Build your own 328d configurator live again on BMWUSA.com

by Tim Jones on June 8, 2013, 2:38 pm
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Build your own 328d configurator is up on BMWUSA.com. While not fully complete it gives you a good chance to play around and build your own 3 series diesel.

http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...modelcode=1435

There are a few bugs still so if you're looking for complete pricing and ordering details the pricing and ordering guides are still your best bet.

Build out your own 328d and let us know what the final price and configuration is.
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56 responses to Build your own 328d configurator live again on BMWUSA.com

Bratters123 commented:
June 8, 2013, 3:17 pm

Is this the Euro Spec 320d?


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bayoucity commented:
June 8, 2013, 3:32 pm

This is encouraging. BMW actually cares about diesel for NA. They are releasing both 328i & xDrive simultaneously. I am looking forward to 535d's build tool.
floydarogers commented:
June 8, 2013, 3:47 pm

Is the Sport Wagon there, too?
foxmccleod commented:
June 8, 2013, 5:53 pm

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Originally Posted by floydarogers View Post
Is the Sport Wagon there, too?
Yes, but it is incomplete. No lines, no packages.

http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...modelcode=14TD
bobogto commented:
June 8, 2013, 7:05 pm

No manual option. This sucks. Big time. Hope that it's just not complete.
floydarogers commented:
June 8, 2013, 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by foxmccleod View Post
Yes, but it is incomplete. No lines, no packages.
Thanks!
floydarogers commented:
June 8, 2013, 7:48 pm

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Originally Posted by bobogto View Post
No manual option. This sucks. Big time. Hope that it's just not complete.
We've known for more than 6 months that no manual was going to be offered. Where have you been?
bayoucity commented:
June 8, 2013, 7:51 pm

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Originally Posted by floydarogers View Post
We've known for more than 6 months that no manual was going to be offered. Where have you been?
LOL

skilletbgm commented:
June 8, 2013, 9:04 pm

nope, no 6MT option in the 328d per the ordering guide. 6MT is still a NC option on the 328i and 335i/x.

6MT is headed the way of the Dodo, unfortunately
d geek commented:
June 8, 2013, 11:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Bratters123 View Post
Is this the Euro Spec 320d?


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Functional equivalent of a 320d with the blueperformance option and auto trans.
m8o commented:
June 9, 2013, 12:09 am

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Originally Posted by Bratters123 View Post
Is this the Euro Spec 320d?
Yes. They insult our intelligence and can go jump in a river trying to name this 'close' to a 330d but give us a 320d level of performance. The hyper-milers might like this; I sure don't. Just give us a fk'n 330d already BMW/BMWUSA!
mr_clueless commented:
June 9, 2013, 12:09 am

I thought wood trim was going to be standard on the 328i...guess it didn't make it to the 328d.
d geek commented:
June 9, 2013, 12:12 am

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Originally Posted by m8o View Post
Yes. They insult our intelligence and can go jump in a river trying to name this 'close' to a 330d but give us a 320d level of performance. The hyper-milers might like this; I sure don't. Just give us a fk'n 330d already BMW/BMWUSA!
You can always get the "535d"
bayoucity commented:
June 9, 2013, 12:36 am

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Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Functional equivalent of a 320d with the blueperformance option and auto trans.
d, this is interesting. 328d has twin tail pipes comparing to its Euro counterparts. BMW has really put in serious effort to distinguish 328_ from 320_ in US market.



m8o commented:
June 9, 2013, 3:53 am

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Originally Posted by d geek View Post
You can always get the "535d"
I'm a wagon buyer for one. But in addition a 5-series is a much larger & heavier and more expensive vehicle. It's a level of vehicle that while I 'can' afford, I choose not to. This is as if I buy new I am one that buys and keeps them for near ever [my current '09 JCW is the only vehicle you see in my Mein Auto list that I'll ever be trading in in my life], and I'm philosophically against paying '5-series' prices, for the size and weight I don't want, but then to watch it depreciate to under $10K. The 3-series is at the sweet spot on the curve of 'right-sized' to 'right-priced' [tho I'd prefer starting even $10K under] and as a 330d 'right-performanced'. Plus, since we could get the 335d in the previous gen what's the reason for not getting the 330d now (preferably as the F31 here). The only way we may at this point is if we demand it enough.
d geek commented:
June 9, 2013, 11:29 am

