Study finds BMW drivers really are jerks

by Bimmerfest.com Member - Teemo Panda on August 13, 2013, 7:53 pm
They are saying prius drivers are better behaved than BMW Drivers, This just makes me cry

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http://autos.yahoo.com/news/bmw-driv...214456020.html

Drivers of BMWs frequently come in for anecdotal criticism for habits on the road that are perceived as aggressive.

Now, a couple of studies, one in the U.S. and another from the U.K., appear to provide statistical evidence that BMW drivers are, to be polite about it, complete jerks.

In the older study, by researchers at the University of California, BMW drivers were far less likely to stop for a pedestrian who had just entered a crosswalk, the New York Times notes.

"In our crosswalk study, none of the cars in the beater-car category drove through the crosswalk. They always stopped for pedestrians," researcher Paul K. Piff told the paper. He added that not only were "fancy cars were less likely to stop," but also that "BMW drivers were the worst."

Drivers of BMWs and other high-status cars (including Prius hybrids) were also more likely to cheat at four-way-stop intersections, according to the research.

In the second study, in the U.K., motorists were asked to identify the make and color of the car from which they have most frequently suffered road-rage incidents, the Daily Mail reports.

The study of 2,837 motorists found men between the ages of 35 and 50 driving blue BMWs were most likely to be reported as having engaged in road-rage behaviors such as aggressive driving and swearing.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...age-wheel.html

Men who drive blue BMWs are more likely to be aggressive than motorists in any other car, a study claims.
And the peak time for drivers to get angry is 5.45pm on a Friday as they fight the rush-hour – followed by the dismal Monday morning commute.
The likeliest road rage culprits are men aged 35-50 with blue BMW cars, the study of 2,837 motorists found. Drivers also reported run-ins with owners of Land Rovers, Audis, Subarus and Vauxhalls.

Blue was seen as the most aggressive colour, followed by black, silver, green and red.
Men said they lost their temper behind the wheel seven times a month on average, while women got angry on only three occasions.


Drivers most often expressed road rage by shouting and swearing, followed by erratic driving and obscene gestures, the study for discount website VoucherCodesPro revealed.
The poll also found, unsurprisingly, that Monday morning and Friday evening proved to be the most stressful times, when motorists are queuing to get to and from work.

Motorists were asked the pick the make and colour of car from which they have experienced the most incidents of road rage - and blue BMWs came out on top.
George Charles of VoucherCodesPro said: 'During peak periods of traffic, whether it be the Monday morning school run or the hectic rush hour on a Friday evening, it is all too easy to allow the common manifestations of road rage to get the better of us as motorists.
'This research, although slightly humorous in some of its findings, does indicate an important point.
'Road rage is not something to be taken lightly and these results show that many motorists need to remind themselves that sometimes losing your temper whilst driving can result in serious altercations, assaults, and collisions that cause injuries or worse.
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http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013...suggests/?_r=1

Jokes about BMW drivers being, on average, somewhat less than courteous are fairly common. They often run along the lines of, "Despite its good brakes, a BMW will usually stop with a jerk." Sometimes the language is more colorful.

Now scientific research supports the unwritten and broadly circulated theory that people in BMWs are lacking in road manners. Paul K. Piff, a researcher at the Institute of Personality and Social Research at the University of California, Berkeley, has conducted a study linking bad driving habits with wealth.

The traffic study, part of a larger body of research relating behavior and wealth, pitted pedestrians against passing motorists. It was published in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in 2012.

In California, where the study was conducted, state law requires motorists to stop at crosswalks when pedestrians are present, allowing them to cross the road. Mr. Piff said his team selected a specific crosswalk to observe, then had a pedestrian appear on the edge of the curb as a car approached. As the pedestrian stepped into the road, a researcher marked down the driver's reaction to the pedestrian. This was done with 152 drivers.

The team also watched a four-way-stop intersection over a week, noting how likely drivers were to cut in front of others when it was not their turn to go. In their observation of 274 cars, the researchers found that the more expensive ones were more likely to jump their turns in the four-way rotation, Mr. Piff said.

In addition to describing drivers' behavior in both locations, the researcher was to indicate the sex and age of each driver as well as the age and appearance of the cars, with a "1" signifying beat-up, low-value cars and a "5" given to top-of-the-line models from the likes of BMW and Mercedes-Benz.

Mr. Piff said about eight of every 10 cars "did the right thing."

"But you see this huge boost in a driver's likelihood to commit infractions in more expensive cars," he said. "In our crosswalk study, none of the cars in the beater-car category drove through the crosswalk. They always stopped for pedestrians."

The study also found that male drivers were less likely to stop for pedestrians than were women, and that drivers of both sexes were more likely to stop for a female pedestrian than a male one.

"One of the most significant trends was that fancy cars were less likely to stop," said Mr. Piff, adding, "BMW drivers were the worst."

In the San Francisco Bay Area, where the hybrid gas-and-electric-powered Toyota Prius is considered a status symbol among the environmentally conscious, the researchers classified it as a premium model.

"In our higher-status vehicle category, Prius drivers had a higher tendency to commit infractions than most," Mr. Piff said.


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127 responses to Study finds BMW drivers really are jerks

Elk commented:
August 13, 2013, 8:49 pm

The answer to the question: "People's Reactions To You Driving A BMW?"
furby076 commented:
August 13, 2013, 8:58 pm

F u!
Elk commented:
August 13, 2013, 9:03 pm

Adding another data point to the evidence?
virtguy commented:
August 13, 2013, 9:06 pm

I hate it when my wife is right.
Teemo Panda commented:
August 13, 2013, 9:06 pm

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I hate it when my wife is right.
Lol, im guessing your wife hates you cuz you drive a BMW and she drives a MB
virtguy commented:
August 13, 2013, 9:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Teemo Panda View Post
Lol, im guessing your wife hates you cuz you drive a BMW and she drives a MB
No, she drives a BMW, too. But I drive the blue one.
bayoucity commented:
August 13, 2013, 11:15 pm

Teemo, it appears that your ride is bleeding Smurf blue. What gives?

boltjaM3s commented:
August 13, 2013, 11:25 pm

To own a BMW, one must be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country.

To be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country, one must be aggressive and decisive.

In order to be aggressive and decisive, one must trust one's abilities and instincts.

To trust one's abilities and instincts on the road, one must drive a capable car.

In order to drive a capable car, one must have the money to afford one.

For the typical 48 year old upwardly-mobile businessman on a daily commute, the BMW 3 Series is the most capable car that allows his abilities and instincts to flow and drive aggressively and decisively while letting the rest of the world know he is amongst the upper 10% of earners.

BJ
Teemo Panda commented:
August 14, 2013, 12:23 am

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Originally Posted by bayoucity View Post
Teemo, it appears that your ride is bleeding Smurf blue. What gives?
Sorry, it had its period awhile ago, unfortunately my Local Municipal public works had a hard time removing it

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
To own a BMW, one must be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country.

To be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country, one must be aggressive and decisive.

In order to be aggressive and decisive, one must trust one's abilities and instincts.

To trust one's abilities and instincts on the road, one must drive a capable car.

In order to drive a capable car, one must have the money to afford one.

For the typical 48 year old upwardly-mobile businessman on a daily commute, the BMW 3 Series is the most capable car that allows his abilities and instincts to flow and drive aggressively and decisively while letting the rest of the world know he is amongst the upper 10% of earners.

BJ
Interesting explanation BJ
petersmith commented:
August 14, 2013, 12:43 am

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
To own a BMW, one must be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country.

To be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country, one must be aggressive and decisive.

In order to be aggressive and decisive, one must trust one's abilities and instincts.

To trust one's abilities and instincts on the road, one must drive a capable car.

In order to drive a capable car, one must have the money to afford one.

For the typical 48 year old upwardly-mobile businessman on a daily commute, the BMW 3 Series is the most capable car that allows his abilities and instincts to flow and drive aggressively and decisively while letting the rest of the world know he is amongst the upper 10% of earners.

BJ
you make alot of good points. but you don't have to be in the top 10% of wealth to own a bmw. being able to pay $400 a month doesn't put you in the top 10%. maybe top 50-60%.
mwm1166 commented:
August 14, 2013, 1:14 am

LMAO, I read this today which was the day I got my confirmation of my 435i ED delivery date on October 7. I laughed my butt off because I have a reputation for letting hand gestures fly my wife says. I ordered an estoril blue car. However, after being hit in a crosswalk, I am never a person who will turn in front of pedestrians, I know the consequences to that. This feels like a good reminder to calm down.
av98 commented:
August 14, 2013, 2:29 am

It seems to come down to the great expanded vehicle control that's allowed in luxury/premium euro cars vs the common domestic/JDM brands. The later doesn't put a premium on car control as the majority of drivers find this too stiff for their liking.

