Next Gen 5 Series Spied

by Bernie McGroarty on December 2, 2013, 2:35 pm
”nextgen5er”
-a quick mock up from the Gran Lusso Coupe

The 7th generation BMW 5 Series has been spied out on the roads testing. While the camouflaged tester doesn't show anything too exciting, there are some interesting details as to what is to come. From what I've seen, the new 5 should be lighter and more aerodynamic, with design cues from the Gran Lusso Coupe concept. It would be nice to see a more radical design. The new 5 series will also be available with a variety engines and some exciting new technologies. Check out the rundown below.
  • Sleeker, more aerodynamic appearance influenced by the Gran Lusso Coupe concept
  • New 'luxury class' platform codenamed OKL. To underpin future 5,6 and 7-series models.
  • New platform utilizes a combo of aluminum, steel and carbon fiber parts to reduce weight below 3516 lbs. of today's manual 520i.
  • Improved rigidity
  • 48 volt electric system to handle added functions
  • Semi-autonomous drive system, allows partial hands-off operation
  • More sophisticated anti-collision system, including fully autonomous braking, infra-red night-time warning system and LED headlamps
  • Plans of Four and Six cylinder engine options.(2.0 and 3.0 liter diesel and petrol units) The 3.0liter diesel will produce near 400bhp. Maybe even 1.5 liter diesel and petrol 3 cylinders for emissions purposes. Possibility of a plug-in hybrid system similar to the i8.
  • Newly developed V8 (probably US), seems to be popular here.
  • Six-speed manual gearbox combined with lower-end engines. Nine speed ZF engineered auto for the higher output engines.
For the M5, here are some of the changes:
  • Choice of rear wheel drive or optional xDriver four-wheel drive for 2017
  • Tweaked version of the twin turbo 4.4 V8, with an advanced direct injection system and improved combustion qualities boosting the output 38hp to 600bhp!
Source: Autocar.co.uk


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61 responses to Next Gen 5 Series Spied

Bmwlvr60 commented:
December 2, 2013, 3:28 pm

Looks like an Audi A7
GermanRoots commented:
December 2, 2013, 3:53 pm

Looks more like a future 6 series to me.
kk22 commented:
December 2, 2013, 4:39 pm

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Originally Posted by GermanRoots View Post
Looks more like a future 6 series to me.
Agree, this is more likely. 5 should be a little more utilitarian in its dimensions and design. A very similar interior to the F10 is a real testament to how great it already is.
solstice commented:
December 2, 2013, 4:57 pm

Going back to E60 weight, awesome!
MileHiGolfer commented:
December 2, 2013, 5:06 pm

Do not want.

Not sure why anyone would want to imitate the A7's rear end.
DallasBimmer commented:
December 2, 2013, 5:09 pm

Yeh, looks like a hatchback. I guess that means we already got the best looking 5 series of all .
daders commented:
December 2, 2013, 5:40 pm

Wow I like the way this looks! Extend it into a wagon and BMW will have a production version of the Jet 2+2, now that's exciting!!!


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rysky007 commented:
December 2, 2013, 5:41 pm

Is it me or doe the back door look smaller and the back seat is embedded deeper into the trunk space, so that when you get in you have to fall backwards more and the side of the back panel will be at our shoulder more, similar to how Tesla's back seat is, very uncomfortable, hard to get out of and creates a lot of contact with the interior of that back panel pillar creating fast wear and tear. IMO
WillInDenver commented:
December 2, 2013, 5:44 pm

I think that picture is a rendering and not the test vehicle that was "spied".

If they can get this thing back down to E60 weight and increase rigidity beyond the F10, that would be a heck of a car. 'Cause the F10 ain't light and the E60 wasn't rigid.
varun commented:
December 2, 2013, 9:52 pm

Gross. If the real car is anything like that, i'm gladly going to keep my F10 LCI..
Wagons_Rock commented:
December 9, 2013, 9:44 pm

Boy racer 5-series? Is GT styling infecting design at BMW?
WillInDenver commented:
December 9, 2013, 9:54 pm

This report is bunk.

