BJ
PK2348 commented:
April 14, 2013, 5:31 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by geekenstein View Post
it's very stupid, but no matter what car you drive, there's always a certain "image" that goes with it, which may be far more than you bargained for. Even if you drive a corolla there's an "image". (boring guy who will snap one day and gun down all his coworkers).

Bmw's are basically coded by color:
White - middle eastern guy with gold chains.
Red - street racing d.b.
Black - arrogant managerial type
grey/silver - grouchy older managerial type
ebii?
boltjaM3s commented:
April 14, 2013, 5:55 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by PK2348 View Post
EBII?


Bisexual in denial.

BJ
Mark K commented:
April 14, 2013, 6:06 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by krash View Post
Why are you always so angry?
I wasn't the least bit angry and I'm sorry if you read it that way. Will use emoticons next time.
Carnook commented:
April 14, 2013, 6:14 pm

BMWs are very common here, yet people still 'Oooooohh' when I say I just bought one. It still has a premium, expensive reputation.

Whats more interesting is how people react when I tell them it has red leather interior. They kind of step back and say 'oh really?' as if I just told them I'm into kinky leather and whips. Very strange.
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 6:37 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnook View Post
BMWs are very common here, yet people still 'Oooooohh' when I say I just bought one. It still has a premium, expensive reputation.

Whats more interesting is how people react when I tell them it has red leather interior. They kind of step back and say 'oh really?' as if I just told them I'm into kinky leather and whips. Very strange.
I prefer to venerate the ideal of the human potential to chart our own course.
Shivam commented:
April 14, 2013, 6:38 pm

I can't argue with a lot of you guys do to my age, and you guys have much more life experience then me;but as a younger BMW driver I can tell you guys no matter what people see us differently either in a positive or negative way. They feel as if we are trying too hard. My friends have much more money then me, but still they drive Hondas. It's their choice, I like spending my money and enjoying it on premium things. It's just how I am. But to some people, they just can't even walk into a dealership because they are intimated by the status of it. My cousin didnt even want to sit in my car. But at the end of the day this car makes me happy, and that's all that matters.
terryn commented:
April 14, 2013, 6:44 pm

Funny these comments about negative reactions from owning a BWM. In my town, I think I will be the last person to have one! (I'm only exaggerating a little. They are literally all over. You can't drive around without seeing one about every other minute.)

Way too much money in NJ.
Carnook commented:
April 14, 2013, 6:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
My friends have much more money then me, but still they drive Hondas. It's their choice...
"Bad decisions made with good intentions are still bad decisions." Jim Collins

kobechrome commented:
April 14, 2013, 7:05 pm

This debate needs some perspective. Where I live in Northern VA, people wipe their asses with 3 series. It's REALLY nothing special. I suspect it's that way along the coasts in the urban areas, where many of us are from. If you look at the top 10 earning counties in the US I bet 8-9 of then are along the coasts in major metro areas (NY/NJ/VA/LA/SF etc). Of course if you average it across the entire nation the numbers tell a different story. But many are comparing with our neighbors, friends, and coworkers; not the average family of 4 from Nebraska making 50k a year. So yes, BMW is a status symbol in most parts of the country but chances are if you are even frequenting a forum such as this, you're likely in an area where a BMW is nothing special.
Shivam commented:
April 14, 2013, 7:15 pm

Someone who lives in New Jersey, are their seriously BMWs everywhere? That what I hear a lot on these forums!
terryn commented:
April 14, 2013, 7:20 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
Someone who lives in New Jersey, are their seriously BMWs everywhere? That what I hear a lot on these forums!
There are in Madison NJ. Tons of Audis too
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 7:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
Someone who lives in New Jersey, are their seriously BMWs everywhere? That what I hear a lot on these forums!
They're all over Camden NJ. Every dilapidated row home has one parked in front of it.
captainaudio commented:
April 14, 2013, 7:30 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
They're all over Camden NJ. Every dilapidated row home has one parked in front of it.
And as we all know the slums of Camden are totally representative of the entire state,

CA
Shivam commented:
April 14, 2013, 7:37 pm

What's the demographic like in the New Jersey area?
captainaudio commented:
April 14, 2013, 7:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
What's the demographic like in the New Jersey area?
New Jersey has some of the poorest neighborhoods in the country and some of the richest neighborhoods in the country. In most part of the state it is not unusual to see a BMW.

CA
Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 14, 2013, 8:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
Someone who lives in New Jersey, are their seriously BMWs everywhere? That what I hear a lot on these forums!
Morris and Bergen county, yep. Camden is South Jersey, it's like a different country.

Just like Manhatten, it does not represent all of NY, plenty of places up state that are VERY different and $250k which buys a parking spot in NYC will buy you acres out there.
mynycbimmer commented:
April 14, 2013, 8:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
Someone who lives in New Jersey, are their seriously BMWs everywhere? That what I hear a lot on these forums!
There are a ton of 3 series but not much else. The state is full of people who think they are rich yet demonstrate that wealth by purchasing a 3 series. There are small pockets of wealth (Alpine is nice) but by and large, lots of wannabes. Watch the Real Housewives show sometime, it's really like that unfortunately.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 14, 2013, 8:37 pm

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Originally Posted by mynycbimmer View Post
There are a ton of 3 series but not much else. The state is full of people who think they are rich yet demonstrate that wealth by purchasing a 3 series. There are small pockets of wealth (Alpine is nice) but by and large, lots of wannabes. Watch the Real Housewives show sometime, it's really like that unfortunately.
Yes, what you see on Tv is a great representation of real life lol.
PK2348 commented:
April 14, 2013, 8:45 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post


Bisexual in denial.

BJ
That's funny
Somehow, even if i like a particular color and how a car looks in that color, i still never get it. My cars are always black.
Shivam commented:
April 14, 2013, 8:48 pm

So you're telling me jersey; is like jersey shore?
Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 14, 2013, 8:52 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
So you're telling me jersey; is like jersey shore?
Nearly every Jersey Shore cast member is not from NJ, but from NY.
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 8:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
So you're telling me jersey; is like jersey shore?
No, it's not that good.

LOL!

Just kidding. People in NY and PA love to pick on NJ...
terryn commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:08 pm

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Originally Posted by mynycbimmer View Post
There are a ton of 3 series but not much else. The state is full of people who think they are rich yet demonstrate that wealth by purchasing a 3 series. There are small pockets of wealth (Alpine is nice) but by and large, lots of wannabes. Watch the Real Housewives show sometime, it's really like that unfortunately.
Actually, around me X5's and X7's are very common at about the same level as 3 series, with quite a few 5 and 7 series too.
beden1 commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:16 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
No, it's not that good. LOL!

Just kidding. People in NY and PA love to pick on NJ...
That's funny!
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:17 pm

I'm in PA, and where I live, I see BMWs everywhere. In fact, there is one in our bath tub. How the hell did it get there? I guess it's because they're common and everywhere.
-=Hot|Ice=- commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:23 pm

Surprised.
captainaudio commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:38 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
I'm in PA, and where I live, I see BMWs everywhere. In fact, there is one in our bath tub. How the hell did it get there? I guess it's because they're common and everywhere.
In the New York City area BMWs are a common sight and attract little or no attention. That includes Costco parking lots and most places that I go in the Northeast corridor including Long Island, Connecticut, New Jersey and the outer boroughs of NYC.

If I stand in front of my home in Manhattan and watch the cars stop at the traffic light in front of the building there is literally at least one BMW stopped at every change of the light and I assume that they are not all being driven by people from the neighborhood as I am on a major uptown street (actually in NYC all uptown streets are major uptown streets . BMWs are also a common sight in the parking lot of several Costco stores that we go to and in most mall parking lots in the area, I am not by any means saying that they represent the majority of cars around but they are common enough to not attract much attention as are competitive brands like Mercedes, Lexus and Audi.

I will say that most Manhattanites are indifferent to almost all cars. I have seen Aston Martins and Maseratis and Porsches parked on the street and be completely ignored by passers by.

I can also honestly say that I have never felt that anyone has treated me differently or exhibited road rage because I was driving a BMW. Most of the (rare) attention that I have received has been from the drivers of other nice cars and interestingly the E93 has attracted more attention than the 750.
bmwtogo commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:45 pm

I take my younger 2 kids to and from school. Many of the cars in the carpool lanes are Mercedes, BMW (all the series), and Volvo. People out here call volvo the nerd or soccer mom ride, Mercedes is seen as Grandma's car, and BMW is the pimp ride lol. There are tons of European autos out in my area, so it's not a big deal.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
Someone who lives in New Jersey, are their seriously BMWs everywhere? That what I hear a lot on these forums!
If you look at the list of the Wealthiest Counties In The United States, it follows our poster-base here to a tee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ed_States#2011

Virginia
New Jersey
New York
Colorado
Maryland
California

The thing about Jersey is that we are the closest residential community that's upscale, attractive, and laden with good schools to Manhattan. I'm 25 minutes from the West Side highway, 35 minutes by train to lower Manhattan. But my town looks like something from that movie Doc Hollywood with their squash festival.

BJ
boltjaM3s commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
So you're telling me jersey; is like jersey shore?
The Jersey shore is very South, you're looking at where people from dirty Philadelphia vacation on weekends.

Bergen County is very North, you're looking at where all the clean Manhattan workers live.

Night and day.

BJ
beden1 commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:56 pm

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Originally Posted by captainaudio View Post
In the New York City area BMWs are a common sight and attract little or no attention. That includes Costco parking lots and most places that I go in the Northeast corridor including Long Island, Connecticut, New Jersey and the outer boroughs of NYC.

If I stand in front of my home in Manhattan and watch the cars stop at the traffic light in front of the building there is literally at least one BMW stopped at every change of the light and I assume that they are not all being driven by people from the neighborhood as I am on a major uptown street (actually in NYC all uptown streets are major uptown streets . BMWs are also a common sight in the parking lot of several Costco stores that we go to and in most mall parking lots in the area, I am not by any means saying that they represent the majority of cars around but they are common enough to not attract much attention as are competitive brands like Mercedes, Lexus and Audi.

I will say that most Manhattanites are indifferent to almost all cars. I have seen Aston Martins and Maseratis and Porsches parked on the street and be completely ignored by passers by.

I can also honestly say that I have never felt that anyone has treated me differently or exhibited road rage because I was driving a BMW. Most of the (rare) attention that I have received has been from the drivers of other nice cars and interestingly the E93 has attracted more attention than the 750.
Everything is invisible in NYC. That's why people of notoriety like living in NYC because they can blend in with the cityscape.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 14, 2013, 9:56 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
I'm in PA, and where I live, I see BMWs everywhere. In fact, there is one in our bath tub. How the hell did it get there? I guess it's because they're common and everywhere.
"My cleaning woman and every Sweet 16 birthday girl gets a 3 Series."

I love that one.

BJ
beden1 commented:
April 14, 2013, 10:00 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
The Jersey shore is very South, you're looking at where people from dirty Philadelphia vacation on weekends.

Bergen County is very North, you're looking at where all the clean Manhattan workers live.

Night and day.

BJ
South Jersey barrier islands like Stone Harbor and Avalon have house prices that make those in Bergen County look like chump change.
captainaudio commented:
April 14, 2013, 10:09 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
If you look at the list of the Wealthiest Counties In The United States, it follows our poster-base here to a tee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ed_States#2011

Virginia
New Jersey
New York
Colorado
Maryland
California

The thing about Jersey is that we are the closest residential community that's upscale, attractive, and laden with good schools to Manhattan. I'm 25 minutes from the West Side highway, 35 minutes by train to lower Manhattan. But my town looks like something from that movie Doc Hollywood with their squash festival.

BJ
And our poster base is speaking from their personal experience. In the areas I frequent BMWs are a common sight (and I do not restrict my travels to "upscale enclaves")

BMWs are probably very rare in rural North Dakota and I am sure they attract a lot of attention, but I don't go to North Dakota and for the most part drive my BMWs in areas where there are a lot of other BMWs so although I am not implying that everyone in the tri-stare area can afford a BMW for the most part everyone around here is very used to seeing BMWs and are generally oblivious to them.

CA
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 10:09 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
South Jersey barrier islands like Stone Harbor and Avalon have house prices that make those in Bergen County look like chump change.
Yeah, I always that the cast of Jersey Shore was from Brooklyn, but I really don't know for sure.

EDIT: But Brooklyn and South Philly are basically the same thing...
krash commented:
April 14, 2013, 10:17 pm

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Originally Posted by bmwtogo View Post
I take my younger 2 kids to and from school. Many of the cars in the carpool lanes are Mercedes, BMW (all the series), and Volvo. People out here call volvo the nerd or soccer mom ride, Mercedes is seen as Grandma's car, and BMW is the pimp ride lol. There are tons of European autos out in my area, so it's not a big deal.
Our school district is sort of like that. Several kids got new 328s for their 16th birthday. My kids are always asking why I didn't buy them one. I told them to go to college, get good grades and buy one for yourself.

Some of the neighboring school districts are like that too. But if you go east about 5 to 10 miles, it's like falling off a cliff.

No BMWs. A brand new Chevy Malibu in the driveway is a status symbol.
Shivam commented:
April 14, 2013, 10:34 pm

I feel like Seattle is just completely opposite of where you guys live. We have very well educated demographic because of all the tech companies here, but it's not like you see bmw everywhere. I still admire the led lights when it passes by me. I feel kind of glad living in Seattle now. I feel like places like New York and New Jersey are way to competitive, and people are way too materialistic.
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 14, 2013, 10:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
I feel like Seattle is just completely opposite of where you guys live. We have very well educated demographic because of all the tech companies here, but it's not like you see bmw everywhere. I still admire the led lights when it passes by me. I feel kind of glad living in Seattle now. I feel like places like New York and New Jersey are way to competitive, and people are way too materialistic.
Excluding IT types, scientists and engineers tend to be thrifty spenders, and getting a status symbol car will not impress anyone they might care to impress.
Force commented:
April 14, 2013, 11:04 pm

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Originally Posted by PK2348 View Post
ebii?
So I have a grey paint with red interior so I must be an old grouchy manager who is a racing d bag. Lol
Shivam commented:
April 14, 2013, 11:10 pm

I wonder what kind of discussions do they have at a Kia forum lol! This forum is honestly the most useful and entertaining!
boltjaM3s commented:
April 14, 2013, 11:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post

I feel like places like New York and New Jersey are way to competitive, and people are way too materialistic.
You would be correct, but those who succeed here thrive like nowhere else.

BJ
That70sGAdawg commented:
April 14, 2013, 11:30 pm

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Originally Posted by Force View Post
So I have a grey paint with red interior so I must be an old grouchy manager who is a racing d bag. Lol
According to that poster :
My Alpine White means I'm "middle eastern guy with gold chains"
WAY off, closer to the stoggy old man in an extended midlife crisis that wants a drivers car that does everything ask of it..
boltjaM3s commented:
April 14, 2013, 11:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
I wonder what kind of discussions do they have at a Kia forum lol!
"Hey, they're running a purchase-two-get-one-free on a loaves of white bread at Price Chopper, works out to $0.86 cents a loaf! Who wants in on a group-buy?"

BJ
Geekenstein commented:
April 14, 2013, 11:51 pm

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Originally Posted by That70sGAdawg View Post
According to that poster :
My Alpine White means I'm "middle eastern guy with gold chains"
WAY off, closer to the stoggy old man in an extended midlife crisis that wants a drivers car that does everything ask of it..
Not my opinion. I was just trying to get inside the head of the typical overly-image-conscious person you might encounter on the freeway.
That70sGAdawg commented:
April 15, 2013, 12:16 am

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Originally Posted by Geekenstein View Post
Not my opinion. I was just trying to get inside the head of the typical overly-image-conscious person you might encounter on the freeway.
Ok, Got it! I bought Alpine White so it would be so much cooler (temp wise) in the Summer,but it's a pain to keep clean in pollen season right now.
FreddyG commented:
April 15, 2013, 1:03 am

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
Lighten up Fancis. It's all in good fun.
Who is Fancis?

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post


Stop right there. The average American family has a median annual gross income of $50,500 a year. In these internet conversations, I'm not referring to people like you (and I) who wouldn't view a $499 monthly lease payment as anything special. I am referring to those who make under $100K who can't touch a BMW. That's about 80% of America right there.

Amongst you (and I) and our elitist set, a 3 Series is small potatoes for most. But we live amongst the 80% and, frankly, it's very condescending to hear you say that a BMW is a "nice car but not a status symbol". Next time you hit up the McDonald's drive thru, ask the guy at the window if he likes your non-status symbol, let me know how your fries taste.

Thanks for the graph, but I'll stand by what I said...I don't consider a BMW 3 Series to be a status symbol. You do and that's Cool, but I say that we agree to disagree. You won't change my mind and I won't change yours. Different opinions make the world go around.

Where we differ is that I don't care what the person at McDonald's or any place else for that matters thinks about what I drive. I didn't buy it to impress them. We bought it because my wife liked it. By the way, the fries were good...Thanks for asking!


And that's another inaccuracy. How one behaves makes no difference. People who meet you (or I) for the first time size us up immediately. BMW, Rolex, Ralph Lauren, Tumi, hot wife, 4 kids, up must be an arrogant rich guy. I stopped trying to fight this years ago. Like you, tried to live a just and pious life. But I got tired of feeling like I should hide my success as if its something to be ashamed of- especially in light of the fact that no matter what I did or how I acted people rushed to judgement just the same. In fact, it pisses some people off to see a guy who's nice who has 'everything'. They're looking for flaws, might as well make it about the possessions and not the person.

I do agree with some of these statements though that SOME people will make hasty judgements before actually getting to know someone. If people you know are like that, may I suggest that you hang around a different class of people? Just food for thought.

All of this is a very long-winded way of saying something very self-evident: Through decades of savvy marketing, BMW has cultivated a dual perception which is completely amazing: 1. It's a luxurious status symbol, 2. It's a tight performance car. No matter why you drive the car, you get the benefit/detriment of both perceptions.

I agree that BMW does do good marketing, but I have to stick to my opinion that the 3 Series isn't a status symbol. You disagree with that and have a different opinion than I do, and that's Great. So, I say that we should just agree to disagree and save our typing fingers for something more constructive. Please have a Great Night!

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
BJ is right. Get out of your house, and take a good look how most people on the planet live. Ever been to Haiti? They live in boxes down there. Ever drive though India? What about Camden, NJ? LOL!

Honestly, when people talk about a $50,000 car not being anything special, it's as if they are taking acid and completely oblivious of reality.

Seriously, how ignorant can you get?
I'm not saying $50k isn't special, it's a WHOLE lot of money to me, but the $50k that you spent on your BMW is the same $50k that buys a Ford Raptor or F150. So that makes them special too, right? See my point Fancis?

While my heart goes out to the people of those countries, you can also go to the other side of the coin in that there are people in Saudi, Russia,etc. that have their mattresses stuffed with hundred dollar bills. Trust me, they might be driving BMW's but I'm pretty sure they aren't 3 Series.
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 15, 2013, 1:25 am

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Originally Posted by Shivam View Post
I feel like Seattle is just completely opposite of where you guys live. We have very well educated demographic because of all the tech companies here, but it's not like you see bmw everywhere. I still admire the led lights when it passes by me. I feel kind of glad living in Seattle now. I feel like places like New York and New Jersey are way to competitive, and people are way too materialistic.
Let me add that education correlates with wealth only up to a certain salary level (that is peanuts compared to true high-earners). Beyond that, it's all about business.

As to NY/NJ being more materialistic, well, simply look at the economic profiles of those regions. The financial and related sectors don't exactly attract highly intellectual types or I-want-to-save-the-planet types For instance, you will never catch this dude trying to "seal a deal" in a high rise so that he can treat himself to a BMW, a Rolex, and a hooker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman . He is quoted as telling a hounding journalist "You are disturbing me. I am picking mushrooms."
Geekenstein commented:
April 15, 2013, 3:11 am

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Originally Posted by That70sGAdawg View Post
Ok, Got it! I bought Alpine White so it would be so much cooler (temp wise) in the Summer,but it's a pain to keep clean in pollen season right now.
That's funny. My car is black, and I thought that was the worst color for pollen. It appears as a bright yellow dust that really contrasts against the black paint. But I can imagine it would make a white car look very discolored.
drive by72 commented:
April 15, 2013, 3:37 am

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Originally Posted by av98 View Post
+1, the only people that appreciate our cars are other BMW enthusiasts who actually know the chassis code. Most people that drive the dime a dozen, don't even know what an F30 or E90 stands for. When I asked a co-worker he thought it was motor oil...sigh

Funny the main reason I got my E46 ZHP in SGM was to blend in with so many of the other BMWs on the road with the same color; specifically not to stand out. Hopefully to keep the cops from profiling your car.
Every time I get the chance, I try to talk to other BMW owners (say getting gas). I start the conversation with 'nice E9x/E39/whatever', unfortunately I get weird looks and a murmured 'thanks?' most of the time. Where I live, I'm the only person within 5 miles with a BMW, period. So when I'm driving around, everyone knows its me. Seems great, but the cops have also picked up on this. I don't abuse my privilege to drive, but do they really need to follow me all the way to taco bell and then park across the street waiting for me to leave?

I usually get the 'NIce car' reaction, despite the car being nearly 16 years old. Probably has something to do with the not-subtle Brembos on the front. Only time I've ever gotten a snide remark was from a guy selling a truck to me, he used the 'you have money, you drive a BMW'
(ps: most people don't know, but it costs more to drive my Chevy Cummins then it does my BMW. So, anyone in a truck telling me how I'm rich...)
mdsbuc commented:
April 15, 2013, 5:59 am

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post


Bisexual in denial.

BJ
LOL! There's a good case for keeping the amber reflectors on the front fenders.
krash commented:
April 15, 2013, 7:35 am

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Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
Who is Fancis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs
terryn commented:
April 15, 2013, 8:00 am

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Originally Posted by drive by72 View Post
So when I'm driving around, everyone knows its me. Seems great, but the cops have also picked up on this. I don't abuse my privilege to drive, but do they really need to follow me all the way to taco bell and then park across the street waiting for me to leave?
It's probably the brembo's. That means race to them.


When I was in H.S. I had a 1970 Mach I. It was bright yellow, black racing stripe, shaker hood scoop, rear window slats. Cops would always follow me around town. Having a conspicuous car that looks fast is just asking for more tickets. The police profile and target you.
furby076 commented:
April 15, 2013, 9:46 am

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Originally Posted by captainaudio View Post
I find that people are totally indifferent to me when I am driving a BMW.
Just like when I am not driving a BMW.

CA
Ergo, it's not about the car, it's you

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Originally Posted by captainaudio View Post
So that partially explains it.

Why does everyone else hate you?

Do you feel this way often?

OMG


I'm starting to sound like BJ's psychiatrist.



CA
Even BJ's lawyer hates him.

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Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
I'm not being condescending at all, just stating my opinion, on a public forum. Am I being judgemental, possibly...Condescending....not a bit!
You are most definitely being judgmental. That is OK.

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Originally Posted by The Swede View Post
Also the six cylinders aren't unusual at al. I think you Americans have a habit on telling yourself that people in Europe only drives cars with small engines. Exactly like we in Europe believe that Americans can't buy cars that doesn't have at least a V8.
It's written into our laws. Buy a v8 and get a tax break. Buy a v6 and nothing. Buy a 4-banger and you have to pay a wimpy engine VAT.
That70sGAdawg commented:
April 15, 2013, 10:30 am

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
I remember that- that's funny!!
brkf commented:
April 15, 2013, 10:49 am

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Originally Posted by That70sGAdawg View Post
Ok, Got it! I bought Alpine White so it would be so much cooler (temp wise) in the Summer,but it's a pain to keep clean in pollen season right now.
Yeah my alpine white e90 drove my nuts with the dust that would accumulate daily on the trunk and bumper. Sadly only the ubiquitous gray seems to fight this; bu I'm done with gray cars.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 15, 2013, 11:03 am

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Originally Posted by mdsbuc View Post
LOL! There's a good case for keeping the amber reflectors on the front fenders.
Hahahahaha. Perfect.

BJ
Jugghaid commented:
April 15, 2013, 11:16 am

I don't notice any reaction from anyone when driving around. which is fine. I bought the car for me.

The only reaction I have gotten is from friends/family/coworkers basically saying "nice car".
shabadoo25 commented:
April 15, 2013, 11:49 am

I've said this in another thread and it bears repeating here.

Your 1999 Camry/Accord driving neighbors will think you are a $ wastrel putting on airs.

Your Senior Director/VP at work that drives a 7 Series will wonder why you bought a car appropriate for his daughter on her 16th birthday.

Only people with appreciation of what it means to drive a 3 Series or who take a ride from you will appreciate it.
FreddyG commented:
April 15, 2013, 11:55 am

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
LOL...........Good one!
furby076 commented:
April 15, 2013, 11:59 am

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Originally Posted by shabadoo25 View Post
I've said this in another thread and it bears repeating here.

Your 1999 Camry/Accord driving neighbors will think you are a $ wastrel putting on airs.
They will try to steal your roundel

Quote:
Originally Posted by shabadoo25 View Post
Your Senior Director/VP at work that drives a 7 Series will wonder why you bought a car appropriate for his daughter on her 16th birthday.
Will realize that he doesn't need to give you a good raise.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shabadoo25 View Post
Only people with appreciation of what it means to drive a 3 Series or who take a ride from you will appreciate it.
I typically have a set of Depends available for all passengers.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 15, 2013, 12:00 pm

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Originally Posted by shabadoo25 View Post
I've said this in another thread and it bears repeating here.

Your 1999 Camry/Accord driving neighbors will think you are a $ wastrel putting on airs.

Your Senior Director/VP at work that drives a 7 Series will wonder why you bought a car appropriate for his daughter on her 16th birthday.

Only people with appreciation of what it means to drive a 3 Series or who take a ride from you will appreciate it.
I'm a Senior VP and I'm not buying my daughter a $50,000 German luxury car for her birthday.

In fact, I live in one of the wealthiest counties in the country and I've never seen a young girl behind the wheel of a new 3 Series ever, and I see 25+ of them every day and I'm looking at their drivers every day. I'm always looking into the windows of every BMW on the road, just waiting for some 30 year old cool guy to shoot me that knowing glance, that "Hey, nice car, you on Bimmerfest?" look. At this point, must have stared into the windows and windshield of 10,000 F30’s and E90’s and E93's and E92's in the last two years alone and every time I do it's always some balding pudgy male executive or some wrinkle eyed female librarian, they're all 50, they're all driving normally.

BJ
furby076 commented:
April 15, 2013, 12:02 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
I'm a Senior VP and I'm not buying my daughter a $50,000 German luxury car for her birthday.

In fact, I live in one of the wealthiest counties in the country and I've never seen a young girl behind the wheel of a new 3 Series ever, and I see 25+ of them every day and I'm looking at their drivers every day. I'm always looking into the windows of every BMW on the road, just waiting for some 30 year old cool guy to shoot me that knowing glance, that "Hey, nice car, you on Bimmerfest?" look. At this point, must have stared into the windows and windshield of 10,000 F30’s and E90’s and E93's and E92's in the last two years alone and every time I do it's always some balding pudgy male executive or some wrinkle eyed female librarian, they're all 50, they're all driving normally.

BJ
I did that once. You smiled, said hi, and then I think you told your son "don't grow up to be like him"
chris328 commented:
April 15, 2013, 12:33 pm

Ultimately status is what you make of it, and in my opinion BMWs are well designed. that may or may not translate into something of status depending on how you look at it. In general it conveys a sense of good taste, but it can alwys be marred by interpretation. For example from a visual standpoint, the E92 and other designs were inspired by Frank Gheri's work. Some of the aftermarket body kits and other kind of mods clash with the aesthetic. I guess the same could be said for how one interprets status in relation to driving a BMW. It speaks a lot about the character of a person by how they interpret their car.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 15, 2013, 12:36 pm

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I did that once. You smiled, said hi, and then I think you told your son "don't grow up to be like him"
LOL. No. I was too busy staring at your ex.

BJ
MacManVA commented:
April 15, 2013, 12:50 pm

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Originally Posted by hokiexdriver View Post
in northern virginia, bmws are as common as cockroaches. Nobody gives a crap. You have to be in a ferrari before anyone even notices you are driving something different. The parking lot at my office has at least 8 bmws that i know of, including an alpina b7. On the lot on the other side is a red ferrari - now that i notice. I have seen several tesla s around.
+1
furby076 commented:
April 15, 2013, 1:30 pm

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LOL. No. I was too busy staring at your ex.

BJ
Well I do declare, you certainly know how to make a man blush
akaMomo commented:
April 15, 2013, 1:49 pm

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Yes, the 3 is the Civic of LA, although it is a little bigger now. And while people are generally not impressed by BMWs, they often suspect the drivers of BMWs seek hard to impress, especially if the ones who look like punks. So it is the worse of both worlds in that sense: they don't impress yet some people think you are trying to impress. Translation, they may assume you are a douche who is trying too hard.
+1. I love by BMW cap but getting out of a new M-Sport with it on and I'm convinced I'm squarely in that demo. Its back at home (the cap, not the car).
jjcruiser commented:
April 15, 2013, 1:58 pm

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Originally Posted by DDGator View Post
Buying a "luxury" car does get a certain reaction from some people in your life.

It's funny how people can buy a $40k mini-van or SUV and its considered normal. But by a $45k BMW and all of a sudden people think you are rich, or living above your means or something.
Sorry to return to the thread so late, but this is too good a point not to emphasize. I get this pushback from people and am glad someone else has articulated the silliness of it.
Jugghaid commented:
April 15, 2013, 2:01 pm

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Sorry to return to the thread so late, but this is too good a point not to emphasize. I get this pushback from people and am glad someone else has articulated the silliness of it.
And it's very true. the MSRP on my ford F-150 was higher than my BMW.
Chris90 commented:
April 15, 2013, 2:10 pm

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Sorry to return to the thread so late, but this is too good a point not to emphasize. I get this pushback from people and am glad someone else has articulated the silliness of it.
Yeah, I never understand that. Maybe there's people who have the same reaction when they see a $45k SUV or pickup truck, I don't know, but around here you'll look more rich showing up in an old 3 series than a new $45k SUV.

Minivans are mostly like $30k, to get to $40k you have to buy the top of the line with 18" LCDs and crap. Talk about luxury.

My guess is people justify SUVs, minivans etc by saying "I have kids" or "I need to haul lumber once a year" - but can't find a good justification for your luxury car.

But that's BS, you don't need a $45k truck to haul lumber.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 15, 2013, 2:12 pm

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Originally Posted by jjcruiser View Post
Sorry to return to the thread so late, but this is too good a point not to emphasize. I get this pushback from people and am glad someone else has articulated the silliness of it.
Very true.

If my Roadster were stock, it would just be a used $15k 15 year old car.

There is this miserable woman at work that I do not have any need to associate with.

I had my car two years before I started there, but began bringing it for the summer.

She saw me pull up and said to another co-worker, "Oh what an idiot, he blew all his money on that, for what, to impress AJ?" AJ is the president, big car guy with Lambos and Rolls etc.

My co-worker explained to her that I had the car years before I started working there. Her reply, "I know him, he would totally do something like that". Lol, knows me, 5 words had been exchanged between us over the past two years.

So she saw my car, assumed I made a large impulse buy in hopes of impressing my boss who has 2.5mill in cars.

The best part? She drives a $49k Ford Excursion worth quite a bit more than my car(which is insured for $35k only because of whats invested in modifications).

Gotta love perception.
Chris90 commented:
April 15, 2013, 2:13 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
In fact, I live in one of the wealthiest counties in the country and I've never seen a young girl behind the wheel of a new 3 Series ever, and I see 25+ of them every day and I'm looking at their drivers every day. I'm always looking into the windows of every BMW on the road, just waiting for some 30 year old cool guy to shoot me that knowing glance, that "Hey, nice car, you on Bimmerfest?" look. At this point, must have stared into the windows and windshield of 10,000 F30's and E90's and E93's and E92's in the last two years alone and every time I do it's always some balding pudgy male executive or some wrinkle eyed female librarian, they're all 50, they're all driving normally.

BJ
My experience too, E90 or F30 328 drivers are typically middle aged females, sometimes dudes. Never see a hot 18 year old girl driving them. Anecdotal maybe but there it is.
jjcruiser commented:
April 15, 2013, 2:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Chris90 View Post
My experience too, E90 or F30 328 drivers are typically middle aged females, sometimes dudes. Never see a hot 18 year old girl driving them. Anecdotal maybe but there it is.
Going to college in SoCal, "hot 18 year old girl" was the primary driver of 3 series. Not sure if that's still true though.
beden1 commented:
April 15, 2013, 2:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Chris90 View Post
My experience too, E90 or F30 328 drivers are typically middle aged females, sometimes dudes. Never see a hot 18 year old girl driving them. Anecdotal maybe but there it is.
There are quite a number of 3 series BMWs driven by high school age females in my town. There were two new M3s (one sedan and one convertible) that were driven by female HS students when my kids were still in HS.

Many parents in our town try to set the bar or keep up with the Jonses like it's their mission in life.
beden1 commented:
April 15, 2013, 2:21 pm

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
Very true.

If my Roadster were stock, it would just be a used $15k 15 year old car.

Gotta love perception.
Since it's not stock, it's probably worth less.
Chris90 commented:
April 15, 2013, 2:21 pm

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Originally Posted by jjcruiser View Post
Going to college in SoCal, "hot 18 year old girl" was the primary driver of 3 series. Not sure if that's still true though.
There are pockets of this of course, Boston is like that near Boston Univ.