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Originally Posted by m8o View Post
...Plus, since we could get the 335d in the previous gen what's the reason for not getting the 330d now (preferably as the F31 here). The only way we may at this point is if we demand it enough.
I don't think your written or spoken demands will have any impact on what any automaker offers. If BMW sees a surprisingly good market acceptance of the 535d compared to 535i then you could very well see them offer a 6cyl diesel in the 3er.
d geek commented:
June 9, 2013, 11:34 am

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Originally Posted by bayoucity View Post
d, this is interesting. 328d has twin tail pipes comparing to its Euro counterparts. BMW has really put in serious effort to distinguish 328_ from 320_ in US market.
I don't consider a "twin" tailpipe adapter to be anything more than aesthetics. Remember that they are trying to convince the general public that this is the equivalent of a 328i
m8o commented:
June 9, 2013, 6:38 pm

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Originally Posted by d geek View Post
I don't think your written or spoken demands will have any impact on what any automaker offers. If BMW sees a surprisingly good market acceptance of the 535d compared to 535i then you could very well see them offer a 6cyl diesel in the 3er.
I'm apt to agree with you and had trepidation at sharing my opinion (or further reply) at risk of people being sick of my saying it.
3ismagic# commented:
June 9, 2013, 8:24 pm

$46.5k for a 328d wagon with nothing but sport line. That's a whole lot of money for a car that is really sparse on features and has lame steering.
Sticman commented:
June 10, 2013, 12:24 am

Yes, its not perfect...some don't like the four cylinder and there's no manual option, but mine gets manufactured in two or three weeks. I got paddle shifters to compensate.
I loved my 335d but am looking forward to great mileage and pretty good torque.
ronnyb29 commented:
June 10, 2013, 1:31 am

wow, with same exact options that spec'ed out more than my 2012 335i, $800 cheaper if you count my 19" rims.
LINewYork commented:
June 10, 2013, 8:23 am

I noticed that leather interior is no longer included in the $3100 Premium Package with the 328d.

The Premium Package now includes: lumbar, comfort access, moon roof and sat. radio

Hopefully this is a mistake and it doesn't carryover to the 2014 gas engines.
jplev commented:
June 10, 2013, 9:42 am

When I do a config and add premium package, it shows leather at $0.
JoeFromPA commented:
June 10, 2013, 9:59 am

I wouldn't judge it until it's been out for awhile and fixed.

I'm curious to see how this engine does. It's more economical than the 335d was and quite frankly the f30 is better suited for a diesel sedan than the e90 platform was...

That being said, a huge component of the buyers of the 335d were people who loved the 425 lb/ft of torque and yet mid-30s mpg/600+ miles on a tank.

So let's see if more people will flock to the 328d now that it offers another ~10mpg at the expense of alot of power comparatively.

My guess is no.
davidc1 commented:
June 10, 2013, 10:09 am

My guess is yes. I didn't like the idea of 335d. Front heavy, RWD only, spinning wheels. Bigger diesel belongs in a bigger car like the 5 series and X5.
thegandalf commented:
June 10, 2013, 10:14 am

Dumb questions here: is my assumption correct?
The benefits of the diesel engines are greater when driving mostly highway? So if my daily commute has many starts/stops, pretty much like city driivng, would I still see a great advantage using diesel?
davidc1 commented:
June 10, 2013, 10:28 am

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Originally Posted by thegandalf View Post
Dumb questions here: is my assumption correct?
The benefits of the diesel engines are greater when driving mostly highway? So if my daily commute has many starts/stops, pretty much like city driivng, would I still see a great advantage using diesel?
I believe so. My understanding is that at idle, diesel uses a lot less fuel than gasoline. Also, for city driving, abundent torque way low results in pretty quick pick up to like 30mph or so.
stoked335d commented:
June 10, 2013, 11:29 am