As for the A hole ecoterrorist Prius drivers, they seem to have this sense of entitlement to force everybody to slow down and save the environment by hypermiling. What they don't realize is that they are the most annoying speed bumps during a commute. I don't mind forcing them down to 35 mph on the freeways so that they get a ticket for obstructing traffic in the fast lane (had this happen once, was very gratifying); their fault for not wanting to move.


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Technic commented:
August 14, 2013, 5:52 am

You damn skippy...

At least BMW drivers are not passive aggressive, like Minivan, Hybrid and Full Size SUVs drivers which drive with fake kindness and then cut you off.

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
To own a BMW, one must be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country.

To be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country, one must be aggressive and decisive.

In order to be aggressive and decisive, one must trust one's abilities and instincts.

To trust one's abilities and instincts on the road, one must drive a capable car.

In order to drive a capable car, one must have the money to afford one.

For the typical 48 year old upwardly-mobile businessman on a daily commute, the BMW 3 Series is the most capable car that allows his abilities and instincts to flow and drive aggressively and decisively while letting the rest of the world know he is amongst the upper 10% of earners.

BJ
Guy3Series commented:
August 14, 2013, 9:27 am

HaHa..Funniest comments I read in that article...Our whole purpose (thread)of BMW perception had garnered new heights thanks to yahoo!


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What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?

The pricks are on the inside of the BMW.

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The wealthier they are, the more special they think they are and above the law.


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I knew a Bemer service writer (and of course drove one also) and he was an #$%$ h0le !

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Amaxing; I was driving with my girlfriend yesterday and was actually somewhat embarrassed about making such a generalization, but this really rings true. BMW markets to mid-life males frustrated with control issues.
And then this....


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Ford has been the best..If u want a DRIVERS car, go German-period.
windsor027 commented:
August 14, 2013, 9:34 am

Damn, BJ you see you are giving all of us a bad name....
fleuger99 commented:
August 14, 2013, 9:42 am

OP, I think you misunderstood. Prius drivers are as bad as BMW drivers not better behaved
retiredat44 commented:
August 14, 2013, 9:50 am

I personally think a lot of people in larger pickups and 4x4 are really big jerks on the road... mostly they tailgate and do it without any hesitation. I hope they get the death penalty when they run over someone..
AzWildcatG commented:
August 14, 2013, 10:07 am

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
To own a BMW, one must be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country.

To be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country, one must be aggressive and decisive.

In order to be aggressive and decisive, one must trust one's abilities and instincts.

To trust one's abilities and instincts on the road, one must drive a capable car.

In order to drive a capable car, one must have the money to afford one.

For the typical 48 year old upwardly-mobile businessman on a daily commute, the BMW 3 Series is the most capable car that allows his abilities and instincts to flow and drive aggressively and decisively while letting the rest of the world know he is amongst the upper 10% of earners.

BJ
Only from you BJ!

Epic post!
bighorns commented:
August 14, 2013, 10:13 am

I don't understand why most people consider passive/aggressive drivers polite? They are the very reason I turn into a prick, and I needed a better tool to deal with them, hence my purchase of a BMW!
AzWildcatG commented:
August 14, 2013, 10:44 am

From my experiences, people are very much more aggressive towards me while I'm driving the BMW vs my Infiniti. I roar past other cars in my Infiniti with it's deep sounding exhaust system and for the most part other cars stay away from me. At a traffic light, people in the lane next to do not try to jump on me once the light changes to green. Most wait until I'm rolling first to take off. Granted, my Infiniti is not your basic looking and sounding (even at idle) G35. In the BMW, I swoosh past other cars in it's quite stealth mode and people speed up to catch me to tail gate or want to re-pass me. All types of cars (SUVs, basic sedans, trucks) and both male and females do this aggressive driving around my BMW. If they re-pass me, they want to block me with another car side by side on the freeway. At a traffic light, it's 50/50 if they wanted to get the jump on me. It they get the jump on me, 90% of the time they will immediately switch into my lane to be in front of me. I start laughing at them once the switch into my lane is made!
beden1 commented:
August 14, 2013, 10:48 am

I think it's because other drivers view BMW owners as social status wannabees. I get treated with much more respect and politeness from other drivers when driving my Porsche, thankfully!
Snareman commented:
August 14, 2013, 11:32 am

Yea, I get pissed when I'm driving, but mostly only because other people can't seem to understand that you aren't supposed to go 20mph in the left lane while talking on your cell phone completely oblivious to the rest of the world and are supposed to move over if someone if behind you looking like they might want to pass. If society followed that rule the highways would be a much nicer place.
Teemo Panda commented:
August 14, 2013, 11:42 am

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Originally Posted by Snareman View Post
Yea, I get pissed when I'm driving, but mostly only because other people can't seem to understand that you aren't supposed to go 20mph in the left lane while talking on your cell phone completely oblivious to the rest of the world and are supposed to move over if someone if behind you looking like they might want to pass. If society followed that rule the highways would be a much nicer place.
I see that all the time bro, it always makes me rage >_
Snareman commented:
August 14, 2013, 11:45 am

If BMW drivers are the rudest, where is the study for the stupidest most annoying drivers? I'd think those would be bigger offenders.
Dr. 328xi commented:
August 14, 2013, 12:42 pm

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Drivers of BMWs and other high-status cars (including Prius hybrids)
Um...what? High-status cars including Prius? Where is this considered a "status" vehicle?

Nothing Toyota has ever or will ever produce (and I include slapping an L logo on a camry and calling it a luxury car - lexus... ) will be a "high status" car. Certainly not the awkward smug-slug prius...

And yes, this comment makes me a typical BMW jerk, but come on...a Prius?!
minn19 commented:
August 14, 2013, 2:46 pm

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Originally Posted by Snareman View Post
Yea, I get pissed when I'm driving, but mostly only because other people can't seem to understand that you aren't supposed to go 20mph in the left lane while talking on your cell phone completely oblivious to the rest of the world and are supposed to move over if someone if behind you looking like they might want to pass. If society followed that rule the highways would be a much nicer place.
Agreed, it's about the only time I get aggressive on the freeway. Even then though, I'm not glued to somebodys ass waiting to pass or cut them off when I change back in to the left lane to continue on my way.

I think this is a regional issue also, in Minnesota we have a lot of rednecks in lift kitted 4*4 pick ups that like to try and run people off of the road...even in a heavy snowstorm. It also seems like I have a lot of people in sh**boxes that cut me off or want to out accelerate me to a spot on the freeway for some reason? Not to be sexist, but I drive 60,000 miles a year for personal/business and the stereotypical soccer mom in a mini-van or SUV scare me the most. They seem to be the most aggressive drivers I encounter on a continuous basis.

Apparently, since I have an IB color 3er it seems I am predisposed to being an aggressive ahole driver. So be it.
furby076 commented:
August 14, 2013, 3:36 pm

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OP, I think you misunderstood. Prius drivers are as bad as BMW drivers not better behaved
You have it wrong. BJ does not give us a bad name, he just cultivates our message.
furby076 commented:
August 14, 2013, 3:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Dr. 328xi View Post
Um...what? High-status cars including Prius? Where is this considered a "status" vehicle?

Nothing Toyota has ever or will ever produce (and I include slapping an L logo on a camry and calling it a luxury car - lexus... ) will be a "high status" car. Certainly not the awkward smug-slug prius...

And yes, this comment makes me a typical BMW jerk, but come on...a Prius?!
Well there is one lexus that is high status

As for Prius - there are certain parts of the country that not having a prius (or other hybrids) works against you. Typically it's those bleeding heart liberal colleges in california with their hippy loving granola eating shower once a week to save the environment while having sex (err hugging) a tree, people who think Prius = status.
328 M Sport commented:
August 14, 2013, 3:53 pm

The study found men between the ages of 35 and 50 driving a blue BMW were most likely to engage in road-rage behaviors such as aggressive

Are you F***ing kidding me??? What kinda BS is this?? I'm 50 and drive a BLUE BMW!! This REALLY pisses me off!!!! I gotta take a drive now to let off some steam!!
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bayoucity commented:
August 14, 2013, 3:59 pm

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
Well there is one lexus that is high status

As for Prius - there are certain parts of the country that not having a prius (or other hybrids) works against you. Typically it's those bleeding heart liberal colleges in california with their hippy loving granola eating shower once a week to save the environment while having sex (err hugging) a tree, people who think Prius = status.
+1

I have lost count of how many Prii I have seen while visiting movie studio 2 weeks ago. If you want to make it in Hollywood, you have to be seen in Prius.
bayoucity commented:
August 14, 2013, 4:03 pm

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... I'm 50 and drive a BLUE BMW!! This REALLY pisses me off!!!! I gotta take a drive now to let off some steam!!
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You are same age as BJ. I'm starting to think most of you here are at least 10-20 years older than me.
bayoucity commented:
August 14, 2013, 4:13 pm

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Originally Posted by minn19 View Post
...Not to be sexist, but I drive 60,000 miles a year for personal/business and the stereotypical soccer mom in a mini-van or SUV scare me the most. They seem to be the most aggressive drivers I encounter on a continuous basis.
...
Hmmm... lighten up eh?