But it's not the real world or representative of most of America.
jjcruiser commented:
April 15, 2013, 2:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Chris90 View Post
Yeah, I never understand that. Maybe there's people who have the same reaction when they see a $45k SUV or pickup truck, I don't know, but around here you'll look more rich showing up in an old 3 series than a new $45k SUV.
In fairness, this applies to people who don't know cars--I suspect most "car people" get it. I see someone rolling into church in a new Audi Q7 and know instantly they dropped way more money on their car than the guy in his new-used M3. But it's all perception.
trinipirate commented:
April 15, 2013, 3:37 pm

Depends.. I'm black and 26. Certain people stare, but I love it. Some friends think I'm rich all of a sudden. Grown men in basic cars look at me w/ envy.

I'm not a racer but I've been tried on the highway and embarrassed a kid in an old "hooked up" E36 and a guy in a G35. I was never tried in my Volvo S40.

I park far as hell and don't care how ppl would view me. One time when I got back to my car after work I saw a lady parked extremely close to me with her daughter in the passenger side playing and eating fries waiting for her kid who was playing in the field across the way. She chose that spot on purpose and didn't offer to move knowing she was damn close to my car. I squeezed in without hitting her door w/ mine, backed out and checked for scratches before I took off. If I'm a douche so be it.

When on the road I respect other bimmers and give them cuts etc. Although I see an older white lady in her's a couple times. I noticed her car a mile away being obsessed w/ F30s and all. When we drove past each other she was crouched up on her dash and didn't even look my way. I found that funny.
beden1 commented:
April 15, 2013, 3:51 pm

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Originally Posted by trinipirate View Post
Depends.. I'm black and 26. Certain people stare, but I love it. Some friends think I'm rich all of a sudden. Grown men in basic cars look at me w/ envy.

I'm not a racer but I've been tried on the highway and embarrassed a kid in an old "hooked up" E36 and a guy in a G35. I was never tried in my Volvo S40.

I park far as hell and don't care how ppl would view me. One time when I got back to my car after work I saw a lady parked extremely close to me with her daughter in the passenger side playing and eating fries waiting for her kid who was playing in the field across the way. She chose that spot on purpose and didn't offer to move knowing she was damn close to my car. I squeezed in without hitting her door w/ mine, backed out and checked for scratches before I took off. If I'm a douche so be it.

When on the road I respect other bimmers and give them cuts etc. Although I see an older white lady in her's a couple times. I noticed her car a mile away being obsessed w/ F30s and all. When we drove past each other she was crouched up on her dash and didn't even look my way. I found that funny.
You have more constraint than I do. I would have knocked on the woman's driver side window and told her what I thought of her parking choices while encouraging her to find another spot.
jjcruiser commented:
April 15, 2013, 4:39 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
You have more constraint than I do. I would have knocked on the woman's driver side window and told her what I thought of her parking choices while encouraging her to find another spot.
Hm, not to derail this into another kind of social commentary, but I have had too many black friends tell me too many uncomfortable police stories to think that would have been a good idea.
furby076 commented:
April 15, 2013, 4:42 pm

I was once standing waiting for a parking spot. had turn signal on. Person gets out of the spot, but the way he got out I had to wait for him to completely drive off before turning in. Woman drives up and goes right into it. I stick my head out the window yelling at her "what are you doing? I was standing here waiting for that". She just walked off and went to the police man at the mall entrance. Sometimes people deserve what they get (she deserved a sucker punch to the face). Unfortunately our society would punish the puncher.
sr5959 commented:
April 15, 2013, 6:19 pm

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
I was once standing waiting for a parking spot. had turn signal on. Person gets out of the spot, but the way he got out I had to wait for him to completely drive off before turning in. Woman drives up and goes right into it. I stick my head out the window yelling at her "what are you doing? I was standing here waiting for that". She just walked off and went to the police man at the mall entrance. Sometimes people deserve what they get (she deserved a sucker punch to the face). Unfortunately our society would punish the puncher.
Yes, middle-aged women in parking lots...
Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 15, 2013, 6:43 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
Since it's not stock, it's probably worth less.
Thanks for the sage advice lol.

Mods typically do not add value. But the right ones like REAL BBS wheels and Dinan blower bring far more money when transactions take place between enthusiasts. Would not exactly plan on trading the car in and hope to bring more value lol.

It's not for sale. I was offered $25k cash two months ago, that's $10k over book value.

Problem is, $25k does not buy any car I would want to replace it with
suneil commented:
April 15, 2013, 6:54 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
There are quite a number of 3 series BMWs driven by high school age females in my town. There were two new M3s (one sedan and one convertible) that were driven by female HS students when my kids were still in HS.

Many parents in our town try to set the bar or keep up with the Jonses like it's their mission in life.
probably alllllll leases...
boltjaM3s commented:
April 15, 2013, 7:03 pm

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Originally Posted by suneil View Post
probably alllllll leases...
What does that have to do with anything?

Leasing is just a more expensive form of financing than purchasing.

BJ
suneil commented:
April 15, 2013, 7:06 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
What does that have to do with anything?

Leasing is just a more expensive form of financing than purchasing.

BJ
Exactly...all these rich little girls running around with their daddies money...
beden1 commented:
April 15, 2013, 7:19 pm

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Originally Posted by suneil View Post
Exactly...all these rich little girls running around with their daddies money...
That's the American Dream. It must suck to be you!
-=Hot|Ice=- commented:
April 15, 2013, 7:56 pm

You should see people's reactions when my mom drives my car. O man!
beden1 commented:
April 15, 2013, 8:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
Thanks for the sage advice lol.

Mods typically do not add value. But the right ones like REAL BBS wheels and Dinan blower bring far more money when transactions take place between enthusiasts. Would not exactly plan on trading the car in and hope to bring more value lol.

It's not for sale. I was offered $25k cash two months ago, that's $10k over book value.

Problem is, $25k does not buy any car I would want to replace it with
It's just that many people would be hesitant because they would think the car has been beat on with your performance mods. That usually works against resale value.
TacticalBassist commented:
April 15, 2013, 8:07 pm

I've only been driving mine for four days, and people have been rude. I've been cut off, honked at when I stalled (second day driving stick), passed then cut off even while going 5-10 over... heck, on my way home from the gym today, some woman in a Jeep pulled out in front of me and made me slam on the brakes.

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TacticalBassist commented:
April 15, 2013, 8:13 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
There are quite a number of 3 series BMWs driven by high school age females in my town. There were two new M3s (one sedan and one convertible) that were driven by female HS students when my kids were still in HS.

Many parents in our town try to set the bar or keep up with the Jonses like it's their mission in life.
You think that's bad... when I went to pick my little sister up from her school I saw a 10th grader get into a brand new 7series. :thumbdown: parents these days.

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Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 15, 2013, 8:28 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
It's just that many people would be hesitant because they would think the car has been beat on with your performance mods. That usually works against resale value.
Very true. Each car I buy and sell, it's a different situation. I sold my CC bone stock after selling off all the modifications, that time I actually wound up coming out way ahead. My Viggen sold well too, modifications like the added LSD were a HUGE plus to the right buyer and it sold to a Saab forum member. When stock Viggen's sold for $5-8k, mine sold for $15k due to condition, modifications and provenance. But then other cars, more standard cars, I have sold BONE stock.

But the M Coupes and Roadsters are kind of a tight nit bunch, the cars are often sold to other nutjobs within the community. Not the kind of car sale where you are trying to appeal to a more general car buyer. They do not associate mods with being beaten, care more about maintenance. My car is modded, but it has 78k on the original clutch, brakes, and headgasket. That says something right there.

My M is one of those rare instances where the mods are rewarded in the community. For example, the rear subframes rip from the cars, BMW would help some owners, but it was a half ass'd repair that would fail again. My car came with a multi-thousand dollar MrMCar subframe reinforcement(Randy Forbes is the other guru). Anyone who knows these cars, you put a car with this UPGRADE up against a stock car, and it's a no brainer which one you choose.

So yeah, bought and sold about 40 cars over the years, some for me, many for relatives and friends. I have a pretty good track record and know how to sell a car and where to sell one
krash commented:
April 15, 2013, 8:35 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
I'm a Senior VP and I'm not buying my daughter a $50,000 German luxury car for her birthday.

BJ
Ha Ha. I'm an SVP too. I bought my daughter a 2004 beat up Nissan Altima. For good reason. Yesterday, she opened up one of the back doors, and I noticed there are 3 or 4 donuts on the floor. I asked her how long they've been there. She said, a couple weeks, and then she wonders why I won't buy her a BMW.

Not to mention the fact that I'm putting her through college, and all that comes directly out of my wallet. No scholorships or anything. Plus, she didn't want to go to a state school -- so that'll cost me about $200 thousand right there...
mr29 commented:
April 15, 2013, 8:35 pm

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Originally Posted by jjcruiser View Post
Hm, not to derail this into another kind of social commentary, but I have had too many black friends tell me too many uncomfortable police stories to think that would have been a good idea.
yea i was getting ready to say this
boltjaM3s commented:
April 15, 2013, 9:09 pm

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Originally Posted by suneil View Post
Exactly...all these rich little girls running around with their daddies money...
Steady there. My son needs one of those in a few years.

BJ
boltjaM3s commented:
April 15, 2013, 9:12 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
Ha Ha. I'm an SVP too. I bought my daughter a 2004 beat up Nissan Altima. For good reason. Yesterday, she opened up one of the back doors, and I noticed there are 3 or 4 donuts on the floor. I asked her how long they've been there. She said, a couple weeks, and then she wonders why I won't buy her a BMW.

Not to mention the fact that I'm putting her through college, and all that comes directly out of my wallet. No scholorships or anything. Plus, she didn't want to go to a state school -- so that'll cost me about $200 thousand right there...
Precisely why my son gets an E46 ZHP. Let him crap all over that junker, no worries for me.

Should we do an SVP meetup?

BJ
LarryboysUDM commented:
April 15, 2013, 10:26 pm

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So far from my experience, they have been neutral to negative (regarding random people on the street). Majority of the time I just see people staring. However, some times they are just rude.

For example, when driving, they will not let you into a lane, tailgate, beep their horns for the most random reason, etc. Park your car in a nearly empty parking lot away from everybody else...you come back, and somebody parks right next to you, making it difficult to open your door.

It might stem from jealousy or previous experiences with BMW owners. For example, some idiot kids that drive used bmws leaning back in their cars blasting music, showing off, thinking they've made it in life lol . I can see why it might rub people the wrong way.

For the most part I don't mention at all the car I drive and where I live but when some old(or new) friends want to meet up and they see me pulling up in the BMW, or even see my house for the first time, they normally ask all kinds of questions and are genuinely interested, and have no negative feelings. It seems to be a whole different story for strangers.

You guys?
I've gotten around 3 "nice car sir" comments but haven't received any rude acts yet. I waited 20 years to buy a BMW and get in on the action of the ultimate driving machine. For the most part I'm impressed except for the brake squeak and needing 1 quart of oil at every 6K to 7K miles. I hate showing off so I do what I can to not talk about it. I leave people alone with what they drive and I expect the same in return.

Update 18 Apr: My wife had the car today and after lunch someone put a gum on the hood.
kmorgan_260 commented:
April 15, 2013, 10:33 pm

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
Honestly, the most aggressive drivers here in Northern Virginia drive minivans. Especially Toyota minivans - no idea what the model is. Are they just angry because they have to drive around in a mommy wagon? What's the deal there?
Most of the aggressive drivers I see are in pickup trucks. As for BMWs being exclusive, I agree they are not any more. You will pay more for a large SUV (Toyota, Honda, Ford, etc.) than you will for a 3 series.

And as for people targeting BMW drivers for harassment, I have never heard of that before. Maybe the OP is driving aggressively or doing something else to attract the attention.
JoeFromPA commented:
April 15, 2013, 10:58 pm

Never had a negative experience thus far. Closest thing is that my family thinks these cars are expensive when they really aren't. Aside from that, no road rage, no getting cut off..

And I don't drive your average BMW either. Mine is rip-snortin and driven accordingly.
chiefneil commented:
April 15, 2013, 11:06 pm

This reminds me of when I bought my very first BMW, a 1995 325i. I took my wife out to a new restaurant and it turned out we had the crappiest car in the parking lot by a looong shot. RR in front of me at the valet, and convertible Bentley behind me.

Any negative was probably the opposite of the usual thing, in this case valets sneering at my POS BMW.

Dinner was awesome though.
PFol310 commented:
April 15, 2013, 11:11 pm

Haven't even taken delivery of mine and I've been getting flack.

People saying I shouldn't be getting a BMW, how can you afford it, your not a BMW guy, etc..

I don't know if its jealousy or what but its getting old and it's still on the boat
TacticalBassist commented:
April 15, 2013, 11:14 pm

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Originally Posted by kmorgan_260 View Post
Most of the aggressive drivers I see are in pickup trucks.
SO TRUE. I used to drive a 2005 Toyota Tundra. I probably drove like a d-bag, so I'm probably just getting treated as I deserve. Being in a sedan with a manual transmission sure has given me a different perspective on driving.
JoeFromPA commented:
April 15, 2013, 11:20 pm

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Originally Posted by PFol310 View Post
Haven't even taken delivery of mine and I've been getting flack.

People saying I shouldn't be getting a BMW, how can you afford it, your not a BMW guy, etc..

I don't know if its jealousy or what but its getting old and it's still on the boat
Went out with my brother for his 40th birthday and a bunch of his blue collar friends the other day. Friends were talking about how much they've invested in their jeep wranglers and giving me a little flak for being a BMW guy.

I sat there and said with total sincerity that, including purchase prices, those guys had spent more on their wranglers then I've spent on my m5.

I don't think they liked that.
Red Lined commented:
April 15, 2013, 11:44 pm

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Originally Posted by krash View Post
Not to mention the fact that I'm putting her through college, and all that comes directly out of my wallet. No scholorships or anything. Plus, she didn't want to go to a state school -- so that'll cost me about $200 thousand right there...
You may want to be careful about spending that much money on undergrad for her. I was fortunate to get into some pretty darn good undergrads back in the day including Brown, Duke, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell and few more. None of those schools offered me anything and my parents refused to pay 50k a year for undergrad. Long story short, I went to a good (non Ivy) school that offered me a full tuition scholarship (which still ranks in the top 40 on US News) and decided to go into medicine. They are now paying for my medical school which is also 250k. If your daughter wants to go to graduate school, you should prob. advise her to go the cheaper route.

She'll need to destroy the entrance exam (MCAT, LSAT, GMAT, etc.) to get on level grounds with the kids who went to Harvard, Yale, etc. but it is possible. I prob would have ended up in the same exact position I am now if I went to say Columbia, for example. Especially, for medical school which places a very high value on your GPA, MCAT, and research/leadership. If you are smart enough to get into the elite schools once, you'll always be on that level.

Also, where you go for graduate school matters much more than ugrad (unless you don't plan on going to grad school?).

Honestly, if you were smart you would really would push her toward your state school. Competition will be lower than say that at MIT. She'll wreck her courses, and get a high GPA. The single most important aspect is the MCAT, LSAT, etc. Those scores differentiate the applicants. The more time she can spend on those tests the better off she will be (these scores determine your "worth" to admissions people [ala SAT]).
dwlink commented:
April 16, 2013, 12:16 am

$200k for an undergrad?!?! You could get through a good portion of med school with that. If you are going to a $200k undergrad college (assuming you get in), I would think you'd have enough wit to earn at least a few scholarships.

Anyways, had a 328 blk/blk sport line loaner today while my car had its annual state inspection. Didn't really draw too much attention other than a bunch of people at a starbucks who I noticed were staring at it through the window. Still can't get over the ugly halogen lights on the 328.
scarboy6693 commented:
April 16, 2013, 1:56 am

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Still can't get over the ugly halogen lights on the 328.
That Plus the mediocre output was exactly why I wouldn't even consider a 3 series w/o the Lighting pack
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 9:02 am

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Originally Posted by TacticalBassist View Post
You think that's bad... when I went to pick my little sister up from her school I saw a 10th grader get into a brand new 7series. :thumbdown: parents these days.

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Maybe borrowing mom/dads car?

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
Steady there. My son needs one of those in a few years.

BJ
When I have children, I will love them to no end. I really hope to not have a girl. That would be gods way of punishing me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeFromPA View Post
Never had a negative experience thus far. Closest thing is that my family thinks these cars are expensive when they really aren't. Aside from that, no road rage, no getting cut off..

And I don't drive your average BMW either. Mine is rip-snortin and driven accordingly.
BMW approx $50k. That's an expensive car compared to Maxima, Hyandai sonata, etc. Again, maybe for you it isn't, but for most $50k is out of reach or an irresponsible spend.

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Originally Posted by Red Lined View Post
You may want to be careful about spending that much money on undergrad for her.
Agreed.
I've heard the same story year over year - don't spend the big bucks on undergrad, save that for grad school. People went to University of Penn business school for undergrad...big whoop. People went to University of Penn business school for g rad...now that's a big deal (Wharton).

Also, if your kid isn't going to major in math, sciences, some other tech field, MBA, med school then you definitely don't want to send them to ivy league. I dated a girl who went to NYU for teaching. Racked up over 100k in student loans (don't recall the exact amount, but imagine 4 years at NYU plus interest). Guess what, she makes about 30k/year. For her to pay that off she needs to either 1) Marry rich or 2) win the lottery. Did she really need to go to NYU for teaching? No.

Another thing - if your kids do get loans, make sure they pay off the interest. My fiancee' parents made her pay off the interest while she was in school (they helped). Her student loans are80k. Fellow doctors, who graduated with her, are still looking at 200k in loans - for the same schooling. The difference -> she and her parents were paying off the interest
captainaudio commented:
April 16, 2013, 9:17 am

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BMW approx $50k. That's an expensive car compared to Maxima, Hyandai sonata, etc. Again, maybe for you it isn't, but for most $50k is out of reach or an irresponsible spend.

Average price of a new car in the US is currently around $31,000 which is just below where BMW pricing starts. So although most BMWs sell for more, and in many cases a lot more, than $31,000 the base car is not out of reach for a lot of new car buyers and the base model is hardly a "stripper".
Chris90 commented:
April 16, 2013, 9:38 am

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Precisely why my son gets an E46 ZHP. Let him crap all over that junker, no worries for me.

BJ
Mine too, though he's 2 right now, so not sure the car will hold up til then.
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 9:42 am

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Average price of a new car in the US is currently around $31,000 which is just below where BMW pricing starts. So although most BMWs sell for more, and in many cases a lot more, than $31,000 the base car is not out of reach for a lot of new car buyers and the base model is hardly a "stripper".
What BMW car is 31,000 other then the 320d, which just came out so not everyone is familiar with?

Also a stripped down BMW vs a fully loaded something else is hardly a good comparison. Adding cost as "low" 5000-10000 can mean the difference between someone being able to afford a car and not being able to afford a car

Oh wait, stripped down 128i At pure invoice, that's $30,130 completely strip, pre-tax/title and any dealer profit
boltjaM3s commented:
April 16, 2013, 9:54 am

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Went out with my brother for his 40th birthday and a bunch of his blue collar friends the other day.
Did you get a tetanus shot first?

BJ
captainaudio commented:
April 16, 2013, 10:07 am

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What BMW car is 31,000 other then the 320d, which just came out so not everyone is familiar with?

Also a stripped down BMW vs a fully loaded something else is hardly a good comparison. Adding cost as "low" 5000-10000 can mean the difference between someone being able to afford a car and not being able to afford a car

Oh wait, stripped down 128i At pure invoice, that's $30,130 completely strip, pre-tax/title and any dealer profit
I said that the average price of a new car in the US is about $31,000. If 31.000 is the average price that would mean that a significant numbers of cars that are sold are being sold for more than $31.000.

I also said that $31,000 was just below where BMW pricing begins.

I said nothing about comparing a fully loaded something.

According to the BMWUSA web site MSRP plus destination and handling on a 320i is $33,445 which would make it approximate 8% more expensive than the average price of a new car.

MSRP plus destination and handling on a 328 is $38,295 which would make it about 23% more expensive that the average price of a new car,

Both these prices are for the base model with no discount so it is possible to pay less.

So obviously all BMWs cost more than the average car and most BMWs cost a lot more than the average car but there are BMWs available for under $34,000 (MSRP) and they are very good cars even if they are not loaded with all of the available technology.

CA
3ismagic# commented:
April 16, 2013, 10:20 am

As someone who has lived amongst some of the world's poorest (rural Malawi) and most affluent people I should point out that status symbols like all symbols have meanings that are completely context dependent.

For example, for a while I lived in one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the US. Just off of Brattle in Harvard Square by the Episcopal Divinity school and Ratcliffe. We're talking serious old money Brahmans. 7-8 generation Harvard families who spent $40k a year to put their kid in kindergarten and whose family names adorn many of the buildings at a certain world famous university down the way. The retired Harvard med school professor who lived next door to me lived in Longfellow's former carriage house. 800 sgft 2 bedrooms and about 3 million bucks. John Malkovich was a neighbor.

THE ultimate status symbol in that neighborhood was a 5-8 year old Volvo station wagon with multiple city of cambridge parking permit stickers on the rear window.
3ismagic# commented:
April 16, 2013, 10:38 am

I almost never have negative interactions.

My favorite was when I was filling up and this towny in an enormous dodge ram truck looked at me bemused and asked me if I was aware that I was ruining my "beemer" by putting diesel in it.

I told him that it was no problem as it's a diesel. His mind was blown. He spent the next 5 minutes quizzing me about it. We high-fived and went our separate ways.
Chris90 commented:
April 16, 2013, 11:47 am

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Originally Posted by 3ismagic# View Post
As someone who has lived amongst some of the world's poorest (rural Malawi) and most affluent people I should point out that status symbols like all symbols have meanings that are completely context dependent.

For example, for a while I lived in one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the US. Just off of Brattle in Harvard Square by the Episcopal Divinity school and Ratcliffe. We're talking serious old money Brahmans. 7-8 generation Harvard families who spent $40k a year to put their kid in kindergarten and whose family names adorn many of the buildings at a certain world famous university down the way. The retired Harvard med school professor who lived next door to me lived in Longfellow's former carriage house. 800 sgft 2 bedrooms and about 3 million bucks. John Malkovich was a neighbor.

THE ultimate status symbol in that neighborhood was a 5-8 year old Volvo station wagon with multiple city of cambridge parking permit stickers on the rear window.
I dated a girl once just to get her Cambridge parking permit. Well, not really, but it was a nice side benefit.
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 11:48 am

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THE ultimate status symbol in that neighborhood was a 5-8 year old Volvo station wagon with multiple city of cambridge parking permit stickers on the rear window.
I see that in philly. Lots of local residents, with parking permits, leave them on the window year after year. It looks like a master sergeant in the military with a ton of stripes. I dislike stickers as they ruin defroster lines.
captainaudio commented:
April 16, 2013, 12:29 pm

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I see that in philly. Lots of local residents, with parking permits, leave them on the window year after year. It looks like a master sergeant in the military with a ton of stripes. I dislike stickers as they ruin defroster lines.
If you want a high status sticker for your new car you will need one of these:

sr5959 commented:
April 16, 2013, 12:44 pm

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Originally Posted by 3ismagic# View Post
As someone who has lived amongst some of the world's poorest (rural Malawi) and most affluent people I should point out that status symbols like all symbols have meanings that are completely context dependent.

For example, for a while I lived in one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the US. Just off of Brattle in Harvard Square by the Episcopal Divinity school and Ratcliffe. We're talking serious old money Brahmans. 7-8 generation Harvard families who spent $40k a year to put their kid in kindergarten and whose family names adorn many of the buildings at a certain world famous university down the way. The retired Harvard med school professor who lived next door to me lived in Longfellow's former carriage house. 800 sgft 2 bedrooms and about 3 million bucks. John Malkovich was a neighbor.

THE ultimate status symbol in that neighborhood was a 5-8 year old Volvo station wagon with multiple city of cambridge parking permit stickers on the rear window.
Yes I've also noticed that the very rich tend not to see status in cars. We recently stayed in London with my friend in his apartment which is probably worth $30m. He has a 15 year old S Class which he barely uses as he just prefers to use taxis or tube train...one day walking back to his place through a tiny alley we passed a Bugatti Veyron parked like it was nothing!
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 12:45 pm

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If you want a high status sticker for your nw car you will need one of these:

Static Sticker.

Aren't we going with roman numerals?

EDIT: That car is full of e90s...ewwww
edx1 commented:
April 16, 2013, 12:59 pm

Only a few people know I'm getting a bmw shortly, even though it's been almost a year in planning. To be honest, I'm a little uncertain how it will play out but knowing how my friends react isn't as untested any more. I've been driving a Toyota Matrix (Corolla hatch back) for 11 years. It was what I could pay cash for (Something I wanted to do to get ahead in life), even though I bought it via a loan, and primarily fit my needs rather than want, as wants were being able to haul a few things and it was new. I've enjoyed being left alone on the roads but driving a 130hp non looker car will do that.

Since I was 15 I worked all summers and week nights, missing out on fun moments with friends at times, and in IT rather than telemarketing or fast food jobs like my friends. When I was 26 I designed and had a 6000sqft home built (actually during the peak of home costs), fully automated, theater and all -- it was my dream home I had been saving for. When I moved in I threw a party for 6 of my friends who were willing to drive out. After that night 3 of my friends never spoke to me again. I heard from the others that they felt I didn't deserved the home. A husband and wife had been really struggling as the husband had just finished getting his MBA, though his school and their cars were paid for by his father, and he had just started a low paying job in the finance market. The other has some depression issues and I wonder if the shock that I had always been frugal but suddenly had something nice made him feel like I hadn't been fair to him.

I've learned that having things others want and can't have causes extra problems with some types of people, even if you were good friends. I've since heard the proverb "Jealousy knows no loyalty" and it's a sad truth.

I hope I don't get cut off or not allowed to merge because of my car brand alone, but if I were to deserve it for some reason then so be it. I hope my car is never vandalized. I've worked hard and I'd be really disheartened if someone keyed my car or dented it, especially it if they did it because of absurd reason like I decided to park it safely away from other cars. I didn't buy a bmw for the name either. I looked for 3 years for an awd car that handled like a smaller peppy yet nimble car but was safer in build quality and had power that I sacrificed for previously. The X1 happened to fit what I wanted as it's the only crossover/hatch with power and good handling on the market.

If I see someone driving by in a 3 series, B7, Porsche, or Veyron I'll enjoy seeing it and I have respect, not jealously, that they were to be able to afford it. If they're driving aggressively I'll move over and let them have their fun, besides they're in a car designed for it.

Because of where I live, many people aren't open to (and often look down and segregate from) others having different views on life than them and this even includes vehicle choice. I personally know many minvan and suv drivers who think there should be no performance cars on the road because they're not an ideal expense for a family and dangerous. X3's and X5's are fine but a M, Z series or coupe aren't..
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 1:17 pm

Sweet deal on building your own home, though sucks about the timing (nothing can really be done about that). Don't worry about your ex-friends - they all come and go. You now have a sweat sugar shack! Enjoy it, and enjoy the new ride. Use the car to pick up the girls at the bars, and use your home to do the rest
TacticalBassist commented:
April 16, 2013, 1:19 pm

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Maybe borrowing mom/dads car?
According to my sister, it's the girl's car. Her parents are both doctors.
FreddyG commented:
April 16, 2013, 1:34 pm

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Originally Posted by sr5959 View Post
Yes I've also noticed that the very rich tend not to see status in cars. We recently stayed in London with my friend in his apartment which is probably worth $30m. He has a 15 year old S Class which he barely uses as he just prefers to use taxis or tube train...one day walking back to his place through a tiny alley we passed a Bugatti Veyron parked like it was nothing!
Your friend sounds like he has a Very Nice place. Some parts of London are amongst the highest priced real estate in the world. He must be in one of those places. Congrats to him on his success!

Very rich people got that way by not spending their money on cars and stuff like that. The Realllllly rich people that I know, told me that a car is just means of transportation and that why should they spend a ton of money on something that's just going to depreciate quicker than your money can earn? This was told to me by someone worth north of $400 mil that still drives his 2003 Mercedes S Class (which he bought used).

A better example is Warren Buffett (one of the richest men in the world and runs Berkshire Hathaway amongst other thriving businesses). He bought himself a used Cadillac and still lives in the same house that he's had for 30+ years. He's not only Extremely smart with his money, but thrifty too.

Sorry for the rant off topic, and now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Capobranco commented:
April 16, 2013, 2:10 pm

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.....

Very rich people got that way by not spending their money on cars and stuff like that. The Realllllly rich people that I know, told me that a car is just means of transportation and that why should they spend a ton of money on something that's just going to depreciate quicker than your money can earn? .....
Not really, I know many rich people. and some very rich people. You might be surprised at the number who inherited their wealth - a lot. In general, most guys I know who are really passionate about cars do not get too worked up over depreciation - that's just part of the price to play.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 16, 2013, 2:48 pm

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EDIT: That car is full of e90s...ewwww
+1

Also, the 'fills' in open letters like "B" and "O" are a different shade of blue from the navy that surrounds them. Amateur hour. Give this logo project to someone with mad Photoshop skills already.

BJ
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 2:59 pm

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Originally Posted by TacticalBassist View Post
According to my sister, it's the girl's car. Her parents are both doctors.
Good for her. Wish my parents could afford to buy me a 7 series. My first car was a hand-me-down from my dad. It was a 1983 Corolla St Croix edition. I got it from my dad, in 1994. Faded paint, stained cloth seats. I think the pull-out radio my dad put in it was worth more then the car. It wasn't because my parents were frugal, or tried to teach me better, they just didn't have a ton of money. The thing is, I was still the envy of my friends - those that didn't have any car Not all spoiled kids are rotten. Not all "well raised" kids are good. Even in the same family, two brothers can be complete opposites. My brother and me are as different as night and day. We don't look alike, act alike, and are at different statuses of the economic scale. We were both raised by the same parents. Sometimes nature goes up to nurture and dropkicks it in the face, following up with a DDT, atomic leg drop and then flying clothesline twisting into a sleeper hold just cause it can

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Your friend sounds like he has a Very Nice place. Some parts of London are amongst the highest priced real estate in the world. He must be in one of those places. Congrats to him on his success!

Very rich people got that way by not spending their money on cars and stuff like that. The Realllllly rich people that I know, told me that a car is just means of transportation and that why should they spend a ton of money on something that's just going to depreciate quicker than your money can earn? This was told to me by someone worth north of $400 mil that still drives his 2003 Mercedes S Class (which he bought used).

A better example is Warren Buffett (one of the richest men in the world and runs Berkshire Hathaway amongst other thriving businesses). He bought himself a used Cadillac and still lives in the same house that he's had for 30+ years. He's not only Extremely smart with his money, but thrifty too.

Sorry for the rant off topic, and now back to our regularly scheduled program.
I would have to disagree a bit here. As another post has said, not all created their wealth - some inherited it. Not all are into flash but on the opposite not all are into being conservative. Justin Bieber earned his money and the kid drives a lambo (so would I). Paris Hilton inherited her money and is trash. I don't know how Warren Buffet lives, but I'm sure he has multiple homes, a private jet (uber rich mans status symbol) and his house that he lived for 30+ years is probably a multi-million dollar house in some amazing place to live area.
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+1

Also, the 'fills' in open letters like "B" and "O" are a different shade of blue from the navy that surrounds them. Amateur hour. Give this logo project to someone with mad Photoshop skills already.

BJ
I like CA's work. I think, however, you should take a stab at it. Especially since you will be there. You might as well have a good badge slapped on your car
boltjaM3s commented:
April 16, 2013, 3:01 pm

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Originally Posted by edx1 View Post

When I was 26 I designed and had a 6000sqft home built (actually during the peak of home costs), fully automated, theater and all -- it was my dream home I had been saving for. When I moved in I threw a party for 6 of my friends who were willing to drive out. After that night 3 of my friends never spoke to me again. I heard from the others that they felt I didn't deserved the home.
You've got new friends now, welcome aboard.

My brother-in-law won't talk to my wife or I because he Googled us and found our salaries and was flabbergasted by what we make. Somehow, all the years he goofed-off in his 20's and 30's while we were busting our asses is forgotten now, somehow we are 'lucky' and he is 'smarter than the both of us' and he can't bear to see us seeing that he makes 1/10 of what we do.

You worked hard. Never be ashamed of what you accomplished. Don't throw your wealth in anyone's face, but by the same token don't let anyone throw their poverty in yours. As you get older and marry and have kids, you'll make a ton of new friends and they'll be in your social and financial state and that obstacle will vanish.

Congrats on having your head on straight and the new car.

BJ
boltjaM3s commented:
April 16, 2013, 3:09 pm

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I like CA's work. I think, however, you should take a stab at it. Especially since you will be there. You might as well have a good badge slapped on your car
Oops. Didn't realize CA did it.

Since this will be the first appearance of the F30 at this event, I think it should be noted on the logo. It's a momentous occasion, F30's will make appearances through 2032 and there won't be as important a C2C introduction again until 2019.

BJ
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 3:17 pm

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As you get older and marry and have kids, you'll make a ton of new friends and they'll be in your social and financial state and that obstacle will vanish.

BJ
True story. I know a couple who have good friends (one of their closest). They have completely different economic situations. When they go out the wealthier couple have to make sure they take into consideration their friends and make reservations at places that are not above their friends means. It can be challenging - but true friends are cognizant of that and make sure that nobody is put into a compromising position or made to feel bad.

A former friend of mine dated this girl. He made three times what she made (he never did thank me for getting him a job that tripled his salary). He would always want to do expensive things (travel a lot, lavish dinners, buy expensive stuff, etc) and he would get upset when his g/f would be responsible and say "I can't do that because I can't afford it". She didn't want him to pay for it, but she also wasn't going to whip out the credit card. Her response was "go have fun, but i can't go". That was not acceptable to him. Suffice it to say, it was one of the reasons they broke up (another is because he is a raging alcoholic who does things like pee in the closet).

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Oops. Didn't realize CA did it.

Since this will be the first appearance of the F30 at this event, I think it should be noted on the logo. It's a momentous occasion, F30's will make appearances through 2032 and there won't be as important a C2C introduction again until 2019.