It talks about an AWD M5 in the next generation, which is exactly what BMW has said they won't do.

It says that there will be 4 and 6 cylinder options (which I believe) and then in the next bullet adds a throw-in V8 option for the US, because V8s "seem to be popular here." Like an extra ashtray or something.

The concept drawing is ludicrous; it looks like something out of Flash Gordon. BMW would never make such a radical design change in one step.

I do think the next 5 will be a few hundred pounds lighter than this one, and it would not shock me to see BMW eliminate the V8. That's all I take from this report.
jjsC6 commented:
December 9, 2013, 10:06 pm

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Originally Posted by WJGreer View Post
This report is bunk.

It talks about an AWD M5 in the next generation, which is exactly what BMW has said they won't do.

It says that there will be 4 and 6 cylinder options (which I believe) and then in the next bullet adds a throw-in V8 option for the US, because V8s "seem to be popular here." Like an extra ashtray or something.

The concept drawing is ludicrous; it looks like something out of Flash Gordon. BMW would never make such a radical design change in one step.

I do think the next 5 will be a few hundred pounds lighter than this one, and it would not shock me to see BMW eliminate the V8. That's all I take from this report.
Never say never. I wonder if anyone thought a turbo four would replace an in-line six.
WillInDenver commented:
December 9, 2013, 10:22 pm

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Originally Posted by jjsC6 View Post
Never say never. I wonder if anyone thought a turbo four would replace an in-line six.
I see your point - though BMW did start messaging the 4 pretty broadly before they introduced it, as they are the 3 cylinder now. This article's credibility is suspect, and the "xDriver 4 wheel drive" is listed with about as much fanfare as a cup holder.

If BMW decides to introduce xDrive to their M cars, this isn't how we'll hear about it. IMO.
Dionte commented:
December 10, 2013, 10:57 am

I prefer older BMW's and I tolerate the modern ones but this is just hideous in my opinion.
bluejayfan commented:
December 10, 2013, 12:48 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by WJGreer View Post
This report is bunk.

It talks about an AWD M5 in the next generation, which is exactly what BMW has said they won't do.
While true, not current. The latest from BMW is that both M5 and M6 could/would get AWD options for the next models. Was reported on Bimmerfest not too long ago. They did say that they are not considering this for the M3/M4 though.
Needsdecaf commented:
December 10, 2013, 1:45 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by WJGreer View Post
This report is bunk.

It talks about an AWD M5 in the next generation, which is exactly what BMW has said they won't do.
BMW has waffled on this.
Stonehauler commented:
December 10, 2013, 2:54 pm

This looks more like the 6 GC than the 5. Unless they are wanting to unify the two series (at the higher price point I suspect), I am not so sure this will be the 5.

I like the shape, but I would need to see how it impacts real world usability (rear seat room, trunk space, etc)
beden1 commented:
December 10, 2013, 4:49 pm

It looks great in this picture. I'd have to see it in person, but maybe this new 5 Series version will be worth trading our E60 535xi for?
AggieKnight commented:
December 10, 2013, 5:00 pm

The pics in the actual report don't match the car in the pic here:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/sc...series-scooped

The article also has a simulated pic that doesn't look like the pics of the car in camo.
RichReg commented:
December 10, 2013, 8:28 pm

The next gen SWB 7 Series has been driving around in camoflauge a lot lately; particularly moreso since the new S-Class began selling.

I wouldn't doubt if its the G11 that they've spied, ..not the next 5.
ihumphrey commented:
December 10, 2013, 10:02 pm

The pic is the lasso concept penned with pinninfarina...it is very elegant...perhaps design cues will come from the concept but this is not the new 5 in any way.


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bluejayfan commented:
December 11, 2013, 9:28 am

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Originally Posted by ihumphrey View Post
The pic is the lusso concept penned with pinninfarina...it is very elegant...perhaps design cues will come from the concept but this is not the new 5 in any way.
Spot on.
demas commented:
December 11, 2013, 10:08 am

I doubt that's a reflection of what the next 5 will resemble.