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Originally Posted by minn19 View Post
I bet your the guy that still has 69 on his softball jersey and thinks it is funny. Any more witty original quips like that?

I crack up when I see other forum members making remarks like this as for some reason women can't be good drivers or car enthusiasts. My wife wanted to help me put in the JB4 Stage 1 and couldn't wait to see what it could do after it was installed. She also convinced me to buy the bimmer as I was on the fence about spending the money on it. Glad she talked me in to it as it is the best overall and most fun car I've ever had.

I have volunteered at a local police department for the last four years and I am reasonably sure that some of our female officers could out drive most people on this forum while they are in their Crown Vic squads against members Bimmers. It is also funny to see guys get lippy with them and they are soon begging for mercy inside of five seconds when they are subdued for arrest.
Mark K commented:
August 14, 2013, 5:42 pm

What a bunch of bullsh|t! I just got road raged this morning in a ... wait for it ... effing CAMRY!

His story: So there I was sitting at the light talking to Sam, you know? So, we were like half a mil up for the project, no way man! - know what I mean ... wasn't talking to Betty and negotiating a nooner or anything, it was important. I see car next to me start and I roll. I look at my rearview mirror and there's this guy gesticulating and yelling and whatnot. When I got to do a U-turn, the idiot passes me on the right where they widened-out the highway for truck to turn. Then he speeds up like an idiot for the next light he almost hit the guy turning ahead of him. I don't know where are the cops when you need them, man. SO he tries and almost hits another car before he got red to turn left and I just blasted past going straight like my finger extended through the window

My story: the foocken idiot got p|ssed because somebody was upset with his sitting on the light doing God knows what when the light changed to green. You don't have to believe me, but minimum 3 and maximum 5 cars passed him on the left in the next lane before he woke up. Why did he get pissed? Because HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG and I dared to be upset with his behavior. That's why. That's also why 90% road-raging loosers get into road rage - they DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.

So, in a society where this behavior explained above is absolutely normal, when they say BMW drivers are ass*holes and aggressive drivers - I can only say one thing: "Go pound sand." When I feel magnanimous, I might say "Tell mothers to start teaching manners to their kids. Maybe then BMW drivers won't behave like ass*holes."
Zeichen311 commented:
August 14, 2013, 5:51 pm

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Originally Posted by 328 M Sport View Post
Are you F***ing kidding me??? What kinda BS is this?? I'm 50 and drive a BLUE BMW!! This REALLY pisses me off!!!!
Jerk.
-=Hot|Ice=- commented:
August 14, 2013, 5:58 pm

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
You have it wrong. BJ does not give us a bad name, he just cultivates our message.
minn19 commented:
August 14, 2013, 7:30 pm

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Originally Posted by bayoucity View Post
Hmmm... lighten up eh?
Nice cherry picking of a post. I think there is a difference between observations and outright insults at the expense of another group of people . Such as F30's were built for women or effeminate men who couldn't deal with the heavy steering of an E90 or the harsh suspension/to sporty of a car for said group's of people. Besides, I already admitted in my post I was making a generalized comment and was possibly being sexist and stereotypical.

For instance:

1. Bayoucity is from the south where the education system is not held in high regards compared to the rest of the nation. Therefore, he misunderstood my post because he went through said system and his reading comprehension is low like everybody else from the south.

2. Bayoucity was obsessed with calling somebody a hypocrite so he cherry picked part of a post to make a point and say gotcha!

Can you tell the difference Bayoucity?
bayoucity commented:
August 14, 2013, 7:34 pm

^ Okay, we at least know how you feel about Southerner.
minn19 commented:
August 14, 2013, 7:53 pm

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^ Okay, we at least know how you feel about Southerner.
It was sarcasm to illustrate a point. I'm sure you graduated from MIT or something.
chris328 commented:
August 14, 2013, 7:56 pm

i only stop for elderly or good looking women. fat chicks, bros, middle aged dudes, whatever, i just blow by, sometimes i even give them a bad look, like wtf do you think you're doing!
bayoucity commented:
August 14, 2013, 8:00 pm

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Originally Posted by minn19 View Post
It was sarcasm to illustrate a point. I'm sure you graduated from MIT or something.
LOL. I'm hoping you will continue in the spirit of this thread's title.

So, how's part-time neighborhood watching business treating you lately?
minn19 commented:
August 14, 2013, 8:16 pm

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Originally Posted by bayoucity View Post
LOL. I'm hoping you will continue in the spirit of this thread's title.

So, how's part-time neighborhood watching business treating you lately?
Paying the same it has for the last four years. Still having fun helping out though.
chiba commented:
August 14, 2013, 8:41 pm

At least jerks pay attention to the road and don't swerve well past the yellow line.. This B@#ch in a volvo suv scared the crap out of me today.. Her head was down, I guess she was trying to reach something.. Not as important as your life B!%ch!!

Rant over,
dwlink commented:
August 14, 2013, 9:12 pm

I'd really like to see the raw data as I'm sure the results are open to better interpretation.

Luxury cars are less common so whenever they noticed a driver of one of those cars not "doing the right thing" the proportion will inherently be higher per occurrence. I'm wondering what type of normalization that was done - if any.

Also, as someone else mentioned, typically people who drive nice cars have a more assertive personality - assuming the car wasn't gift or the individual wasn't just born into wealth. So of course if 4 cars are at an intersection, the one with the more assertive personality is going to go if all the other mediocre drivers are just sitting still.

They should also really consider the passengers in the car itself. I'm sure a family would be more likely to stop than a single male. But how many people use a sporty blue BMW as a family car and how many single guys who call themselves men drive around in prius or some kinda prissy minivan?

As far as I'm concerned, their study is as good as a 3rd graders quantum physics homework.
Nordique commented:
August 14, 2013, 9:24 pm

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Originally Posted by retiredat44 View Post
I personally think a lot of people in larger pickups and 4x4 are really big jerks on the road... mostly they tailgate and do it without any hesitation. I hope they get the death penalty when they run over someone..
The worst drivers I see are in big trucks, Escalades, and Harley's (the latter often too slow, but always the noisiest).

As for 'retiredat44,' thank you for your service and my prayers for your longevity.
Teemo Panda commented:
August 14, 2013, 10:49 pm

their findings are really basiased,

I see people all the time of various makes not doing their signals, going like a turtle, and alot more. IMO, that justifies my road rage

Now they just point out us BMW owners as a whole?
bayoucity commented:
August 14, 2013, 11:03 pm

In all honesty, BMW drivers are mostly jerks because our ultimate driving machine enable us to drive as such. If any doubt arises, you can try doing so in a commoners' mobile & see for yourself.
elistan commented:
August 15, 2013, 12:11 am

It wasn't studies, it was a study. Actually, it wasn't a study, it was a poll. On a website. For UK "discount vouchers." Coupons, I assume. That same website had a poll showing the iPad Mini would be a flop. Make of it what you will.

http://www.vouchercodespro.co.uk/
boltjaM3s commented:
August 15, 2013, 12:19 am

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Originally Posted by bayoucity View Post
You are same age as BJ. I'm starting to think most of you here are at least 10-20 years older than me.
The average age of a BMW 3 Series driver is 48.

So for every 30 year old, there's a 70 year old.

BJ
boltjaM3s commented:
August 15, 2013, 12:23 am

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Originally Posted by windsor027 View Post
Damn, BJ you see you are giving all of us a bad name....
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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
You have it wrong. BJ does not give us a bad name, he just cultivates our message.
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Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=- View Post
The irony? In 2006 I was preaching this Blue Yahoo Theory and no one wanted to recognize it.

Now it's accepted fact.

BJ
Carnook commented:
August 15, 2013, 12:03 pm

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Originally Posted by elistan View Post
It wasn't studies, it was a study. Actually, it wasn't a study, it was a poll. On a website. For UK "discount vouchers." Coupons, I assume. That same website had a poll showing the iPad Mini would be a flop. Make of it what you will.

http://www.vouchercodespro.co.uk/
So what you're saying is that because it was on the Internet it must be true?