BJ
Check out the website he made. It may be a cookie cutter site, but it still took time and effort and looks great.

Again, wish my F30 would be back in time. I definitely think an F30 M-Sport, BooBerry color would sparkle very well at the head of the group
Chris90 commented:
April 16, 2013, 3:28 pm

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I don't know how Warren Buffet lives, but I'm sure he has multiple homes, a private jet (uber rich mans status symbol) and his house that he lived for 30+ years is probably a multi-million dollar house in some amazing place to live area.
It's a $500k house, nothing special, and he drives himself to meetings, or used to, he's pretty old now. Think he has one second beach home, and he does have a Gulfstream jet, but probably needs one. He's definitely the exception though.
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 3:32 pm

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It's a $500k house, nothing special, and he drives himself to meetings, or used to, he's pretty old now. Think he has one second beach home, and he does have a Gulfstream jet, but probably needs one. He's definitely the exception though.
Nobody NEEDS a gulfstream. He could do just as well flying coach - but he won't. $500k house - again depending where and when he bought it. Was it 500k 30 years ago or now? 500k house in the middle of Wyoming is HUGE compared to a 500k house in NY (which would be a bread box). Just comparing $$$ of home is not good enough - but still, a 500k house is a lot less then some others.

Again, I don't know the man or if he is extremely extravagant or not (what do his suits cost...are they Wal-mart specials, or custom suits).

Lots of old folks drive themselves.

Again, not belittling his lifestyle - his money, he can live it however he wants - just saying, we all have different ways of showing off our wealth/status.
captainaudio commented:
April 16, 2013, 3:33 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
Oops. Didn't realize CA did it.

Since this will be the first appearance of the F30 at this event, I think it should be noted on the logo. It's a momentous occasion, F30's will make appearances through 2032 and there won't be as important a C2C introduction again until 2019.

BJ
+

Since you will be staying home in NJ nobody cares what you think.

Here is the latest list.



CA
terryn commented:
April 16, 2013, 3:38 pm

I have wondered what my Ex's reaction will be when I show up in my shiny new Alpine White 328i in several weeks (still at the port waiting for a ship - argh). Perhaps a suggestion that I increase my child support payments?

I'm not seriously worried since the payments are based on what you earn, not how you spend it. Still that is about the only negative reaction to buying a BMW that I am expecting.
PK2348 commented:
April 16, 2013, 3:41 pm

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
I don't know how Warren Buffet lives, but I'm sure he has multiple homes, a private jet (uber rich mans status symbol) and his house that he lived for 30+ years is probably a multi-million dollar house in some amazing place to live area.

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It's a $500k house, nothing special, and he drives himself to meetings, or used to, he's pretty old now. Think he has one second beach home, and he does have a Gulfstream jet, but probably needs one. He's definitely the exception though.
He seeems to be a very interesting character. I read some interviews with him. Apparently, he loves to make money just for the sake of making money, and the second thing he enjoys most is giving it away to charity after earning it! I was shocked when he announced his will. Most going to charity and his kids getting next to nothing. His comment was " i do not believe in inheriting one's place in society"
Chris90 commented:
April 16, 2013, 3:43 pm

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
Nobody NEEDS a gulfstream. He could do just as well flying coach - but he won't. $500k house - again depending where and when he bought it. Was it 500k 30 years ago or now? 500k house in the middle of Wyoming is HUGE compared to a 500k house in NY (which would be a bread box). Just comparing $$$ of home is not good enough - but still, a 500k house is a lot less then some others.
He paid $30k 30 years ago, and the neighborhood in Omaha is similar priced ($500-600k). And he has no security guards or surveillance system. For the world's richest man to live in this house, I don't see how you can call him extravagant.
maxpnc commented:
April 16, 2013, 3:48 pm

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Originally Posted by edx1 View Post
Only a few people know I'm getting a bmw shortly, even though it's been almost a year in planning. To be honest, I'm a little uncertain how it will play out but knowing how my friends react isn't as untested any more. I've been driving a Toyota Matrix (Corolla hatch back) for 11 years. It was what I could pay cash for (Something I wanted to do to get ahead in life), even though I bought it via a loan, and primarily fit my needs rather than want, as wants were being able to haul a few things and it was new. I've enjoyed being left alone on the roads but driving a 130hp non looker car will do that.

Since I was 15 I worked all summers and week nights, missing out on fun moments with friends at times, and in IT rather than telemarketing or fast food jobs like my friends. When I was 26 I designed and had a 6000sqft home built (actually during the peak of home costs), fully automated, theater and all -- it was my dream home I had been saving for. When I moved in I threw a party for 6 of my friends who were willing to drive out. After that night 3 of my friends never spoke to me again. I heard from the others that they felt I didn't deserved the home. A husband and wife had been really struggling as the husband had just finished getting his MBA, though his school and their cars were paid for by his father, and he had just started a low paying job in the finance market. The other has some depression issues and I wonder if the shock that I had always been frugal but suddenly had something nice made him feel like I hadn't been fair to him.

I've learned that having things others want and can't have causes extra problems with some types of people, even if you were good friends. I've since heard the proverb "Jealousy knows no loyalty" and it's a sad truth.

I hope I don't get cut off or not allowed to merge because of my car brand alone, but if I were to deserve it for some reason then so be it. I hope my car is never vandalized. I've worked hard and I'd be really disheartened if someone keyed my car or dented it, especially it if they did it because of absurd reason like I decided to park it safely away from other cars. I didn't buy a bmw for the name either. I looked for 3 years for an awd car that handled like a smaller peppy yet nimble car but was safer in build quality and had power that I sacrificed for previously. The X1 happened to fit what I wanted as it's the only crossover/hatch with power and good handling on the market.

If I see someone driving by in a 3 series, B7, Porsche, or Veyron I'll enjoy seeing it and I have respect, not jealously, that they were to be able to afford it. If they're driving aggressively I'll move over and let them have their fun, besides they're in a car designed for it.

Because of where I live, many people aren't open to (and often look down and segregate from) others having different views on life than them and this even includes vehicle choice. I personally know many minvan and suv drivers who think there should be no performance cars on the road because they're not an ideal expense for a family and dangerous. X3's and X5's are fine but a M, Z series or coupe aren't..
It might sound cruel, but you're fighting human nature here, of course some people can't handle the fact that in the same amount of time, you got so much more ahead. They might have worked hard too and thought it was only fair that they get what they "deserved". Never mind my friends, I had complete stranger making rude remarks about my car to my face and in the first week of ownership, someone had already put a dent on my car. (I parked far from people and perfectly) So I say quit feeling guilty of your success and just enjoy it, make new friends. Life is too damn short to worry about non-sense.
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 4:14 pm

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+

Since you will be staying home in NJ nobody cares what you think.

Here is the latest list.

CA
I look at the list and am saddened to not be on it

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Originally Posted by terryn View Post
I have wondered what my Ex's reaction will be when I show up in my shiny new Alpine White 328i in several weeks (still at the port waiting for a ship - argh). Perhaps a suggestion that I increase my child support payments?

I'm not seriously worried since the payments are based on what you earn, not how you spend it. Still that is about the only negative reaction to buying a BMW that I am expecting.
You may call it a "suggestion", the rest of us will call it a "court order mandate". You may want to show up on a bicycle and tell her you are unemployed.

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Originally Posted by PK2348 View Post
He seeems to be a very interesting character. I read some interviews with him. Apparently, he loves to make money just for the sake of making money, and the second thing he enjoys most is giving it away to charity after earning it! I was shocked when he announced his will. Most going to charity and his kids getting next to nothing. His comment was " i do not believe in inheriting one's place in society"
What's next to nothing? I am sure his kids will be very very well off. I do agree, he is an interesting person and I do enjoy listening to him. He also does a lot for charity, and his stance of "the rich should pay more taxes" makes a lot of people annoyed...as one of the richest men in the world, to say that is impressive since even a marginal increase in his tax bracket is HUGE $$$
JoeFromPA commented:
April 16, 2013, 4:20 pm

Honda Accords loaded up hit $34k. Acura TLs hit $45k+.

Ford Explorers go for $35-45k

Ford F150s routinely go $35-45k

I could go on. If I pull up in any of those brand new, the response is typically "nice" and that's it.

I pull up in a $25k CPO BMW and it's "Wow, you must make alot of money."

...

99% of responses to these vehicles are based upon ignorance. They are no longer, in the U.S., an actual exclusive vehicle. It's just branding.

That's why they advertise their lease deals in the mid 300s for a new 3-series. Because even BMW knows it's mass-market.
beden1 commented:
April 16, 2013, 4:42 pm

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Since you will be staying home in NJ nobody cares what you think.

Here is the latest list.



CA
Are you kidding me - BJ is not going now?
captainaudio commented:
April 16, 2013, 4:49 pm

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Are you kidding me - BJ is not going now?
BJ was mean to me and is being punished.

CA
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 4:52 pm

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Originally Posted by JoeFromPA View Post
Honda Accords loaded up hit $34k. Acura TLs hit $45k+.

I pull up in a $25k CPO BMW and it's "Wow, you must make alot of money."
...

99% of responses to these vehicles are based upon ignorance. They are no longer, in the U.S., an actual exclusive vehicle. It's just branding.

That's why they advertise their lease deals in the mid 300s for a new 3-series. Because even BMW knows it's mass-market.
Interesting enough, my 2006 330xi was 25k CPO (pre-tax) and yup I got those comments a lot. When I would pull up to places I knew I was being sized up on my car. For one the 2006 330xi looked just like the 2012 328 - the differences are so subtle that most people won't notice.
So yes, you are right most response are ignorance. Folks think $50k 3-series is a $90k 7 series.

However, a 50k car is still more expensive then the cars you mentioned - and those are still pricey. Face it, joe schmoe can't afford a 350/month lease payment...however he can afford a 150/month lease payment and a 250/month. For a lot of us, what is an extra 100? a meal at a restaurant? Be cognizant that is not how others live. I went out to a restaurant with the Roommate (TM) about a week ago. I thought it was going to be an $80-90$ restaurant with alcohol (mellow place). We even sat at the bar (their bar stools are SOOO comfy). Yea, didn't learn until the next day it was $190. I was annoyed (mainly because at that price I would have expected a more) - but I wasn't regretting it or worried that my mortgage couldn't be paid. Many folks out there not only can't afford 80-90 meal, but if they budgeted for that and it turned out to be 190 they would be worried about their next billing cycle.

Why is the above so hard for people on this forum to consume? Are people here so out of touch with the 90% of America?
beden1 commented:
April 16, 2013, 4:55 pm

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BJ was mean to me and is being punished.

CA
After whining about me going and threatening to drop out if I did, he better go, and, since he claims to make so much money, his charitable contribution should be substantial.
furby076 commented:
April 16, 2013, 4:57 pm

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After whining about me going and threatening to drop out if I did, he better go, and, since he claims to make so much money, his charitable contribution should be substantial.
I think BJ is a republican / tea party, and as such does not believe in charity.
mr29 commented:
April 16, 2013, 6:27 pm

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Interesting enough, my 2006 330xi was 25k CPO (pre-tax) and yup I got those comments a lot. When I would pull up to places I knew I was being sized up on my car. For one the 2006 330xi looked just like the 2012 328 - the differences are so subtle that most people won't notice.
So yes, you are right most response are ignorance. Folks think $50k 3-series is a $90k 7 series.

However, a 50k car is still more expensive then the cars you mentioned - and those are still pricey. Face it, joe schmoe can't afford a 350/month lease payment...however he can afford a 150/month lease payment and a 250/month. For a lot of us, what is an extra 100? a meal at a restaurant? Be cognizant that is not how others live. I went out to a restaurant with the Roommate (TM) about a week ago. I thought it was going to be an $80-90$ restaurant with alcohol (mellow place). We even sat at the bar (their bar stools are SOOO comfy). Yea, didn't learn until the next day it was $190. I was annoyed (mainly because at that price I would have expected a more) - but I wasn't regretting it or worried that my mortgage couldn't be paid. Many folks out there not only can't afford 80-90 meal, but if they budgeted for that and it turned out to be 190 they would be worried about their next billing cycle.

Why is the above so hard for people on this forum to consume? Are people here so out of touch with the 90% of America?
it would appear so.though coming up and being fortune enough to have parents who exposed me to both the rich and poor sides of life i can completely understand where some people simply have no idea how it is in the real world without money. its no fault of their own its just the way it is
Supermax commented:
April 16, 2013, 7:26 pm

Some people have been rich for so long, they've forgotten what it feels like to not be rich. Or maybe they were rich to begin with, so they never even experienced anything else.

Of course the reality is that 99.9% of the world's population can't even dream of owning a BMW. To them a BMW is no different than a Ferrari...or a Bugatti Veyron. $50k is essentially the same as $50 million. It's an "out of this world" amount - something they will never be able to drop on a car.

But what I am finding interesting since I've become a BMW owner is that practically everybody thinks BMW is more expensive than it really is. I've become a huge BMW fan and am constantly trying to get friends/family/coworkers to get a BMW for themselves, and when I tell them that they can realistically have a BMW for like $300/month, it's like they don't even believe me. They can afford that kind of payment, but they never even bother to look at BMW or consider it, because the automatic assumption is that BMW is for rich people
EddieB commented:
April 16, 2013, 7:45 pm

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I get a fair amount of attention here even though its a BMW saturated market.

It's rarely negative. I find some people ride my ass or pull up right to it for no reason, or wont let me in even though I signal.

The older one gets a lot more attention due to the sound it makes. I think the only reason the F30 gets so many looks is the color and wheels, if it was silver and had stock wheels, I think no one would give it a second glance.
My E46 M3 with AC Schnitzer exhaust got a lot of attention due to its sound.
krash commented:
April 16, 2013, 8:08 pm

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You may want to be careful about spending that much money on undergrad for her. I was fortunate to get into some pretty darn good undergrads back in the day including Brown, Duke, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell and few more. None of those schools offered me anything and my parents refused to pay 50k a year for undergrad. Long story short, I went to a good (non Ivy) school that offered me a full tuition scholarship (which still ranks in the top 40 on US News) and decided to go into medicine. They are now paying for my medical school which is also 250k. If your daughter wants to go to graduate school, you should prob. advise her to go the cheaper route.

She'll need to destroy the entrance exam (MCAT, LSAT, GMAT, etc.) to get on level grounds with the kids who went to Harvard, Yale, etc. but it is possible. I prob would have ended up in the same exact position I am now if I went to say Columbia, for example. Especially, for medical school which places a very high value on your GPA, MCAT, and research/leadership. If you are smart enough to get into the elite schools once, you'll always be on that level.

Also, where you go for graduate school matters much more than ugrad (unless you don't plan on going to grad school?).

Honestly, if you were smart you would really would push her toward your state school. Competition will be lower than say that at MIT. She'll wreck her courses, and get a high GPA. The single most important aspect is the MCAT, LSAT, etc. Those scores differentiate the applicants. The more time she can spend on those tests the better off she will be (these scores determine your "worth" to admissions people [ala SAT]).
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$200k for an undergrad?!?! You could get through a good portion of med school with that. If you are going to a $200k undergrad college (assuming you get in), I would think you'd have enough wit to earn at least a few scholarships.

Anyways, had a 328 blk/blk sport line loaner today while my car had its annual state inspection. Didn't really draw too much attention other than a bunch of people at a starbucks who I noticed were staring at it through the window. Still can't get over the ugly halogen lights on the 328.
It's not quite $200k, but in the ballpark. She's my first child going to college. She got a lot of scholarships, but not for the school of her choice (of course). She also has also a very unique major, and the school she's going to is ranked #4 in the nation for it. It's all good. I'm very proud of her.

A couple other schools she was looking at were much more than that. Much much more. So we looked at this as a good alternative.

My son will be going to a state school. He's perfectly ok with that.

The demographics in my neighborhood are interesting. It seems as if every family has 2 children in our neighborhood that are either in college or going to college soon. It also seems as if every family is sending 1 to an expensive private school, and the other is going to a state school.

So we pretty much fit right in.
Mark K commented:
April 16, 2013, 8:47 pm

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But what I am finding interesting since I've become a BMW owner is that practically everybody thinks BMW is more expensive than it really is. I've become a huge BMW fan and am constantly trying to get friends/family/coworkers to get a BMW for themselves, and when I tell them that they can realistically have a BMW for like $300/month, it's like they don't even believe me. They can afford that kind of payment, but they never even bother to look at BMW or consider it, because the automatic assumption is that BMW is for rich people
Yep, my wife asked me a year ago to find out pricing for an X5 35d. When comparing the MSRP, the difference between X5 and something-or-other King Ranch these people ended up buying was less than $5,000. When you consider no maintenance cost and diesel fuel consumption, they would be way ahead in 4 years with BMW than with that other thing.

But, they didn't want BMW owning stigma in a work place where the highest possible salary probably doesn't even break 6 figures. Shame, really.

What is so OK with owning a tricked-out $45k pickup truck* to basically go to work (not a single scratch on it) and SO BAD with owning $45k 328i BMW? I just don't get it. At least BMW uses reasonable amounts of fuel and it is by a large margin safer vehicle than pickup truck ...

*__

The same applies to a 7 seats SUV that hardly ever sees more than 1 passenger in it.
07 E63650i commented:
April 16, 2013, 11:47 pm

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Only a few people know I'm getting a bmw shortly, even though it's been almost a year in planning. To be honest, I'm a little uncertain how it will play out but knowing how my friends react isn't as untested any more. I've been driving a Toyota Matrix (Corolla hatch back) for 11 years. It was what I could pay cash for (Something I wanted to do to get ahead in life), even though I bought it via a loan, and primarily fit my needs rather than want, as wants were being able to haul a few things and it was new. I've enjoyed being left alone on the roads but driving a 130hp non looker car will do that.

Since I was 15 I worked all summers and week nights, missing out on fun moments with friends at times, and in IT rather than telemarketing or fast food jobs like my friends. When I was 26 I designed and had a 6000sqft home built (actually during the peak of home costs), fully automated, theater and all -- it was my dream home I had been saving for. When I moved in I threw a party for 6 of my friends who were willing to drive out. After that night 3 of my friends never spoke to me again. I heard from the others that they felt I didn't deserved the home. A husband and wife had been really struggling as the husband had just finished getting his MBA, though his school and their cars were paid for by his father, and he had just started a low paying job in the finance market. The other has some depression issues and I wonder if the shock that I had always been frugal but suddenly had something nice made him feel like I hadn't been fair to him.

I've learned that having things others want and can't have causes extra problems with some types of people, even if you were good friends. I've since heard the proverb "Jealousy knows no loyalty" and it's a sad truth.

I hope I don't get cut off or not allowed to merge because of my car brand alone, but if I were to deserve it for some reason then so be it. I hope my car is never vandalized. I've worked hard and I'd be really disheartened if someone keyed my car or dented it, especially it if they did it because of absurd reason like I decided to park it safely away from other cars. I didn't buy a bmw for the name either. I looked for 3 years for an awd car that handled like a smaller peppy yet nimble car but was safer in build quality and had power that I sacrificed for previously. The X1 happened to fit what I wanted as it's the only crossover/hatch with power and good handling on the market.

If I see someone driving by in a 3 series, B7, Porsche, or Veyron I'll enjoy seeing it and I have respect, not jealously, that they were to be able to afford it. If they're driving aggressively I'll move over and let them have their fun, besides they're in a car designed for it.

Because of where I live, many people aren't open to (and often look down and segregate from) others having different views on life than them and this even includes vehicle choice. I personally know many minvan and suv drivers who think there should be no performance cars on the road because they're not an ideal expense for a family and dangerous. X3's and X5's are fine but a M, Z series or coupe aren't..
Just comes to show that you do not always need an education to be successful, but the good old work hard and work smart mentality. I have much respect for you sir!
TacticalBassist commented:
April 17, 2013, 12:10 am

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Good for her. Wish my parents could afford to buy me a 7 series. My first car was a hand-me-down from my dad. It was a 1983 Corolla St Croix edition. I got it from my dad, in 1994. Faded paint, stained cloth seats. I think the pull-out radio my dad put in it was worth more then the car. It wasn't because my parents were frugal, or tried to teach me better, they just didn't have a ton of money. The thing is, I was still the envy of my friends - those that didn't have any car Not all spoiled kids are rotten. Not all "well raised" kids are good. Even in the same family, two brothers can be complete opposites. My brother and me are as different as night and day. We don't look alike, act alike, and are at different statuses of the economic scale. We were both raised by the same parents. Sometimes nature goes up to nurture and dropkicks it in the face, following up with a DDT, atomic leg drop and then flying clothesline twisting into a sleeper hold just cause it can
My first car was a hand me down too, but I had to pay for it. I see no reason to give an inexperienced teenaged driver a BRAND NEW vehicle, unless it's like a base model Corolla. Then again, it seems like a lot of parents in this town have no brain when it comes time to buy their kid a car. My neighbor's son's friend is 16 and has a 2012 Camaro. Guarantee with the way he drives that he won't make it out of high school without totalling that car.

Another example you guys may have heard about. A few years back, some guy here bought his teenaged son a brand new M5. That kid and four of his buddies ended up dying in that car because they flew off the end of a runway and smashed into a tree at 150+ mph.

I'm not saying all teens that get expensive brand new cars are going to total them, but I sure as hell wouldn't give my kid a brand new luxury or muscle car.

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Shivam commented:
April 17, 2013, 2:37 am

Well living in Medina, Washington(down the road from Bill Gates) my neighborhood consist of mainly Volvo station wagons. And all the houses next to me are 3 -15 million, but they drive regual cars. Ohh and this is my parents house not mine so don't think a 26 year old is living in this neighborhood. Lol.
Chris90 commented:
April 17, 2013, 7:16 am

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Well living in Medina, Washington(down the road from Bill Gates) my neighborhood consist of mainly Volvo station wagons. And all the houses next to me are 3 -15 million, but they drive regual cars. Ohh and this is my parents house not mine so don't think a 26 year old is living in this neighborhood. Lol.
Now that any peon can lease a luxury car, the rich have lost interest in cars. They've moved on to other luxuries like personal trainers & chefs, exotic vacations etc.
kpgray commented:
April 17, 2013, 7:53 am

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What is so OK with owning a tricked-out $45k pickup truck* to basically go to work (not a single scratch on it) and SO BAD with owning $45k 328i BMW? I just don't get it. At least BMW uses reasonable amounts of fuel and it is by a large margin safer vehicle than pickup truck ...
+1

Not only that, I'll bet my xDrive will even out handle their 4 wheel drive tricked out trucks in the snow and slush...
diggyd357 commented:
April 17, 2013, 8:13 am

Honestly, most people that comment on my car almost always ask me what I do for a living. When I tell them I'm an apartment maintenance supervisor you can tell they're a little surprised. I keep my car clean, it has really nice aftermarket 20" wheels and a top notch sound system, but IT'S A FREEKIN' 97 MODEL!!!!! Most people don't realize that they probably paid more for their car than I did for mine.

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chris328 commented:
April 17, 2013, 12:52 pm

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My first car was a hand me down too, but I had to pay for it. I see no reason to give an inexperienced teenaged driver a BRAND NEW vehicle, unless it's like a base model Corolla. Then again, it seems like a lot of parents in this town have no brain when it comes time to buy their kid a car. My neighbor's son's friend is 16 and has a 2012 Camaro. Guarantee with the way he drives that he won't make it out of high school without totalling that car.

Another example you guys may have heard about. A few years back, some guy here bought his teenaged son a brand new M5. That kid and four of his buddies ended up dying in that car because they flew off the end of a runway and smashed into a tree at 150+ mph.

I'm not saying all teens that get expensive brand new cars are going to total them, but I sure as hell wouldn't give my kid a brand new luxury or muscle car.

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i think the kid was just driving his Dad's car, i dont think his Dad bought him the M5.
chris328 commented:
April 17, 2013, 12:54 pm

http://www.ocala.com/article/20080127/NEWS/801270355
Carnook commented:
April 17, 2013, 12:59 pm

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Nobody NEEDS a gulfstream.
Not true. There are very few people who need them, but some do
spicytofu commented:
April 17, 2013, 1:07 pm

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Some people have been rich for so long, they've forgotten what it feels like to not be rich. Or maybe they were rich to begin with, so they never even experienced anything else.

Of course the reality is that 99.9% of the world's population can't even dream of owning a BMW. To them a BMW is no different than a Ferrari...or a Bugatti Veyron. $50k is essentially the same as $50 million. It's an "out of this world" amount - something they will never be able to drop on a car.

But what I am finding interesting since I've become a BMW owner is that practically everybody thinks BMW is more expensive than it really is. I've become a huge BMW fan and am constantly trying to get friends/family/coworkers to get a BMW for themselves, and when I tell them that they can realistically have a BMW for like $300/month, it's like they don't even believe me. They can afford that kind of payment, but they never even bother to look at BMW or consider it, because the automatic assumption is that BMW is for rich people
This is true. Tried to convince parents to get a BMW, they thought they cannot afford to drive such a car when its only $3-400/month. I guess they come from a different generation when BMWs were only for rich people and the avg salary is not $35k like it is today. Most people can afford $300 given an avg job and good money management. My friend makes less than 30 and spends $3-400/month just on eating out!!!

On a different note: I live in an area where the avg salary is over 75k. While I do see many BMWs, more old than new, most people I know still prefer to buy an older, used car for cheap. They put their money where it belongs: mortgage. (and $4000 superbowl tickets lol)
408Racer commented:
April 17, 2013, 1:11 pm

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Now that any peon can lease a luxury car, the rich have lost interest in cars. They've moved on to other luxuries like personal trainers & chefs, exotic vacations etc.
And also, just because someone is rich does not mean he/she is into cars. While there are many car enthusiasts (both the "pure" and poseur types) who will gladly live paycheck to paycheck just to drive a BMW.

And if someone is not into cars, they do not understand BMW and would tend to look at them as nothing beyond ostentatious cars that do not "make sense" like Camry/Accord/Sonata.
jjcruiser commented:
April 17, 2013, 1:14 pm

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But what I am finding interesting since I've become a BMW owner is that practically everybody thinks BMW is more expensive than it really is. I've become a huge BMW fan and am constantly trying to get friends/family/coworkers to get a BMW for themselves, and when I tell them that they can realistically have a BMW for like $300/month, it's like they don't even believe me. They can afford that kind of payment, but they never even bother to look at BMW or consider it, because the automatic assumption is that BMW is for rich people
True. BMW also has a few tricky ways for people willing to put in certain leg work or who are willing to be patient that can drive the price down even more (e.g., reduced options/baseline, ED, MSDs, BMWCCA, etc.).

And for everyone else, BMW now has the 320.
408Racer commented:
April 17, 2013, 1:30 pm

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And for everyone else, BMW now has the 320.
Yup...those and they've also had CPOs for a while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHEJxhnRqM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6HEdrBh_Cs
TFA372 commented:
April 17, 2013, 7:58 pm

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ive only had one uncalled for incident and that ws one time i was rolling up to a red light and some woman behind me was all angry and started flashing her beams and honking only to have to stop 15 yards later. then at the next light there was two lanes and the person in the left was turning, i was in the right and i just started going and took my time through the intersection, and since she had to wait to pass me she got super angry and flew around me and started going super slow in front of me to "get me back", so i had to go around her, but when i went to go around her, she tried to push me into oncoming traffic. so i just sped up enough to pass her anyway, and then she comes up again on my right hand side, i figured by this point she needed to be stopped, so right as she was near my rear right quarter i juiced it and turn-checked her and she shat herself and slammed on her brakes, she didnt pursue after that

Nice job! If someone is a an asshole to me, I will be one back. Just the other day, some idiot with a bright yellow Corolla raced past me in I80. I was doing 60mph. He then gets in front of me and repeatedly breakchecks me. I pull into the other lane and he slows down so we are neck and neck. He rolled down his windows and just floors it. He had a car-length head start and I popped mine in sport mode and just floored it as well. I passed him at 120mph and flipped him off as I did. He slammed his brakes and go across 3 lanes to an exit. I later found out who he was from a racing buddy and asked him how he liked tasting BMW fumes. He was pissed claiming he was going easy.... Yeah like a stock 4-cylinder Corolla is going to beat my E90....

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BMWs common as Hondas where I live. No biggie. But damn, if I'd only ordered the Police Ramming Bumpers option I could get those damn Obama-loving, Global warming-believing, Prius-owning goobersmoochers out of my way. The left lane is for passing, ahole. GTF out of the way. I'll say this though, the Xenon Angel Eyes get most of the people to move over. BTW, Audi's eyebrow lights are gay. There. I think I've offended everybody.

I have a 328xi that was initally a gift from a family member, but I forced them to take the money. I had put down money for a 2014 Mustang GT C/S ($46,000, fully loaded), yet my Beemer was just $20k since it was a lease and it has a previously salvaged title. I don't want to car anymore, but it's a pain to sell it.... I get a lot of looks at school since it is one of the nicer cars, even nicer than most of the teachers there, so I do get the looks but never got any rude comments from anyone I know personally. Usually just nice car and so on....


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This debate needs some perspective. Where I live in Northern VA, people wipe their asses with 3 series. It's REALLY nothing special. I suspect it's that way along the coasts in the urban areas, where many of us are from. If you look at the top 10 earning counties in the US I bet 8-9 of then are along the coasts in major metro areas (NY/NJ/VA/LA/SF etc). Of course if you average it across the entire nation the numbers tell a different story. But many are comparing with our neighbors, friends, and coworkers; not the average family of 4 from Nebraska making 50k a year. So yes, BMW is a status symbol in most parts of the country but chances are if you are even frequenting a forum such as this, you're likely in an area where a BMW is nothing special.

Here in the more affluent part of Nebraska, BMWs are not common but there are a few. Fords, Toyotas and Chevys are abundant but it might have to do with the fact that Iam in the middle of nowhere..... The average income where I live is around $80-$100 and most drive moderately priced cars. My father takes a salary of just $60k from his business and my mom just $1 (figurehead salary) yet they own 100% equity in their business that is worth 7-figures. He also owns acres of land in India, China, and London, yet my dad is insistent on living in a $100,000 home and is content in driving a $20,000 Honda Insight. I guess he gets a kick out of not spending his money. The only thing my parents buy is gold. By the pounds.....

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Your friend sounds like he has a Very Nice place. Some parts of London are amongst the highest priced real estate in the world. He must be in one of those places. Congrats to him on his success!

Very rich people got that way by not spending their money on cars and stuff like that. The Realllllly rich people that I know, told me that a car is just means of transportation and that why should they spend a ton of money on something that's just going to depreciate quicker than your money can earn? This was told to me by someone worth north of $400 mil that still drives his 2003 Mercedes S Class (which he bought used).

A better example is Warren Buffett (one of the richest men in the world and runs Berkshire Hathaway amongst other thriving businesses). He bought himself a used Cadillac and still lives in the same house that he's had for 30+ years. He's not only Extremely smart with his money, but thrifty too.

Sorry for the rant off topic, and now back to our regularly scheduled program.
I had an interview with Warren Buffett and he picked the place to meet and it was Picocolo's. Never been there considering I am a vegetarian, but I was not going to argue with him. Anyways, I show up 10 minutes before and I was waiting in my car so I could be punctual. He pulls up next to me in a CTS. We had a great meal err.... he had a great meal and I had french fries. Still it was one of the best moments of my life to date. When the bill shows up, he jokingly asked if I was picking up the bill. I said of course, but he did not let me. He is a truly remarkable person.

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You've got new friends now, welcome aboard.

My brother-in-law won't talk to my wife or I because he Googled us and found our salaries and was flabbergasted by what we make. Somehow, all the years he goofed-off in his 20's and 30's while we were busting our asses is forgotten now, somehow we are 'lucky' and he is 'smarter than the both of us' and he can't bear to see us seeing that he makes 1/10 of what we do.

You worked hard. Never be ashamed of what you accomplished. Don't throw your wealth in anyone's face, but by the same token don't let anyone throw their poverty in yours. As you get older and marry and have kids, you'll make a ton of new friends and they'll be in your social and financial state and that obstacle will vanish.

Congrats on having your head on straight and the new car.

BJ
How do you find out what someone makes on Google?

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Nobody NEEDS a gulfstream. He could do just as well flying coach - but he won't. $500k house - again depending where and when he bought it. Was it 500k 30 years ago or now? 500k house in the middle of Wyoming is HUGE compared to a 500k house in NY (which would be a bread box). Just comparing $$$ of home is not good enough - but still, a 500k house is a lot less then some others.

Again, I don't know the man or if he is extremely extravagant or not (what do his suits cost...are they Wal-mart specials, or custom suits).

Lots of old folks drive themselves.

Again, not belittling his lifestyle - his money, he can live it however he wants - just saying, we all have different ways of showing off our wealth/status.
His house was $30k back in the 50's. That works out to $200k-$300k in today's dollars. While that is pricey here in Nebraska, it is not extravagant. Some of my father's friends who make under $100k own $300k+ homes. The greater Dundee area has vastly increased in land value and that is why his home is worth so much. Yes, he has a plane, but he has a reason. I asked him what he would purchase if money was no object (for him it nearly is....), he said time. Time is limited, he wanted more time to do things he enjoys like card games and reading.

I guess the GulfStream is to go from point A to point B without wasting time at major hubs.... Flying from Omaha to Chicago is a MUST if you want to fly to any major airport.
Teemo Panda commented:
April 17, 2013, 8:42 pm

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Actually, around me X5's and X7's are very common at about the same level as 3 series, with quite a few 5 and 7 series too.
When did they make a X7? and where can i get 1? :P
mr29 commented:
April 17, 2013, 9:05 pm

i think its called glass ceiling .com or something like that it gives you a good idea of what others make
hans007 commented:
April 17, 2013, 9:45 pm

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i think its called glass ceiling .com or something like that it gives you a good idea of what others make
glassdoor.com
That70sGAdawg commented:
April 17, 2013, 10:40 pm

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i think the kid was just driving his Dad's car, i dont think his Dad bought him the M5.
Sounds like "Risky Business"..
boltjaM3s commented:
April 17, 2013, 10:44 pm

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Originally Posted by mo.karney View Post

How do you find out what someone makes on Google?
If your sister is an officer of a publicly traded company, searching for her name and company and the word "compensation" will bring up a filing or offer letter.