Looks like they tried to revive the 'shark nose' which is nice, unfortunately the whole car is just executed wrong. Too much front overhang, no B pillar, C pillar integrates with the trunk.
Fastpaddler commented:
December 12, 2013, 1:24 am

It does look like a design concept yet, if you look carefully at the more fluid lines of the latest MBs,even the C class you might see the tendency with BMW to keep up with the trend to more sleek stylistic forms for the upmarket models like 5,6 and 7. I do agree that weights will come down with use of aluminum and perhaps structural changes. Engine wise , bear in mind that MB is bringing back the inline 6 which can be casted down to small engines easier than using a V6 design(unlikely). I think BMW will not change the current very attractive 5 design for at least 2 years. Pray that they dont go FWD like the volume C model currently on the market,that MB hopes will make them the leader in sales and make lots of money.Lots of people dont know which end of a cars drivetrain propels the car.
miamiboyca commented:
December 12, 2013, 3:03 pm

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Originally Posted by wjgreer View Post
'cause the f10 ain't light and the e60 wasn't rigid.
+1
0111 commented:
December 14, 2013, 5:36 am

That car, is sexy af. I dunno whatsup with all the negativity, I'd definitely take that girl out any day of the night.
btm3 commented:
December 14, 2013, 3:18 pm

I hope it doesn't look like this... don't love it at all-- this looks like a four door mustang!! bring back E39 styling- i still think that's the best looking 5 ever
rysky007 commented:
December 14, 2013, 3:32 pm

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Originally Posted by btm3 View Post
I hope it doesn't look like this... don't love it at all-- this looks like a four door mustang!! bring back E39 styling- i still think that's the best looking 5 ever
IMO E39 is very 90's.

The 2008 to 2010 body style still to this day to me looks great the M version, the basic one was horrible, but the M one with the rims just looks mean. I am a LCI F10 owner and still like the body of the 2008 model.
WillInDenver commented:
December 14, 2013, 7:12 pm

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Originally Posted by btm3 View Post
I hope it doesn't look like this... don't love it at all-- this looks like a four door mustang!! bring back E39 styling- i still think that's the best looking 5 ever
The F10 _is_ "bring back E39 styling".

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Originally Posted by rysky007 View Post
The 2008 to 2010 body style still to this day to me looks great the M version, the basic one was horrible, but the M one with the rims just looks mean. I am a LCI F10 owner and still like the body of the 2008 model.
You're right, the look of the E60 was very dependent on options. An M-Sport E60, with its slightly lowered suspension and 19" 172 wheels, was a mean looking machine. On the other hand, a basic E60 xDrive with 17" wheels and a tall suspension looked like it was driving on its tiptoes.
AutoUnion commented:
December 14, 2013, 11:28 pm

I'd love to see a significant weight reduction (match the new CTS/Lexus GS). Hopefully, BMW doesn't dump the 8 cylinders, like Caddy and Lexus.
AutoUnion commented:
December 14, 2013, 11:29 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by rysky007 View Post
The 2008 to 2010 body style still to this day to me looks great the M version, the basic one was horrible, but the M one with the rims just looks mean. I am a LCI F10 owner and still like the body of the 2008 model.
I'll agree with this. The LCI E60 MSport was a great looking car. Very sharp. I still do a double-take on them.

The lease-spec stripper E60s look terrible. Always have.
Fastpaddler commented:
December 14, 2013, 11:49 pm

There is no doubt that the F10 is sleek and very attractive--with attitude. People stop and ask about the car. Others admire it from a distance. It might be the Imperial Blue colour which many of you have but i think it is such a well-balanced elegrant yet somewhat aggressive style overall. I don't see BMW changing the shape very much over the next few years. The "next gen 5" pic looks a big elongated and compressed to me. I think headroom would be a problem. Some nice lines but, I dont think it would work for a new 5.
rysky007 commented:
December 14, 2013, 11:50 pm

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
I'll agree with this. The LCI E60 MSport was a great looking car. Very sharp. I still do a double-take on them.