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furby076 commented:
August 15, 2013, 1:13 pm

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Originally Posted by 328 M Sport View Post
The study found men between the ages of 35 and 50 driving a blue BMW were most likely to engage in road-rage behaviors such as aggressive

Are you F***ing kidding me??? What kinda BS is this?? I'm 50 and drive a BLUE BMW!! This REALLY pisses me off!!!! I gotta take a drive now to let off some steam!!
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2013 Estroil Blue II 328i XDrive M Sport
I see why you rage so much, based on this study, in less than one year you will no longer be able to rage. Maybe viagra can help with that conundrum?

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wasn't talking to Betty and negotiating a nooner or anything, it was important
Please tell us more about this "nooner"

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i only stop for elderly or good looking women. fat chicks, bros, middle aged dudes, whatever, i just blow by, sometimes i even give them a bad look, like wtf do you think you're doing!
You stop for old people? Shoot, if you can't move out of the way in your stroller then that's your problem.

Oh, and you better stop for Furbys!
serge_ua commented:
August 16, 2013, 10:09 am

It is really sad that such journalism exist. In the first two paragraphs, the author of NY Times article claims that there is a scientific proof between owning a BMW and the degree of jerkiness. In Paul K. Piff study referenced in the article, the researchers find a link between the perceived vehicle status (as a subjective observers' combined measure of make, age, and appearance, and ranked 1 to 5) and amount off cut-offs of other cars and pedestrians. Note that no brands are mentioned in the original study, just the perceived vehicle status, without any explanation of how the status for each vehicle was exactly obtained (and the status determination was let purely to the observers). Then, Paul K. Piff *mentions* to NY Times columnist that BMW drivers are the worst (no stats are given). And boom - we have a scientific proof What I like even more is that treehugger.com referenced the NY Times article. They were diligent enough to cite the source with the graphs: http://www.treehugger.com/cars/study...ind-wheel.html
They gladly repeat the adage about BMW drivers, but conveniently omit the mentioning of Prius drivers in the same article:
“In our higher-status vehicle category, Prius drivers had a higher tendency to commit infractions than most,” Mr. Piff said.
The UK study also has gaping holes to be claimed a statistical research. From my personal experience, if expensive car cuts me off, my first reaction is "what a jerk", and i am likely to remember the brand. If a "regular" car/minivan/SUV cuts me off, I usually think: well, that dude/girl must have a really rough day (or simply did not learn how to drive), without leaving a mental note of the car brand. So, making "statistical" studies based on purely emotional responses is bogus, to say the least.
bighorns commented:
August 16, 2013, 10:19 am

As others have mentioned, I get cut off, hemmed in, flipped off, etc. far more often in my BMW than I do in the minivan, and since I have the means to retaliate, I will, hence I am a douchy BMW owner. I would like to see this information included in their "study"; the WHY!
Dr. 328xi commented:
August 16, 2013, 10:22 am

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Originally Posted by serge_ua View Post
It is really sad that such journalism exist. In the first two paragraphs, the author of NY Times article claims that there is a scientific proof between owning a BMW and the degree of jerkiness.
It's been a long time since the NY Times has done any real "journalism." It's nothing more than a rag to sell ad space these days through shock and "infotainment" stories. Their medical "research" coverage is equally pathetic. WSJ is about the last print paper worthy of being called "journalism" these days, but the NY Times is a joke...


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Elk commented:
August 16, 2013, 11:21 am

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Originally Posted by bighorns View Post
I get cut off, hemmed in, flipped off, etc. far more often in my BMW than I do in the minivan, and since I have the means to retaliate, I will . . .
Why bother?

All you have accomplished is to engage in the same bratty, selfish ten-year old behavior of the first driver - firmly placing you at his diminished level. And you have helped to establish BMW drivers are indeed jerks. I can only imagine the personal satisfaction of the retaliating BMW owner.

I am appreciating the irony of the many complaints the study is wrong, immediately followed by proud declarations of precisely those obnoxious acts and attitudes found in the study.
Mark K commented:
August 16, 2013, 3:08 pm

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
Please tell us more about this "nooner"
Re-read my post - that was "His story", you should ask him
jlukja commented:
August 16, 2013, 5:21 pm

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Originally Posted by serge_ua View Post
....

From my personal experience, if expensive car cuts me off, my first reaction is "what a jerk", and i am likely to remember the brand. If a "regular" car/minivan/SUV cuts me off, I usually think: well, that dude/girl must have a really rough day (or simply did not learn how to drive), without leaving a mental note of the car brand. So, making "statistical" studies based on purely emotional responses is bogus, to say the least.
I completely agree. Its almost self perpetuating. John or Jane Doe get cut off by a [fill in the black with non-BMW brand] they think, "what an #%$&!". John or Jane Doe get cut off by a BMW and they think, "another BMW #%$&!".
e46jocky commented:
August 16, 2013, 8:02 pm

Being a new member as I read through some of the posts I get the feeling this attitude carries over into some of the answers to questions asked. I would think that most people come here, as I did, seeking help not demeaning or smarta$$ answers.
modifiede30 commented:
August 16, 2013, 8:11 pm

If all the assholes would just get the f*&% out of the left hand lane when a BMW was behind them I bet this wouldn't be an issue.
minn19 commented:
August 16, 2013, 8:12 pm

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Originally Posted by e46jocky View Post
Being a new member as I read through some of the posts I get the feeling this attitude carries over into some of the answers to questions asked. I would think that most people come here, as I did, seeking help not demeaning or smarta$$ answers.
A little harsh? Their are plenty of people here that are willing to help and there is great info on this site. There is always going to be a smarta$s on any forum. New to the internet? Couldn't resist, sorry. I've noticed posts like these just elicit many more comments that you are not looking for.
e46jocky commented:
August 16, 2013, 8:14 pm

I think that applies to all makes to the jerks that like to cruise in the left hand lane. My bumper sticker, EXTRA LARGE, states "DRIVE RIGHT - PASS LEFT".
e46jocky commented:
August 16, 2013, 8:16 pm

I agree completely. The posts here have been invaluable.
modifiede30 commented:
August 16, 2013, 8:34 pm

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Originally Posted by e46jocky View Post
I think that applies to all makes to the jerks that like to cruise in the left hand lane. My bumper sticker, EXTRA LARGE, states "DRIVE RIGHT - PASS LEFT".
Its funny how as we travel south, the cruisers in the left hand lane increase to the point where the left hand lane has no meaning. By the time I get to Maryland, there's really no distinguishing between a passing lane and a traveling lane. Hate to see what its like further south.
e46jocky commented:
August 16, 2013, 9:20 pm

The further south you go the higher the concentration of retired northerners.
bayoucity commented:
August 16, 2013, 9:41 pm

There are too many Yankee transplants in the south.
Zeichen311 commented:
August 16, 2013, 11:23 pm

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There are too many Yankee transplants in the south.
So you must know the difference between a Yankee and a Damn Yankee...?
Kamdog commented:
August 16, 2013, 11:37 pm

My BMW is blue, but let me tell you what ticks me off. I am a retired guy, in my sixties, so I usually don't have to get anywhere quick. So, while I am moseying along in the center lane, doing a mere ten over, some dipsh!t in a VW with imitation angle eyes climbs up my butt and expects me to solve his problems for him.

Dewd, I'm not in the left lane, I am not gonna ride the right lane and dodge all the people getting on and off exits. If you don't have the stuff to run in the left and get past me, that is your problem. You try to pass me on the right by going a teeny tiny bit faster than me? Guess what, I can go a bit teeny tiny bit faster right with you. No, I ain't gonna let you pass me on the right in traffic! Pass me on the left, or drop the fcuk back and wait till you get your courage up to drive the left lane.

Geez.
KLC commented:
August 17, 2013, 8:55 am

They only looked at 154 cars in California.

I can't speak to the UK study, but car behavior is extremely regional in the US. Doing a study in California likely wouldn't produce the same results as Boston.

Seems like they wanted to reach a certain conclusion. Also, given how many people I see on a daily basis that don't understand the right of way, who knows if they even correctly assessed what happened in the intersection test.
krash commented:
August 17, 2013, 9:43 am

They obviously didn't include Suburu WRX STI owners in their data sample.
av98 commented:
August 17, 2013, 12:19 pm

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They obviously didn't include Suburu WRX STI owners in their data sample.
Lol, wasn't there an older drivers study that ranked BMW as the most aggressive drivers followed by Subaru at #2? Ironically this survey was also in the UK. Funny but all the car brands on that list were all sportscars manufacturers- MB, Audi, Porsche.