I haven't been following 328d news but just noticed the wagon is available on the configurator same price as gas wagon.
floydarogers commented:
June 10, 2013, 12:04 pm

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Originally Posted by thegandalf View Post
Dumb questions here: is my assumption correct?
The benefits of the diesel engines are greater when driving mostly highway? So if my daily commute has many starts/stops, pretty much like city driivng, would I still see a great advantage using diesel?
We're still waiting for final EPA numbers (BMW is being extra-cautious due to the dispute with the EPA last year on the 328i). However, the company is hinting and everyone expects something like 32/45. The 8-speed tranny helps the diesels out even more than the gas engines.
moviebumm commented:
June 10, 2013, 12:23 pm

tim330i, where did you find the build your own 328d on the website for the United States market? I do not see it. Unless you click on the link you provided one would never find it.
stoked335d commented:
June 10, 2013, 12:47 pm

Click on Build your own directly below HOME and then choose 3 series. If you click on 3 at top you can't see it. Site needs updating it looks like.

EDIT: only see the wagon D now and sedan D is not there. They must be updating the site or something.
Sticman commented:
June 10, 2013, 2:48 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by LINewYork View Post
I noticed that leather interior is no longer included in the $3100 Premium Package with the 328d.

The Premium Package now includes: lumbar, comfort access, moon roof and sat. radio

Hopefully this is a mistake and it doesn't carryover to the 2014 gas engines.
The ordering guide, which is a click through on the Bimmerfest story, specifies that the ZPP Premium Package includes Leather Dakota.
bobogto commented:
June 11, 2013, 8:55 pm

Diesel has advantage on consumption in every state of driving. City/hwy, heavy foot or not. I used to have a '00 320d back home. It was impossible to get bad fuel economy. 100 mph on the hwy- 31mpg. Stay with the speed limits out of town and be very careful- 42 mpg. Normal city driving ~35mph speed limit 30mpg. Fun city winter driving-23 mpg. That was the worst I could ever do with couple of hours running on a snowy abandoned airfield. And this is from, at the time, a 10 year old car.
That said until premium reaches at least 7 bucks per gallon, am still good with my 540i.
tturedraider commented:
June 13, 2013, 1:05 pm

hmmm....d's are no longer on the website.
Mark K commented:
June 13, 2013, 1:52 pm

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Originally Posted by thegandalf View Post
Dumb questions here: is my assumption correct?
The benefits of the diesel engines are greater when driving mostly highway? So if my daily commute has many starts/stops, pretty much like city driivng, would I still see a great advantage using diesel?
Actually, if anything, it is the opposite. A lot of gasoline engines will do just fine nowadays while going steady speed on a highway. Where they fall off the cliff is in city driving. As poster above mentioned, I also cannot get under 30 mpg with my VW TDI (also old tech, 1.9 liter) whatever I do to it in city driving. Admittedly, I do a lot to it

I remember once testing a company car (2005 Accord, 4-cyl 2.4 liter) and driving it like idiot for about 100 miles strictly in the city driving. Result? 17 mpg. Best highway? 34 mpg. You will almost never see this gap with diesel (outside of true extremes). Jetta's best is 45 mpg, but that was extreme as I did all 550 miles in the winter at 70 mph on the Interstate on trip to Florida, normally she does 42 mpg on a highway with some passing, AC and 75-80 mph. As I said, worse you can do is 30 mpg by driving like an idiot in the city.
thegandalf commented:
June 13, 2013, 2:10 pm