BJ
terryn commented:
April 18, 2013, 8:26 am

I was recently in Indiana visiting my sister. I did not see one single BMW the whole 4 days there. Not in driving north on I69 from Indianapolis airport. Not in driving around Fort Wayne. Not one! I was struck by the amazing contrast to North Jersey.

I rented a Hyundai Accent so I fit right in
furby076 commented:
April 18, 2013, 9:20 am

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I had an interview with Warren Buffett .
Why did you have an interview with him and how did you get it?
Chris90 commented:
April 18, 2013, 9:36 am

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Originally Posted by mr29 View Post
i think its called glass ceiling .com or something like that it gives you a good idea of what others make
My company accidentally sent out everyone's salary in an email. Doh!
furby076 commented:
April 18, 2013, 9:43 am

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My company accidentally sent out everyone's salary in an email. Doh!
Companies don't want you to know what your coworkers make for one reason only -> It becomes more expensive for them. Once you realize that you are making less money then someone who produces less then you. Once you realize that you are making less money then your subordinate. Once you realize that your boss, who does crap, makes three times what you do. You then go to your boss and say "WTF dude". Your boss can either pay you an increased salary and make you happy (you are the more valuable employee). Your boss can pay you the same and then risk losing you or getting less performance out of you.

Companies don't want you to know what people are making because that is how they can screw you.
TacticalBassist commented:
April 18, 2013, 9:54 am

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i think the kid was just driving his Dad's car, i dont think his Dad bought him the M5.
I think the story about it being the dad's car was a cover up by the family. I have some mutual friends with the kid, and they said that it was his car.

It may have been registered to his dad's name for insurance purposes, which would actually make since. That's what I do, otherwise insurance would be too expensive for me.

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trinipirate commented:
April 18, 2013, 11:17 am

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Originally Posted by PFol310 View Post
Haven't even taken delivery of mine and I've been getting flack.

People saying I shouldn't be getting a BMW, how can you afford it, your not a BMW guy, etc..

I don't know if its jealousy or what but its getting old and it's still on the boat
Either jealousy -or- they see all that money "going down the drain" when they could use some of it while you buy a honda.
Chris90 commented:
April 18, 2013, 11:37 am

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
Companies don't want you to know what your coworkers make for one reason only -> It becomes more expensive for them. Once you realize that you are making less money then someone who produces less then you. Once you realize that you are making less money then your subordinate. Once you realize that your boss, who does crap, makes three times what you do. You then go to your boss and say "WTF dude". Your boss can either pay you an increased salary and make you happy (you are the more valuable employee). Your boss can pay you the same and then risk losing you or getting less performance out of you.

Companies don't want you to know what people are making because that is how they can screw you.
Yes, a lot of us got raises out of this email.
mr29 commented:
April 18, 2013, 1:38 pm

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Originally Posted by trinipirate View Post
Either jealousy -or- they see all that money "going down the drain" when they could use some of it while you buy a honda.
Most don't realize at most it's a 100 more a month
Chris90 commented:
April 18, 2013, 4:16 pm

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Most don't realize at most it's a 100 more a month
A BMW lease compares well to say, an Audi lease, or BMW cash purchase.

But a Honda Accord you can finance for 60 months at $425/month, and after 60 months the car is worth like $10k. So it's hard to tell that kind of buyer to lease a BMW for $500/month.
ductman commented:
April 18, 2013, 5:20 pm

I have been following this thread, well today the " dreaded " comment came out today from a new colleague who I was helping out on a sales call today, he drives up in his 2005 Honda Accord and states " wow, how did you get to drive such an expensive car" , my response:
Only assholes drive BMW's and guess what " I am an asshole" Needless to say, he was speechless.
furby076 commented:
April 18, 2013, 5:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Chris90 View Post
A BMW lease compares well to say, an Audi lease, or BMW cash purchase.

But a Honda Accord you can finance for 60 months at $425/month, and after 60 months the car is worth like $10k. So it's hard to tell that kind of buyer to lease a BMW for $500/month.
You are comparing finance to lease. This is not a proper comparison for this topic. Whats an accord lease to a bmw lease

BMW / audi lease also do not compare to purchase. The payments are vastly different
Chris90 commented:
April 18, 2013, 5:33 pm

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
You are comparing finance to lease. This is not a proper comparison for this topic. Whats an accord lease to a bmw lease

BMW / audi lease also do not compare to purchase. The payments are vastly different
I doubt these people are leasing their Accords.
Hniel commented:
April 18, 2013, 5:43 pm

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Originally Posted by ductman View Post
I have been following this thread, well today the " dreaded " comment came out today from a new colleague who I was helping out on a sales call today, he drives up in his 2005 Honda Accord and states " wow, how did you get to drive such an expensive car" , my response:
Only assholes drive BMW's and guess what " I am an asshole" Needless to say, he was speechless.
recently a customer came in with a new jeep, forget the model as I am not into jeeps but newly ordered 4 door, super fun looking vehicle. This guy is a semi retired dr and likes camping and towing his boat. He also owns an s4. anyway, he said.."apparently I am told Jeep drivers wave at one another when meeting on the highway. He asked if bmw drivers do the same? I said sh t NO, we are all assholes. He laughed. I said the only understanding is we don't race one another.
gkr778 commented:
April 18, 2013, 6:00 pm

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Originally Posted by terryn View Post
I was recently in Indiana visiting my sister. I did not see one single BMW the whole 4 days there. Not in driving north on I69 from Indianapolis airport. Not in driving around Fort Wayne. Not one! I was struck by the amazing contrast to North Jersey.

I rented a Hyundai Accent so I fit right in
Hoosiers are some of the friendliest and most sane people in the world. Based on your experience in Indy, Fort Wayne, and points in between regarding the preponderance (or lack thereof) of BMW automobiles, I'd have to say they are some of the smartest too!
av98 commented:
April 18, 2013, 8:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Hniel View Post
recently a customer came in with a new jeep, forget the model as I am not into jeeps but newly ordered 4 door, super fun looking vehicle. This guy is a semi retired dr and likes camping and towing his boat. He also owns an s4. anyway, he said.."apparently I am told Jeep drivers wave at one another when meeting on the highway. He asked if bmw drivers do the same? I said sh t NO, we are all assholes. He laughed. I said the only understanding is we don't race one another.
As a previous Subaru owner, especially WRX n STI owners, we used to give the peace or thumbs up signs.
Supermax commented:
April 18, 2013, 8:31 pm

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As a previous Subaru owner, especially WRX n STI owners, we used to give the peace or thumbs up signs.
That's easy - those cars are rare. With the amount of BMW's that exist in some areas, we'd need to drive with a constantly raised thumb

But seriously, I'd love to have some camaraderie with other BMW drivers on the road, but usually when I stare at other cars/drivers hoping for mutual respect, I realize that the driver is some soccer mom that won't even check her rear view mirror a single time on her entire drive, let alone actually notice what kind of car is next to her.
Db750 commented:
April 18, 2013, 8:34 pm

When I had my F30 loaner for a week I got a ton of looks, and they were almost all from e90 drivers.

Literally almost every e90 driver, as in 90%+, did the full turn around in your seat and endanger yourself, your passengers, and fellow motorist to get a better look. I started keeping track.
av98 commented:
April 18, 2013, 8:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Db750 View Post
When I had my F30 loaner for a week I got a ton of looks, and they were almost all from e90 drivers.

Literally almost every e90 driver, as in 90%+, did the full turn around in your seat and endanger yourself, your passengers, and fellow motorist to get a better look. I started keeping track.
Could be envy
TFA372 commented:
April 18, 2013, 9:58 pm

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
Why did you have an interview with him and how did you get it?
In the past 6 years, I was the State Champion in the Virtual Stock Exchange for 5 of them (won twice, 3rd place, then won 3 times in a row). Anyways, at the awards ceremony, it is none other than the Oracle of Omaha that presents the awards. The 2012-2013 school year was the last chance to enter (senior in high school....). At the same time I was given an assignment in my AP Psychology class to interview someone over the age of 45 in order to get their perspective on life and so on. Anyways, at the ceremony, I asked if he could spare an hour and allow me to interview him. He said he would get back to me at a later time. I took it as a now, but lo and behold, a week later I get a call from his secretary wanting to arrange a meeting time and place.

While it was technically supposed to be a interview it ended up being a nice back and forth conversation about what he values and so on. We had a friendly spat about our methodology of investing. I tend not to hold on to any stocks for more than a few weeks while he is one to sit on shares for years. Overall, it was an eye-opening experience.

I mean here was a man with more money than I or my entire family put together 100 times over, yet he doesn't spend any of it. I drove a nicer car than him.... I had a nicer phone than him and etc....
triplrocks commented:
April 18, 2013, 10:08 pm

Where I live it's all lifted trucks/jeeps/etc. so when people see the BMW they def. look at it, and comment on how nice it is. Sometimes I get the "oh you are rich" or "oh you must be a dick cause you have a nice car" kind of thing. The truck guys even try to race me, but never have much luck.
captainaudio commented:
April 18, 2013, 10:40 pm

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Originally Posted by mo.karney View Post
In the past 6 years, I was the State Champion in the Virtual Stock Exchange for 5 of them (won twice, 3rd place, then won 3 times in a row). Anyways, at the awards ceremony, it is none other than the Oracle of Omaha that presents the awards. The 2012-2013 school year was the last chance to enter (senior in high school....). At the same time I was given an assignment in my AP Psychology class to interview someone over the age of 45 in order to get their perspective on life and so on. Anyways, at the ceremony, I asked if he could spare an hour and allow me to interview him. He said he would get back to me at a later time. I took it as a now, but lo and behold, a week later I get a call from his secretary wanting to arrange a meeting time and place.

While it was technically supposed to be a interview it ended up being a nice back and forth conversation about what he values and so on. We had a friendly spat about our methodology of investing. I tend not to hold on to any stocks for more than a few weeks while he is one to sit on shares for years. Overall, it was an eye-opening experience.

I mean here was a man with more money than I or my entire family put together 100 times over, yet he doesn't spend any of it. I drove a nicer car than him.... I had a nicer phone than him and etc....
Since Buffet has a net worth of $55 billion. That would mean that your family has a net worth of $550 million (or less)

CA
TFA372 commented:
April 18, 2013, 11:48 pm

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Originally Posted by captainaudio View Post
Since Buffet has a net worth of $55 billion. That would mean that your family has a net worth of $550 million (or less)

CA

make it a >1000....
SilverX3 commented:
April 19, 2013, 12:09 am

BMW = Be My Wanker

so they think you are a W...ker when they see you driving BMW
FreddyG commented:
April 19, 2013, 12:29 am

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Originally Posted by Supermax View Post
That's easy - those cars are rare. With the amount of BMW's that exist in some areas, we'd need to drive with a constantly raised thumb

But seriously, I'd love to have some camaraderie with other BMW drivers on the road, but usually when I stare at other cars/drivers hoping for mutual respect, I realize that the driver is some soccer mom that won't even check her rear view mirror a single time on her entire drive, let alone actually notice what kind of car is next to her.
I've done the same thing, but most BMW drivers around here seem snobbish. It kind of reminds me of the old joke..........What is the difference between a porcupine and a BMW driver? The pricks are on the outside of the porcupine!

Seriously, I've even tried waving at fellow BMW owners and got the "Who the heck are you" look. Sometime's you'll get a "Car Guy" that gets it and will either wave or give you the head nod, but that is seldom.

Having come from Corvette's, we had the wave. When you saw another Vette driver, you waved, and 9 times out of 10, they waved back. It was kind of like being in a fraternity with mutual respect. That was Very Cool!

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Originally Posted by mo.karney View Post
In the past 6 years, I was the State Champion in the Virtual Stock Exchange for 5 of them (won twice, 3rd place, then won 3 times in a row). Anyways, at the awards ceremony, it is none other than the Oracle of Omaha that presents the awards. The 2012-2013 school year was the last chance to enter (senior in high school....). At the same time I was given an assignment in my AP Psychology class to interview someone over the age of 45 in order to get their perspective on life and so on. Anyways, at the ceremony, I asked if he could spare an hour and allow me to interview him. He said he would get back to me at a later time. I took it as a now, but lo and behold, a week later I get a call from his secretary wanting to arrange a meeting time and place.

While it was technically supposed to be a interview it ended up being a nice back and forth conversation about what he values and so on. We had a friendly spat about our methodology of investing. I tend not to hold on to any stocks for more than a few weeks while he is one to sit on shares for years. Overall, it was an eye-opening experience.

I mean here was a man with more money than I or my entire family put together 100 times over, yet he doesn't spend any of it. I drove a nicer car than him.... I had a nicer phone than him and etc....
You are a VERY Lucky man to be trading info with Warren Buffett. I don't get envious pretty much ever, but I'm a bit green there. Congratulations! That man can make money in ANY market and seems to be a VERY Nice, down to Earth Guy from what I've seen. Once again, Congrats!

Other than personal things, such as getting married, having kids, etc. good luck topping that one in life accomplishments!
Chris90 commented:
April 19, 2013, 7:14 am

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Originally Posted by Db750 View Post
When I had my F30 loaner for a week I got a ton of looks, and they were almost all from e90 drivers.

Literally almost every e90 driver, as in 90%+, did the full turn around in your seat and endanger yourself, your passengers, and fellow motorist to get a better look. I started keeping track.
They're trying to determine if it's a 3 or 5 series. I still have trouble with that.
furby076 commented:
April 19, 2013, 8:59 am

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Originally Posted by Chris90 View Post
I doubt these people are leasing their Accords.
I don't doubt it, but assuming you are correct then compare Finance/Purchase of Accord to Finance/Purchase of BMW.
chris328 commented:
April 19, 2013, 9:18 am

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Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
I've done the same thing, but most BMW drivers around here seem snobbish. It kind of reminds me of the old joke..........What is the difference between a porcupine and a BMW driver? The pricks are on the outside of the porcupine!

Seriously, I've even tried waving at fellow BMW owners and got the "Who the heck are you" look. Sometime's you'll get a "Car Guy" that gets it and will either wave or give you the head nod, but that is seldom.

Having come from Corvette's, we had the wave. When you saw another Vette driver, you waved, and 9 times out of 10, they waved back. It was kind of like being in a fraternity with mutual respect. That was Very Cool!



You are a VERY Lucky man to be trading info with Warren Buffett. I don't get envious pretty much ever, but I'm a bit green there. Congratulations! That man can make money in ANY market and seems to be a VERY Nice, down to Earth Guy from what I've seen. Once again, Congrats!

Other than personal things, such as getting married, having kids, etc. good luck topping that one in life accomplishments!
ive gotten a couple thumbs up and a couple dudes pull up next to me and ask me some questions but usually when i think of dudes waving at each other i think of Harley riders.
trinipirate commented:
April 19, 2013, 10:36 am

I've ehard of the Porsche wave. BMW drivers may check out the ride as I check their's but never waved.
Chris90 commented:
April 19, 2013, 10:37 am

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Originally Posted by trinipirate View Post
I've ehard of the Porsche wave. BMW drivers may check out the ride as I check their's but never waved.
ZHP owners have waved to me. Nothing like when we had the WRX though.
triplrocks commented:
April 19, 2013, 10:56 am

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Originally Posted by Chris90 View Post
ZHP owners have waved to me. Nothing like when we had the WRX though.
I wave to other BMW drivers when they are low or have an exhaust around here, because it is mostly hondas
07 E63650i commented:
April 19, 2013, 12:01 pm

People seem to automatically assume that you're rich when you are driving a BMW, especially a 6 Series. I've had bad experiences like people not allowing me to merge, or other people trying to race me. Good experiences are when I get compliments and friendly waves from other BMW drivers. I don't drive like a crazy individual, but once in a while, I do like a spirited drive and I always use my signal when changing lanes and courtesy is the best rule to follow.


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Elk commented:
April 19, 2013, 5:35 pm

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Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
Having come from Corvette's, we had the wave. When you saw another Vette driver, you waved, and 9 times out of 10, they waved back. It was kind of like being in a fraternity with mutual respect. That was Very Cool!
Yes, The Wave is a great tradition.

Ducati riders behave similarly.

BMWs are too common and often owned by people who are not all that interested in cars as cars so I doubt it will catch on.
triplrocks commented:
April 19, 2013, 5:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Elk View Post
Yes, The Wave is a great tradition.

Ducati riders behave similarly.

BMWs are too common and often owned by people who are not all that interested in cars as cars so I doubt it will catch on.
To most people it is only a car, which sucks. When I see a BMW/Audi/Benz I will let them out or give them the right of way, etc.
jjcruiser commented:
April 19, 2013, 6:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Elk View Post
Yes, The Wave is a great tradition.

Ducati riders behave similarly.
I tried doing the motorcycle warning for a cop of patting the head/helmet to a couple motorcyclists once, (I was driving an SUV at the time) and they both just looked at me weird.

I've had a similar experience with flashing lights at oncoming cars here in California (in New England this is standard "look out for the speed trap" warning)--no one seems to know what it is and most of them think I'm weird.

Fine then. Get a ticket.
jtuds commented:
April 19, 2013, 7:17 pm

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Originally Posted by rippx View Post

So far from my experience, they have been neutral to negative (regarding random people on the street). Majority of the time I just see people staring. However, some times they are just rude.

For example, when driving, they will not let you into a lane, tailgate, beep their horns for the most random reason, etc. Park your car in a nearly empty parking lot away from everybody else...you come back, and somebody parks right next to you, making it difficult to open your door.

It might stem from jealousy or previous experiences with BMW owners. For example, some idiot kids that drive used bmws leaning back in their cars blasting music, showing off, thinking they've made it in life lol . I can see why it might rub people the wrong way.

For the most part I don't mention at all the car I drive and where I live but when some old(or new) friends want to meet up and they see me pulling up in the BMW, or even see my house for the first time, they normally ask all kinds of questions and are genuinely interested, and have no negative feelings. It seems to be a whole different story for strangers.

You guys?
I don't know what kinda hick place that is but I don't exactly live in a well-to-do city and people certainly don't do that around here. There are a-holes everywhere but to hear that it's common somewhere is odd.
jtuds commented:
April 19, 2013, 7:36 pm

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Originally Posted by DDGator View Post
It's funny how people can buy a $40k mini-van or SUV and its considered normal. But by a $45k BMW and all of a sudden people think you are rich, or living above your means or something.
Bingo. A colleague of mine paid $52000 for a SUV because they got it loaded. It's a Chevy or something. My 335i came out to $57000. Of course I don't tell ppl at work what it cost. But if colleague and I drove into the parking lot one after another, most people wouldn't think twice about either car. But the ones with an opinion would have an opinion about the BMW. Little do they know...

The way I see it is that if you worked for it and you can afford it and you value it, then get it. I didn't get my education and work my way into my current job to not enjoy the spoils. The BMW badge means nothing to me. Being able to shop around and make a decision on the car I liked most and to be able to afford it and finally see the tangible result of my efforts means everything.
MastaS commented:
April 19, 2013, 10:00 pm

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Originally Posted by jtuds View Post
Bingo. A colleague of mine paid $52000 for a SUV because they got it loaded. It's a Chevy or something. My 335i came out to $57000. Of course I don't tell ppl at work what it cost. But if colleague and I drove into the parking lot one after another, most people wouldn't think twice about either car. But the ones with an opinion would have an opinion about the BMW. Little do they know...

The way I see it is that if you worked for it and you can afford it and you value it, then get it. I didn't get my education and work my way into my current job to not enjoy the spoils. The BMW badge means nothing to me. Being able to shop around and make a decision on the car I liked most and to be able to afford it and finally see the tangible result of my efforts means everything.
When I was in University studying all night I wondered, is it all really worth it? I remember when I went for my test drive they ask what I am looking for in this car. I smirked and just said a silly ass grin every time I get in it(yes it was worth it).

For me it's a toy which I happen to use to get to work also. I am really starting to enjoy the quick torque you can generate doing around 50km/h
Supermax commented:
April 19, 2013, 10:02 pm

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(in New England this is standard "look out for the speed trap" warning)--no one seems to know what it is and most of them think I'm weird.
Haha yep, here in California practically nobody knows about it.

Oh I just remembered...on a recent trip to Russia, I discovered a new thing they have there. You have to drive like an asshole to get anywhere due to the absolutely insane, unbelievable traffic. Nobody ever lets anybody in. For those rare times when someone actually does, they turn on the hazard lights for 2 blinks. It means thank you.

I found that pretty interesting and actually really liked it. Would totally do it here, except people would think there's something wrong with my car
sayzar commented:
April 20, 2013, 12:01 am

I think some people get Jealous, for example yesterday I parked far away from every body else to avoid any dents, upon coming back some @sshole decided to park rite next to mine, out of all the other open parking spaces in the lot, 2 hours later notice very small dent on my door, I'm so sure this @sshole was the one that did it, lucky for me my best friend owns a body shop and took that dent out today and I'm dent free for now because I'm sure I'm going to get a another hater. People are going to hate and in the end it's just a car but wait sorry it's not a car it's the Ultimate driving machine lol
furby076 commented:
April 20, 2013, 12:11 am

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Originally Posted by Elk View Post
Yes, The Wave is a great tradition.

Ducati riders behave similarly.

BMWs are too common and often owned by people who are not all that interested in cars as cars so I doubt it will catch on.
I don't think it's about being common. It's more along the lines of BMWs are vehicles that have a wide range of utilities. It can be the grocery getter, the mom mobile, the long trip car, the open it out car, etc The Ducati and the Corvette are more of enthusiest vehicles...Not that many people buy a vette as a daily driver (though some do) and the same goes for Ducati. So you get more of a kinship because chances are you know why someone bought either of those - to have fun.

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Originally Posted by jjcruiser View Post
I tried doing the motorcycle warning for a cop of patting the head/helmet to a couple motorcyclists once, (I was driving an SUV at the time) and they both just looked at me weird.

I've had a similar experience with flashing lights at oncoming cars here in California (in New England this is standard "look out for the speed trap" warning)--no one seems to know what it is and most of them think I'm weird.

Fine then. Get a ticket.
Never knew that about motorcycles (I don't ride). I do flash my lights. The only people who ever really get it are truckers and sometimes they turn their lighting system on/off as thanks. Also, I will flash to let a truck driver pass in front of me, and SOMETIMES they will turn their lighting system off/on.
IndyMike commented:
April 20, 2013, 8:28 am

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
The only people who ever really get it are truckers and sometimes they turn their lighting system on/off as thanks. Also, I will flash to let a truck driver pass in front of me, and SOMETIMES they will turn their lighting system off/on.
You must have clear bra's on your vehicles.

I can't remember the last time I voluntarily let a big rig slide in front of me. Same goes for open bed pickups.

I admit people might react negatively to my maneuver's under these circumstances, because I'll do almost anything to put them behind me, or if that's not possible then slow down enough (to a virtual crawl if necessary) to get a big gap between us.

I think I probably break out in a stone cold sweat when I see big rigs barreling up behind me.

Happiness is seeing trucks getting smaller in your rear view mirror.
chasfh commented:
April 20, 2013, 9:03 am

My general impression is this:

People I encounter on the road exhibit class resentment against BMW owners and some even become a little ruder to make driving just a little more difficult for the BMW owner. That's a natural human instinct, but those are people you will never personally encounter, anyway. There's nothing you can do about it, so just roll with the punch when it happens. Realize that it's their issue, not yours. You'll be happier once you realize that.

People of modest means that you do encounter personally, maybe people you meet for the first time and who realize you drive a BMW, may be at first put off by class resentment, but once you demonstrate that you are a down to earth good guy, they will like you even more than if you drove, for example, a Chevy. Folks of modest means really like people who appear to have made it but are really down to earth, cool people who did not "forget their roots" (even if they don't know you didn't come from modest roots).

Of course, if you act like an entitled jackoff around those folks instead, all bets are off on your safety. And deservedly so.
ddee63x commented:
April 20, 2013, 9:56 am

Absolutely nothing. As an American living in northern Italy near 2 military bases, I drive a BMW to be inconspicuous and fit right in. BMW's are used as taxi cabs, police cars, and company cars with advertising logos all over them here. It's my fellow Americans from the military base with the kitted out and colorful American cars and huge 7-10 passenger SUV's (Denali, Escalade, Expedition) that stand out and get reactions around here.....BTW, when I lived in Wash DC back in 2000 and drove a new BMW Sportwagon; the 1st year the BMW wagon was introduced in the USA, most people didn't even know what type of car it was. A lot of people asked me what type of hatchback is that?....LOL
BobBNY commented:
April 20, 2013, 11:34 am

I am working on a long term job assignment in Texas, just north of Houston. The area is crawling with mod - high end German cars..... AND 50+k pick-ups. I get more looks and possibly attitudes due to my NY plates more than anything. But generally I don't think anyone really cares. I had some interesting experiences driving down here on I-10 through Louisiana and East Texas with a few people trying to cut me off, etc.
PK2348 commented:
April 20, 2013, 11:41 am

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Originally Posted by jjcruiser View Post
I've had a similar experience with flashing lights at oncoming cars here in California (in New England this is standard "look out for the speed trap" warning)--no one seems to know what it is and most of them think I'm weird.

Fine then. Get a ticket.
I always do it when i have a chance, but not too many people in NY get it i think. A friend of mine got a ticket for it few years ago. He got caught by another cop sitting on the opposite side of the highway.
mrmcclain commented:
April 20, 2013, 11:43 am

Remember the Breaking Bad scene where Walter White burns up an obnoxious attorney's BMW 3 series? It captured the stereotype of that well but the attorney happened to have the Bimmer.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 20, 2013, 11:52 am

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Originally Posted by PK2348 View Post
I always do it when i have a chance, but not too many people in NY get it i think. A friend of mine got a ticket for it few years ago. He got caught by another cop sitting on the opposite side of the highway.
What did the cop say, what exactly do they refer to the tip off? He get a ticket for it?
PK2348 commented:
April 20, 2013, 12:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
What did the cop say, what exactly do they refer to the tip off? He get a ticket for it?
I don't recall the exact details, the cop knew what my friend was doing, but not sure if he could actually ticket him for that. But ff a cop wants to ticket you, he will ticket you. My friend ended up having to go to court to fight the ticket, at the end he agreed to a reduced fine for "malfunctioning equipment". This happened on Staten Island expressway.
ynguldyn commented:
April 20, 2013, 12:20 pm

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Originally Posted by PK2348 View Post
I don't recall the exact details, the cop knew what my friend was doing, but not sure if he could actually ticket him for that. But ff a cop wants to ticket you, he will ticket you. My friend ended up having to go to court to fight the ticket, at the end he agreed to a reduced fine for "malfunctioning equipment". This happened on Staten Island expressway.
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Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 20, 2013, 12:27 pm

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Originally Posted by PK2348 View Post
I don't recall the exact details, the cop knew what my friend was doing, but not sure if he could actually ticket him for that. But ff a cop wants to ticket you, he will ticket you. My friend ended up having to go to court to fight the ticket, at the end he agreed to a reduced fine for "malfunctioning equipment". This happened on Staten Island expressway.
Douchey.

What I come to expect from Staten Island(my in-laws live there).
PK2348 commented:
April 20, 2013, 12:54 pm

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Originally Posted by ynguldyn View Post
Love ACLU. Sometimes.
hans007 commented:
April 20, 2013, 3:38 pm

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Originally Posted by Supermax View Post
Haha yep, here in California practically nobody knows about it.

Oh I just remembered...on a recent trip to Russia, I discovered a new thing they have there. You have to drive like an asshole to get anywhere due to the absolutely insane, unbelievable traffic. Nobody ever lets anybody in. For those rare times when someone actually does, they turn on the hazard lights for 2 blinks. It means thank you.

I found that pretty interesting and actually really liked it. Would totally do it here, except people would think there's something wrong with my car

i think the reason for this generally is, all the streets / highways with posted speed limits at least in california urban areas are like 3-5 lanes each way.

you probably wouldn't notice someone flashing their lights like 5 lanes over from you.
Elk commented:
April 20, 2013, 3:51 pm

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Originally Posted by jjcruiser View Post
I tried doing the motorcycle warning for a cop of patting the head/helmet to a couple motorcyclists once, (I was driving an SUV at the time) and they both just looked at me weird.
I have done the same with exactly the same response. You want to help a fellow rider but are feel pretty helpless. I try to remember to flash my highbeams.

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
I don't think it's about being common. It's more along the lines of BMWs are vehicles that have a wide range of utilities. It can be the grocery getter, the mom mobile, the long trip car, the open it out car, etc The Ducati and the Corvette are more of enthusiest vehicles...Not that many people buy a vette as a daily driver (though some do) and the same goes for Ducati. So you get more of a kinship because chances are you know why someone bought either of those - to have fun.
Excellent point. I was thinking along the lines of classic car owners, owners of float planes, etc. - it is the rarity of see one's own kind which is fun. But in addition to being less common, they are all owned by enthusiasts -as you rightly point out.
streetfighterje commented:
April 20, 2013, 5:11 pm

tend to get a lot of people trying to race. which is a pain in the butt, all i'm trying to do is go to work lol
captainaudio commented:
April 20, 2013, 6:44 pm

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Iron_KK commented:
April 20, 2013, 7:13 pm

Well it all depends on what BMW model you drive, the reaction to a 328 will be different from that of an M6


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cblandin commented:
April 21, 2013, 5:58 pm

One interesting tidbit about BMWs (particularly the 3 series) is that their exterior appearance is classic, has evolved slowly and is relatively conservative. As a result, people often think that older models are newer than they really are. When I handed down my 97 328i to my son as his first car in high school (KBB value of under $5K at that time) I had all kinds of folks giving me grief for giving my son a "BMW" as his first car - they viewed it as extravagant. I was talking to a co-worker who thought so and then he relayed to me that he had just purchase a brand new Toyota for his daughter as her first car - spent something like $14K. I pointed out the cost delta of our two kids' cars with a "now who's extravagant?" jab (it was all good-natured).
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 21, 2013, 8:30 pm

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Originally Posted by cblandin View Post
One interesting tidbit about BMWs (particularly the 3 series) is that their exterior appearance is classic, has evolved slowly and is relatively conservative. As a result, people often think that older models are newer than they really are. When I handed down my 97 328i to my son as his first car in high school (KBB value of under $5K at that time) I had all kinds of folks giving me grief for giving my son a "BMW" as his first car - they viewed it as extravagant. I was talking to a co-worker who thought so and then he relayed to me that he had just purchase a brand new Toyota for his daughter as her first car - spent something like $14K. I pointed out the cost delta of our two kids' cars with a "now who's extravagant?" jab (it was all good-natured).
Not completely fair, as I doubt you can compare the cost of maintenance of a very old car, especially a BMW, to a spanking new one.
Likwid commented:
April 21, 2013, 8:33 pm

My experience was negative the entire time I owned my 335. People just treated me bad, and never got any compliments on the car at all. I get complimented on my current car every day. It's really weird that the BMW only seemed to atytract negative attention.
krash commented:
April 21, 2013, 8:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Db750 View Post
When I had my F30 loaner for a week I got a ton of looks, and they were almost all from e90 drivers.

Literally almost every e90 driver, as in 90%+, did the full turn around in your seat and endanger yourself, your passengers, and fellow motorist to get a better look. I started keeping track.
I notice that too.
EddieB commented:
April 21, 2013, 8:59 pm

E46 was the ****e-timeless. E90 sucked (drove one for a month) F30 has evolved again to a true Sports Luxury Sedan
Likwid commented:
April 21, 2013, 10:18 pm

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Originally Posted by EddieB View Post
E46 was the ****e-timeless. E90 sucked (drove one for a month) F30 has evolved again to a true Sports Luxury Sedan
I agree that the E46 is a classic, but the front end on the F30 makes me want to puke. They raised the hood line and could not figure out what to so with all that extra space below the headlights. It's terrible.
jtuds commented:
April 21, 2013, 10:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Likwid View Post
I agree that the E46 is a classic, but the front end on the F30 makes me want to puke. They raised the hood line and could not figure out what to so with all that extra space below the headlights. It's terrible.
If you feel that strongly about the f30's looks, I dont want to know what happens to you when you see a e90?
Likwid commented:
April 21, 2013, 10:33 pm

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Originally Posted by jtuds View Post
If you feel that strongly about the f30's looks, I dont want to know what happens to you when you see a e90?
I loved the front end of my e92. The e90 never looked good to me at all.
katfish1121 commented:
April 22, 2013, 12:40 am

where we live (North County St Louis Missouri) BMWs are no biggie. Other BMW drivers smile at me at stop lights and whatever. Curiously, in a parking lot, the BMWs tend to park in clusters. The other day I parked my X3 at the local eatery and when I came out, a Z3 was snuggled up to it, though there was plenty of parking.

On any given day, I will be in traffic behind a tractor, or a monster truck (BigFoot lives close by), a King Ranch, a Vette or a Bentley.
bmwshine commented:
April 22, 2013, 12:24 pm

The women turn there heads like the exorcist lol seriously it depends on what kind of bmw you have and where you are in Chicago. If you driving a new 650 coupe or sedan or 750 or 760 people are going to notice you are driving a $70;000+ vehicle but if you are downtown Chicago where there are $200,000+ vehicles you are in the game just in a different league. Bmw is better than Audi,we have a better lineup and are cars have a better driving performance than Audi and that's why we have the Ultimate Driving Machine don't forget that!
FreddyG commented:
April 22, 2013, 1:56 pm

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Originally Posted by bmwshine View Post
The women turn there heads like the exorcist lol seriously it depends on what kind of bmw you have and where you are in Chicago. If you driving a new 650 coupe or sedan or 750 or 760 people are going to notice you are driving a $70;000+ vehicle but if you are downtown Chicago where there are $200,000+ vehicles you are in the game just in a different league. Bmw is better than Audi,we have a better lineup and are cars have a better driving performance than Audi and that's why we have the Ultimate Driving Machine don't forget that!
I Respectfully disagree that BMW's are better than Audi's. We have both and I have to say that an RS car or an S car will run with ANY M Series (Real M-Series, not a 3 Series with M body parts).