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bighorns commented:
August 17, 2013, 12:47 pm

I've always associated certain personality types to certain makes of cars. I always avoid following Volvos, because they get too careful. Anyone in a 4 banger ricer wants to beat you to the next light, and trucks/SUV's will try to 'bully' their way through traffic. Corvette owners usually drive super slow. And any Japanese?Korean car/SUV driver who gets passed by a BMW feels the need to speed up and pass you back!
These are generalizations, and as such they are not always true, but they are sometimes accurate.
NY VEE commented:
August 20, 2013, 4:40 pm

I own a BMW and a Prius (is that bi-polar?).
I have to admit the Prius is more inclined to stop due to it's regenerative braking!
t335xi commented:
August 20, 2013, 7:30 pm

Kamdog if u speed up to **** block anyone while there's plenty of room in front of you are an @**h**3.
Lol

I got a BMW and a tune so I don't have to deal with the type of bs you mentioned. There's no reason to hold up traffic or pretend to be the police. If you want to chill and go slow, let others pass you as needed. Common sense, common courtesy.

As far as the OP goes... bmws have the ability to not have to submit to stupid drivers, we can stop faster, go faster, turn sharper. If you don't have to put up with it, then drive past it.
Kamdog commented:
August 20, 2013, 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by t335xi View Post
Kamdog if u speed up to **** block anyone while there's plenty of room in front of you are an @**h**3.
Lol

I got a BMW and a tune so I don't have to deal with the type of bs you mentioned. There's no reason to hold up traffic or pretend to be the police. If you want to chill and go slow, let others pass you as needed. Common sense, common courtesy.

As far as the OP goes... bmws have the ability to not have to submit to stupid drivers, we can stop faster, go faster, turn sharper. If you don't have to put up with it, then drive past it.
If there was plenty of room, I wouldn't care. But there wasn't plenty of room on the right. You pass on the left.
boltjaM3s commented:
August 20, 2013, 9:56 pm

This morning. 287 about 1/2 a mile from the Tappan Zee Bridge. I'm flying in the middle lane, making really good time, suddenly I see a BMW 3 Series in the right lane, he's driving 20 MPH slower than I am, figure I'm going to fly by him and let him get a nice view of the side of my car.

Nope.

Just as I'm about to pass him, WHOOM, he slowly turns into my lane, cutting me off. I jolt to my left, weave through a truck, WHAAM, I pull in front of him and cut him off, bird flipped, nasty face in my rear view.

His car? An F30. 328i M-Sport. Estoril Blue.

F-cker.

BJ
t335xi commented:
August 21, 2013, 12:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Kamdog View Post
If there was plenty of room, I wouldn't care. But there wasn't plenty of room on the right. You pass on the left.
In modern day driving you pass wherever its safe to pass bc ppl cant figure out that the left lane isnt for hypermiling or going under the speed of traffic.

I look forward to meeting you or those like you on the road. Come visit colorado
MWatty550 commented:
August 21, 2013, 2:46 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
This morning. 287 about 1/2 a mile from the Tappan Zee Bridge. I'm flying in the middle lane, making really good time, suddenly I see a BMW 3 Series in the right lane, he's driving 20 MPH slower than I am, figure I'm going to fly by him and let him get a nice view of the side of my car.

Nope.

Just as I'm about to pass him, WHOOM, he slowly turns into my lane, cutting me off. I jolt to my left, weave through a truck, WHAAM, I pull in front of him and cut him off, bird flipped, nasty face in my rear view.

His car? An F30. 328i M-Sport. Estoril Blue.

F-cker.

BJ
BJ I will politely wave to you and nod my hat as you pass me. I want to see the debadge on the back...L328i...you must try and have that done. That would complete the Status Pkg. for sure.
ktula commented:
August 21, 2013, 2:52 pm

So do pricks tend to gravitate toward certain type of vehicles or do owning certain type of vehicles turn "ordinary folks" into pricks?
MWatty550 commented:
August 21, 2013, 3:03 pm

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Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
This morning. 287 about 1/2 a mile from the Tappan Zee Bridge. I'm flying in the middle lane, making really good time, suddenly I see a BMW 3 Series in the right lane, he's driving 20 MPH slower than I am, figure I'm going to fly by him and let him get a nice view of the side of my car.

Nope.

Just as I'm about to pass him, WHOOM, he slowly turns into my lane, cutting me off. I jolt to my left, weave through a truck, WHAAM, I pull in front of him and cut him off, bird flipped, nasty face in my rear view.

His car? An F30. 328i M-Sport. Estoril Blue.

F-cker.

BJ
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Was it this guy?

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furby076 commented:
August 21, 2013, 4:52 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
This morning. 287 about 1/2 a mile from the Tappan Zee Bridge. I'm flying in the middle lane, making really good time, suddenly I see a BMW 3 Series in the right lane, he's driving 20 MPH slower than I am, figure I'm going to fly by him and let him get a nice view of the side of my car.

Nope.

Just as I'm about to pass him, WHOOM, he slowly turns into my lane, cutting me off. I jolt to my left, weave through a truck, WHAAM, I pull in front of him and cut him off, bird flipped, nasty face in my rear view.

His car? An F30. 328i M-Sport. Estoril Blue.

F-cker.

BJ
Whew, just 7 more and I might have been blamed
MWatty550 commented:
August 21, 2013, 6:37 pm

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Originally Posted by ktula View Post
So do pricks tend to gravitate toward certain type of vehicles or do owning certain type of vehicles turn "ordinary folks" into pricks?
...once a prick, always a prick.
bighorns commented:
August 21, 2013, 10:21 pm

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Originally Posted by ktula View Post
So do pricks tend to gravitate toward certain type of vehicles or do owning certain type of vehicles turn "ordinary folks" into pricks?
Both are true.
av98 commented:
August 22, 2013, 3:22 am

Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
This morning. 287 about 1/2 a mile from the Tappan Zee Bridge. I'm flying in the middle lane, making really good time, suddenly I see a BMW 3 Series in the right lane, he's driving 20 MPH slower than I am, figure I'm going to fly by him and let him get a nice view of the side of my car.

Nope.

Just as I'm about to pass him, WHOOM, he slowly turns into my lane, cutting me off. I jolt to my left, weave through a truck, WHAAM, I pull in front of him and cut him off, bird flipped, nasty face in my rear view.

His car? An F30. 328i M-Sport. Estoril Blue.

F-cker.

BJ
First off great avoidance driving. Second, try an auto-x or track day, such as a BMWCCA sponsored event. Teaches you limit driving and anticipation for all sorts of craziness on the road today.

I encounter this everyday on my 36 mile commute each way to work, in all of my cars. You just tend to appreciate the great purpose built cars we drive. Brake checks, slow speed (intentional & unintentional) cut offs, hyper milers, cruise control loafers you name it I run into them all the time. You tend to anticipate all these and either pass by thinking ahead by 3-4 moves or get stuck behind em.

EG: If you see somebody cutting you off brake already because a brake check may be coming; make sure you give enough room for a full stop with a left or right lane down shift exit available. That way you can be ready for whatever they try to pull and be safer in all situations.


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fitking88 commented:
March 5, 2014, 3:03 pm

To drive the Ultimate Driving Machine, one must allow the mass of Bimmer haters to post trolly columns about us. lol I'm kidding, I dont drive crazy but after watching tons of bad driving on Youtube. Most of the cars being driven are BMWs.
stevehecht commented:
March 5, 2014, 5:05 pm

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Originally Posted by av98 View Post
First off great avoidance driving. Second, try an auto-x or track day, such as a BMWCCA sponsored event. Teaches you limit driving and anticipation for all sorts of craziness on the road today.

I encounter this everyday on my 36 mile commute each way to work, in all of my cars. You just tend to appreciate the great purpose built cars we drive. Brake checks, slow speed (intentional & unintentional) cut offs, hyper milers, cruise control loafers you name it I run into them all the time. You tend to anticipate all these and either pass by thinking ahead by 3-4 moves or get stuck behind em.

EG: If you see somebody cutting you off brake already because a brake check may be coming; make sure you give enough room for a full stop with a left or right lane down shift exit available. That way you can be ready for whatever they try to pull and be safer in all situations.


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The best training I ever received for anticipation on the road was being a taxi driver in NYC for four years. I often would be looking down the avenue for 1-2 blocks at a time to figure out the best way to wind through traffic while needing to anticipate the possible actions of the twenty or so cars I passed on the way.