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Originally Posted by davidc1 View Post
I believe so. My understanding is that at idle, diesel uses a lot less fuel than gasoline. Also, for city driving, abundent torque way low results in pretty quick pick up to like 30mph or so.
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Originally Posted by floydarogers View Post
We're still waiting for final EPA numbers (BMW is being extra-cautious due to the dispute with the EPA last year on the 328i). However, the company is hinting and everyone expects something like 32/45. The 8-speed tranny helps the diesels out even more than the gas engines.
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Originally Posted by bobogto View Post
Diesel has advantage on consumption in every state of driving. City/hwy, heavy foot or not. I used to have a '00 320d back home. It was impossible to get bad fuel economy. 100 mph on the hwy- 31mpg. Stay with the speed limits out of town and be very careful- 42 mpg. Normal city driving ~35mph speed limit 30mpg. Fun city winter driving-23 mpg. That was the worst I could ever do with couple of hours running on a snowy abandoned airfield. And this is from, at the time, a 10 year old car.
That said until premium reaches at least 7 bucks per gallon, am still good with my 540i.
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Originally Posted by Mark K View Post
Actually, if anything, it is the opposite. A lot of gasoline engines will do just fine nowadays while going steady speed on a highway. Where they fall off the cliff is in city driving. As poster above mentioned, I also cannot get under 30 mpg with my VW TDI (also old tech, 1.9 liter) whatever I do to it in city driving. Admittedly, I do a lot to it

I remember once testing a company car (2005 Accord, 4-cyl 2.4 liter) and driving it like idiot for about 100 miles strictly in the city driving. Result? 17 mpg. Best highway? 34 mpg. You will almost never see this gap with diesel (outside of true extremes). Jetta's best is 45 mpg, but that was extreme as I did all 550 miles in the winter at 70 mph on the Interstate on trip to Florida, normally she does 42 mpg on a highway with some passing, AC and 75-80 mph. As I said, worse you can do is 30 mpg by driving like an idiot in the city.
Thanks!
hansluc commented:
June 26, 2013, 9:18 pm

Looks like the configurator is up again - not sure the bugs are all worked out, because it looks like Sport line with leather is a $0 option.

http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...modelcode=14TD
floydarogers commented:
June 26, 2013, 9:20 pm

The F30 328d diesel sedan and F31 328dxt wagon are now available to be built on bmwusa.com, in the main build area off the 3-series menu.
moviebumm commented:
June 27, 2013, 12:08 pm

Why did BMW add the diesel 3 series to their website but didn't update the rest of the 3 series line up?
floydarogers commented:
June 27, 2013, 1:53 pm

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Originally Posted by moviebumm View Post
Why did BMW add the diesel 3 series to their website but didn't update the rest of the 3 series line up?
Probably waiting for 4-series data and release.

I pretty much hate their website and build setup. It's horribly slow, error prone, requires Flash, slow to respond, apparently Java-based, etc. No doubt it's hard to update, too, as it's overly complex IMO.
EstorilF30 commented:
June 27, 2013, 2:56 pm

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Originally Posted by floydarogers View Post
Probably waiting for 4-series data and release.

I pretty much hate their website and build setup. It's horribly slow, error prone, requires Flash, slow to respond, apparently Java-based, etc. No doubt it's hard to update, too, as it's overly complex IMO.
I agree I wish they'd update it to HTML5
skilletbgm commented:
June 27, 2013, 4:30 pm

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Originally Posted by floydarogers View Post
Probably waiting for 4-series data and release.

I pretty much hate their website and build setup. It's horribly slow, error prone, requires Flash, slow to respond, apparently Java-based, etc. No doubt it's hard to update, too, as it's overly complex IMO.
+Infinity -- I wish Flash would die and take Silverlight with it.


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Arciga18 commented:
June 29, 2013, 2:06 pm

So who has the inside scoop on a possible ECO-Credit
bmw_or_audi commented:
June 29, 2013, 2:42 pm

Almost $40K for a no-line diesel. Please remind me again why would anyone pick this car in the USA over the regular 328i?
floydarogers commented:
June 29, 2013, 3:35 pm

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
Almost $40K for a no-line diesel. Please remind me again why would anyone pick this car in the USA over the regular 328i?
Because the mileage will pay off the $1500 premium in less than 3 years.
bayoucity commented:
June 29, 2013, 4:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Arciga18 View Post
So who has the inside scoop on a possible ECO-Credit
You shall know next week.
bmw_or_audi commented:
June 30, 2013, 12:47 am

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Originally Posted by floydarogers View Post
Because the mileage will pay off the $1500 premium in less than 3 years.
That remains to be seen, but the 328i is a much faster car, and I could save a lot more by going for the 320i instead, which is the more comparable car in terms of power.
d geek commented:
June 30, 2013, 12:54 am

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
That remains to be seen, but the 328i is a much faster car, and I could save a lot more by going for the 320i instead, which is the more comparable car in terms of power.
Don't confuse horsepower with torque. The 'd has the same HP as the 320i but more torque than the 328i. The torque is what you feel when driving in normal everyday situations.