The lease-spec stripper E60s look terrible. Always have.
Watching Furious 6 right now, first big race seen, all of them are in m5 e60's

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WillInDenver commented:
December 15, 2013, 10:36 am

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
I'd love to see a significant weight reduction (match the new CTS/Lexus GS). Hopefully, BMW doesn't dump the 8 cylinders, like Caddy and Lexus.
Mercedes as well, and Audi is moving away from V8s in other models, though they do use one in the S6 for now.

It's a trend, mainly CAFE-driven. If you love V8s, buy one now; I think in 10 years they will be pretty hard to find in mainstream cars. Volvo will be 100% 4-cylinder by 2016.
alewifebp commented:
December 16, 2013, 12:53 am

With regards to the V8, this is the reason that BMW is investing heavily in the i electric cars. It gives them a huge CAFE advantage, especially if the i3 ends up selling really well. It makes it easier to sell those powerful V8 cars without penalties.
K-A commented:
December 18, 2013, 9:05 am

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Originally Posted by WJGreer View Post
The F10 _is_ "bring back E39 styling".
Exactly. You can't harken the E39 design more-so in a modern package than the F10. With bits of E34 thrown in as well.

That pic is the Gran Lusso concept with 4 doors. The next 5 won't look like that but will probably take cues. Apparently it'll look like an evolution of the F10, slightly longer wheelbase which will give more of a "swoop" to the roofline, a sharper Hoffmeister kink (which is unfortunate to me, I love the F10's utterly fluid and round one), less "L shaped" taillights (renders look dangerously close to Lexus like with a slight L shape but most of the "L" being in the LED lava-lamps rather than the fundamental design of the light clusters), and the unfortunate "grille connected to headlights". The grille will be wider, naturally as well. Also, it will go back to the "original" way of doing hood shutlines, which is letting it go all the way to the grille, rather than the "Softnose" that we have now, with the hood itself getting cut short and the remainder of it actually being the enlarged front bumper.
K-A commented:
January 25, 2014, 4:11 am

I'm reading some rumors that state the next 5er will 80kg less than the current 5er. Not bad (176 lbs) but not a massive difference. The next 7er will get the most extensive use of the high-tech CF material that BMW have been developing which will save it around 200kg (440 lbs). Apparently the next M5 however will have massive weight savings that go much further than the regular 5er.
Sophisto commented:
January 25, 2014, 11:40 am

Neuer BMW 5er (2016) - 28.10.2013
5er kommt mit Dreizylinder
Schock für BMW-Freunde: Vom neuen BMW 5er soll es auch eine Sparversion mit drei Zylindern geben!
BMW reagiert auf die Kritik und plant den neuen 5er in besserer Qualität und edleren Werkstoffen. Der nächste 5er soll mit Audi gleichziehen – mindestens.
BMW-Fans werden ihren Ohren nicht trauen, wenn sie die Sparvariante des neuen 5er erstmals fahren. Unter der Haube schnarrt dann nämlich ein Dreizylinder-Turbodiesel. 150 PS stark, soll er mit nur 3,9 Liter Diesel 100 Kilometer fahren. Mutig. Für BMW ist die 5er-Baureihe nämlich besonders wichtig. Denn sie kostet in der Fertigung kaum mehr als die 3er-Reihe, fährt deshalb höhere Gewinne ein. Und in Zukunft dürfte die Kasse in München noch lauter klingeln. Technisch werden 3er-, 4er-, 5er und 6er-Baureihe über einen Kamm geschoren – das spart Entwicklungs- und Produktionskosten. Im Juli 2016 geht die neue 5er-Reihe in Serie. Kurz nach der neuen E-Klasse (Debüt im März 2016), über ein Jahr vor dem neuen A6 (November 2017). BMW plant vom neuen 5er wie gehabt drei Karosserievarianten: Die Limousine startet ab Juli 2016, der Touring erscheint vier Monate später im November 2016. Im Frühjahr 2017 folgt der GT.
Alle News, Infos und Tests zum BMW 5er