Doesn;t BMWCCA have a particular class for street driving skills?
Alwozhere commented:
March 5, 2014, 6:01 pm

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Originally Posted by ktula View Post
So do pricks tend to gravitate toward certain type of vehicles or do owning certain type of vehicles turn "ordinary folks" into pricks?
Totally subjective. If you're a prick, you'll be a prick in a Fiat Punto or a BMW M6, makes no difference. If you're a decent person, same applies.
falar commented:
March 5, 2014, 6:47 pm

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Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
Well there is one lexus that is high status

As for Prius - there are certain parts of the country that not having a prius (or other hybrids) works against you. Typically it's those bleeding heart liberal colleges in california with their hippy loving granola eating shower once a week to save the environment while having sex (err hugging) a tree, people who think Prius = status.
Whenever I'm in LA I see those things everywhere and most of them have annoying stickers on them that fit the profile you describe.

"Save the Whales"
"Greenpeace"
"No Blood for Oil"
"Coexist"
"Gold equals sign"

etc.

So I stereotype Prius drivers as smug, holier than thou liberals who enjoy the smell of their own self righteous asses.

If people want to stereotype me as rude or a dick because I am in a BMW then that's cool by me. Most people think of me that way that know me.
stevehecht commented:
March 5, 2014, 10:10 pm

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Originally Posted by ktula View Post
So do pricks tend to gravitate toward certain type of vehicles or do owning certain type of vehicles turn "ordinary folks" into pricks?
In my case I was driving with a buddy who always reminded me that, "you drive like a freakin' as*hole y'know, you should buy a freakin' BMW". So I did.

And the rest is...well, you know...
Geotrash commented:
March 6, 2014, 9:42 am

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Originally Posted by av98 View Post
You tend to anticipate all these and either pass by thinking ahead by 3-4 moves or get stuck behind em.
This, in my opinion, is what sets BMW drivers apart. Most drivers aren't even thinking about what they're doing let alone thinking three moves ahead. Ladies and gentlemen, we're drivers and we enjoy driving and driving well. Maybe 95% of the people on the road are driving out of pure necessity. It's like any other area of life and business, sometimes competent people who take pride in doing something well are annoyed by the incompetent or disinterested.

I'm not making a case for it - I'm just explaining the mechanism. ;-)

Dave


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funkadesi commented:
March 6, 2014, 1:30 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by av98 View Post
First off great avoidance driving. Second, try an auto-x or track day, such as a BMWCCA sponsored event. Teaches you limit driving and anticipation for all sorts of craziness on the road today.

I encounter this everyday on my 36 mile commute each way to work, in all of my cars. You just tend to appreciate the great purpose built cars we drive. Brake checks, slow speed (intentional & unintentional) cut offs, hyper milers, cruise control loafers you name it I run into them all the time. You tend to anticipate all these and either pass by thinking ahead by 3-4 moves or get stuck behind em.

EG: If you see somebody cutting you off brake already because a brake check may be coming; make sure you give enough room for a full stop with a left or right lane down shift exit available. That way you can be ready for whatever they try to pull and be safer in all situations.


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+1

Being a NYC driver is not easy, especially in certain areas. People are not aware of their surroundings and always end up making a bad stop/lane switch

I currently dive 08' Accord V6 and practice anticipation all the time. If someone cuts me off "smoothly" i don't do anything. If I have to brake because of the d**@SS who cute me off, then I retaliate. You'd be surprised how good the V6 engine is int he Accord
dugbug commented:
March 6, 2014, 3:01 pm

:: reads article ::
whew. Got a red one.
MWatty550 commented:
March 6, 2014, 3:22 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
This morning. 287 about 1/2 a mile from the Tappan Zee Bridge. I'm flying in the middle lane, making really good time, suddenly I see a BMW 3 Series in the right lane, he's driving 20 MPH slower than I am, figure I'm going to fly by him and let him get a nice view of the side of my car.

Nope.

Just as I'm about to pass him, WHOOM, he slowly turns into my lane, cutting me off. I jolt to my left, weave through a truck, WHAAM, I pull in front of him and cut him off, bird flipped, nasty face in my rear view.

His car? An F30. 328i M-Sport. Estoril Blue.

F-cker.

BJ
It was me Boy Wonder!
bighorns commented:
March 6, 2014, 3:56 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by boltjaM3s View Post
This morning. 287 about 1/2 a mile from the Tappan Zee Bridge. I'm flying in the middle lane, making really good time, suddenly I see a BMW 3 Series in the right lane, he's driving 20 MPH slower than I am, figure I'm going to fly by him and let him get a nice view of the side of my car.

Nope.

Just as I'm about to pass him, WHOOM, he slowly turns into my lane, cutting me off. I jolt to my left, weave through a truck, WHAAM, I pull in front of him and cut him off, bird flipped, nasty face in my rear view.

His car? An F30. 328i M-Sport. Estoril Blue.

F-cker.

BJ
I had to re-read the original article to get this.
bighorns commented:
March 6, 2014, 3:59 pm

The article mentions that BMW drivers are the worst about stopping for pedestrians. It's because we are so focused on anticipating bad moves by the other drivers around us, that we aren't aware of pedestrians, who in our books BTW, are on their own!
stevehecht commented:
March 6, 2014, 8:19 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by funkadesi View Post
You'd be surprised how good the V6 engine is int he Accord
I wouldn't be, I have one. But not for much longer. My 328d Sportline gets delivered next week and away goes the 2007 V6. It will be up for sale BTW. PM me for details.
Mark K commented:
March 6, 2014, 10:55 pm

I don't know where you guys think you are and what exactly some of you think you are doing, but I'll give you a hint - you are WRONG. I don't understand this attitude of "I'm looking 300 ft ahead and calculating what others might do" - last I heard this is not a racetrack and nobody pays you to do so.

What's next that will come from your keyboard? Where do you think you are? In some country that spent trillions on "road infrastructure" thingy so they can use lethal contraptions in order to get to work faster than on a horseback or bicycle? Think again. We prefer to spend money on roads that are useless and slower than hypothetical bike lanes without stops and traffic lights so we can keep property prices high and die more than others whose average travel time is up to a third/half less than ours. If you don't like tradeoff of going slow but dying more in return, may I suggest moving somewhere where people understand why they spend money on road infrastructure?



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bighorns commented:
March 6, 2014, 11:05 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark K View Post
I don't know where you guys think you are and what exactly some of you think you are doing, but I'll give you a hint - you are WRONG. I don't understand this attitude of "I'm looking 300 ft ahead and calculating what others might do" - last I heard this is not a racetrack and nobody pays you to do so.

What's next that will come from your keyboard? Where do you think you are? In some country that spent trillions on "road infrastructure" thingy so they can use lethal contraptions in order to get to work faster than on a horseback or bicycle? Think again. We prefer to spend money on roads that are useless and slower than hypothetical bike lanes without stops and traffic lights so we can keep property prices high and die more than others whose average travel time is up to a third/half less than ours. If you don't like tradeoff of going slow but dying more in return, may I suggest moving somewhere where people understand why they spend money on road infrastructure?



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You live in Ohio. We have lots of wide open highways in the Western States that give us opportunities to open these cars up once in awhile. Lighten up!
Halsifer commented:
March 7, 2014, 5:26 am

Anyone hear a bit back when top gear took a poll or something and Jeremy stated that people have been noticing the jerk and aggressive drivers are switching from BMWs to Audis? Lol. My friends, however, like to say they wouldn't be surprised if I drive close to a car because apparently BMWs come stock with an Auto-tailgate feature...
f30jojo commented:
March 7, 2014, 6:44 am

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Originally Posted by Halsifer View Post
Anyone hear a bit back when top gear took a poll or something and Jeremy stated that people have been noticing the jerk and aggressive drivers are switching from BMWs to Audis? Lol. My friends, however, like to say they wouldn't be surprised if I drive close to a car because apparently BMWs come stock with an Auto-tailgate feature...
The tailgting is an Audi thing i thought. Jermey showed the active cruise on a jag one time and the closest setting was the "full audi" setting. lol. Germans are known to be stubbornly logical, to the point its form over function. Germans are very conservative and private folks and dont break ruls... ever. That is of course until you enter an autobahn.... holy crap.. lol
Mark K commented:
March 7, 2014, 12:36 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by bighorns View Post
You live in Ohio. We have lots of wide open highways in the Western States that give us opportunities to open these cars up once in awhile. Lighten up!
Well, that is exactly what is wrong here. In order to drive , you need empty roads - and that means while driving speed limit as well, not necessarily while recklessly speeding. Then they accommodate idiots and build bigger roads, but place "traffic calming" devices because now people will go faster.

So, excuse me ... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot did you spend that money? Just to move average speed from 21 mph to 22 mph?