I went to a track event that was sponsored by Audi and drove their Performance brand of cars both on the track and on the street, and when I came home, I was pumped up. I told my wife about it and she went and looked at the cars online, and a week later, we had a CPOed 2011 V8 S5 sitting in the garage. She likes the 335i, but she Loves the S5.

Audi interiors BLOW BMW Interiors Away. The materials are nicer, the layout is better, the all around feel of it is Much better than most any Bimmer that I've been in. They've actually won more than several awards for their interiors. Their AWD system is better too, especially with the sport differential.

Once again, not down playing BMW, because they build a Nice car, but I disagree about the Audi comment.
Bimmer4Fun commented:
April 22, 2013, 2:06 pm

Quite honestly, I've gotten more look overs and compliments when I had my Sonata Hybrid. Then again where I live, I see tons of beemers and I was probably the only person with the Sonata hybrid at the time. I haven't noticed anything bad feelings from other drivers. But I have noticed that I do drive more aggressively in the BMW.
maxpnc commented:
April 22, 2013, 2:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Bimmer4Fun View Post
Quite honestly, I've gotten more look overs and compliments when I had my Sonata Hybrid. Then again where I live, I see tons of beemers and I was probably the only person with the Sonata hybrid at the time. I haven't noticed anything bad feelings from other drivers. But I have noticed that I do drive more aggressively in the BMW.
I think it has a lot to do with the car's capability through, I would accelerate from stop moderately (under 3k rpm), and it would still leave other cars quite a bit behind. The better handling and smoother acceleration make it feel like you are not really pushing the car, however, in reality you are driving much more aggressively.
boltjaM3s commented:
April 22, 2013, 2:56 pm

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Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
I Respectfully disagree that BMW's are better than Audi's. We have both and I have to say that an RS car or an S car will run with ANY M Series (Real M-Series, not a 3 Series with M body parts).

I went to a track event that was sponsored by Audi and drove their Performance brand of cars both on the track and on the street, and when I came home, I was pumped up. I told my wife about it and she went and looked at the cars online, and a week later, we had a CPOed 2011 V8 S5 sitting in the garage. She likes the 335i, but she Loves the S5.

Audi interiors BLOW BMW Interiors Away. The materials are nicer, the layout is better, the all around feel of it is Much better than most any Bimmer that I've been in. They've actually won more than several awards for their interiors. Their AWD system is better too, especially with the sport differential.

Once again, not down playing BMW, because they build a Nice car, but I disagree about the Audi comment.
Pimp Volkswagen is still a Volkswagen.

BJ
Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 22, 2013, 3:24 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
I Respectfully disagree that BMW's are better than Audi's. We have both and I have to say that an RS car or an S car will run with ANY M Series (Real M-Series, not a 3 Series with M body parts).

I went to a track event that was sponsored by Audi and drove their Performance brand of cars both on the track and on the street, and when I came home, I was pumped up. I told my wife about it and she went and looked at the cars online, and a week later, we had a CPOed 2011 V8 S5 sitting in the garage. She likes the 335i, but she Loves the S5.

Audi interiors BLOW BMW Interiors Away. The materials are nicer, the layout is better, the all around feel of it is Much better than most any Bimmer that I've been in. They've actually won more than several awards for their interiors. Their AWD system is better too, especially with the sport differential.

Once again, not down playing BMW, because they build a Nice car, but I disagree about the Audi comment.
Taking reliability out of it, I would likely choose an S4 over an 335i

However, I do not think I have seen any professional comparison testing where an M3 lost to an competing Audi product whether it be an S or RS from the Audi camp.
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 22, 2013, 3:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
Taking reliability out of it, I would likely choose an S4 over an 335i

However, I do not think I have seen any professional comparison testing where an M3 lost to an competing Audi product whether it be an S or RS from the Audi camp.
It is worth noting that the vast majority of professionals testing such cars are used to RWD cars. Way back when the Audi Quattro hit the rally circuit, its drivers (Blomquist, Mouton, etc.) had to spend a lot of time experimenting and re-learning how to drive. Today's Audis are not quite as pig-nose-heavy as those older cars, but AWD cars require different driving technique. I am not claiming that is why the M3 always wins, but I suspect it plays some role in making the testers usually prefer the RWD cars.

There was even a post here a long time ago about a test on a tight indoors circuit, with the same pro driver piloting a RWD and then an AWD 911. He got a faster time with the AWD (not surprising on tight courses), but said he preferred the way RWD drove.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
April 22, 2013, 3:45 pm

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
It is worth noting that the vast majority of professionals testing such cars are used to RWD cars. Way back when the Audi Quattro hit the rally circuit, its drivers (Blomquist, Mouton, etc.) had to spend a lot of time experimenting and re-learning how to drive. Today's Audis are not quite as pig-nose-heavy as those older cars, but AWD cars require different driving technique. I am not claiming that is why the M3 always wins, but I suspect it plays some role in making the testers usually prefer the RWD cars.

There was even a post here a long time ago about a test on a tight indoors circuit, with the same pro driver piloting a RWD and then an AWD 911. He got a faster time with the AWD (not surprising on tight courses), but said he preferred the way RWD drove.
Think of the amount of cars these people review and test on tracks. There are plenty of AWD options from GTRs, R8, EVOs, 911s,STIs, and on and on. It's not like throwing the keys to your Uncle Bob and thinking he is some kind of expert on expelling performance and critiquing various drivetrain setups.

Fact is, when you look to racing outside of say Rally, RWD is the setup most utilized. There are a variety of reasons why that is so.
Titleist commented:
April 22, 2013, 4:22 pm

As the old saying goes, “What is the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?”……well “the porcupine has the pricks on the outside”……and I am a proud owner of a 750i and love being in the driver’s seat.
hans007 commented:
April 22, 2013, 4:29 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
I Respectfully disagree that BMW's are better than Audi's. We have both and I have to say that an RS car or an S car will run with ANY M Series (Real M-Series, not a 3 Series with M body parts).

I went to a track event that was sponsored by Audi and drove their Performance brand of cars both on the track and on the street, and when I came home, I was pumped up. I told my wife about it and she went and looked at the cars online, and a week later, we had a CPOed 2011 V8 S5 sitting in the garage. She likes the 335i, but she Loves the S5.

Audi interiors BLOW BMW Interiors Away. The materials are nicer, the layout is better, the all around feel of it is Much better than most any Bimmer that I've been in. They've actually won more than several awards for their interiors. Their AWD system is better too, especially with the sport differential.

Once again, not down playing BMW, because they build a Nice car, but I disagree about the Audi comment.
I disagree with you 100%.

I sold my 2010 A4 quattro sport premium plus to get a 2013 328i m-sport.

THe a4 had less power and the engine runs out of breath in the 90mph range (the 328i i've uh driven at over 125... and it just has a lot more power), it was much much more nose heavy. The interior isn't any better or worse. In fact the silver painted plastic that is all around the speedometer cluster in the A4 is pretty cheap looking. I'd say the textured aluminum on the A4 looks worse than the hexagon aluminum on my m-sport, but thats more subjective than anything.

Only thing about the interior of the A4 I'd say is really obviously better is the cup holders are in a more convenient place (behind the shifter, the BMW large cups hit the center stack... this would be a very very minor issue)

audi's are decent cars and have good interiors, but they dont blow away anything from bmw. if you like driving a nose heavy "planted" car then I guess thats just your thing, but the bmws feel a lot better to drive in my opinion.
Chris90 commented:
April 22, 2013, 4:48 pm

Whenever I see or read a review (in CAR, EVO, 5th gear, Top Gear) of an S4 or RS4, it's always the same:

Fast
Great interior
Easy to drive
Understeers
No steering feel
Not very involving

I've almost stopped reading them.
fradzz commented:
April 22, 2013, 9:17 pm

Here in the south I think most people tend to be polite. And if I remember that too many people are living paycheck to paycheck and driving a piece of crap car, and I remember to smile and return good manners while I realize how blessed I am to be healthy and drive a really nice good looking car, I fi my karma is usually greeted with 'nice wheels man'.
fradzz commented:
April 22, 2013, 9:17 pm

Here in the south I think most people tend to be polite. And if I remember that too many people are living paycheck to paycheck and driving a piece of crap car, and I remember to smile and return good manners while I realize how blessed I am to be healthy and drive a really nice good looking car, I find my karma is usually greeted with 'nice wheels man'.
cblandin commented:
April 22, 2013, 11:24 pm

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
Not completely fair, as I doubt you can compare the cost of maintenance of a very old car, especially a BMW, to a spanking new one.
Um, I'm pretty sure I wasn't going to encounter $9K in maintenance costs especially as a DIYer! Heck, my son is now driving a 97 M3 and right after I got it we did a preventative cooling system overhaul and clutch replacement. Since that time it has needed 1 power steering hose, a brake pedal sensor and a fuse in 18 months.
chris328 commented:
April 23, 2013, 11:21 am

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Originally Posted by hans007 View Post
I disagree with you 100%.

I sold my 2010 A4 quattro sport premium plus to get a 2013 328i m-sport.

THe a4 had less power and the engine runs out of breath in the 90mph range (the 328i i've uh driven at over 125... and it just has a lot more power), it was much much more nose heavy. The interior isn't any better or worse. In fact the silver painted plastic that is all around the speedometer cluster in the A4 is pretty cheap looking. I'd say the textured aluminum on the A4 looks worse than the hexagon aluminum on my m-sport, but thats more subjective than anything.

Only thing about the interior of the A4 I'd say is really obviously better is the cup holders are in a more convenient place (behind the shifter, the BMW large cups hit the center stack... this would be a very very minor issue)

audi's are decent cars and have good interiors, but they dont blow away anything from bmw. if you like driving a nose heavy "planted" car then I guess thats just your thing, but the bmws feel a lot better to drive in my opinion.
ive never driven an audi and i just never really liked them. people around here like to throw around the terms "entry level" and "entry level luxury" and to me audi has always defined that. its a way for people to look kind-of-rich but save money at the same time... thats why the s5 with its proud badge is priced similarly to a 335.

also my cousin just wrecked her X5 and got an audi coupe as a temporary replacement, even coming from an SUV she said the audi felt unconnected and wasnt fun to drive.
FreddyG commented:
April 23, 2013, 11:30 am

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
Pimp Volkswagen is still a Volkswagen.

BJ
Pimp Bentley or Lamborghini is still a Volkswagen too, they also own 20% of Porsche too. Oh, I forgot they also own Bugatti.

Kind of blows that theory out of the water huh?

Back to our regularly scheduled program!
bmwdmb1 commented:
April 23, 2013, 12:47 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
I Respectfully disagree that BMW's are better than Audi's. We have both and I have to say that an RS car or an S car will run with ANY M Series (Real M-Series, not a 3 Series with M body parts).

I went to a track event that was sponsored by Audi and drove their Performance brand of cars both on the track and on the street, and when I came home, I was pumped up. I told my wife about it and she went and looked at the cars online, and a week later, we had a CPOed 2011 V8 S5 sitting in the garage. She likes the 335i, but she Loves the S5.

Audi interiors BLOW BMW Interiors Away. The materials are nicer, the layout is better, the all around feel of it is Much better than most any Bimmer that I've been in. They've actually won more than several awards for their interiors. Their AWD system is better too, especially with the sport differential.

Once again, not down playing BMW, because they build a Nice car, but I disagree about the Audi comment.
As a current, and until now, very loyal Audi owner, I would argue that the years of the truly great Audi interiors have come to an end. While shopping for a new vehicle I naturally went to Audi first but their interiors just didn't do it for me any more...they just looked and felt a bit "cheap"...too much shiny black plastic bits and bland silver expanses etc. IMO after the b6/b7 generation things started to slide a bit. A lot might have to due with Audi's US double digit growth kick...focusing more on high volume models and unfortunately dropping cars like all the avants (A and S) and the RS4, which just rubs me wrong.

Other the other hand when I looked at the new F30s I felt that BMW had made a large leap forward with interior quality. Night and day from previous generations.

I will agree Quattro is better than x-drive from what I have seen, but it is discouraging that now in order to get Quattro if I recall you have to jump straight to the top trim on the A4...I seem to recall when it was difficult not to get Quattro on an Audi. Oh well.

Mind you I certainly don't hate Audi and will gladly consider them again for my next vehicle, but BMW won this round for me.

Needless to say, I am keeping my b6 S4...and have a new F30 is on the way as a daily driver.
bmwtogo commented:
April 23, 2013, 9:45 pm

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Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
As the old saying goes, “What is the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?”……well “the porcupine has the pricks on the outside”……and I am a proud owner of a 750i and love being in the driver’s seat.
That's cool enough. I like my 328i and we blow the doors off the Granny cars out here
bmwtogo commented:
April 23, 2013, 9:49 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by fradzz View Post
Here in the south I think most people tend to be polite. And if I remember that too many people are living paycheck to paycheck and driving a piece of crap car, and I remember to smile and return good manners while I realize how blessed I am to be healthy and drive a really nice good looking car, I find my karma is usually greeted with 'nice wheels man'.
I get the same thing. Like people might ask where I bought the car or how much I paid for it and they are usually pretty cool. Once in awhie, I do the beauty pageant wave at someone if they annoy me lol. I try to be nice to those stuck driving less fortunate cars
sayzar commented:
April 23, 2013, 10:29 pm

I get a lot of head turns when people are crossing while I'm waiting on a red light, to me the BMW has a wicked looking front head lights, I was lucky to order my 328 with the xenon lights and I also replace the kindly grill to all black.
rmjames007 commented:
April 24, 2013, 9:44 am

I think many people on this forum are right. 3's and 5's are just too common and 1's are falling into that same range. I have a 135 and all i see is 128 coupes and verts. I got the Peformance Stripes and Changed out the Rims to really make the Car stand out.
114FE commented:
April 24, 2013, 9:46 am

Most folks always saw us in a Rolls-Royce. ( Our every day cars from 1965 to 2012).
They seem shocked/surprised.
The 2012 750iX frankly surpasses the former cars as to looks. ease of geting in and out, price, DEPENDABLITY.
mr29 commented:
April 24, 2013, 12:41 pm

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Originally Posted by rmjames007 View Post
I think many people on this forum are right. 3's and 5's are just too common and 1's are falling into that same range. I have a 135 and all i see is 128 coupes and verts. I got the Peformance Stripes and Changed out the Rims to really make the Car stand out.
i see 3's. 5's. a few 7's.a 6.never seen a 128 or 135 around here
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 25, 2013, 2:39 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
Think of the amount of cars these people review and test on tracks. There are plenty of AWD options from GTRs, R8, EVOs, 911s,STIs, and on and on. It's not like throwing the keys to your Uncle Bob and thinking he is some kind of expert on expelling performance and critiquing various drivetrain setups.

Fact is, when you look to racing outside of say Rally, RWD is the setup most utilized. There are a variety of reasons why that is so.
There are indeed many good reasons it is so. And that is what the testers are really used to. Merely test driving AWD cars here and there doesn't make them expert AWD drivers. At least I don't think so.
FreddyG commented:
April 25, 2013, 11:34 am

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Originally Posted by chris328 View Post
ive never driven an audi and i just never really liked them. people around here like to throw around the terms "entry level" and "entry level luxury" and to me audi has always defined that. its a way for people to look kind-of-rich but save money at the same time... thats why the s5 with its proud badge is priced similarly to a 335.

also my cousin just wrecked her X5 and got an audi coupe as a temporary replacement, even coming from an SUV she said the audi felt unconnected and wasnt fun to drive.
I wish that I'd have talked to you before buying our S5 if they are priced around a 335i, because our CPO'ed one was out of that range. Granted, we got a 2011 (last year for a V8 with all of the good options, such as Sports differential PDC,backup camera, and B&O sound.....which rocks by the way). It had 5100 miles on it, which doesn't help our case in getting the car cheaper either. Maybe we paid too much also, but it's my wife's favorite car to drive Ever, so that to me makes it worth it.

Is it the perfect car.............Nope, but what car is?

We changed the rear sway to a Stasis (helped with understeer ALOT), put on an alu-Kreuz rear dif stabilizer and are thinking of adding a twin turbo setup to it now too. That should make it close to perfect to me. We basically took away the understeer, low powered car and made it a supercar.

In closing, once again, I don't care if Audi, BMW any other brand drivers like what we have because we didn't buy it to impress anyone. We bought them because:

1) we liked them
2) Are blessed enough to be able to afford what we like.

Sorry about the Audi rant. It almost made me forget that I was on a BMW forum..............Just Kidding!

Enough with the Audi's now! Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

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I disagree with you 100%.

I sold my 2010 A4 quattro sport premium plus to get a 2013 328i m-sport.

THe a4 had less power and the engine runs out of breath in the 90mph range (the 328i i've uh driven at over 125... and it just has a lot more power), it was much much more nose heavy. The interior isn't any better or worse. In fact the silver painted plastic that is all around the speedometer cluster in the A4 is pretty cheap looking. I'd say the textured aluminum on the A4 looks worse than the hexagon aluminum on my m-sport, but thats more subjective than anything.

Only thing about the interior of the A4 I'd say is really obviously better is the cup holders are in a more convenient place (behind the shifter, the BMW large cups hit the center stack... this would be a very very minor issue)

audi's are decent cars and have good interiors, but they dont blow away anything from bmw. if you like driving a nose heavy "planted" car then I guess thats just your thing, but the bmws feel a lot better to drive in my opinion.
I Appreciate your comparison because at least you have actually owned both and are stating a fair opinion, rather than just saying....."Audi, VW, name your car brand here Sucks".

You are comparing a car that is three years older than your current BMW though. Alot can change in three years. Heck, Alot can change in one year. Take the change from the E90 to the F30 for example. Two compltely different cars. I do agree on the cup holders though. A more fair comparison would be a new S4 to the 3 Series. I do like the 3 Series over that A4 series too. They look nicer and drive well too.

I also respectfully disagree that the interiors aren't better though, but maybe it's because I'm comparing our S5 to the entry level BMW (335i Luxury) that is sitting next to it in our garage. The leather is leaps and bounds more comfortable to us in the Audi, but the BMW will hold up better in the long haul.

Once again, just my opinion.
Camryguy commented:
April 27, 2013, 10:40 am

People really notice my Camry. 1994, Beige with Beige interior, GOLD PACKAGE. I think the gold package is what really gets them. They want to know where I live and see the inside of my house. The other day I was driving along and the hood flew open. I just kept driving looking between the hood and the cowl until I got to the next stop sign. You should try that some time in your BMW if you want to attract a little attention.

The other day I filled the radiator back up. I have a small leak that requires periodic attention. Then I went to the BMW center to see if the 4 series had arrived yet. When I pulled in the extra coolant appeared as steam coming from the crack in the upper part of the radiator. Once the BMW guys could see that the Camry's days may be numbered they all raced out to the lot hoping to be the one I would buy from.

Happy Motoring!
shag commented:
April 27, 2013, 10:50 am

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Originally Posted by Camryguy View Post
People really notice my Camry. 1994, Beige with Beige interior, GOLD PACKAGE. I think the gold package is what really gets them. They want to know where I live and see the inside of my house. The other day I was driving along and the hood flew open. I just kept driving looking between the hood and the cowl until I got to the next stop sign. You should try that some time in your BMW if you want to attract a little attention.

The other day I filled the radiator back up. I have a small leak that requires periodic attention. Then I went to the BMW center to see if the 4 series had arrived yet. When I pulled in the extra coolant appeared as steam coming from the crack in the upper part of the radiator. Once the BMW guys could see that the Camry's days may be numbered they all raced out to the lot hoping to be the one I would buy from.

Happy Motoring!
Mr.750 commented:
April 27, 2013, 10:51 am

Some of these BMW owners need to come to Iowa!!! In my 2-3 years of really avidly looking for BMW's everytime I go out driving, I have only seen 1 F-01 that wasn't on a dealers lot, I haven't seen more than half a dozen E65/E66 and I have only seen about 3 6er's. 3s and 5s are kinda common, and by that I mean I may see 2 a week(E46'S and E60's). Have yet to see my first F10 in Iowa. It probably doesn't help that the nearest dealership is an hour away from where I live and the largest city beside me doesn't even have a BMW dealership..
TacticalBassist commented:
April 27, 2013, 12:56 pm

For those of us who think kids driving late model Bimmers are spoiled... this Ferrari 575M was being driven by a kid who couldn't be a day over 17. Same for his passenger and his buddy in the SL500 next to it.

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114FE commented:
April 27, 2013, 3:13 pm

Changed the appearance of my 750iX by removing the lettering on the right side of the (boot) trunk.
HAVE HAD AT LEAST 10 INQUIRIES AS TO WHAT "rare" EUROPEAN MODEL IT IS.
LOTS OF FUN
Snareman commented:
April 28, 2013, 2:12 pm

someone threw an egg at my car last night. Nice. Coulnd't figure out why there was yellow stuff on the door today. Then I saw the shell parts. I'm assuming it was while I was in in buying food late at night. Its apparently smart if you are going to do something to someone's car to do it on the passenger side where they likely won't notice for awhile. I don't think I pissed anyone off on the way into the store. Not sure what motivates people to do these sorts of things. Off to the car wash...
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 28, 2013, 2:26 pm

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Originally Posted by bmwdmb1 View Post
While shopping for a new vehicle I naturally went to Audi first but their interiors just didn't do it for me any more...they just looked and felt a bit "cheap"...too much shiny black plastic bits and bland silver expanses etc.
I also disliked the "silver expanses", but you probably haven't checked the B8.5 (the 2013 refresh of the A4). It has less of it (or almost none if you go for the brown dash), the leather is of higher quality (none of that Dakota stuff), and everything is just a little nicer than pre-refresh.

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... but it is discouraging that now in order to get Quattro if I recall you have to jump straight to the top trim on the A4
You are completely wrong. It would had taken all of 30 seconds to check the Audi website, you would have found that all trims of the A4 can be had with or without quattro. If you don't know something that basic, just how seriously should we take your claim that you actually shopped for Audis first?
bmwdmb1 commented:
April 28, 2013, 3:50 pm

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
I also disliked the "silver expanses", but you probably haven't checked the B8.5 (the 2013 refresh of the A4). It has less of it (or almost none if you go for the brown dash), the leather is of higher quality (none of that Dakota stuff), and everything is just a little nicer than pre-refresh.



You are completely wrong. It would had taken all of 30 seconds to check the Audi website, you would have found that all trims of the A4 can be had with or without quattro. If you don't know something that basic, just how seriously should we take your claim that you actually shopped for Audis first?

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Looking at the Audi site again it's odd, right at the start it looks like it is available at all trim levels but if you use the "trimline" and "transmission" filters on the left side...as I originally did when quickly browsing...it only gives a FWD option. Goofy functionality if you ask me...

-=Hot|Ice=- commented:
April 28, 2013, 4:16 pm

I'm sorta glad that my car flies under the radar....Well, somewhat.
hans007 commented:
April 28, 2013, 5:22 pm

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Originally Posted by FreddyG View Post
I wish that I'd have talked to you before buying our S5 if they are priced around a 335i, because our CPO'ed one was out of that range. Granted, we got a 2011 (last year for a V8 with all of the good options, such as Sports differential PDC,backup camera, and B&O sound.....which rocks by the way). It had 5100 miles on it, which doesn't help our case in getting the car cheaper either. Maybe we paid too much also, but it's my wife's favorite car to drive Ever, so that to me makes it worth it.

Is it the perfect car.............Nope, but what car is?

We changed the rear sway to a Stasis (helped with understeer ALOT), put on an alu-Kreuz rear dif stabilizer and are thinking of adding a twin turbo setup to it now too. That should make it close to perfect to me. We basically took away the understeer, low powered car and made it a supercar.

In closing, once again, I don't care if Audi, BMW any other brand drivers like what we have because we didn't buy it to impress anyone. We bought them because:

1) we liked them
2) Are blessed enough to be able to afford what we like.

Sorry about the Audi rant. It almost made me forget that I was on a BMW forum..............Just Kidding!

Enough with the Audi's now! Back to our regularly scheduled programming.



I Appreciate your comparison because at least you have actually owned both and are stating a fair opinion, rather than just saying....."Audi, VW, name your car brand here Sucks".

You are comparing a car that is three years older than your current BMW though. Alot can change in three years. Heck, Alot can change in one year. Take the change from the E90 to the F30 for example. Two compltely different cars. I do agree on the cup holders though. A more fair comparison would be a new S4 to the 3 Series. I do like the 3 Series over that A4 series too. They look nicer and drive well too.

I also respectfully disagree that the interiors aren't better though, but maybe it's because I'm comparing our S5 to the entry level BMW (335i Luxury) that is sitting next to it in our garage. The leather is leaps and bounds more comfortable to us in the Audi, but the BMW will hold up better in the long haul.

Once again, just my opinion.
As far as I can tell the 2013 a4 and a 2010 are more or less identical other than the headlight and taillights are slightly different and its got an 8 speed now instead of a 6 which they changed in 2011. Still the same b8 model just refreshed.

Can I compare a f30 to a 2016 a4 or something? Its the only way you can compare them.

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PK2348 commented:
April 28, 2013, 6:49 pm

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Originally Posted by Camryguy View Post
People really notice my Camry. 1994, Beige with Beige interior, GOLD PACKAGE. I think the gold package is what really gets them. They want to know where I live and see the inside of my house. The other day I was driving along and the hood flew open. I just kept driving looking between the hood and the cowl until I got to the next stop sign. You should try that some time in your BMW if you want to attract a little attention.

The other day I filled the radiator back up. I have a small leak that requires periodic attention. Then I went to the BMW center to see if the 4 series had arrived yet. When I pulled in the extra coolant appeared as steam coming from the crack in the upper part of the radiator. Once the BMW guys could see that the Camry's days may be numbered they all raced out to the lot hoping to be the one I would buy from.

Happy Motoring!

happened to me in a buick many years ago
Brotmang commented:
April 28, 2013, 9:15 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Lined View Post
0 girls have shown interest in my car. However, every now and then some dude with roll down his window and tell me nice car or give the thumbs up....could care less.

Disclaimer: I'm not an ugly dude either. Women seem to like Audi drivers I guess
Damn, my cars have gotten me a lot of girls actually, or at least were conversation starters back when I was single. Actually, the first day I met my current GF who is a car FANATIC, the first thing she mentioned was my car.

I used to stand out when I drove a 5 series when I was 15 years old haha. I live in a town which is listed in the top 25 most wealthy towns in the USA (not bragging at all, just using the info for the thread)... So, I DO NOT stand out next to Bugattis and Lambos...

That being said, kids/young adults, including the rich ones with nicer cars than mine, REALLY like my new 2012 F30 Modern Line and have been getting compliments daily. So ya, when I drive out of my county I get some good attention, at home I kind of just blend in. I just remembered a lady at the doctor's office who came up to my window saying how nice my car was and asked if it was a 7 series
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 28, 2013, 9:15 pm

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Originally Posted by bmwdmb1 View Post
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Mea culpa. It was a completely uncalled for reaction to an innocent oversight. I was in a foul mood this morning (not that it's an excuse).
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 28, 2013, 9:18 pm

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Originally Posted by hans007 View Post
As far as I can tell the 2013 a4 and a 2010 are more or less identical other than the headlight and taillights are slightly different and its got an 8 speed now instead of a 6 which they changed in 2011. Still the same b8 model just refreshed.
Refreshed a little inside as well.

bmwdmb1 was right that the interior of the B8 wasn't quite exactly to the level of the previous models. However, mechanically it was a better car, with less weight on the nose and an AWD system that was permanently biased 60% to the rear.
bmwdmb1 commented:
April 28, 2013, 9:28 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
Mea culpa. It was a completely uncalled for reaction to an innocent oversight. I was in a foul mood this morning (not that it's an excuse).
No problem, happens to the best of us. Cheers
EddieB commented:
April 28, 2013, 11:17 pm

People's reaction should be: wow you have a BMW and it's an automatic? That is sacrilege :-)
bmw_or_audi commented:
April 29, 2013, 12:20 am

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Originally Posted by bmwdmb1 View Post
No problem, happens to the best of us. Cheers
hans007 commented:
April 29, 2013, 12:40 am

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
Refreshed a little inside as well.

bmwdmb1 was right that the interior of the B8 wasn't quite exactly to the level of the previous models. However, mechanically it was a better car, with less weight on the nose and an AWD system that was permanently biased 60% to the rear.
From what I've read the only difference interior wise is mmi models have slightly different controls.

I had a b7 loaner once ( when one of my cars fuel injector failed....) and I'd say I preferred the b8 interior overall . I would say they were roughly equivalent except the b8 I think the worst thing was the cheap plastic silver around the gauges (which is piano black on say an s4 and much nicer looking). I agree with you on the leather though. The leather package on the Audi is a lot better than BMW dakota

But yeah I think the weight balance was something like 56/44 and the suspensions are tuned for understeer and I read its because longtime Audi buyers are used to that. For most people its a fine car if anything they like the under steer because its predictable and they will say it feels "stable". My cousin also has a 2010 a4 , a fwd CVT sport model and he thinks it handles great and is sporty and I'm figuring that's what most people believe and they are happy. I don't know I gave it a chance and Id say BMWs chassis is just more alive and tuned to feel much more neutral. I guess it depends on the driver but I'm guessing most of us in this thread prefer the BMW driving dynamics=)

Anyway enough Audi talk. Except this last thing.

A random guy in an f150 came up to me the other day to tell me he thought the little puddle lights on the door handles of my f30 were awesome. So a good BMW experience . And no Audi doesn't have that !
lqaddict commented:
April 29, 2013, 6:35 am

I was once complimented as I opened the door of my car: "Rich mother****er!" by a NYC hillbilly equivalent in a ran down van.


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TacticalBassist commented:
April 29, 2013, 7:06 am

Saturday night I had to give someone in a lifted Jeep the universal sign that he was number one. I don't know if this guy was drunk or just an idiot, but I was making a right turn and this guy came up out of nowhere and about rear ends me. He goes around at the last minute and passes me in a turn lane. If there's one thing I absolutely cannot stand, it's people that are too impatient to slow down for others to turn.

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408Racer commented:
April 29, 2013, 12:44 pm

You let a lifted Jeep pass you in a turn?
TacticalBassist commented:
April 29, 2013, 1:28 pm

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You let a lifted Jeep pass you in a turn?
Well I'd rather him pass me than rear end me at 50+ mph.

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HugH commented:
April 29, 2013, 2:25 pm

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Originally Posted by EddieB View Post
People's reaction should be: wow you have a BMW and it's an automatic? That is sacrilege :-)
He, he, most people around these parts of Texas don't have an inkling what in the heck is a manual transmission. Oh, many have heard old cars trivia about old cars having a sort of contraction like that
TacticalBassist commented:
May 10, 2013, 11:30 pm

I went out tonight just to go for a drive and had two separate run-ins with asshats. The first one was a guy in a brand new Mercedes C-class. He decided that me going 5 over wasn't fast enough, so he passed me IN A TURN LANE in a residential area. I gave him the universal sign that he was number 1. He then proceeded to run a red light so that I wasn't stopped behind him. I eventually caught up to him and rode behind him for a couple of miles with my brights on.

My second run-in with stupidity was with a woman in a Durango. She decided she didn't want to be behind a BMW so she went flying past me going at least 80mph. She got stuck at a red turn arrow so I honked and waved as I passed by.

I swear, the people in this town are awful.
TacticalBassist commented:
May 10, 2013, 11:31 pm

Double post
fradzz commented:
May 11, 2013, 2:33 am

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Originally Posted by TacticalBassist View Post
I went out tonight just to go for a drive and had two separate run-ins with asshats. The first one was a guy in a brand new Mercedes C-class. He decided that me going 5 over wasn't fast enough, so he passed me IN A TURN LANE in a residential area. I gave him the universal sign that he was number 1. He then proceeded to run a red light so that I wasn't stopped behind him. I eventually caught up to him and rode behind him for a couple of miles with my brights on.

My second run-in with stupidity was with a woman in a Durango. She decided she didn't want to be behind a BMW so she went flying past me going at least 80mph. She got stuck at a red turn arrow so I honked and waved as I passed by.

I swear, the people in this town are awful.
Dude no offense but what I'm hearing is you really need to speed up and act like you drive a drivers car that is safe and hauls assss.
Mark K commented:
May 11, 2013, 5:50 am

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Originally Posted by fradzz View Post
Dude no offense but what I'm hearing is you really need to speed up and act like you drive a drivers car that is safe and hauls assss.
+1

TacticalBassist, you were passed. Nothing happened. Nobody died. No children were hurt and no blue whales got extinct. What's with reacting to being passed?

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kmorgan_260 commented:
May 11, 2013, 7:16 am

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Originally Posted by TacticalBassist View Post
. I eventually caught up to him and rode behind him for a couple of miles with my brights on.
Who's the A$$hat?
TacticalBassist commented:
May 11, 2013, 9:08 am

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Originally Posted by Mark K View Post
+1

TacticalBassist, you were passed. Nothing happened. Nobody died. No children were hurt and no blue whales got extinct. What's with reacting to being passed?

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I"m being passed illegally, in residential areas. That's what pisses me off. I don't drive slow, I was doing 5 over the limit. There was no passing lane, the guy used the turn lane to pass.




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Who's the A$$hat?
The guy using turn lanes in front of people's houses to pass cars doing the speed limit, running red lights, and doing 20 over through residential areas. Maybe I shouldn't have gotten behind him with my brights on, but I'm sick of the BS in this town. Cops are never in the right place.