Der 5er als 3,9-Liter-Auto: Mit einem 150 PS starken, 1,5 Liter großen Dreizylinder-Diesel knackt der kommende Spar-5er die Vierliter-Marke.
Auf der gleichen technischen Plattform entstehen die Coupé-Nachfolger der 6er-Reihe. Diese Plattform heißt BMW-intern 35up und debütiert 2015 im neuen 7er. Damit ziehen die Münchner mit Audi und Mercedes gleich: Auf einer Plattform werden verschiedene Modellreihen gebaut. Das Entwicklungsziel ist bei allen drei Marken identisch: weniger Gewicht, mehr Flexibilität, höhere Effizienz. Dafür greift BMW tief in die Technik-Kiste. Die Werkstoffe, aus denen die Plattform gefertigt wird, zum Beispiel Aluminium, Kohlefaser oder leichte Stähle, können in unterschiedlichen Anteilen untereinander gemischt werden. BMW plant derzeit drei verschiedene Hybridvarianten, mit einer rein elektrischen Reichweite von 50 Kilometern. Und selbstverständlich wird Raum für moderne Assistenz- und Komfortsysteme geschaffen. Um diese immer mit ausreichend Strom zu versorgen, plant BMW erstmals ein zweites Bordnetz mit 48 Volt für die Nebenaggregate.
So kommt das BMW 2er Coupé
Der Sechszylinder lebt im kommenden 5er weiter – und zwar stärker denn je! Zugegeben, die neuen Vierzylinder graben dem Einstiegs-Sechszylinder das Wasser ab. Doch dafür macht der Sechszylinder dem V8 das Leben immer schwerer. Die neuen Reihensechser (B57/B58) kombinieren satte Mehrleistung und Top-Drehmoment mit einem durchschnittlichen Verbrauchsvorteil von zehn Prozent. Die vorläufigen Eckdaten:
Modell Hubraum Leistung
530i 3,0 Liter 333 PS
535i 3,0 Liter 375 PS
530d 3,0 Liter 286 PS
535d 3,0 Liter 333 PS
M550d 3,0 Liter 401 PS
Beim nächsten M5 ist Downsizing kein Thema. Diesmal bleibt es auch nach dem Modellwechsel beim Vierliter-V8 – allerdings mit mehr Leistung und Drehmoment. Später will BMW die 600-PS-Hürde nehmen. Er ist zudem das erste M-Modell mit Allradantrieb als Extra. Mit der Vierrad-Option reagieren die Münchner spät auf Audi RS Quattro und Mercedes AMG 4Matic.
dunderhi commented:
January 25, 2014, 2:10 pm

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Originally Posted by Sophisto View Post

New BMW 5 Series (2016) - 10/28/2013

5 Series comes with a three- cylinder

Shock for BMW fans: From the new BMW 5 Series there should also be an economy version with three cylinders!

BMW responds to the criticism and planning the new 5 Series in better quality and more upscale materials. The next 5 Series will catch up with Audi - at least.
BMW fans who will not believe their ears when they are driving the base version of the new 5 Series for the first time. Under the hood, buzzes a three-cylinder turbo diesel with 150 horsepower. It should consume only 3.9 liters of diesel per 100 kilometers. Courageous. For the BMW 5-series is in fact very important. Because they hardly cost more than the 3-series to produce, therefore results in higher profits. The future is likely to ring even louder the corporate office in Munich. Technically, the 3 Series, 4, 5 and 6-Series are lumped together - this saves development and production costs. In July 2016, the new 5-series goes into production. Shortly after the new E-Class (debut in March 2016), about a year before the new A6 (November 2017). BMW plans from the new 5 Series as usual three body styles: The sedan will start from July 2016, the Touring is published four months later in November 2016. In the spring of 2017, the GT follows.

All the news, information and tests for the BMW 5 Series

The 5 Series is a 3.9 -liter car: With a 150-hp, 1.5-liter three-cylinder diesel in the coming savings 5 Series breaks the four-liter mark.