The best part of it? When you say that to "normal" people they look at you as if you fell to Earth for some alien galaxy because they have no clue why are we spending money on road infrastructure. Try it next time you have people or family over for dinner.
bighorns commented:
March 7, 2014, 1:50 pm

Funny thing about road improvements; when you spread the same amount of traffic over 3 lanes as opposed to 2, the average speed might not necessarily go up, but traffic tends to spread out more, creating big gaps that those who choose to drive faster can navigate through.
minn19 commented:
March 7, 2014, 2:25 pm

I might have posted this earlier in the thread, but it was so long a go I can't remember. I seem to get cut off more by people in sh**boxes that have some unknown thing to prove to people in nice cars. I also can't stand the people in large pick ups around here. Unscientific, but easily the most aggressive drivers here, especially during snow storms. They are the crowd that loves to boast that they were still able to go 75mph to work and it wasn't that bad...:roll eyes:
Soccer moms in SUVs/Mini-Vans are almost as bad.
minn19 commented:
March 7, 2014, 2:27 pm

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Funny thing about road improvements; when you spread the same amount of traffic over 3 lanes as opposed to 2, the average speed might not necessarily go up, but traffic tends to spread out more, creating big gaps that those who choose to drive faster can navigate through.
I don't mind it if people go faster in a relatively straight line. But, people weaving in and out of traffic are dangerous and really don't get anywhere faster. They put a lot of people at risk to save maybe five minutes of time? Leave earlier.
Dave 20T commented:
March 7, 2014, 2:33 pm

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To own a BMW, one must be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country.

To be in the upper 10% of wealth in this country, one must be aggressive and decisive.

In order to be aggressive and decisive, one must trust one's abilities and instincts.

To trust one's abilities and instincts on the road, one must drive a capable car.

In order to drive a capable car, one must have the money to afford one.

For the typical 48 year old upwardly-mobile businessman on a daily commute, the BMW 3 Series is the most capable car that allows his abilities and instincts to flow and drive aggressively and decisively while letting the rest of the world know he is amongst the upper 10% of earners.

BJ
I do not think this is true. In Singapore, even the smallest Honda or Toyota cost more than a US 5 series. A 3 series cost well over $100,000, closer to $200,000. Honda owners are in the top 2%. They are not unusually aggressive.

I think the problem is some BMW drivers think they are race car drivers driving a race car. Funny, because many don't hold the steering wheel correctly.
bayoucity commented:
March 7, 2014, 2:47 pm

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I might have posted this earlier in the thread, but it was so long a go I can't remember. I seem to get cut off more by people in sh**boxes that have some unknown thing to prove to people in nice cars. I also can't stand the people in large pick ups around here. Unscientific, but easily the most aggressive drivers here, especially during snow storms. They are the crowd that loves to boast that they were still able to go 75mph to work and it wasn't that bad...:roll eyes:
Soccer moms in SUVs/Mini-Vans are almost as bad.
You aren't the only one. I'm sick of so many F-150 drivers in TX park beyond the boundaries. Most have no reason to own a truck and plenty can't afford the gas bill.
minn19 commented:
March 7, 2014, 3:05 pm

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You aren't the only one. I'm sick of so many F-150 drivers in TX park beyond the boundaries. Most have no reason to own a truck and plenty can't afford the gas bill.
Agreed.
bighorns commented:
March 7, 2014, 3:21 pm

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I don't mind it if people go faster in a relatively straight line. But, people weaving in and out of traffic are dangerous and really don't get anywhere faster. They put a lot of people at risk to save maybe five minutes of time? Leave earlier.
Depends how far you're going. I can cut 30 minutes off of a 3.5 hour drive by driving 10-15 MPH faster, so I am willing to work through traffic in this case. But I tend towards safe lane changes when doing this. When I hear the word "weaving", I picture someone driving extremely fast while in heavy traffic. I tend to slow down until I can get around a slower pack of drivers.

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Pappy Pipes commented:
March 7, 2014, 3:26 pm

LOL!
minn19 commented:
March 7, 2014, 3:28 pm

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Depends how far you're going. I can cut 30 minutes off of a 3.5 hour drive by driving 10-15 MPH faster, so I am willing to work through traffic in this case. But I tend towards safe lane changes when doing this. When I hear the word "weaving", I picture someone driving extremely fast while in heavy traffic. I tend to slow down until I can get around a slower pack of drivers.

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Sorry, should of worded my post better as I wasn't necessarily directing it at you. I get what you are saying here.
bighorns commented:
March 7, 2014, 3:31 pm

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Sorry, should of worded my post better as I wasn't necessarily directing it at you. I get what you are saying here.
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jwalz1 commented:
March 7, 2014, 3:41 pm

Yesterday I drove like a jerk. Dude in the left lane going 56 in a 60 during rush hour right beside a slow right laner, clogging all traffic. I gave him the progression of tightening up distance for a quarter mile, a couple friendly flashes of the headlights for a quarter mile, and then held down the horn for a solid two minutes before the douche finally moved aside, then gave him the bird. So if the jerk impression factor goes up, guilty. But it seemed like the people who were trapped behind this guy with me approved.

If you are in the left lane during rush hour and there is a line of cars behind you and clear sailing for a mile ahead, you are a moron and need your license revoked.
Alwozhere commented:
March 7, 2014, 4:07 pm

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Yesterday I drove like a jerk. Dude in the left lane going 56 in a 60 during rush hour right beside a slow right laner, clogging all traffic. I gave him the progression of tightening up distance for a quarter mile, a couple friendly flashes of the headlights for a quarter mile, and then held down the horn for a solid two minutes before the douche finally moved aside, then gave him the bird. So if the jerk impression factor goes up, guilty. But it seemed like the people who were trapped behind this guy with me approved.

If you are in the left lane during rush hour and there is a line of cars behind you and clear sailing for a mile ahead, you are a moron and need your license revoked.
Having moved here from the UK a couple years ago, I can tell you that Americans road etiquette is pretty shabby compared to the UK. Back in England, people knew the right lane (opposite side of the road to the US) was the fast or overtaking lane, middle lane was for regular speeds and left lane for slower/smaller engines. We don't even HAVE to flash our headlights, when a car approaches from the rear in the fast lane, 99% of the time the driver in front moves over to the middle lane. It's just common sense. Sometimes you might have to flash the headlights to get their attention and that's about it.
jwalz1 commented:
March 7, 2014, 4:16 pm

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Having moved here from the UK a couple years ago, I can tell you that Americans road etiquette is pretty shabby compared to the UK. Back in England, people knew the right lane (opposite side of the road to the US) was the fast or overtaking lane, middle lane was for regular speeds and left lane for slower/smaller engines. We don't even HAVE to flash our headlights, when a car approaches from the rear in the fast lane, 99% of the time the driver in front moves over to the middle lane. It's just common sense. Sometimes you might have to flash the headlights to get their attention and that's about it.
It is not that Americans don't know that the left is for faster traffic, because they do, it is that many are too self absorbed to care about courtesy, or their egos don't allow them to move aside.

I absolutely LOVE driving on European freeways. People don't lane hog and you almost never see someone on a cell phone. The first time I drove in Italy I thought I had found Utopia.

I am not the fastest driver out there, I get passed plenty. When someone want to get by, you let them pass. Some drivers see themselves as Gandolf. "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!!"
bighorns commented:
March 7, 2014, 4:29 pm

Self-absorbed, ego and passive/aggressive road rage! There are those that will go so far as to purposely create a blockade, maintaining whatever speed the car next to them does so as to not allow a passage around them. It's a form of self-righteous egotism at the very least.
fritzpaul commented:
March 7, 2014, 4:35 pm

Are all these studies from the UK. I think it's simply a matter of perception. Things would look totally different to pedestrians and others if the car was on the other side of the road and the steering wheel was on the left.
minn19 commented:
March 7, 2014, 5:16 pm

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Are all these studies from the UK. I think it's simply a matter of perception. Things would look totally different to pedestrians and others if the car was on the other side of the road and the steering wheel was on the left.
Speaking of that, I've driven in Germany and Austria without a problem, but would be a bit worried to drive in England. Dunno if I can get my head around the whole opposite side of the car/road thing over everywhere else I've driven. I guess its mass transit for me when I come visit there someday .
minn19 commented:
March 7, 2014, 5:19 pm

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Self-absorbed, ego and passive/aggressive road rage! There are those that will go so far as to purposely create a blockade, maintaining whatever speed the car next to them does so as to not allow a passage around them. It's a form of self-righteous egotism at the very least.
I think this gets amplified when these a**holes see a nice fast looking car behind them as well. Goes to my sh**box cutting people off in nice cars theory. I think they are getting some pleasure out of it because they think they are sticking it to the man or something along those lines.
Fastpaddler commented:
March 7, 2014, 5:23 pm

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They are saying prius drivers are better behaved than BMW Drivers, This just makes me cry
Another group of so-called experts with 'massaged' surveys. Contrary to the Blue is the most aggressive colour, I have seen past reports that people(including BmW drivers) driving any type of BLUE car were more conservative and patient whereas the most aggressive drivers had Black, Red and Silver cars. Surveys like Political polls are not to be trusted. I encounter "idiots" driving pickups and vans, in particular, because where I live, few people can AFFORD a late model BMW. In a word: Rubbish!