The 'd will have close to 45mpg highway.
bmw_or_audi commented:
June 30, 2013, 4:39 pm

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Originally Posted by d geek View Post
Don't confuse horsepower with torque. The 'd has the same HP as the 320i but more torque than the 328i. The torque is what you feel when driving in normal everyday situations.

The 'd will have close to 45mpg highway.
I am not confusing Hp and horsepower, but most people seem to think they are independent things. They are not. If you have one at a given RPM, then you have the other.

Hp = torque * engine rotational speed * crappy unit conversion factor.

In daily easy to moderate driving, yes, you feel the 'd being a little more powerful. But if you really call on the power, the very responsive 8-speed will quickly kick down and put you in the right powerband and the advantage is over.
d geek commented:
June 30, 2013, 5:02 pm

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
I am not confusing Hp and horsepower, but most people seem to think they are independent things. They are not. If you have one at a given RPM, then you have the other.

Hp = torque * engine rotational speed * crappy unit conversion factor.

In daily easy to moderate driving, yes, you feel the 'd being a little more powerful. But if you really call on the power, the very responsive 8-speed will quickly kick down and put you in the right powerband and the advantage is over.
So do you really think driving a 320i would be comparable to driving a 328d? The 'd has 40% more torque.

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
... I could save a lot more by going for the 320i instead, which is the more comparable car in terms of power.
bmw_or_audi commented:
June 30, 2013, 6:16 pm

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Originally Posted by d geek View Post
So do you really think driving a 320i would be comparable to driving a 328d? The 'd has 40% more torque.
God no. Absolutely not. First, let's forget about torque, because more torque "down low" also just means more Hp down low. So let's stick with Hp. now let's plot the Hp of both engines on some normalized RPM axis that puts the peak Hps at the same spot. These peaks are about the same. But as you move to lower RPMs, the diesel will have higher peak Hp there. So its curve will be "fatter."

Now if you are driving aggressively, meaning with aggressive gear selection, both engines are producing comparable Hp, and so the diesels low end Hp will not come into play at all.

But if you are driving around down, from stop to stop, then you have no choice but to go through the lower RPM range when you start and you will feel the difference there. You could negate that to some extent if you do high RPM launches, but no one will do that. But once you have gone through most of first gear, the 320 can match the diesel, as long as aggressive gearing is used. But again, I concede that most people rather be more relaxed with throttle and gearing, so the diesel will feel more powerful under those circumstances. But if you really ever need all the power, it's there to be tapped so long as you put the transmission in the right gear.

So how different they will feel will depend on the type of driving you are doing. I am sure you already know everything I said above. But I feel like it is important to elaborate on these details for anyone who is interested at all in the topic.

All else being equal, I would pick the engines in this order: 328, 328d, 320. But all else is not equal, so people will pick according to their priorities: price, mpgs, servicing, etc., all come into play.
fleuger99 commented:
July 1, 2013, 1:38 pm

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
God no. Absolutely not. First, let's forget about torque, because more torque "down low" also just means more Hp down low. So let's stick with Hp. now let's plot the Hp of both engines on some normalized RPM axis that puts the peak Hps at the same spot. These peaks are about the same. But as you move to lower RPMs, the diesel will have higher peak Hp there. So its curve will be "fatter."

Now if you are driving aggressively, meaning with aggressive gear selection, both engines are producing comparable Hp, and so the diesels low end Hp will not come into play at all.

But if you are driving around down, from stop to stop, then you have no choice but to go through the lower RPM range when you start and you will feel the difference there. You could negate that to some extent if you do high RPM launches, but no one will do that. But once you have gone through most of first gear, the 320 can match the diesel, as long as aggressive gearing is used. But again, I concede that most people rather be more relaxed with throttle and gearing, so the diesel will feel more powerful under those circumstances. But if you really ever need all the power, it's there to be tapped so long as you put the transmission in the right gear.