On the same technical platform, the Coupe 's successor in the 6 Series arise. This platform is called BMW internally 35up and debuting in 2015 in the new 7 Series. Matching BMW with Audi and Mercedes development processes, different model series to be built on the same platform. The development objective is the same for all three brands: less weight, more flexibility, greater efficiency. The new BMWs reach deep into the toy box. The materials from which the platform is manufactured, for example, aluminum, carbon fiber or light steel, can be mixed in various proportions with each other. BMW is planning three different hybrid variants, with a pure electric range of 50 kilometers. Of course space for modern assistance and comfort systems will be created. To always provide them with sufficient power, BMW is planning a second electrical system with 48 volts for the ancillary units for the first time.

The six-cylinder lives in the coming 5 Series continues - and stronger than ever! Granted, the new four-cylinder dig the entry-level six-cylinder from the water. But it makes the six-cylinder V8 life increasingly difficult. The new series of six (B57/B58) combine a major increase in power and top torque with an average fuel savings of ten percent. The preliminary key figures:

Model Displacement Power
530i 3.0-liter 333 hp
535i 3.0-liter 375 hp
530d 3.0 liter 286 hp
535d 3.0 liter 333 hp
M550d 3.0 liter 401 hp

The next M5 Downsizing is not an issue. This time it is retained even after the model change in the four-liter V8 - but with more power and torque. Later, BMW wants to take the 600-hp barrier. It is also the first M model with all-wheel drive as an extra. The four-wheel option is Munich's late reaction to Audi RS Quattro and Mercedes AMG 4Matic.
Wow, that was easy.
Sophisto commented:
January 25, 2014, 2:17 pm

Thanks D, I owe you one.
Well this is old news from Germany, october 2013.
There is a lot of renderings for the new 7 series to be found, they resamble with the starter foto of this thread.
But I guess it is still a year early for real pictures.
WillInDenver commented:
January 25, 2014, 2:32 pm

I couldn't possibly be less interested in a 150 horsepower 5 series.

I like the 375 horsepower 535, though. And I notice no V8 listed, which I've been predicting.
Dallas550 commented:
January 25, 2014, 2:36 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by WJGreer View Post
Mercedes as well, and Audi is moving away from V8s in other models, though they do use one in the S6 for now.

It's a trend, mainly CAFE-driven. If you love V8s, buy one now; I think in 10 years they will be pretty hard to find in mainstream cars. Volvo will be 100% 4-cylinder by 2016.
This is one reason why I'm going ahead with upgrading my 550 now. I have a feeling the V8 in the 5er will be gone minus the M5. It may stick around in the 650 and 750, but I think the new 550 will end up with a glorified V6.
AutoUnion commented:
January 25, 2014, 2:54 pm

I would like to see the higher output diesel come to the US.

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Sophisto commented:
January 25, 2014, 2:59 pm

BMW Germany allready made known they plan only an eight cylinder five next generation available as M.
And it will be there as AWD for you americans....
WillInDenver commented:
January 25, 2014, 3:26 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sophisto View Post
BMW Germany allready made known they plan only an eight cylinder five next generation available as M.
And it will be there as AWD for you americans....
I'm sure it will still have ashtrays for all you Europeans.


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Bmwlvr60 commented:
January 25, 2014, 3:33 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sophisto View Post
BMW Germany allready made known they plan only an eight cylinder five next generation available as M.
And it will be there as AWD for you americans....
Quote:
Originally Posted by WJGreer View Post
I'm sure it will still have ashtrays for all you Europeans.


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And no cup holders for the Europeans because they're okay with their drinks rolling around the car.
Sophisto commented:
January 25, 2014, 3:36 pm

Sure sure and we will all be lacking a spare wheel cavity in the trunk and for the asian market there will be an extra long 5 M with extra passenger leg room.
dunderhi commented:
January 25, 2014, 4:17 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sophisto View Post
And it will be there as AWD for you americans....