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Originally Posted by fradzz View Post
Dude no offense but what I'm hearing is you really need to speed up and act like you drive a drivers car that is safe and hauls assss.
I was going 5 over in a residential area. What more do you want?

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katfish1121 commented:
May 11, 2013, 11:34 am

I took my 328i to the Farm and Home and hauled 40 lb of chicken scratch home in it. I also hauled plants, dirt, and etc.

It's an awesome driving machine AND mini hauling vehicle.

I live in an area where people like nice cars. No one is rich but everyone takes care of what they have. On my road, I am likely to have a John Deere tractor and a Bentley waiting for the same stop light. So far we have encountered no hostility.

People will come up behind me (in heavy traffic) then zip around, but that's their problem.
SWMOChris commented:
May 11, 2013, 1:21 pm

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Originally Posted by katfish1121 View Post
On my road, I am likely to have a John Deere tractor and a Bentley waiting for the same stop light. So far we have encountered no hostility.
Is it bad then when I read this (before I saw your location) that I thought you'd be pretty close to me? The same applies here, but perhaps to a lesser degree. A Bentley would be pretty rare to find around these parts.

I don't have a BMW.....yet...... but plan on having one by the end of the year, I'm waiting for the 14's to come out. There are quite a few Bimmers around here, and I have had friends that have owned them for many years in this area and they say that they don't notice anyone reacting differently to them than they would to anyone else in our area.
katfish1121 commented:
May 11, 2013, 2:30 pm

Missourian? Me too! I live just outside of st. Louis. This Saturday I counted 8 bmws , bunch of audis and saabs , jag or three, many Benzs and VWs. plus the usual faceplates AND some Saturns plus an AMC Eagle!
Noone much frets over brand as much as condition. I have had my previous cars marked "wash me" in parking lots.

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lqaddict commented:
May 11, 2013, 3:00 pm

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Originally Posted by TacticalBassist View Post
I eventually caught up to him and rode behind him for a couple of miles with my brights on.
.
You are asking for this
http://youtu.be/dyfgYhVXG18


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TacticalBassist commented:
May 11, 2013, 3:11 pm

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Originally Posted by lqaddict View Post
You are asking for this
http://youtu.be/dyfgYhVXG18

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I didn't do anything to provoke what he did. I was obeying the law, and he acted like an idiot. Like I said before, I probably shouldn't have followed him, but it pisses me off to see people going 20 over the speed limit through neighborhoods. This is such a small town, you would think people would have more respect for one another.

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lqaddict commented:
May 11, 2013, 3:39 pm

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Originally Posted by TacticalBassist View Post
I didn't do anything to provoke what he did. I was obeying the law, and he acted like an idiot. Like I said before, I probably shouldn't have followed him, but it pisses me off to see people going 20 over the speed limit through neighborhoods. This is such a small town, you would think people would have more respect for one another.

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I hear you, but let them act as idiots as long as they are not a danger to yourself. You think you thought him a lesson by riding his royal @$$ with your high beams on?
I guess I am a little bit more conservative when it comes to road rage, I just ignore them, and stay as far away from them as possible.
Yes there are situations where you cannot really escape, i.e. driving on a one lane road with traffic in front of you and some idiot laying on the horn behind you riding your bumper - I had a few encounters like this in the Battery Brooklyn Tunnel, whatever its name now, I just downshift if traffic permits and enjoy the exhaust music coming off my tail pipe
TacticalBassist commented:
May 11, 2013, 4:07 pm

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Originally Posted by lqaddict View Post
I hear you, but let them act as idiots as long as they are not a danger to yourself. You think you thought him a lesson by riding his royal @$$ with your high beams on?
I guess I am a little bit more conservative when it comes to road rage, I just ignore them, and stay as far away from them as possible.
Yes there are situations where you cannot really escape, i.e. driving on a one lane road with traffic in front of you and some idiot laying on the horn behind you riding your bumper - I had a few encounters like this in the Battery Brooklyn Tunnel, whatever its name now, I just downshift if traffic permits and enjoy the exhaust music coming off my tail pipe
Well you have a lot more patience for idiots than I do. I do feel like I proved to him that I could get to the same place he was going at the same time he got there without breaking the law. That probably pissed him off more than the high beams.

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Gerry1314 commented:
May 12, 2013, 5:17 am

LOL When some of these SUV owners follow me too closely, or other car drivers have their high beams on, I simply lower my rear view mirror so there is no glare in my face, and go about my business.
rmjames007 commented:
May 12, 2013, 6:50 am

I agree. There are so many BMWs out there I think they are scene as an upgraded Honda. They still carry the panache of driving one. But I don't feel any more exclusive. One of the trade offs with being successful and gaining a larger market share

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BlueF30 commented:
May 12, 2013, 12:01 pm

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Originally Posted by TacticalBassist View Post
I didn't do anything to provoke what he did. I was obeying the law, and he acted like an idiot. Like I said before, I probably shouldn't have followed him, but it pisses me off to see people going 20 over the speed limit through neighborhoods. This is such a small town, you would think people would have more respect for one another.

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Sounds like you want to be in law enforcement. Maybe try for the police academy.
fradzz commented:
May 15, 2013, 5:12 pm

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Originally Posted by EddieB View Post
People's reaction should be: wow you have a BMW and it's an automatic? That is sacrilege :-)
I used to agree with you, but living in Atlanta, it's 'you bought a straight drive, are you an idiot?'
Too since Porsche's Automatic/shiftable in the 90's it's more acceptable?
But mostly it's the traffic.
408Racer commented:
May 15, 2013, 5:18 pm

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Originally Posted by fradzz View Post
I used to agree with you, but living in Atlanta, it's 'you bought a straight drive, are you an idiot?'
Too since Porsche's Automatic/shiftable in the 90's it's more acceptable?
But mostly it's the traffic.
I really don't see how manual transmission cars are more of a pain to drive in heavy traffic. I think that most people who use the "traffic" excuse don't really know how to drive stick and/or truly prefer driving an automatic. The same way that I dismiss Emma Watson as not really being "my type."
fradzz commented:
May 15, 2013, 5:20 pm

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Originally Posted by TacticalBassist View Post
I"m being passed illegally, in residential areas. That's what pisses me off. I don't drive slow, I was doing 5 over the limit. There was no passing lane, the guy used the turn lane to pass.






The guy using turn lanes in front of people's houses to pass cars doing the speed limit, running red lights, and doing 20 over through residential areas. Maybe I shouldn't have gotten behind him with my brights on, but I'm sick of the BS in this town. Cops are never in the right place.






I was going 5 over in a residential area. What more do you want?

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5 miles over? You call that speeding? Don't drive in the ATL and damn sure don't get in front of me if that's your mentality.
Turn lanes in front of houses, that's different.
You sound like a prius owner really.
BmwFlooner commented:
May 15, 2013, 5:24 pm

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I really don't see how manual transmission cars are more of a pain to drive in heavy traffic. I think that most people who use the "traffic" excuse don't really know how to drive stick and/or truly prefer driving an automatic. The same way that I dismiss Emma Watson as not really being "my type."
In all my years of driving in the big city, I've really only cried out for an automatic once. Traffic slow enough you barely have time to disengage the clutch before it stops again, and then resumes before you have time to rest your leg, for 3 hours. I could kick through concrete walls after that.
fradzz commented:
May 15, 2013, 5:33 pm

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In all my years of driving in the big city, I've really only cried out for an automatic once. Traffic slow enough you barely have time to disengage the clutch before it stops again, and then resumes before you have time to rest your leg, for 3 hours. I could kick through concrete walls after that.

Yeah, whatever.
Reminds of that time...
TacticalBassist commented:
May 15, 2013, 5:35 pm

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5 miles over? You call that speeding? Don't drive in the ATL and damn sure don't get in front of me if that's your mentality.
Turn lanes in front of houses, that's different.
You sound like a prius owner really.
So I'm supposed to just drive at minimum 15mph over the speed limit through a residential area. That's not right. And trust me, when I'm on a busy street or highway, I go with the flow of traffic.

The way you're talking, you wouldn't last 10 minutes in my town. The norm for people here is 10 under the speed limit.

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fradzz commented:
May 15, 2013, 5:42 pm

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So I'm supposed to just drive at minimum 15mph over the speed limit through a residential area. That's not right. And trust me, when I'm on a busy street or highway, I go with the flow of traffic.

The way you're talking, you wouldn't last 10 minutes in my town. The norm for people here is 10 under the speed limit.

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Yeah I wouldn't enjoy driving there, and no don't drive beyond your abilities but shinning folks with your brights is not cool. And where you live it was probably somebody's grandmother. You could've killed her. lol
And we wonder why some people don't like us bimmer drivers.
BmwFlooner commented:
May 15, 2013, 5:49 pm

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Yeah, whatever.
Reminds of that time...
Drive what's most fun for you. If that's no longer a manual, more power to you. I still have a greater % of time that I enjoy having a manual than don't.
fradzz commented:
May 15, 2013, 5:58 pm

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Originally Posted by 408Racer View Post
I really don't see how manual transmission cars are more of a pain to drive in heavy traffic. I think that most people who use the "traffic" excuse don't really know how to drive stick and/or truly prefer driving an automatic. The same way that I dismiss Emma Watson as not really being "my type."
Hey dude, I don't know who Emma Watson is but if you're gay, that's totally cool. I don't think I said anything about that.
As for traffic, yeah sure. Blah blah blah.
Atlanta sells less manual transmissions than any car market in the United States. Lots of excuses I guess. Besides I have a job, I have to drive in it every day.
Come roll around Atlanta a couple days.
fradzz commented:
May 15, 2013, 6:02 pm

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Drive what's most fun for you. If that's no longer a manual, more power to you. I still have a greater % of time that I enjoy having a manual than don't.
Yes I wish I had a manual. My first car was a triumph.
But only on the weekends.
bighorns commented:
May 15, 2013, 6:04 pm

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It's very stupid, but no matter what car you drive, there's always a certain "image" that goes with it, which may be far more than you bargained for. Even if you drive a Corolla there's an "image". (boring guy who will snap one day and gun down all his coworkers).

BMW's are basically coded by color:
White - middle eastern guy with gold chains.
Red - street racing D.B.
Black - arrogant managerial type
Grey/Silver - grouchy older managerial type
You got the 'arrogant' part right.
408Racer commented:
May 15, 2013, 6:05 pm

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...Come roll around Atlanta a couple days.
LOL. Thanks, but I don't go to third world countries outside of Asia.



Kamdog commented:
May 15, 2013, 6:06 pm

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Originally Posted by TacticalBassist View Post
I didn't do anything to provoke what he did. I was obeying the law, and he acted like an idiot. Like I said before, I probably shouldn't have followed him, but it pisses me off to see people going 20 over the speed limit through neighborhoods. This is such a small town, you would think people would have more respect for one another.

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OK, maybe he wasn't acting.

There are all kinds of nuts out there, and you need to be aware of that, and hold to your own way of doing things. If someone is an idiot, let him go and get ahead of you. Don't escalate a situation.
Kamdog commented:
May 15, 2013, 6:08 pm

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Yes I wish I had a manual. My first car was a triumph.
But only on the weekends.
My first car was a triumph too. It had a big back seat, and I got laid a lot. I think it was a Ford Galaxy. What kind of car did you have?
bighorns commented:
May 15, 2013, 6:26 pm

Here's the weirdest reaction I ever got: I was driving the 325 to work one morning, and noticed a nice little E46 M3 up ahead, so I caught up, smiled, and gave him a thumbs up. Driver smiled back, and waved. Fast forward a couple of months, I'm driving the same route in my 335, and pull up next to the same guy at a light. I look over and smile, and he glares back at me and looks away.
Not sure what it was about, but I sensed some douchery coming from his direction.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 15, 2013, 9:23 pm

I was on a two lane highway on MOTHER'S DAY. It's a 55, and cops can hide. I never cross 79, people in the area just know not to crack 80. I glance in my rearview and see a Camry coming up on me fast and he instantly signals over to the right lane, so I did not hold him up and there was no traffic in the right lane. As he does this, he honks me, and gives us a dirty look (my wife and I flipped him off of course) and he then signaled and got back in the left lane. We were impressed, as it was totally unnecessary, I mean the road was empty he went around us, there was no slow up, but he felt the need to honk?

We of course wind up getting off at the same exit and he got slowed by cars up ahead and rode their asses. So he did not even make it any farther or any faster. I am glad we did not wind up next to each other at a light, I feel as though I would be hard pressed to keep my mouth shut. Not sure if the car I was in had something to do with it or just that this guy was unhinged.
bmwesq commented:
May 15, 2013, 9:34 pm

I find that it is a good idea to have some songs ready on the playlist just in case someone starts hating on you just cause you driving a bimmer. Here is a handy list to have ready just in case someone starts hating. Play any of these songs real loud in the event of any haters:

http://www.mademan.com/mm/10-best-so...ut-haters.html
408Racer commented:
May 15, 2013, 9:53 pm

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I find that it is a good idea to have some songs ready on the playlist just in case someone starts hating on you just cause you driving a bimmer. Here is a handy list to have ready just in case someone starts hating. Play any of these songs real loud in the event of any haters:

http://www.mademan.com/mm/10-best-so...ut-haters.html
Haha...that's a good list.

Still, at the end of the day, I have the BMW and they have a POS Camry or whatever inferior piece of junk they drive. It is interesting that we have yet to see someone in a Porsche or Ferrari overtly hating on a Bimmer....
BlueF30 commented:
May 15, 2013, 11:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
I was on a two lane highway on MOTHER'S DAY. It's a 55, and cops can hide. I never cross 79, people in the area just know not to crack 80. I glance in my rearview and see a Camry coming up on me fast and he instantly signals over to the right lane, so I did not hold him up and there was no traffic in the right lane. As he does this, he honks me, and gives us a dirty look (my wife and I flipped him off of course) and he then signaled and got back in the left lane. We were impressed, as it was totally unnecessary, I mean the road was empty he went around us, there was no slow up, but he felt the need to honk?

We of course wind up getting off at the same exit and he got slowed by cars up ahead and rode their asses. So he did not even make it any farther or any faster. I am glad we did not wind up next to each other at a light, I feel as though I would be hard pressed to keep my mouth shut. Not sure if the car I was in had something to do with it or just that this guy was unhinged.
He probably honked because you were in the left lane. The left lane is for passing...
beden1 commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:23 am

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He probably honked because you were in the left lane. The left lane is for passing...
I agree!
diggyd357 commented:
May 16, 2013, 6:05 am

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Originally Posted by BlueF30 View Post
He probably honked because you were in the left lane. The left lane is for passing...
I must say, was thinking that exact same thing when reading the post..... Infact, it may have been me doing the honking
terryn commented:
May 16, 2013, 7:38 am

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
I was on a two lane highway on MOTHER'S DAY. It's a 55, and cops can hide. I never cross 79, people in the area just know not to crack 80. I glance in my rearview and see a Camry coming up on me fast and he instantly signals over to the right lane, so I did not hold him up and there was no traffic in the right lane. As he does this, he honks me, and gives us a dirty look (my wife and I flipped him off of course) and he then signaled and got back in the left lane. We were impressed, as it was totally unnecessary, I mean the road was empty he went around us, there was no slow up, but he felt the need to honk?

We of course wind up getting off at the same exit and he got slowed by cars up ahead and rode their asses. So he did not even make it any farther or any faster. I am glad we did not wind up next to each other at a light, I feel as though I would be hard pressed to keep my mouth shut. Not sure if the car I was in had something to do with it or just that this guy was unhinged.
So was he honking to complain that you were driving in the passing lane?

What road/area was it in NJ that has the 80 rule? It's always good to know these things, although it seems that if you run into a local cop all bets are off.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 8:45 am

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He probably honked because you were in the left lane. The left lane is for passing...
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I agree!
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I must say, was thinking that exact same thing when reading the post..... Infact, it may have been me doing the honking
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So was he honking to complain that you were driving in the passing lane?

What road/area was it in NJ that has the 80 rule? It's always good to know these things, although it seems that if you run into a local cop all bets are off.
I had passed a slower moving car a few moments before, a Sunday where both lanes are largely empty, there is no reason to honk. The guy was never held up by me, he never slowed. It was a douche move, likely an out of towner. Also, he was in the passing lane too, the guy I had passed had moved over into the right lane, so this guy was just zooming for awhile in the fast lane at 90. People know not to do 90 on this road. Best part was that it was Mother's Day where my Mother said the guy was an asshole.

This was 280 in Parsippany. If you crack 80, you stand out and it's the next bracket for fines and points. Further ahead it's 65. It's dumb to go 80+ in the 55 section and that is where the cops love to hide.
lqaddict commented:
May 16, 2013, 9:02 am

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He probably honked because you were in the left lane. The left lane is for passing...
+10000
Don't hug the passing lane, no matter how fast you are going in it, there is always someone who wants to go faster than you. I love European driving in this regard, on Autobahn you think you are Mario Andretti flying down at 155 MPH, well there could be another Michael Schumacher in his car behind you flashing his lights at you because his car can do more than your 155 MPH limited car.
TacticalBassist commented:
May 16, 2013, 9:06 am

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
I had passed a slower moving car a few moments before, a Sunday where both lanes are largely empty, there is no reason to honk. The guy was never held up by me, he never slowed. It was a douche move, likely an out of towner. Also, he was in the passing lane too, the guy I had passed had moved over into the right lane, so this guy was just zooming for awhile in the fast lane at 90. People know not to do 90 on this road. Best part was that it was Mother's Day where my Mother said the guy was an asshole.

This was 280 in Parsippany. If you crack 80, you stand out and it's the next bracket for fines and points. Further ahead it's 65. It's dumb to go 80+ in the 55 section and that is where the cops love to hide.
At least he didn't pass you in a turn lane. Lol

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Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 9:14 am

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+10000
Don't hug the passing lane, no matter how fast you are going in it, there is always someone who wants to go faster than you.
It's not hugging the passing lane when within 5 seconds of passing someone I am still in it when the road is otherwise empty.

It stopped being empty when a dude flies up my ass at 90 and instead of slowing down which I could see annoy him he instantly got over and did his honk.

I have no issues with the guy going 90, he can do that, I have no issues with him passing me instead of me getting over fast enough, BUT he had the issue as he was going 90 in the fast lane with NO cars on the right to be passing, he made his issue MY issue by feeling the need to honk.

We were both in the passing lane for a decent amount of time, neither of us at that moment had someone to pass on the right. So again, let me be clear, his honk was completely unwarranted.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 9:18 am

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At least he didn't pass you in a turn lane. Lol

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Guy was an asshole. 1/4 mile up from his honking me he got caught up by cars doing 65 in the 55 and RODE bumpers, and switched lanes 2-3 times just to get nowhere and exit another 1/4 ahead. Guy was mid to late 40's and just did not seem right. This was not a kill or be killed work day commute. This was Sunday-Mother's Day with a lot of people out of town and no one seemed to be in a rush.
DDGator commented:
May 16, 2013, 9:22 am

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Originally Posted by BlueF30 View Post
He probably honked because you were in the left lane. The left lane is for passing...
Nonetheless, it does at least offer an explanation for why he honked...

If someone were coming up behind me that fast, I would get over in less than 5 seconds. You previously said there was no traffic in the right lane. If he had room to pass you on the right, you could have gotten over.

No big deal--stuff happens and we can't be on top of everything all the time. It just doesn't sound like a BMW-hater thing to me.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 9:29 am

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Nonetheless, it does at least offer an explanation for why he honked...

If someone were coming up behind me that fast, I would get over in less than 5 seconds. You previously said there was no traffic in the right lane. If he had room to pass you on the right, you could have gotten over.

No big deal--stuff happens and we can't be on top of everything all the time. It just doesn't sound like a BMW-hater thing to me.
I obviously saw how fast he was coming behind me by checking my mirror, as it was happening he already signaled without a pause and got over to the right lane.

You are right, I could have been over to the right instantly after my pass. I did not, the road was empty at the time and my 79mph means I was going to be passing the cars going 50-65 on the right within a certain amount of time. It was a decision I made on my part for reading the area.

Fact is, the honk is what was out of place. Driving for 17 years or so in this area, I can replay similar events, guy goes around you, never he honk. It was him, the look on the guys face, the multiple lane changes inside of a couple hundred feet, just to go nowhere. Guy was an asshole. Take me out of the equation if people are not getting it.
NewToCarBuying commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:06 am

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Originally Posted by HokieXDriver View Post
In Northern Virginia, BMWs are as common as cockroaches. Nobody gives a crap. You have to be in a Ferrari before anyone even notices you are driving something different. The parking lot at my office has at least 8 BMWs that I know of, including an Alpina B7. On the lot on the other side is a red Ferrari - now that I notice. I have seen several Tesla S around.

Haha in texas there was only like 2-3 3 series around houston for the first months.

I went to cali and like saw someone had one within every stop light i was like damn.
NewToCarBuying commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:09 am

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
I obviously saw how fast he was coming behind me by checking my mirror, as it was happening he already signaled without a pause and got over to the right lane.

You are right, I could have been over to the right instantly after my pass. I did not, the road was empty at the time and my 79mph means I was going to be passing the cars going 50-65 on the right within a certain amount of time. It was a decision I made on my part for reading the area.

Fact is, the honk is what was out of place. Driving for 17 years or so in this area, I can replay similar events, guy goes around you, never he honk. It was him, the look on the guys face, the multiple lane changes inside of a couple hundred feet, just to go nowhere. Guy was an asshole. Take me out of the equation if people are not getting it.
The problem I think with the roads is those driving cars with speed abilities are not rewarded on the road.
chris328 commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:15 am

if theres no one around and im in the passing lane, and some ass decides that instead of passing on the right, he's going to ride my ass and honk/flash beams just because "those are the rules" he can **** right off. just pass on the right, theres no one around... people can be such pricks
rippx commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:27 am

Well whatever happens, just remember to keep your cool. It's out of anger that majority of crimes, assaults and murder occur. It's best just to ignore the situation and person....it's never worth it in the end.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:31 am

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if theres no one around and im in the passing lane, and some ass decides that instead of passing on the right, he's going to ride my ass and honk/flash beams just because "those are the rules" he can **** right off. just pass on the right, theres no one around... people can be such pricks
Pretty much. That is not even so bad, if he rides my ass for a bit as a indication and even a quick flash, yeah it's dick'ish, but this guy with the honk was on another level. I can be pretty tolerant of douchey behavior, this one was on another level.
TacticalBassist commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:02 pm

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Pretty much. That is not even so bad, if he rides my ass for a bit as a indication and even a quick flash, yeah it's dick'ish, but this guy with the honk was on another level. I can be pretty tolerant of douchey behavior, this one was on another level.
I've flashed people before when I had my Tundra, but that's because across a three lane road, all three cars were going 20 under the limit. I think it was a conspiracy; they were all over 70, driving Buicks and a Cadillac. There wasn't anyone in front of them either.

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beden1 commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:08 pm

Best driving practice is to drive on the right and pass on the left. Once done passing, go back to the right if it's clear to do so. I do it and expect others to do the same.

I also flash those who don't seem to undertand that the left lane is for passing only. "Dickish" or not, I think it's more "Dickish" to stay in the left lane after done passing.
bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:27 pm

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Originally Posted by DDGator View Post

If someone were coming up behind me that fast, I would get over in less than 5 seconds. You previously said there was no traffic in the right lane. If he had room to pass you on the right, you could have gotten over.

No big deal--stuff happens and we can't be on top of everything all the time. It just doesn't sound like a BMW-hater thing to me.
If the guy came up from behind that fast a quick lane change could have been dangerous given the circumstances. If you were trying to get out of the way at the same moment that the approaching car is whipping around you, it could result in a collision. In this instance I would throw on my signal, and very slowly start a lane change just in case the approaching car doesn't slow and tries to move around. (Defensive driving 101)
bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:30 pm

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Originally Posted by chris328 View Post
if theres no one around and im in the passing lane, and some ass decides that instead of passing on the right, he's going to ride my ass and honk/flash beams just because "those are the rules" he can **** right off. just pass on the right, theres no one around... people can be such pricks
Why would you be in the left lane if no one is around? Refusing to yield the left lane is road rage.
bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:31 pm

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Well whatever happens, just remember to keep your cool. It's out of anger that majority of crimes, assaults and murder occur. It's best just to ignore the situation and person....it's never worth it in the end.
+1000
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:33 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
Best driving practice is to drive on the right and pass on the left. Once done passing, go back to the right if it's clear to do so. I do it and expect others to do the same.

I also flash those who don't seem to undertand that the left lane is for passing only. "Dickish" or not, I think it's more "Dickish" to stay in the left lane after done passing.
More times than not-that is true. On this road and this particular instance, I would have been going in and out as the right lane was going more often 50(under the speed limit) up to 65.

So to stay in the right lane and move over every 8th of a mile is a bit much.

I think people are Monday Morning Quarter-backing when my particular situation does not apply to overall practices. The key was this GUY and this road at that time.
bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:35 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
Best driving practice is to drive on the right and pass on the left. Once done passing, go back to the right if it's clear to do so. I do it and expect others to do the same.

I also flash those who don't seem to undertand that the left lane is for passing only. "Dickish" or not, I think it's more "Dickish" to stay in the left lane after done passing.
Many drivers are just distracted, driving in a daze, and may just need a 'gentle' reminder that they are impeding the lane. For some reason people seem to get lazy and pace other cars rather than regulate their own speed.
bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
More times than not-that is true. On this road and this particular instance, I would have been going in and out as the right lane was going more often 50(under the speed limit) up to 65.

So to stay in the right lane and move over every 8th of a mile is a bit much.

I think people are Monday Morning Quarter-backing when my particular situation does not apply to overall practices. The key was this GUY and this road at that time.
One of those 'you just had to be there' moments. I get this. I don't mind this as long as the person in the left lane is traveling faster than right lane traffic, so eventually a passing opportunity will open up. It's when they are going the exact speed as the right lane traffic that I will flash them!
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:42 pm

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One of those 'you just had to be there' moments. I get this. I don't mind this as long as the person in the left lane is traveling faster than right lane traffic, so eventually a passing opportunity will open up. It's when they are going the exact speed as the right lane traffic that I will flash them!
Oh no doubt, I do that too. A gentle flash goes a long way. In the other car, it's very LOUD often people get out of the way before I need to do such a thing.

98% of the time I am faster than traffic. I only get the MOVE over vibe from drivers who are pushing 85-90+. After my Corvette racing incident I wound up with 2pts after never having a point in 17 years. I am trying my best to be ticketless for a couple of years so the points go away including on my insurance which can be like 5 years.
bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:46 pm

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Oh no doubt, I do that too. A gentle flash goes a long way. In the other car, it's very LOUD often people get out of the way before I need to do such a thing.

98% of the time I am faster than traffic. I only get the MOVE over vibe from drivers who are pushing 85-90+. After my Corvette racing incident I wound up with 2pts after never having a point in 17 years. I am trying my best to be ticketless for a couple of years so the points go away including on my insurance which can be like 5 years.
I think that we are on the same page, and some people may have over-reacted because they misunderstood your initial post. Internet discussions tend to go that way sometimes.
BlueF30 commented:
May 16, 2013, 12:58 pm

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Well whatever happens, just remember to keep your cool. It's out of anger that majority of crimes, assaults and murder occur. It's best just to ignore the situation and person....it's never worth it in the end.
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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
Pretty much. That is not even so bad, if he rides my ass for a bit as a indication and even a quick flash, yeah it's dick'ish, but this guy with the honk was on another level. I can be pretty tolerant of douchey behavior, this one was on another level.
Bottom line is if you are in the left lane and not passing, you are wrong. I would not have honked but would have saluted you! I especially expect someone driving a German sports car to know better. In Michigan it is illegal to pass on the right. I know in Germany it is an expensive fine to pass on the right. That's why the a$$hats need to keep out of the left lane unless you are passing. It really is quite simple. It's wrong and shows ignorance.

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/0...ming-your-rear
TacticalBassist commented:
May 16, 2013, 1:09 pm

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Bottom line is if you are in the left lane and not passing, you are wrong. I would not have honked but would have saluted you! I especially expect someone driving a German sports car to know better. In Michigan it is illegal to pass on the right. I know in Germany it is an expensive fine to pass on the right. That's why the a$$hats need to keep out of the left lane unless you are passing. It really is quite simple. It's wrong and shows ignorance.

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/0...ming-your-rear
Florida just passed a law that gives counties the right to ticket people for going slow in the left lane on any road with a left and right lane or more. I am very supportive of this! I've been on I-75 going south to Tampa (where it's two laned) and there was a person going 60 in the left lane. It caused a huge pack of traffic because semis were passing him (barely) and no one could get around. I honked at him as I went by, cause he was definitely an a$$hat.

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bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 1:13 pm

We travel up through Oregon and Washington every summer to visit my daughter, and these States also have these laws in place, but I've never seen them enforced. Most residents will eventually yield the lane to you, some begrudgingly. The idea was that left lane hogging incites road-rage. (TRUE)
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 1:19 pm

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Originally Posted by BlueF30 View Post
Bottom line is if you are in the left lane and not passing, you are wrong. I would not have honked but would have saluted you! I especially expect someone driving a German sports car to know better. In Michigan it is illegal to pass on the right. I know in Germany it is an expensive fine to pass on the right. That's why the a$$hats need to keep out of the left lane unless you are passing. It really is quite simple. It's wrong and shows ignorance.

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/0...ming-your-rear
He was in the left lane not passing as well, we were both way beyond the car that had moved into the right lane. He had been in that lane for a good while, my gut says he stayed in it for miles, I had passed a car using the left lane moments before.

Situation was created by the guy going over 90 and staying left. I could have instantly gotten back right after passing only to have to do it again and again due to my speed.

People can keep going around and around about left lane virtues, but in my situation, it worked for all involved. This guy had his own agenda.

I lived in Michigan for years, do not compare the driving scenario of Metro Detroit to the NYC area. It is VERY different.
BlueF30 commented:
May 16, 2013, 1:35 pm

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He was in the left lane not passing as well, we were both way beyond the car that had moved into the right lane. He had been in that lane for a good while, my gut says he stayed in it for miles, I had passed a car using the left lane moments before.

Situation was created by the guy going over 90 and staying left. I could have instantly gotten back right after passing only to have to do it again and again due to my speed.

People can keep going around and around about left lane virtues, but in my situation, it worked for all involved. This guy had his own agenda.

I lived in Michigan for years, do not compare the driving scenario of Metro Detroit to the NYC area. It is VERY different.
As a pilot I have driven in pretty much every major metropolitan area of the US and all over Europe. It's pretty universal that you pass in the left. I drove in Teterboro just yesterday and I've put a lot of miles on 80/95 in that area, the only thing I find driving in NJ/NY is that people want to slow down on an entrance ramp instead of speeding up to merge for the expressway and generally drive below the speed limit. They'd get run over here in MI.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 1:37 pm

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As a pilot I have driven in pretty much every major metropolitan area of the US and all over Europe. It's pretty universal that you pass in the left. I drove in Teterboro just yesterday and I've put a lot of miles on 80/95 in that area, the only thing I find driving in NJ/NY is that people want to slow down on an entrance ramp instead of speeding up to merge for the expressway and generally drive below the speed limit. They'd get run over here in MI.
I just don't think we're getting each other. You can repeat about passing on the left all you want, I understand and 9x out of 10 it applies as I am usually the one doing the passing as I am often faster than most traffic.
Snareman commented:
May 16, 2013, 1:50 pm

I was actually going to start a thread about this because it drives me so crazy. I thought everyone learned in 3rd grade that the left lane is for passing. I do tend to drive a bit on the fast side and drive to work on a half 2 lane that turns into 3 land highway. I can come up behind someone going slow in the left land (with traffic on the right so I can't go around) and they refuse to move. I think its more that they are clueless that I'm behind them. Heaven forbid I flash my lights once or twice. Again, I learned in 3rd grade that its the polite way to say "hi, I'm back here and would like to go past" to which the response should be "oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see you back there. My bad. Let me move over." If I flash some one and eventually get around them somehow I am 90% of the time met with a dirty look, finger or both. Heaven forbid that they are the slow a$$ in the left land. And then to further things (in the spirit of this thread), the fact that I'm driving a BMW just furthers the opinion in their mind that I must be a prick.
chris328 commented:
May 16, 2013, 1:53 pm

its just another way the plebs "fight back against the man" - hey, just go slow in the fast lane when theres traffic in the other lanes - that'll teach 'em!
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 1:55 pm

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I was actually going to start a thread about this because it drives me so crazy. I thought everyone learned in 3rd grade that the left lane is for passing. I do tend to drive a bit on the fast side and drive to work on a half 2 lane that turns into 3 land highway. I can come up behind someone going slow in the left land (with traffic on the right so I can't go around) and they refuse to move. I think its more that they are clueless that I'm behind them. Heaven forbid I flash my lights once or twice. Again, I learned in 3rd grade that its the polite way to say "hi, I'm back here and would like to go past" to which the response should be "oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see you back there. My bad. Let me move over." If I flash some one and eventually get around them somehow I am 90% of the time met with a dirty look, finger or both. Heaven forbid that they are the slow a$$ in the left land. And then to further things (in the spirit of this thread), the fact that I'm driving a BMW just furthers the opinion in their mind that I must be a prick.
I assume you are speaking in general and not my story directly.

79 in a 55 on route 280 is the thresh hold. I only see people going faster from PA or NYC and those are usually the plates I see on the side of the road pulled over. I have an excellent radar detector and it often catches them hiding on this road.

So I am one of the ones in the left lane passing the slower traffic. Anyone who wants to go 90, yeah-go for it. See how well that works out for you. It's the difference between being from here and just traveling through.