Guess what colour my BMW is? And, I am a very cautious, defensive and respectful driver for some 54 years without an accident nor any tickets, except for parking too long somewhere....Just saying...!
Alwozhere commented:
March 7, 2014, 5:38 pm

It only takes one bad driver to give a bad bad impression to hundreds of other drivers in just one day.
fritzpaul commented:
March 7, 2014, 6:48 pm

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Speaking of that, I've driven in Germany and Austria without a problem, but would be a bit worried to drive in England. Dunno if I can get my head around the whole opposite side of the car/road thing over everywhere else I've driven. I guess its mass transit for me when I come visit there someday .
I've driven a number of times in NZ, Aus and UK.
First, getting into the correct side of the car is key
Second, parking lots are really confusing when you're in these countries and used to driving on the other side
Moving traffic is easy, just follow the other cars.

Most difficult times for me have been in Tasmania and Southern Island in NZ. Virtually no traffic, so I was one the wrong side more often than I wanted to be. Wasn't too dangerous though, all you might hit is a cow or a sheep...
bighorns commented:
March 7, 2014, 7:04 pm

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I think this gets amplified when these a**holes see a nice fast looking car behind them as well. Goes to my sh**box cutting people off in nice cars theory. I think they are getting some pleasure out of it because they think they are sticking it to the man or something along those lines.
True. We get treated differently in the minivan. Not cutoff nearly as many times as when driving the 3. My wife thought that I was imagining this until she drove it a few times.
Keepittrill commented:
March 7, 2014, 7:05 pm

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True. We get treated differently in the minivan. Not cutoff nearly as many times as when driving the 3. My wife thought that I was imagining this until she drove it a few times.
You need to start teaching people to fear the 3!


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minn19 commented:
March 7, 2014, 7:09 pm

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I've driven a number of times in NZ, Aus and UK.
First, getting into the correct side of the car is key
Second, parking lots are really confusing when you're in these countries and used to driving on the other side
Moving traffic is easy, just follow the other cars.

Most difficult times for me have been in Tasmania and Southern Island in NZ. Virtually no traffic, so I was one the wrong side more often than I wanted to be. Wasn't too dangerous though, all you might hit is a cow or a sheep...
That cracked me up. I could see getting in the side of the car I am used to and being completely confused.
Mark K commented:
March 7, 2014, 7:29 pm

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Funny thing about road improvements; when you spread the same amount of traffic over 3 lanes as opposed to 2, the average speed might not necessarily go up, but traffic tends to spread out more, creating big gaps that those who choose to drive faster can navigate through.
Look, they expanded a truly congested two lane road that was a bypass of completely FUBAR'd 4 lane state route. They expanded that bypass to FIVE lanes in one direction at the intersection right in the front of the place where I work and next 3 intersections up the road from me. What did they do then? They put "Michigan left" with traffic lights. So, people who, going straight on that main road with 5 lanes, to cross the intersection where before there was one traffic light now have to wait for two traffic lights. Oh, no, they are NOT synchronized. Those going straight from the "side road" now have to go through three traffic lights instead of one. First right, then U turn, then right - yep, you guessed it, there are nice big "NO TURN ON RED" signs in every direction. And you spent north of 25 million for that "improvement"?

I don't know, but that should most seriously qualify for RICO statute and carry life in prison sentence for whomever approved pi*sing away public money this way. They have gotta be in the bed with mob supplying construction materials and worker's union. How else can anybody mentally sane think of it as an "improvement" is beyond me ...

EDIT: Forgot to finish the thought here. Obviously, in any normal and civilized country (read: Western Europe), two lanes in each direction with roundabouts on each of the 5-6 intersections they expanded would have been more than enough right now. If thinking about future capacity, put 3 lanes in one direction and have almost empty road now. But ... (see below)

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Having moved here from the UK a couple years ago, I can tell you that Americans road etiquette is pretty shabby compared to the UK. Back in England, people knew the right lane (opposite side of the road to the US) was the fast or overtaking lane, middle lane was for regular speeds and left lane for slower/smaller engines. We don't even HAVE to flash our headlights, when a car approaches from the rear in the fast lane, 99% of the time the driver in front moves over to the middle lane. It's just common sense. Sometimes you might have to flash the headlights to get their attention and that's about it.
I immigrated to US when I was 34. Before that I obtained driver's license in Europe not just once, but twice - when I emigrated for first time. I've been pondering about whys of this behavior for 12 years now (first year and a half all is new and you are not aggravated) and I truly believe that they don't know any better. Seriously. And if you ask them why did US spend trillions of federal money on Interstates since 1955 I bet you at least $20 they would not have a clue why and consider question preposterous. Something like asking why sun raises from East ...

Why we keep allowing them a privilege to drive and, even worse, pi*s away public money to accommodate their ignorance and ineptness, that's a question that needs answering. But that is exactly why they consider anybody actually driving as a-holes and, when in a BMW, a public danger to be removed from the road.

I still fondly remember going out on the town in Florence (Firenze, Italy) on any Saturday night and the old "circonvalazione" road along old city walls. The road was two lanes legally, it was three lanes of cars on it between traffic lights and 4 lanes of cars at traffic lights. Possibly less than 1 inch of gap left and right. That was truly like F1 race start but with max speed of maybe 50 mph, not more. Usually it was 35-40 mph. Every millisecond you needed to know where everybody else is and what "body language" signals are they giving you to anticipate their movements and react properly. What you call "cutting off" here is ridiculous with like 2+ feet of space, there we were truly talking no more than 2 inches for jumping into holes in traffic. Was that because Italians are somewhat better evolved for driving and their DNA is different? Heck no, if they didn't do it, the whole town would be a parking lot and nobody would get anywhere. Expand the road, you say? OK, choose - tear down 11th-14th century city walls or 17th century houses on the other side. Your call.
bighorns commented:
March 7, 2014, 7:33 pm

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You need to start teaching people to fear the 3!


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I purchased the JB4 for that very purpose. I'm able to lay back and wait for a gap to form, then catch them by surprise when I'm able to accelerate past them faster than they can close up the gap. It's very satisfying!
BM2W commented:
March 8, 2014, 2:08 pm

10-4 on the Prius drivers. Santa Fe is an uber liberal town, and the are tons of elitist/entitled twits in eco cars that seem to take great pleasure in cutting off people in anything with a higher end car (some of the bicyclists are worse-). They tend to dominate the class of dweebs that like to pass you and then pull in front of you and slow down. I usually just let them go, I've got nothing to prove and they're too effin' stupid to care (can't fix stupid).

My basic philosophy regarding other drivers is to assume that they're all idiots. That way I'm never disappointed, but occasionally pleasantly surprised when I encounter someone who is actually paying attention. Overall, driving is still fun in NM, it's the 5th largest state area-wise, with a population of barely 2 million. The speed limit on interstate is 75, cops usually don't bother you until you're over 85, and there's plenty of places you can enjoy your car without bothering anyone once you're out of town.

Cheers,
M2
SD330i commented:
March 8, 2014, 6:59 pm

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10-4 on the Prius drivers. Santa Fe is an uber liberal town, and the are tons of elitist/entitled twits in eco cars that seem to take great pleasure in cutting off people in anything with a higher end car (some of the bicyclists are worse-). They tend to dominate the class of dweebs that like to pass you and then pull in front of you and slow down. I usually just let them go, I've got nothing to prove and they're too effin' stupid to care (can't fix stupid).

My basic philosophy regarding other drivers is to assume that they're all idiots. That way I'm never disappointed, but occasionally pleasantly surprised when I encounter someone who is actually paying attention. Overall, driving is still fun in NM, it's the 5th largest state area-wise, with a population of barely 2 million. The speed limit on interstate is 75, cops usually don't bother you until you're over 85, and there's plenty of places you can enjoy your car without bothering anyone once you're out of town.

Cheers,
M2
Love Santa Fe ! Spent a few days there in. 2012 on our way back from PCD.
Must be fun to cruise around 85 & not worry about getting a ticket.