So how different they will feel will depend on the type of driving you are doing. I am sure you already know everything I said above. But I feel like it is important to elaborate on these details for anyone who is interested at all in the topic.

All else being equal, I would pick the engines in this order: 328, 328d, 320. But all else is not equal, so people will pick according to their priorities: price, mpgs, servicing, etc., all come into play.
How can you talk about performance and only focus on HP? HP = top end speed where as torque is acceleration. So, with a diesel having its peak torque low down in the RPM range that is what affect acceleration from a traffic light for example.

I had a VW Touareg TDI with the 3.0 litre V6 and off the line it was a beast but once I hit 80Mph it suddenly ran out of steam. It had 406lbs ft torque at only 2K RPM so pulled like a train. But top end HP was only 225Hp at 4K RPM.
Arciga18 commented:
July 1, 2013, 2:59 pm

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Originally Posted by bayoucity View Post
You shall know next week.

Sweet. I hope that I'm impressed.
bmw_or_audi commented:
July 16, 2013, 1:32 pm

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Originally Posted by fleuger99 View Post
How can you talk about performance and only focus on HP? HP = top end speed where as torque is acceleration. So, with a diesel having its peak torque low down in the RPM range that is what affect acceleration from a traffic light for example.
Repeat after me. If you know the max Hp at any given RPM, then you know the max torque at that RPM, and vice versa. Acceleration is a function of engine torque and transmission gearing (= torque at the wheels). It's no different than a bicycle with gears: on a high gear, you need a lot of force but you can pedal slowly; on a low gear, you need little force, but you better be able to pedal fast. Power gives you how the two combine to give you acceleration, or equivalently torque at the wheels. Power = torque x rotational speed.

The only reason that the diesel feels really strong at a traffic light is because car gears go only so low. But once you get going, that factor disappears. Although it is still there is you shift at lower RPMs, like many people do in normal driving. But power is a downshift away when you are moving, whereas that option is indeed not there at the traffic light.
floydarogers commented:
July 16, 2013, 3:24 pm

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Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi View Post
...The only reason that the diesel feels really strong at a traffic light is because car gears go only so low. But once you get going, that factor disappears...
There's a chart in the "Advanced Diesel with BluePerformance.pdf" file that's floating around the www that explains this very well (page 26).

Although the M57 makes much more torque than the N52 that is also charted there, notice that the torque curve for the N52 goes all the way to 7K, while the 425 ft-lb of the N57 starts dropping off at 2400 and redline is 4800. Because of the flat N52 torque curve, HP keeps rising to near the 7K redline (where it matches the M57). However, on the M57 the torque drops off before HP peaks - this is because rising RPM is still sufficient to increase HP (TQ * RPM * factor = HP).

Although the diesels have much taller differential gearing, it's not enough to compensate for the rapid drop-off in torque after 2400. The BMW triple-turbo diesel (M50d) uses the additional turbo to supply more air at high RPM to keep the torque curve at peak longer (I believe).
bmw_or_audi commented:
July 16, 2013, 5:12 pm

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Originally Posted by floydarogers View Post
Although the M57 makes much more torque than the N52 that is also charted there, notice that the torque curve for the N52 goes all the way to 7K, while the 425 ft-lb of the N57 starts dropping off at 2400 and redline is 4800. Because of the flat N52 torque curve, HP keeps rising to near the 7K redline (where it matches the M57). However, on the M57 the torque drops off before HP peaks - this is because rising RPM is still sufficient to increase HP (TQ * RPM * factor = HP).

Although the diesels have much taller differential gearing, it's not enough to compensate for the rapid drop-off in torque after 2400.
That's exactly it. The diesel has to shift up, which means less torque at the wheels.

Just a note though. Hp always peaks at a higher RPM than torque. You can prove this using basic calculus. I actually have it written out somewhere on vwvortex.com. Only some very minor assumptions had to be made, which are valid for every engine power/torque I have seen so far (basically, if you don't have any double peaks in the torque, you are guaranteed this property).