Can you tell me you do not have roads local to you that you know the upper echelon you can speed and that anyone going a fair bit over is "not from these parts-asking for it?".
Snareman commented:
May 16, 2013, 2:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
I assume you are speaking in general and not my story directly.

79 in a 55 on route 280 is the thresh hold. I only see people going faster from PA or NYC and those are usually the plates I see on the side of the road pulled over. I have an excellent radar detector and it often catches them hiding on this road.

So I am one of the ones in the left lane passing the slower traffic. Anyone who wants to go 90, yeah-go for it. See how well that works out for you. It's the difference between being from here and just traveling through.

Can you tell me you do not have roads local to you that you know the upper echelon you can speed and that anyone going a fair bit over is "not from these parts-asking for it?".
Yes, I'm speaking in general. Wasn't directing it at you. Just slow clueless people in the left lane.
BlueF30 commented:
May 16, 2013, 2:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Jamesonsviggen View Post
I assume you are speaking in general and not my story directly.

79 in a 55 on route 280 is the thresh hold. I only see people going faster from PA or NYC and those are usually the plates I see on the side of the road pulled over. I have an excellent radar detector and it often catches them hiding on this road.

So I am one of the ones in the left lane passing the slower traffic. Anyone who wants to go 90, yeah-go for it. See how well that works out for you. It's the difference between being from here and just traveling through.

Can you tell me you do not have roads local to you that you know the upper echelon you can speed and that anyone going a fair bit over is "not from these parts-asking for it?".
I guess we are close to being on the same page.

When someone blows by me in an area where I know is heavily watched I just sit back and smile.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 2:16 pm

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Yes, I'm speaking in general. Wasn't directing it at you. Just slow clueless people in the left lane.
I feel the same way.

When the slow lane is moving slow, and then you have someone going the same speed in the left lane with no one in front of them, yeah It's a pet peeve.

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I guess we are close to being on the same page.

When someone blows by me in an area where I know is heavily watched I just sit back and smile.
That is pretty much how this was. It's just one of those places people just KNOW not to crack 80. It's 65, then 55 for less than a mile, than back to 65 as you merge with 80. I know people who have been zapped RIGHT as it turns to the 55. BIG ticket, BIG points.

My 79 would have still been a ticket and I was still passing most cars-I was not just sitting and sitting in the left lane doing 5 over and having anyone tail me. But things would have been ugly if I was the guy nabbed doing 90.
TacticalBassist commented:
May 16, 2013, 4:12 pm

So this happened again. I told you about the Jeep passing me when I was turning onto my street, and the same thing happened again today. I swear, 90% of the people in my town are incompetent. The black line represents me turning, the red line represents the line car (and the Jeep) took. Might I also add that this is going up a hill, and in a car, you cannot see over the hill very well. If someone had been coming from the other direction into the turn lane, there would have been a head on collision. Speed limit on that road is 40 (I of course was doing 45mph, car behind me today was riding my a$$).

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beden1 commented:
May 16, 2013, 4:33 pm

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I feel the same way.

When the slow lane is moving slow, and then you have someone going the same speed in the left lane with no one in front of them, yeah It's a pet peeve.



That is pretty much how this was. It's just one of those places people just KNOW not to crack 80. It's 65, then 55 for less than a mile, than back to 65 as you merge with 80. I know people who have been zapped RIGHT as it turns to the 55. BIG ticket, BIG points.

My 79 would have still been a ticket and I was still passing most cars-I was not just sitting and sitting in the left lane doing 5 over and having anyone tail me. But things would have been ugly if I was the guy nabbed doing 90.
The more that I read your explanations, the more I see that you still don't get that you're wrong here.

Whether or not you're going 79 in a 65 MPH zone, someone was going faster than you in the left lane and you needed to provide him right-of-way in the left passing lane. You should have seen him coming up from behind and moved back to the right lane.

The more I think about it, you probably should have waited in the right lane before passing the driver in front because the other guy was traveling so fast coming up in the left lane.

Armchair quarterback - you bet. I travel back and forth between PA & FL periodically throughout the year and I've pretty much seen it all. Drivers blocking the left lane absolutely drives me nuts when I'm in the process of driving 17 1/2 hours straight through on I-95.
BlueF30 commented:
May 16, 2013, 4:49 pm

LOL. I tried to explain this to my ex father in law once back when the 55 mph speed limit was in effect. He said that as a taxpayer he was entitled to drive in what ever lane he wanted as long as he drove exactly 55 mph! I don't think he's alone in that line of thinking.
pony_trekker commented:
May 16, 2013, 4:50 pm

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Best driving practice is to drive on the right and pass on the left. Once done passing, go back to the right if it's clear to do so. I do it and expect others to do the same.

I also flash those who don't seem to undertand that the left lane is for passing only. "Dickish" or not, I think it's more "Dickish" to stay in the left lane after done passing.
Better than passing them real close on the right.
pony_trekker commented:
May 16, 2013, 4:51 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post

I travel back and forth between PA & FL periodically throughout the year and I've pretty much seen it all. Drivers blocking the left lane absolutely drives me nuts when I'm in the process of driving 17 1/2 hours straight through on I-95.
Only way to do this is overnight when it is just you and the truckers.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 5:00 pm

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The more that I read your explanations, the more I see that you still don't get that you're wrong here.

Whether or not you're going 79 in a 65 MPH zone, someone was going faster than you in the left lane and you needed to provide him right-of-way in the left passing lane. You should have seen him coming up from behind and moved back to the right lane.

The more I think about it, you probably should have waited in the right lane before passing the driver in front because the other guy was traveling so fast coming up in the left lane.

Armchair quarterback - you bet. I travel back and forth between PA & FL periodically throughout the year and I've pretty much seen it all. Drivers blocking the left lane absolutely drives me nuts when I'm in the process of driving 17 1/2 hours straight through on I-95.
79 in a 55, I was traveling faster than traffic and stayed in the fast lane as to not go in and out.

I checked my mirror a few seconds before and there was nothing. I checked again and he was coming on me FAST, he actually might have been going 100, he never got too close and instead came right around me honking as he did. This all happened in a very short time.

Sorry, his rate of speed was the issue. You can go on and on all you want about how annoying it is to have people in the left lane that should not be, it annoys me to.

Fact is, this guy was an asshole and continued to drive like an asshole after encountering me.

He does not become an asshole simply for wanting to go faster than me, such people do exist. But you watch body language and how someone operates a vehicle-this guy was an asshole.
kobechrome commented:
May 16, 2013, 5:07 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
The more that I read your explanations, the more I see that you still don't get that you're wrong here.

Whether or not you're going 79 in a 65 MPH zone, someone was going faster than you in the left lane and you needed to provide him right-of-way in the left passing lane. You should have seen him coming up from behind and moved back to the right lane.

The more I think about it, you probably should have waited in the right lane before passing the driver in front because the other guy was traveling so fast coming up in the left lane.

Armchair quarterback - you bet. I travel back and forth between PA & FL periodically throughout the year and I've pretty much seen it all. Drivers blocking the left lane absolutely drives me nuts when I'm in the process of driving 17 1/2 hours straight through on I-95.
I dunno. He was already driving 24mph OVER the speed limit (it was in a 55 zone) so that's pretty fast IMO. If the other driver was coming up his a$$ at 100mph that's just plain reckless. Who knows if Jameson would've changed lanes at the last second, the other guy could've changed lanes simultaneously and rammed right into him. I find that if someone's driving as recklessly as going 40-50mph over the speed limit - let he/she be the aggressor. There's no "correct" protocol for someone being a reckless a-hole. This is how I see it from the way the facts were explained. Of course, we weren't there and all we have is one version of the events.
terryn commented:
May 16, 2013, 5:07 pm

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So this happened again. I told you about the Jeep passing me when I was turning onto my street, and the same thing happened again today. I swear, 90% of the people in my town are incompetent. The black line represents me turning, the red line represents the line car (and the Jeep) took. Might I also add that this is going up a hill, and in a car, you cannot see over the hill very well. If someone had been coming from the other direction into the turn lane, there would have been a head on collision. Speed limit on that road is 40 (I of course was doing 45mph, car behind me today was riding my a$$).

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I don't get why their use of the left turn lane, which was presumably empty, to pass you, was a bad thing. As long as they get back in their lane once through the intersection and don't do a header into a car in the left turn lane coming the other way.

If they are really going too fast through an intersection with poor sight distance, it really doesn't matter what lane they are in, they are at risk of hitting cars turning left in front of them if each party can't see the other coming.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 5:14 pm

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I dunno. He was already driving 24mph OVER the speed limit (it was in a 55 zone) so that's pretty fast IMO. If the other driver was coming up his a$$ at 100mph that's just plain reckless. Who knows if Jameson would've changed lanes at the last second, the other guy could've changed lanes simultaneously and rammed right into him. I find that if someone's driving as recklessly as going 40-50mph over the speed limit - let he/she be the aggressor. There's no "correct" protocol for someone being a reckless a-hole. This is how I see it from the way the facts were explained. Of course, we weren't there and all we have is one version of the events.
The fact that is was going that speed is one thing, to honk and give the nutso look as he did so up'ed it even more. His weaving and ass riding on SLOWER moving cars than myself, just cemented it.

Yeah, you have only my version. I also had a car full of people who all had a WTF is this guy doing reaction. I have tons of incidents driving, we all do. I posted this one because this guy was driving erratic, and honked ME while being the asshole.

A lot of people questioning here and thinking they would have had some kind of great outcome instead, yeah in fantasy land-when you encounter a real weirdo you are out of luck.

There was a time a guy tried cutting me off in traffic when I had the Viggen, he literally did not have the room, when I gave him a slight honk, he cut me off anyway. Since I had the nerve to honk the guy he proceeded to pull next to me and then cut his wheel and swerve into me multiple times in hopes I would swerve into the wall on the Turnpike. Yeah, guy is not right in the head. I proceeded to drop a couple of gears and get FAR away from his Chrysler 300. Sometimes people just are not right in the head.
terryn commented:
May 16, 2013, 5:17 pm

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There was a time a guy tried cutting me off in traffic when I had the Viggen, he literally did not have the room, when I gave him a slight honk, he cut me off anyway. Since I had the nerve to honk the guy he proceeded to pull next to me and then cut his wheel and swerve into me multiple times in hopes I would swerve into the wall on the Turnpike. Yeah, guy is not right in the head. I proceeded to drop a couple of gears and get FAR away from his Chrysler 300. Sometimes people just are not right in the head.
He was probably a Philadelphia driver. They're homicidal.
kobechrome commented:
May 16, 2013, 5:20 pm

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The fact that is was going that speed is one thing, to honk and give the nutso look as he did so up'ed it even more. His weaving and ass riding on SLOWER moving cars than myself, just cemented it.

Yeah, you have only my version. I also had a car full of people who all had a WTF is this guy doing reaction. I have tons of incidents driving, we all do. I posted this one because this guy was driving erratic, and honked ME while being the asshole.

A lot of people questioning here and thinking they would have had some kind of great outcome instead, yeah in fantasy land-when you encounter a real weirdo you are out of luck.
Based on how you explained it, I'm in agreement with you. That dude was just reckless and I would've done the same thing.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 16, 2013, 5:28 pm

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Based on how you explained it, I'm in agreement with you. That dude was just reckless and I would've done the same thing.
I was not going on as a counter, I could tell you were on my side lol.

Just giving another example-when a guy is not right in the head-it sometimes does not matter what you do or don't do.
TacticalBassist commented:
May 16, 2013, 5:55 pm

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I don't get why their use of the left turn lane, which was presumably empty, to pass you, was a bad thing. As long as they get back in their lane once through the intersection and don't do a header into a car in the left turn lane coming the other way.
Um, you stated the issue in your reply: he passed me using a turn lane. How would he even know if someone was about to enter the turn lane if he can't see it in the first place? It's more likely that there will be someone there than in his lane. I'm sorry, but if you're too impatient to brake and slow down when other people are turning, then you shouldn't be driving because you're not only putting yourself at risk, but also other drivers. There's a reason why we have road laws. I guarantee if a cop had been behind him, the guy would have gotten a ticket.

When we left the light back a little further, he was glued to the back of my car. I downshifted and gave it some gas and it was like I was pulling on his car with a rope. He didn't lose any distance. I guarantee if I hadn't been in front of that idiot, he'd have gone 60 mph down that street. Might I add there are always people and kids walking and riding bikes along this street.

"If they are really going too fast through an intersection with poor sight distance, it really doesn't matter what lane they are in, they are at risk of hitting cars turning left in front of them if each party can't see the other coming."

Then they shouldn't be speeding. This is a heavily travelled road that happens to cut through a couple of neighborhoods. People should have more respect for each other; speeding past homes where children could (and have) wander(ed) out into the street just didn't right.

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bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 6:10 pm

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Um, you stated the issue in your reply: he passed me using a turn lane. I'm sorry, but if you're too impatient to brake and slow down when other people are turning, then you shouldn't be driving because you're likely going to be a complete asshat on the road. I guarantee if a cop had been behind him, the guy would have gotten a ticket.

When we left the light back a little further, he was glued to the back of my car. I downshifted and gave it some gas and it was like I was pulling on his car with a rope. He didn't lose any distance. I guarantee if I hadn't been in front of that idiot, he'd have gone 60 mph down that street. Might I add there are always people and kids walking and riding bikes along this street.

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Here's another scenario, (given the BMW theme of this thread): He saw your Bimmer, and was out to prove his vehicle is every bit as capable as yours, so when you accelerated, he did likewise to prove that he could keep up or possibly overtake you. You turned off, and it pissed him off. Now follow me here, because my point is that I get this all of the time from almost every brand new 4-banger/6-banger I come across lately. Never the muscle cars, they have nothing to prove. But the econ-boxes keep getting a little faster every year, and it just seems that they want to rub your nose in it if possible. *my 2 cents*
Technic commented:
May 16, 2013, 6:35 pm

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Why would you be in the left lane if no one is around? Refusing to yield the left lane is road rage.
Exactly.

I would say, those that drive in the left lane when there's no one around are the left lane blockers when other drivers are around. There is no distinction.
TacticalBassist commented:
May 16, 2013, 6:44 pm

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Here's another scenario, (given the BMW theme of this thread): He saw your Bimmer, and was out to prove his vehicle is every bit as capable as yours, so when you accelerated, he did likewise to prove that he could keep up or possibly overtake you. You turned off, and it pissed him off. Now follow me here, because my point is that I get this all of the time from almost every brand new 4-banger/6-banger I come across lately. Never the muscle cars, they have nothing to prove. But the econ-boxes keep getting a little faster every year, and it just seems that they want to rub your nose in it if possible. *my 2 cents*
This makes sense... it was a riced out Mark 3 non turbo Toyota Supra. If it had been a Mark IV, he'd have nothing to prove. I'd trade everything I have for an all original twin turbo Mark IV Supra.

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mdsbuc commented:
May 16, 2013, 7:52 pm

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Here's another scenario, (given the BMW theme of this thread): He saw your Bimmer, and was out to prove his vehicle is every bit as capable as yours, so when you accelerated, he did likewise to prove that he could keep up or possibly overtake you. You turned off, and it pissed him off. Now follow me here, because my point is that I get this all of the time from almost every brand new 4-banger/6-banger I come across lately. Never the muscle cars, they have nothing to prove. But the econ-boxes keep getting a little faster every year, and it just seems that they want to rub your nose in it if possible. *my 2 cents*
Very true. And when you drive a muscle car it seems that it's always the pickup trucks and the big SUVs that want to give you a run, LOL.
bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 8:02 pm

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Very true. And when you drive a muscle car it seems that it's always the pickup trucks and the big SUVs that want to give you a run, LOL.
.....because they have a V-8!
pony_trekker commented:
May 16, 2013, 8:06 pm

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Here's another scenario, (given the BMW theme of this thread): He saw your Bimmer, and was out to prove his vehicle is every bit as capable as yours, so when you accelerated, he did likewise to prove that he could keep up or possibly overtake you. You turned off, and it pissed him off. Now follow me here, because my point is that I get this all of the time from almost every brand new 4-banger/6-banger I come across lately. Never the muscle cars, they have nothing to prove. But the econ-boxes keep getting a little faster every year, and it just seems that they want to rub your nose in it if possible. *my 2 cents*
Great point.
mr29 commented:
May 16, 2013, 9:58 pm

good to see this thread going again

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lqaddict commented:
May 16, 2013, 10:50 pm

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LOL. I tried to explain this to my ex father in law once back when the 55 mph speed limit was in effect. He said that as a taxpayer he was entitled to drive in what ever lane he wanted as long as he drove exactly 55 mph! I don't think he's alone in that line of thinking.
Wait until he gets a ticket for not regarding left lane for passing only.


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Db750 commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:10 pm

I have experience quite a few different reactions while driving my M6. The overwhelming majority are people who give me the thums up, yell cool car, or ask me to get on it at a stop light. I also have quite a few people who come up to me at the gas pump to ask about my car.

One of the worst things are the people who like to follow very closely as in I can't see the bottom of their bumper in my rearview mirror. I have actually had several people who have been very close to me, and when I have been forced to make a quick stop, they have been unable to stop and have passes me with their brakes squeling on either side. A few months ago I actually had a guy go up over a curb on an eclipse becaus he couldn't stop fast enough. We were in a right turn lane with cars backed up on the left. I hope he totaled his car.

Just a few weeks ago I was pulled a bit through a intersection waiting for traffic to allow me to make a left turn. There was a older guy behind me in some beater Camry and I kept glancing back at him in the mirror knowing something wasn't right. The light turned yellow and I waited for traffic to stop before I turned left exposing my wife to oncoming traffic. Before the light could even turn red I saw the guy behind me cut around me and fly by me in the turn lane causing oncoming cars to slamming their brakes. He layed on his horn as he turned and didn't let off for a few seconds. As soon as he passed me I gunned it as was literally ahead of him before the next light. He wouldn't even look over at me even though we were side by side.

I will say the I take my car on road trips quite often. I have made the trip to Huntington west Virginia via 64E at least 20 times. It is a generally open road with straight stretches that are 4plus miles. I usually average 100 plus mph on the trip. There is nothing that pisses me off more than people cruising in the left lane at or below the speed limit with no one around. They are the majority on this trip. I have definately been know to down shift into third and blow by them at 90 while laying on the horn.

That may make me a douche bag, but if you could hear what I'm saying behind my tinted glass you would know I'm an ass hole.

Edit: just review my post. No way I'm correcting all the spelling errors. English is my first and only language. I promise.
bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:33 pm

I stopped for gas a couple of weeks ago, and I notice a couple of young guys in a beater, red Cavalier convertible filling up on the opposite side of my pump. I noticed them eyeing my car, and then the driver walks over, and asks, "Excuse me sir, but would you be willing to trade your car for a Ferrari?" I glance at his car, I laugh, and respond, "Sure, for the RIGHT Ferrari I would", acknowledging that he was jokingly referring to his car. We both laughed, and he said, "You have a good evening sir!" I thought that it was a cool way of him letting me know that he admired my Bimmer!
Db750 commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:43 pm

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I stopped for gas a couple of weeks ago, and I notice a couple of young guys in a beater, red Cavalier convertible filling up on the opposite side of my pump. I noticed them eyeing my car, and then the driver walks over, and asks, "Excuse me sir, but would you be willing to trade your car for a Ferrari?" I glance at his car, I laugh, and respond, "Sure, for the RIGHT Ferrari I would", acknowledging that he was jokingly referring to his car. We both laughed, and he said, "You have a good evening sir!" I thought that it was a cool way of him letting me know that he admired my Bimmer!
Haha, that's awesome! That reminds me of one. I was at a red light a few months back and had my windows down. I heard what sounded like someone making a smoothie in a hand held blender. I looked over to my left and it was a guy (looked college age) in a silver focus revving his engine. He then gave me the look and the knod!

We both ended up laughing for a second before the light turned green. He gave me a thumbs up and I gave him a wave with a double honk.
beden1 commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:47 pm

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LOL. I tried to explain this to my ex father in law once back when the 55 mph speed limit was in effect. He said that as a taxpayer he was entitled to drive in what ever lane he wanted as long as he drove exactly 55 mph! I don't think he's alone in that line of thinking.
I don't know the age of your ex-father-in-law, but I constantly see older men that could be WWII Vets cruising in the left lane and not budging for anybody or anything. It's like they feel they fought for this country and deserve to drive anywhere they want.

While I appreciate their service, I still flash them like anyone else. Does no good though because they don't go anywhere.
Db750 commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:51 pm

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I don't know the age of your ex-father-in-law, but I constantly see older men that could be WWII Vets cruising in the left lane and not budging for anybody or anything. It's like they feel they fought for this country and deserve to drive anywhere they want.

While I appreciate their service, I still flash them like anyone else. Does no good though because they don't go anywhere.
All you gotta do is drop a few gears and they go bye bye.
bighorns commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:51 pm

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Haha, that's awesome! That reminds me of one. I was at a red light a few months back and had my windows down. I heard what sounded like someone making a smoothie in a hand held blender. I looked over to my left and it was a guy (looked college age) in a silver focus revving his engine. He then gave me the look and the knod!

We both ended up laughing for a second before the light turned green. He gave me a thumbs up and I gave him a wave with a double honk.
LOL! Love these 'fake' races!
mr29 commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:55 pm

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I don't know the age of your ex-father-in-law, but I constantly see older men that could be WWII Vets cruising in the left lane and not budging for anybody or anything. It's like they feel they fought for this country and deserve to drive anywhere they want.

While I appreciate their service, I still flash them like anyone else. Does no good though because they don't go anywhere.
saw this the other day other then he had fought in Nam. blocked the left lane till it finally opened up to 4 lanes as on the right was a semi

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Db750 commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:56 pm

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LOL! Love these 'fake' races!
Yeah I think generally most people are pretty cool and are just as appreciative of our cars as we are so long as they can tell you are an enthusiast and really love your car.

I think if you rode around with loud rap music and gold watch out the window it may be different.
TacticalBassist commented:
May 16, 2013, 11:57 pm

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LOL! Love these 'fake' races!
I never get any of those. I just get douchers in riced out cars that try to overcompensate for their horrible sounding exhaust. I still whoop 'em, but since I don't care much to speed (I'm 20 and have never had a ticket, knock on wood!), I usually let off, slow down, watch them fly by me, and hope there's a cop hiding up the road.

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bighorns commented:
May 17, 2013, 12:07 am

I'll usually jump on it for a few seconds to put on a show, then let them fly by and risk the ticket.
Db750 commented:
May 17, 2013, 12:09 am

The only people that try to race me are in trucks or Maximas.

But mostly trucks.
TacticalBassist commented:
May 17, 2013, 12:10 am

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I'll usually jump on it for a few seconds to put on a show, then let them fly by and risk the ticket.
+1 absolutely.

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bighorns commented:
May 17, 2013, 12:12 am

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The only people that try to race me are in trucks or Maximas.

But mostly trucks.
Because they have a V-8! *redneck mentality*
bighorns commented:
May 17, 2013, 12:13 am

BTW; I was whooping on SUV's with the 325i, so this is really amusing to me.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 17, 2013, 12:21 am

So you have road trips where you average 100mph?
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I have experience quite a few different reactions while driving my M6. The overwhelming majority are people who give me the thums up, yell cool car, or ask me to get on it at a stop light. I also have quite a few people who come up to me at the gas pump to ask about my car.

One of the worst things are the people who like to follow very closely as in I can't see the bottom of their bumper in my rearview mirror. I have actually had several people who have been very close to me, and when I have been forced to make a quick stop, they have been unable to stop and have passes me with their brakes squeling on either side. A few months ago I actually had a guy go up over a curb on an eclipse becaus he couldn't stop fast enough. We were in a right turn lane with cars backed up on the left. I hope he totaled his car.

Just a few weeks ago I was pulled a bit through a intersection waiting for traffic to allow me to make a left turn. There was a older guy behind me in some beater Camry and I kept glancing back at him in the mirror knowing something wasn't right. The light turned yellow and I waited for traffic to stop before I turned left exposing my wife to oncoming traffic. Before the light could even turn red I saw the guy behind me cut around me and fly by me in the turn lane causing oncoming cars to slamming their brakes. He layed on his horn as he turned and didn't let off for a few seconds. As soon as he passed me I gunned it as was literally ahead of him before the next light. He wouldn't even look over at me even though we were side by side.

I will say the I take my car on road trips quite often. I have made the trip to Huntington west Virginia via 64E at least 20 times. It is a generally open road with straight stretches that are 4plus miles. I usually average 100 plus mph on the trip. There is nothing that pisses me off more than people cruising in the left lane at or below the speed limit with no one around. They are the majority on this trip. I have definately been know to down shift into third and blow by them at 90 while laying on the horn.

That may make me a douche bag, but if you could hear what I'm saying behind my tinted glass you would know I'm an ass hole.

Edit: just review my post. No way I'm correcting all the spelling errors. English is my first and only language. I promise.
Db750 commented:
May 17, 2013, 12:55 am

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So you have road trips where you average 100mph?
Should have been more specefic; only on the interstate, but yes. 64E/W. Generally straight between Lexington and Ashland and pretty much deserted. Hit a HUD indicated 176 once so that might bring the average up a few mph.

I do slow down if I am passing someone in the left lane which is rare.
EddieB commented:
May 17, 2013, 12:57 am

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So you have road trips where you average 100mph?
Sounds like felony speeding to me. I'm not against the speed, I'm just against being put in cuffs put in jail and my car impounded.
bighorns commented:
May 17, 2013, 1:04 am

I'm all for triple digits whenever the opportunity arises, as long as no one else is in danger.
Db750 commented:
May 17, 2013, 1:13 am

Yeah I understand that I need to slow it down, but my wife's family lives in huntington WV and I have made the trip more times than I can count. There is literally no one on these roads on the times I'm traveling which is usually night, and of course I don't blow past anyone at more than 10 over (which is usually normal traffic speed on more congested highways).

I've been driving 11 years now, and drove nearly 30,000 miles last year alone. I have never been in an accident, never gotten a ticket, always respect other drivers safety, never hog the left lane, and do my best to follow the rules of the road.
TacticalBassist commented:
May 17, 2013, 8:29 am

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Yeah I understand that I need to slow it down, but my wife's family lives in huntington WV and I have made the trip more times than I can count. There is literally no one on these roads on the times I'm traveling which is usually night, and of course I don't blow past anyone at more than 10 over (which is usually normal traffic speed on more congested highways).

I've been driving 11 years now, and drove nearly 30,000 miles last year alone. I have never been in an accident, never gotten a ticket, always respect other drivers safety, never hog the left lane, and do my best to follow the rules of the road.
Don't push your luck though. 100mph on the streets is kind of dangerous. Any kind of bump at that speed will screw you up bad.

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Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 17, 2013, 9:10 am

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Yeah I understand that I need to slow it down, but my wife's family lives in huntington WV and I have made the trip more times than I can count. There is literally no one on these roads on the times I'm traveling which is usually night, and of course I don't blow past anyone at more than 10 over (which is usually normal traffic speed on more congested highways).

I've been driving 11 years now, and drove nearly 30,000 miles last year alone. I have never been in an accident, never gotten a ticket, always respect other drivers safety, never hog the left lane, and do my best to follow the rules of the road.
**** happens that you cannot account for even if you have done the same thing 1000x. Fact is, survivability becomes almost nil over 100mph.

I am no angel, but when I do hit a high speed, its for a matter of seconds just as a test and I have never done more than 130 on a highway. But its literally for a few seconds and slow back down go 80.

I had a blow out at 80mph in MN one time, the behavior in your car with RFTS might be a bit better, but losing a tire at 100+ which can be likely due to heat would scare the crap out of you. My 80mph blow out had a loaded car with people and luggage fishtailing violently.
bighorns commented:
May 17, 2013, 9:43 am

James, what kind of car were you in with the blowout? I've experienced 4 blowouts on the freeway over the years, 3 rears (Honda Accord, 1st Gen., Honda Pilot, Honda Odyssey), and 1 front (loaded F350 flatbed truck), and never experienced fish-tailing! The Pilot was loaded down with people and luggage, brand new! 80 MPH in almost every case. Only the Accord got a little sway when it first blew.
bighorns commented:
May 17, 2013, 10:04 am

I have run the car 90-100 for extended stretches of time when we were trying to make time on a road trip, but rarely see triple digit speeds in the 120-130 range for more than a minute at a time. I fear for my license more than my safety though. These cars are very planted and stable at these speeds, and having a high quality, speed rated tire helps.
Jamesonsviggen commented:
May 17, 2013, 10:13 am

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Originally Posted by bighorns View Post
James, what kind of car were you in with the blowout? I've experienced 4 blowouts on the freeway over the years, 3 rears (Honda Accord, 1st Gen., Honda Pilot, Honda Odyssey), and 1 front (loaded F350 flatbed truck), and never experienced fish-tailing! The Pilot was loaded down with people and luggage, brand new! 80 MPH in almost every case. Only the Accord got a little sway when it first blew.
I was driving a friend's '99 Escort Sport lol. It was a rear tire, we had 4 people in the car and all our luggage. We had to get a hotel outside of MI in the middle of nowhere and got a tire from a "guy" on the side of the road with a ankle bracelet as he was under house arrest lol.

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I have run the car 90-100 for extended stretches of time when we were trying to make time on a road trip, but rarely see triple digit speeds in the 120-130 range for more than a minute at a time. I fear for my license more than my safety though. These cars are very planted and stable at these speeds, and having a high quality, speed rated tire helps.
The PO mentioned 176 on a public road. That equates to 0 survive-ibility . 100-110, german cars like these are almost at home, but it's the roads and other factors I worry about.
bighorns commented:
May 17, 2013, 10:19 am

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The PO mentioned 176 on a public road. That equates to 0 survive-ibility . 100-110, german cars like these are almost at home, but it's the roads and other factors I worry about.
Yes, I agree that at those speeds survivability becomes an issue. Ran the car up to 150 once for a few seconds and my wife was quick to point this out to me. She's OK up to around 110.
bighorns commented:
May 17, 2013, 10:20 am

P.S. Thank God you weren't in an Explorer!
Jose Monsalve commented:
May 18, 2013, 7:20 am

I have X3 - 3.0 BMW and I also have a GS 1200 BMW Motorcycle Dual purpose, so far no negative experiences,the only negative comes from our relatives who say that we spend too much money on those two vehicles but people give us a lot of complements, I hear a lot that my wife looks nice with the X3, and I get every kind of complements on my GS 1200, I've seen people even taking pictures at it a few times. We bought the X3 recently and our disappointment wit the X3 was to know that every little thing on the car has to be done at the BMW dealer even an oil check or to add oil to it ,I find that ridiculous. J.F.M- Jose.
marinero commented:
May 31, 2013, 2:14 pm

I just got my e38 a few days ago and nothing special, car is a car, No doubt BMW is great but i think today's society; people stop caring about what cars they drive. They are losing appreciation of good street cars, todays youth would be content driving a pinto, long as they can get on the road. At least here in Cali that how I been seeing it.
f30jojo commented:
June 4, 2013, 3:06 pm

I'm an American in Germany so I'm lucky. I own a 13 320i, and a 07 530i, both sport. The difference between them is night and day but one thing goes without question. BMW's are engineered for the autobahnn, and long distance, high mph cruises. I routinely drive 130-155mph on the way to the in-laws or just a weekend trip. Never once have I had an issue with the engine or tires (I'm very loyal to running continental z rated tires) and yes both vehicles are 100% American spec. 80mph is the speedlimit entering construction areas here lol. I understand routine 130mph runs are illegal and hard to do in the states but PLEASE PLEASE don't think bmws are unable of handling such speeds especially with the confidence a BMW suspension gives you... It's absolutely safe.

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bighorns commented:
June 4, 2013, 3:45 pm

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I'm an American in Germany so I'm lucky. I own a 13 320i, and a 07 530i, both sport. The difference between them is night and day but one thing goes without question. BMW's are engineered for the autobahnn, and long distance, high mph cruises. I routinely drive 130-155mph on the way to the in-laws or just a weekend trip. Never once have I had an issue with the engine or tires (I'm very loyal to running continental z rated tires) and yes both vehicles are 100% American spec. 80mph is the speedlimit entering construction areas here lol. I understand routine 130mph runs are illegal and hard to do in the states but PLEASE PLEASE don't think bmws are unable of handling such speeds especially with the confidence a BMW suspension gives you... It's absolutely safe.

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The car has never felt the least bit unsafe at triple digit speeds. The unsafe comes from the fact that here in the States, people routinely make 'blind' lane changes, so the only time that these cars are safe at those speeds is when you are able to hit an open stretch of highway with no traffic!
BlueF30 commented:
June 4, 2013, 5:11 pm

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nlkccom commented:
June 4, 2013, 6:04 pm

In SoCal, BMWs are just too common. Same with any MB, Audi, or really anything else. Even Porsche 911s are not that special. A coworker just got a Tesla. I've seen at least 4-5 of them on the road.
f30jojo commented:
June 4, 2013, 6:28 pm

My argument for that is simple. And true believe it or not, that I drive a BMW because it's one of the last DRIVERS car manufacturers out there. Nothing drives like a BMW, period.

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bmw_or_audi commented:
June 4, 2013, 11:17 pm

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I routinely drive 130-155mph on the way to the in-laws or just a weekend trip.
Would a 316 or 316d be able to do the same, especially if it of an older generation?
windsor027 commented:
June 5, 2013, 10:21 am

Fastest I have been in my F30 was an indicated 141 going to NJ on the Delaware turnpike 4 weeks ago. didn't stay at that speed for more than 30 seconds but let me tell you the car was simply solid as a rock. what impressed me even more is how fast I got from 90 mph to 141 mph. WOW. at the time the lanes were totally empty in front of me.
f30jojo commented:
June 5, 2013, 11:17 am

A 316 d or I... I've driven a 316i and Im serious it will surprise you. No not cruising at 140 but I rented a old e46 318i and it did 155, it struggled but it got there :-D

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rmjames007 commented:
June 13, 2013, 12:49 pm

After driving my 135i around a while. It wasnt until I put the racing stripes and black rims that people noticed it. I think BMW is suffering unintended consequences of being a popular car brand. BMWs to me are getting to be like high priced Hondas. Everyones got one.

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JoeFromPA commented:
June 13, 2013, 1:14 pm

First off, on speeding: DB750 mentioned during over 150mph at night. Let's be clear that you outrun your headlights usually by about 80-90mph. Let's give the benefit of the doubt that they were outrun at 110-120mph.

This means that unless these completely deserted roads are well lit by evenly spaced street lamps, that Db750 literally can not stop or swerve in time to ANY object that becomes lit by the headlights in his lane at those speeds.

...

People react to my driving a BMW like I'm made of solid gold And, after realizing that it's been years since I've wondered how the bills were going to get paid or how I was going to buy my next meal, is not far off.
t335xi commented:
June 27, 2013, 5:38 pm

Lots of ppl try to race me on the freeway or from a light, perks of having a bright red BMW... My favorite so far was a ford exploder flooring it up a freeway ramp cutting me off then having to watch as i effortlessley passed him and entered the freeway ahead of him even though he had a 5 second start. Also I liked when the Charger SRT or whatever that thing is thinks its faster and gets schooled at the on ramp. Bottom line is its a nice car compared to 90% of everything else on the road.
TFA372 commented:
June 27, 2013, 5:48 pm

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Lots of ppl try to race me on the freeway or from a light, perks of having a bright red BMW... My favorite so far was a ford exploder flooring it up a freeway ramp cutting me off then having to watch as i effortlessley passed him and entered the freeway ahead of him even though he had a 5 second start. Also I liked when the Charger SRT or whatever that thing is thinks its faster and gets schooled at the on ramp. Bottom line is its a nice car compared to 90% of everything else on the road.

My best story is late one night on I80, a ricey looking Chevy Cobalt (bright yellow with huge spoiler and tinted windows with xenon lights) tried racing me. He had a good 5-7 second head start and his engine was insanely loud! I just pop my 328Xi into Sport and flew right past him. He was doing around 130 and I don't think he could go any faster....
bt1337 commented:
June 27, 2013, 6:39 pm

All the negative experiences described here, I experience them in my Hyundai so I think this is just a case of people being assholes.
Elk commented:
June 27, 2013, 8:55 pm

Indeed. Few people care what anyone else drives; they drive the same regardless.

However there are those, such as some here, who are astoundingly obsessed with what they themselves drive.
TacticalBassist commented:
June 27, 2013, 9:23 pm

Today I had a kid on a bike yell at me "Nice car dude!" as I was driving through a neighborhood. Finally someone who didn't think I was a prick for driving a Bimmer!

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chris328 commented:
June 28, 2013, 6:14 am

i get that sometimes at the skatepark

younger kids are more appreciative
f30fan commented:
July 31, 2013, 1:31 am

Well people tend to think I am wasteful with money (well can't blame them..)

Dunno if its the car or the driving style or the speed but people more easily yield when I put on the turn signal (except Audi drivers) than when I was driving a Mazda. Back then EVERYONE was trying to overtake me lol!
minn19 commented:
July 31, 2013, 9:26 am

[QUOTE=f30fan;7743027]Well people tend to think I am wasteful with money (well can't blame them..)

I get a kick out of this one. I have friends that have more expensive pick ups that don't tow or haul anything and love reminding them of that when they get on me about my car. I also have a friend that just a bought a fully loaded Honda Odyssey that cost almost as much as my car!
Snareman commented:
July 31, 2013, 9:36 am

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Dunno if its the car or the driving style or the speed but people more easily yield when I put on the turn signal (except Audi drivers) than when I was driving a Mazda. Back then EVERYONE was trying to overtake me lol!
I think people seem to be more annoyed/disdain/pissed at me with my car. They seem less likely to get over for me and then flip me off when I pass them on the right because they won't move over.
Bimmerfestool commented:
July 31, 2013, 10:27 am

Thread revival... Haha. Do any of you ever experience "BMW solidarity". I was test driving my soon to order BMW and right there on the test drive there was a bimmer that stopped to let me change lanes when I realized I was in the wrong lane. That never happens when I drive my current junker and all drivers tend to go out of their way to block me.
watson335i commented:
July 31, 2013, 11:03 am

Great thread BTW! Wow...where do I start? When I was younger and had no money, lived off a tight budget, my thoughts on owning a BMW were not in the cards. I thought to myself what a waste of money! I really didnt start thinking about what the perception might be of owning one unitl later but I did think a little how it might be somewhat snobbish to own one. This is based upon others I either worked with or friends who thought a car is just a people mover... buy used, save your money, invest,etc. From a standpoint of pure logic it makes sense only from that aspect. Over time, as we get older and somewhat wiser, we realize everyone is different, has different priorities in life, brought up differently. Maybe their parents or friends educated them in the value of a dollar and to never waste your money on a depreciating asset such as a car. All is true. However, from a different perspective, each decides to live their lives accordingly. If you just forget about what everyone else thinks and just live your life then who cares what you drive. I believe some of us are so worried about what others think and image that is weighs heavily on our buying decisions sometimes. But in the grand scheme of life who reallys cares if you have a 100k vehicle and they dont. It boils down to each persons goals, priorites in life and achievements. Being afraid of earning a living is their fault, not yours! So if you splurge on a car so what. People in the DC area drive tons of BMW's. Dime a dozen. Not sure if I get negative looks or not but I will continue to drive these cars as long as I am alive , healthy and can afford it. I do know this ... the folks in my neighborhood turn their nose up at us both. For example, one neighbor told another that my 550i Xdrive looks like a Ford Taurus. I just laughed and figured pure jealousy. To each his own. Live for yourself not for others. Enjoy life!!
fleuger99 commented:
July 31, 2013, 11:09 am

Personally, I drive what makes me smile. I don't care what others think or say, end of story. :-)
jjrandorin commented:
July 31, 2013, 11:10 am

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Originally Posted by Bimmerfestool View Post
Thread revival... Haha. Do any of you ever experience "BMW solidarity". I was test driving my soon to order BMW and right there on the test drive there was a bimmer that stopped to let me change lanes when I realized I was in the wrong lane. That never happens when I drive my current junker and all drivers tend to go out of their way to block me.
I am a pretty courteous driver in the first place, but go out of my way to let other BMWs in lanes, merge, etc. Havent really noticed any reciprocation of this but /shrug.
watson335i commented:
July 31, 2013, 11:58 am

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personally, i drive what makes me smile. I don't care what others think or say, end of story. :-)
+1:
boltjaM3s commented:
July 31, 2013, 12:07 pm

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I am a pretty courteous driver in the first place, but go out of my way to let other BMWs in lanes, merge, etc. Havent really noticed any reciprocation of this but /shrug.
I always give BMW owners priority treatment unless its someone in an E90.

BJ
bighorns commented:
July 31, 2013, 12:09 pm

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I always give BMW owners priority treatment unless its someone in an E90.

BJ
beden1 commented:
July 31, 2013, 12:12 pm

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I always give BMW owners priority treatment unless its someone in an E90.

BJ
No doubt because you're jealous that they are having more driving fun in their E90 than you are in your F30.

The E90 drivers also don't get seasick from the body roll of the F30.
bighorns commented:
July 31, 2013, 12:14 pm

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No doubt because you're jealous that they are having more driving fun in their E90 than you are in your F30.

The E90 drivers also don't get seasick from the body roll of the F30.
watson335i commented:
July 31, 2013, 12:20 pm

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Originally Posted by Bimmerfestool View Post
Thread revival... Haha. Do any of you ever experience "BMW solidarity". I was test driving my soon to order BMW and right there on the test drive there was a bimmer that stopped to let me change lanes when I realized I was in the wrong lane. That never happens when I drive my current junker and all drivers tend to go out of their way to block me.
i agree 100%! Typically, I let everyone merge in front and dont speed up and to cut someone off. I hate when people do that! Just rude. Why can't people just be nice instead of royal assholes?
Dippydo commented:
July 31, 2013, 1:07 pm

You always hear a common stereotype that BMW owners don't use their turn signals. After owning one now I understand why they don't. Damn thing is obnoxiously loud. I rarely got any looks before looking factory as BMWs grow on trees here as well. After I put on the 20s and dropped it down, I have people taking pics, people rushing to catch up and giving a thumbs up from all types of people and ages.
EstorilF30 commented:
July 31, 2013, 1:18 pm

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No doubt because you're jealous that they are having more driving fun in their E90 than you are in your F30.

The E90 drivers also don't get seasick from the body roll of the F30.
1) You don't have an E90, why are you so offended by a joke?
2) He's just joking, because of the E90 owners that troll the F30 forums crapping on the F30

Back on topic ...

People just assume I'm rich or my parents bought/paid for my car. Which is funny, since my payment is in the 300's, and that could easily be the cost of optioned up Toyota or Honda.

I don't call people out for their designer clothing, or trips to Europe ... not sure why people label you for driving a nice car.
beden1 commented:
July 31, 2013, 1:21 pm

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Originally Posted by EstorilF30 View Post
1) You don't have an E90, why are you so offended by a joke?
2) He's just joking, because of the E90 owners that troll the F30 forums crapping on the F30

Back on topic ...

People just assume I'm rich or my parents bought/paid for my car. Which is funny, since my payment is in the 300's, and that could easily be the cost of optioned up Toyota or Honda.

I don't call people out for their designer clothing, or trips to Europe ... not sure why people label you for driving a nice car.
I'm not offended and I was joking too!

People who drive BMWs and post on Bimmerfest, a forum about BMWs, are not trolls.
Crzy'boutBimmer commented:
July 31, 2013, 1:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Bimmerfestool View Post
Thread revival... Haha. Do any of you ever experience "BMW solidarity". I was test driving my soon to order BMW and right there on the test drive there was a bimmer that stopped to let me change lanes when I realized I was in the wrong lane. That never happens when I drive my current junker and all drivers tend to go out of their way to block me.
I do this all the time since I had the Bimmer dream of owning one. Sometimes I do that to be able to admire the beauty from side and rear, check out if its 328/335 or 528/535, check out any spoilers, mods, etc.

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Dippydo commented:
July 31, 2013, 2:18 pm

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Originally Posted by beden1 View Post
No doubt because you're jealous that they are having more driving fun in their E90 than you are in your F30.

The E90 drivers also don't get seasick from the body roll of the F30.

Why would anyone be jealous of an older car? Obviously if they bought the newer one they had enough to buy the older one if they really wanted too. Just saying...
jjrandorin commented:
July 31, 2013, 2:29 pm

come on guys, its pretty obvious that both BJ and beden1 were ribbing each other. lets take it down a notch, lol
BiHoTTo115 commented:
July 31, 2013, 3:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Crzy'boutBimmer View Post
I do this all the time since I had the Bimmer dream of owning one. Sometimes I do that to be able to admire the beauty from side and rear, check out if its 328/335 or 528/535, check out any spoilers, mods, etc.

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I do this all the time. I got my 330 because that's what I wanted, I wanted the N52 NA engine. I remember the first day I drove it to work, stopped by to grab coffee (freshly washed, shining rims, etc., the whole nine yards), and an older guy in a truck looks up from his newspaper (I found out later he reads the newspaper a lot in the parking lot, must be retired or something) and tells me "Hey kid, nice car!".

I never got that in the Honda or Hyundai, no matter how immaculate they were in appearance.
samualcc commented:
July 31, 2013, 3:53 pm

My neighbor thanked me for helping to increase neighborhood property values when I came home with my car
fleuger99 commented:
July 31, 2013, 4:10 pm

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My neighbor thanked me for helping to increase neighborhood property values when I came home with my car
Tell him you had to balance it because of the crap (if he has a crap car) he parks in his driveway
beden1 commented:
July 31, 2013, 4:18 pm

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Originally Posted by fleuger99 View Post
Tell him you had to balance it because of the crap (if he has a crap car) he parks in his driveway
You must be a real popular guy in your neighborhood.
Guy3Series commented:
July 31, 2013, 4:37 pm

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Originally Posted by samualcc View Post
My neighbor thanked me for helping to increase neighborhood property values when I came home with my car
Haha! That was weird. Very interesting thread and I would share my experiences if any as and when I encounter.

I am not sure what is going to happen with me.

1) My first BMW arrives in mid-September
2) I stay in an apartment complex with no car ports
3) I am going to use the Car-Cover if I am not going out on the weekends
4) I do not see many BMW's in my area, certainly not in my complex

and yes I can afford it! I am sure people will think I am showing off..
Crzy'boutBimmer commented:
August 9, 2013, 7:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Guy3Series View Post
Haha! That was weird. Very interesting thread and I would share my experiences if any as and when I encounter.

I am not sure what is going to happen with me.

1) My first BMW arrives in mid-September
2) I stay in an apartment complex with no car ports
3) I am going to use the Car-Cover if I am not going out on the weekends
4) I do not see many BMW's in my area, certainly not in my complex

and yes I can afford it! I am sure people will think I am showing off..
I am pretty much in similar boat, plus I don't care what ppl think I can afford.

Live in appts, some new residents got A4, A6, lexus 350, L535. Need to buy the cover..

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EddieB commented:
August 9, 2013, 7:49 pm

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Originally Posted by Crzy'boutBimmer View Post
I am pretty much in similar boat, plus I don't care what ppl think I can afford.

Live in appts, some new residents got A4, A6, lexus 350, L535. Need to buy the cover..

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The California Duster and Meguiar's Ultimate Quick Detailer if necessary before you put on the cover.
Elk commented:
August 9, 2013, 8:42 pm

Many have done more damage with car covers than just leaving the car outside.
watson335i commented:
August 9, 2013, 8:42 pm

My opinion is they probably hate me and I hate them right back. They can't afford it in my neighborhood because where I live it's full of soccer moms in minivans and boring American cars. Basically when my neighbor asks how much it is and I tell him he gets silent. It absolutely kills him that he can't get it. But I don't mind enjoying life and earning a living. If you are successful then go for it because you only live once. It's doesn't bother me if I get bad looks. Not phased one bit. If they are jealous so be it. They can get off their asses and work hard, smart and live for once. If they want to live on a budget and pinch pennies and feel smart about buying a "sensible" car, go for it. To each his own I say. I just don't hold back. Having an opportunity to drive one of these cars and get the enjoyment out of it, do it. Since we are the only ones with BMW's in our garage and the others just don't... well that's their loss. In all honestly it has to do with people feeling so restricted by their income or lack there of AND 99.9% have an inner "tight wad" built into them so they would have a heart attack if they had $700 car payment. Seriously, I have found that most people are ****ing cheap, tight, budget conscious and personally I despise it as a common human trait. What's the ****ing point in life? I see it as I might be dead tomorrow so enjoy it while we have a short time on this rock. My priorities are family and live it to the fullest! No matter what. Yes I save, invest like everyone else but I enjoy making more money so I can have the fun stuff. Why wouldn't you? People just need quit being so strict with their spending habits. Does this offend and piss people off reading this? Yes! Do I care? Not in the least. That's why everyone is different. Live life and quit waiting to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm done...
CALWATERBOY commented:
August 10, 2013, 12:38 am

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So far from my experience, they have been neutral to negative (regarding random people on the street). Majority of the time I just see people staring. However, some times they are just rude.

BMW being common as dirt 'round here, nobody pays much attention.

Unless. Most folks I see expressing interest're fadin' fast in the rear view....occasionally a car exceeds its capability trying t'keep up....
-=Hot|Ice=- commented:
August 10, 2013, 10:15 am

They hate my exhaust in the mornings, I can tell you that much.
Kamdog commented:
August 10, 2013, 10:22 am

Doesn't raise an eyebrow in my neighborhood, and most of the cars are Honda and Toyotas. Heck, my other two cars are Hondas. The guy with the 328 across the street has two Honas as well. The guy with an old 325 has a new 128 'vert.

Nobody cares.
captainaudio commented:
August 10, 2013, 10:38 am

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Doesn't raise an eyebrow in my neighborhood, and most of the cars are Honda and Toyotas. Heck, my other two cars are Hondas. The guy with the 328 across the street has two Honas as well. The guy with an old 325 has a new 128 'vert.

Nobody cares.
Same here. My cars are ignored by the other parkers in my garage.


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Keepittrill commented:
August 10, 2013, 10:49 am

"What a spoiled ****."-What most people think.

"Nice car, man!"-what most people say


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watson335i commented:
August 10, 2013, 10:51 am

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Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=- View Post
They hate my exhaust in the mornings, I can tell you that much.
What exhaust do you have?
RhoXS commented:
August 10, 2013, 11:04 am

For the past 40 years I've worked in heavy industrial plants that are high tech, heavily regulated type on environments. Due the nature of the business, anyone doing anything of any consequence must be highly trained and qualified. One particular group spends approximately 20% of their at work time in re-qualification training. Between the training, the ability to pass the exams, the performance expectations, etc. everyone from the crafts through management can generally be expected to be some of the brighter bulbs on the shelf of life and pay rates are accordingly relatively high. As a result, the parking lots generally display a lot of later model vehicles ranging from a lot of big expensive pickup trucks to BMWs, Mercedes, Cadillac's (Ugh), etc. There does not seem to be the slightest difference made with respect to the car one drives.

This originally surprised me because I was expecting the bargaining unit types to express some level of scorn towards those driving BMWs etc. I was very wrong. Over a lot of years I have not seen one iota of this and it is in fact common for the crafts to come to work in their own Lexus's, BMW's, etc. After all, we are all human and all have the same taste for luxury and high tech gadgets. Between high base pay rates and the enormous OT pay the bargaining unit guys get, they can afford anything they want so what I perceive to be a root cause for those resenting those that drive BMWs etc. just does not exist.
Elk commented:
August 10, 2013, 11:35 am

This thread states a great deal more of what BMW owners think of themselves than anything else.

The length of the thread is telling; over 500 posts of egocentrism.
bighorns commented:
August 10, 2013, 12:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Elk View Post
This thread states a great deal more of what BMW owners think of themselves than anything else.

The length of the thread is telling; over 500 posts of egocentrism.
Everyone has ego to some extent. BMW owners just tend to express that ego in their cars, which are important to them, and brings them a measure of pride and joy. Other peoples egos are wrapped up in their job positions, their talents, their families, etc. As long as it doesn't get out of control and cause you to treat others as "lesser" than you, I see no problem with it.
I think the discussion here is just about how others view us because of our BMW obsession. Probably the majority of BMW owners see it as just a car, or maybe a status symbol, but to those of us who love these cars for how they drive, it's much more, which is why we have these silly discussions.
Dr. 328xi commented:
August 10, 2013, 1:01 pm

It may be in my head, but I feel like I've noticed more people pull up next to me, look over and then speed off ahead of me. This is in comparison to when I had my Audi, which is also a "prestige" German luxury brand. I do get the impression there's a little more general envy in the population towards BMW than Audi, although I would love to point out to these folks that the fact that they are driving their taurus faster than my 328 doesn't mean their taurus IS faster...
watson335i commented:
August 10, 2013, 3:05 pm

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Originally Posted by bighorns View Post
Everyone has ego to some extent. BMW owners just tend to express that ego in their cars, which are important to them, and brings them a measure of pride and joy. Other peoples egos are wrapped up in their job positions, their talents, their families, etc. As long as it doesn't get out of control and cause you to treat others as "lesser" than you, I see no problem with it.
I think the discussion here is just about how others view us because of our BMW obsession. Probably the majority of BMW owners see it as just a car, or maybe a status symbol, but to those of us who love these cars for how they drive, it's much more, which is why we have these silly discussions.
+1 ..silly discussions is exactly it. Nothing more. At the end of the day who really cares? The face in the mirror... and no one else. Just stroking our own egos is all this is. Nonetheless it's interesting, comical, entertaining to read others views. Everyone has their own opinions and so be it. We should all be thankful to have to the opportunity to drive these cars. So enjoy I say. Enjoy...
Elk commented:
August 10, 2013, 3:36 pm

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Originally Posted by bighorns View Post
. . . BMW owners just tend to express that ego in their cars, which are important to them . . .
Exactly.

The thread is not about others. It is about a group of BMW owners; how they feel about themselves, how they wish they were perceived, what they want others to think merely because they bought a car: "Let me tell you how you feel about me and my car."

Which is precisely why this thread is so long. The stereotype BMW owners are inordinately self-impressed appears sadly true.

Carry on; I do not believe group self-pleasuring ever hurt anyone, just be mindful of going blind.
bighorns commented:
August 11, 2013, 12:02 am

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Originally Posted by Elk View Post
Exactly.

The thread is not about others. It is about a group of BMW owners; how they feel about themselves, how they wish they were perceived, what they want others to think merely because they bought a car: "Let me tell you how you feel about me and my car."

Which is precisely why this thread is so long. The stereotype BMW owners are inordinately self-impressed appears sadly true.

Carry on; I do not believe group self-pleasuring ever hurt anyone, just be mindful of going blind.
Some of us are in a little deeper than others!
t335xi commented:
August 11, 2013, 1:14 am

Lols totally ego egocentrism.. on a positive note cops seem to leave me alone
Kayani_1 commented:
August 11, 2013, 3:04 am

People who have the time to worry about other peoples envy and reaction to their cars should not be driving BMW. They should instead be driving Rolls the status package. This is what happens when BMW wants masses to buy its car. Every shallow person that wanted to be in ultimate Toyota called Lexus to impress thy neighbor is now part of BMW community. Thank you BMW for catering to masses
boltjaM3s commented:
August 11, 2013, 9:10 am

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Originally Posted by watson335i View Post
My opinion is they probably hate me and I hate them right back. They can't afford it in my neighborhood because where I live it's full of soccer moms in minivans and boring American cars. Basically when my neighbor asks how much it is and I tell him he gets silent. It absolutely kills him that he can't get it. But I don't mind enjoying life and earning a living. If you are successful then go for it because you only live once. It's doesn't bother me if I get bad looks. Not phased one bit. If they are jealous so be it. They can get off their asses and work hard, smart and live for once. If they want to live on a budget and pinch pennies and feel smart about buying a "sensible" car, go for it. To each his own I say. I just don't hold back. Having an opportunity to drive one of these cars and get the enjoyment out of it, do it. Since we are the only ones with BMW's in our garage and the others just don't... well that's their loss. In all honestly it has to do with people feeling so restricted by their income or lack there of AND 99.9% have an inner "tight wad" built into them so they would have a heart attack if they had $700 car payment. Seriously, I have found that most people are ****ing cheap, tight, budget conscious and personally I despise it as a common human trait. What's the ****ing point in life? I see it as I might be dead tomorrow so enjoy it while we have a short time on this rock. My priorities are family and live it to the fullest! No matter what. Yes I save, invest like everyone else but I enjoy making more money so I can have the fun stuff. Why wouldn't you? People just need quit being so strict with their spending habits. Does this offend and piss people off reading this? Yes! Do I care? Not in the least. That's why everyone is different. Live life and quit waiting to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm done...
Show off and rock on.

BJ
av98 commented:
August 11, 2013, 12:51 pm

Usually get more A holes trying to slow me down or cut me off in my bimmer vs my Miata or MR2. Then again the other 2 cars fit in smaller spaces much better so I can easily go around A holes better. Funny part about all my cars is that cutting off doesn't happen quite often unless it's some other really high powered sports car. Otherwise I like denying the moron Accords, Prius, Mazda 626, Civics, Camrys n other annoying hybrids that try to do this. Driving circles around them seems to piss them off too or when you finally take it seriously and make them disappear. I always see a hand slamming the steering wheel reaction in my rearview mirror or a 1 finger salute. Then I just grin and smile.


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Keepittrill commented:
August 11, 2013, 2:09 pm

People react differently to BMWs because it takes a special kind of douche to buy a BMW


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bighorns commented:
August 11, 2013, 2:36 pm

2 road trips in 2 days. Driving about 10 MPH faster than the flow of traffic. I noticed every time I passed an Accord/Camry/Altima/Maxima/Corolla/Sentra/Tahoe/F150 etc., they all felt that they needed to either speed up and deny the pass, or try to chase me down after I got by. No issues with a single Challenger/Mustang/Porsche/AMG55 all weekend. These guys are secure in where they fit in on the food chain, and have nothing to prove. It's always the "lesser cars" that get butt-hurt! This was the first freeway trip with my wife in the car since I got the tune, and she was actually laughing her butt off at these peoples futile attempts to retaliate. I even let an Altima get a run on me (no other traffic around at the time, so no reason for him to blow-by that hard!) until he reached my rear quarter panel going at least 10-15 MPH faster, and accelerating, before I 'hit it', and pulled bus lengths. My wife was watching the mirror on her side, and said, "OMG, you just pulled away like he parked it!" "Babe, that's why we got the tune!"
watson335i commented:
August 11, 2013, 2:47 pm

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2 road trips in 2 days. Driving about 10 MPH faster than the flow of traffic. I noticed every time I passed an Accord/Camry/Altima/Maxima/Corolla/Sentra/Tahoe/F150 etc., they all felt that they needed to either speed up and deny the pass, or try to chase me down after I got by. No issues with a single Challenger/Mustang/Porsche/AMG55 all weekend. These guys are secure in where they fit in on the food chain, and have nothing to prove. It's always the "lesser cars" that get butt-hurt! This was the first freeway trip with my wife in the car since I got the tune, and she was actually laughing her butt off at these peoples futile attempts to retaliate. I even let an Altima get a run on me (no other traffic around at the time, so no reason for him to blow-by that hard!) until he reached my rear quarter panel going at least 10-15 MPH faster, and accelerating, before I 'hit it', and pulled bus lengths. My wife was watching the mirror on her side, and said, "OMG, you just pulled away like he parked it!" "Babe, that's why we got the tune!"
Funny. What Tune did you get? Mention everything! I want it!
awisewoman commented:
August 11, 2013, 2:52 pm

My biggest comment is what are you doing driving a 7 series, you're a teacher... Lol

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bighorns commented:
August 11, 2013, 3:11 pm

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Funny. What Tune did you get? Mention everything! I want it!
JB4. It's great on the stock 335, and it has all of those maps for adding bolt-ons!
chiefneil commented:
August 11, 2013, 6:11 pm

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Originally Posted by bighorns View Post
2 road trips in 2 days. Driving about 10 MPH faster than the flow of traffic. I noticed every time I passed an Accord/Camry/Altima/Maxima/Corolla/Sentra/Tahoe/F150 etc., they all felt that they needed to either speed up and deny the pass, or try to chase me down after I got by.
I don't know if it's people acting purposely so much as being clueless. A lot of drivers will just match speed to whoever is in front of or beside them, I've noticed. When nobody's around they tend to slow down. I notice that a lot of time people will be doing 70, but when I pass them at 80 they'll just speed up and follow along. A lot of folks will also be doing 70 in the far left lane on the highway and move over to let me pass, but will speed up and drive right next to me at 80.

I think they're just sheep rather than jerks, personally. It's people like that who cause rolling roadblocks with 4 lanes of highway traffic doing exactly 65 in a 65 zone and not a soul in front of them but miles of traffic backed up behind them. Ok so maybe they are jerks, but inadvertent jerks rather than purposeful jerks.
bighorns commented:
August 11, 2013, 6:34 pm

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I don't know if it's people acting purposely so much as being clueless. A lot of drivers will just match speed to whoever is in front of or beside them, I've noticed. When nobody's around they tend to slow down. I notice that a lot of time people will be doing 70, but when I pass them at 80 they'll just speed up and follow along. A lot of folks will also be doing 70 in the far left lane on the highway and move over to let me pass, but will speed up and drive right next to me at 80.

I think they're just sheep rather than jerks, personally. It's people like that who cause rolling roadblocks with 4 lanes of highway traffic doing exactly 65 in a 65 zone and not a soul in front of them but miles of traffic backed up behind them. Ok so maybe they are jerks, but inadvertent jerks rather than purposeful jerks.
I think you're half right. Some are clueless sheep who react to whatever is going on around them, but many actually floor it to close up gaps to keep anyone from passing.
watson335i commented:
August 11, 2013, 7:03 pm

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Originally Posted by bighorns View Post
JB4. It's great on the stock 335, and it has all of those maps for adding bolt-ons!
I assume no problems with the JB4? What additional horses?
M5 Next commented:
August 11, 2013, 7:19 pm

I find it hilarious that this 23 pages of narcissism thread is under model discussion of 3 series. Not 5 or 7 series, 3 series.
bighorns commented:
August 11, 2013, 9:15 pm

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I assume no problems with the JB4? What additional horses?
If there are any weaknesses in the car, they will show up with a tune. (Plugs, coils, injectors, bad fuel pumps). That being said, I slapped a new set of plugs in and off I went. JB4 will give around 80 HP to a stock, 335, or roughly 60 HP to the rear wheels. (BMS actually shows dyno graphs with these numbers, around 360-365 HP to the rear wheels.) Some of the things that I liked about this tune were: A.) Changing maps on the fly (you can switch back and forth from stock tune to boosted while you are driving.) B.) If the car throws a code, this tune will read it for you. and C.) BMS gives great online support if there are any issues. It also allows future modifications to the car, with extra maps designed for whatever mods you do, or fuels you run. You can set shift points (your 4-ways will light up on the dash) to remind you of when you are at optimum shift RPM. (6000 with the tune). JB4 plugs into your ECU, and when removed, it leaves no trace that it was ever there. (If you have to take the car in for warranty work.)
I've also heard of a lot of people who are happy with the Cobb tune, which is downloaded through your OBD II port.
The HP boost on my stock 335 is sufficient to make the car outrun Challenger/Charger SRT8's, if that gives you any indication of how much boost in power you will get. Still looking to line up with a Mustang GT for a comparison.
boltjaM3s commented:
August 12, 2013, 11:15 pm

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Originally Posted by M5 Next View Post
I find it hilarious that this 23 pages of narcissism thread is under model discussion of 3 series. Not 5 or 7 series, 3 series.
A nicely-optioned F30 sets you back $50,000, a fully loaded F30 sets you back $60,000.

The "hilarity" you feel is actually confusion; see, we discuss new cars here. Not 8 year old 5 Series that any teenager with some leftover summer job money can afford.

BJ
Keepittrill commented:
August 12, 2013, 11:21 pm

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I find it hilarious that this 23 pages of narcissism thread is under model discussion of 3 series. Not 5 or 7 series, 3 series.
LOOOOOOOOL


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EddieB commented:
August 12, 2013, 11:50 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
A nicely-optioned F30 sets you back $50,000, a fully loaded F30 sets you back $60,000.

The "hilarity" you feel is actually confusion; see, we discuss new cars here. Not 8 year old 5 Series that any teenager with some leftover summer job money can afford.

BJ
Well done! (He says with a British accent :-)
Carnook commented:
August 13, 2013, 12:09 am

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Originally Posted by M5 Next View Post
I find it hilarious that this 23 pages of narcissism thread is under model discussion of 3 series. Not 5 or 7 series, 3 series.
My 3 cost more than the majority of 5s on the road so put that in your pipe and smoke it
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August 13, 2013, 12:11 am

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TacticalBassist commented:
August 13, 2013, 1:13 am

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My 3 cost more than the majority of 5s on the road so put that in your pipe and smoke it
I like my ten year old 5... heck, I really want a facelifted e39 M5 next.
Kayani_1 commented:
August 13, 2013, 2:59 am

Ahhh shucks come on now.

You sir have no right to criticize other peoples 5 year old BMW. As you only drive a status less 3 series sedan. So check yourself before you wreck yourself. Because in Boltjames book your uber $50K 328i has no status.




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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
A nicely-optioned F30 sets you back $50,000, a fully loaded F30 sets you back $60,000.

The "hilarity" you feel is actually confusion; see, we discuss new cars here. Not 8 year old 5 Series that any teenager with some leftover summer job money can afford.

BJ
mwm1166 commented:
August 13, 2013, 3:34 am

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
A nicely-optioned F30 sets you back $50,000, a fully loaded F30 sets you back $60,000.

The "hilarity" you feel is actually confusion; see, we discuss new cars here. Not 8 year old 5 Series that any teenager with some leftover summer job money can afford.

BJ
I change my mind I won't be that guy....
hans007 commented:
August 13, 2013, 6:45 am

so i live in west LA and i realize the 3 series is kind of like in a middle ground.

cars more than say $30k or so , generally are more than $30k because of some combination of being really great to drive, very large, a status symbol, or very luxurious. sometimes they are a combination of some of those factors.

as boltjames will say , the 3 series is many cars to many people. in LA its a pretty typical car at this point. i think most people don't care, but it depends on who that person is. for a person who aspires to buy a status symbol in their mind and wants a base line 320i with no options (terrible car by the way, probably better off just not getting it in my opinion) they see a person who HAS a bmw and they feel envy. this is probably most people in LA. LA is a big place . it has lots of BMWs. it also has way way way more people who are broke ass and couldnt afford one in their dreams. especially a new one. and tahts even after $300 lease deals for a 320i.

for a person who is a real auto enthusiast (and given LAs car culture there are a sizeable quantity of these too, though still a relatively small fraction) a bmw is the next car up on the rung you'll get tha tis better to drive than your car possibly (say if you are moving up from say i dunno an acura or something). that maybe you'll earn that someday and get to have even more fun driving. i guess for me before i had a BMW that is kind of how i thought. i mean its probably what i think when i see a ferrari driver. when i see a ferrari 458 i dont think damn i wish i had a ferrari so i could look like a "baller". i see the ferrari and i just want to drive it around aimlessly listening to that exhaust note. some people see it different ways.

now seeing as in LA theres BMWs everywhere no one reacts particularly to a lowly 3 series since there seriously 1000s of them. its just blah. though i'd say some i've seen at least turn their heads to look at mine. i mean its still a nicer than average car, but i think most of it is because its estoril blue and its just pops like that and catches the eye. so thats the only reaction i see.