I wonder if the will call the European 530i & 535i the 535i & 550i in the US.
Sophisto commented:
January 25, 2014, 4:19 pm

If you're hoping to sell a luxury car in the populous New York metropolitan these days, you better hope it has all-wheel drive.* Indeed, in a growing portion of the country, even in Sunbelt states, AWD has become a must.* And in snow country, dealers report a conventional, rear-drive model like the BMW 3-Series might sit for months on the lot unsold.
No wonder the Bavarian maker's dealers were so anxious to get the new all-wheel version of the latest 3-Series, which finally reached U.S. showrooms last month, said Ian Robertson, the BMW AG board member in charge of global sales.
Sophisto commented:
January 25, 2014, 4:25 pm

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Originally Posted by dunderhi View Post



I wonder if the will call the European 530i & 535i the 535i & 550i in the US.
Well, we are debatching overhere, so probably it is just something like the allweather, AWD, M sport body humbug that is selling cars so well in the USA. Put on an upgraded number and the hand of the client is easily filled.
I just read that solely for the american market they stil built manual M5's. Ten percent of M's sold in America are manual, zero in the rest of the world.
K-A commented:
January 25, 2014, 7:47 pm

A 375 HP I6 Turbo designed by BMW on the x35i models is something that has me salivating.... and I'm perfectly content with the N55. I expect nothing short of remarkable on multiple fronts.
Dallas550 commented:
January 25, 2014, 9:22 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sophisto View Post
BMW Germany allready made known they plan only an eight cylinder five next generation available as M.
And it will be there as AWD for you americans....
Do you have the specific announcement or site? I'm not doubting you but it would be nice to have written confirmation.
Wagons_Rock commented:
January 25, 2014, 9:38 pm

I wonder if US will get the Touring, or is BMW giving up midsize wagon market to Mercedes?
Less weight and better interior good. I still love (and drive) E61.
RichReg commented:
January 25, 2014, 10:30 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by dunderhi View Post



I wonder if the will call the European 530i & 535i the 535i & 550i in the US.
My bet for the U.S;
they go back to a 530i with:
528, 530 and 535.
K-A commented:
February 22, 2014, 7:13 am

New renders on it.




And renders of the "big 3" next generation versions. Looks like the next gen will be a very evolutionary one on all fronts:



My dislikes: The connected grille just looks more and more superfluous and awkwardly forced. Just unfortunate coming from BMW who's designs aside from that aspect are so balanced and cohesive. Maybe it'll grow on me as when the F10 came out I thought that the only aspect of its design that could be considered even remotely "weaker" vs the other aspect of its design was the front. / The new headlight shape! The F10 has such a beautifully organic and unique shape in the seeming never-ending trend of generic "ruler sharp pointed-upward headlights". I love how the F10 has round edged headlights that curve downward at the ends (rather than up like this render and every other car). It gives it a look that harkens classic BMW's and one that doesn't play with trends. Also by trying to not go the pandering-ly aggressive route, it looks effortlessly aggressive without that "pulled back face" look. / Still not sure about that little air scoop at the bottom of the front quarter panel on BMW's. It looks almost disproportionately small or something, like an aftermarket add-on. / It looks like it's going a little more angular which is I guess is unfortunate as the F10 again has been so uniquely standing apart in doing a timeless and all-curvy design in a day and age of constantly sharp edged designs. / The rear looks a little more squared off, a'la F30. / I really hope they don't swap that elegantly curvy hoffmeister kink approach from the F10 for a more angular one, a'la 4 Series, and renders suggest. / Not sure how I feel about the rear taillights being less pronounced L shapes. The F10 has the nicest tails in the biz to me, and every car out there has that "one long line that lifts towards the edges" taillight look. I like the pronounced yet curvy "L's" the F10 has.

My Likes: The fact that none of my "dislikes" are really dislikes in the sense where I truly dislike them (save for the grille/headlights, maybe, just don't look right to me yet). / The fact that it's such a close evolution of the F10. / A CLASSIC HOOD TO BUMPER SHUTLINE AGAIN! Although it doesn't bother me on the F10 anymore, I love that BMW are ditching the "softnose" shutline.

Overall, looks like another winner, though as I've said many times and will probably say many times as the car gets closer and closer to production. I almost find it impossible for them to beat the F10 in terms of creating a timeless "modern classic" style, which seems to make sense as it appears the G30 will be more an F10 with some more frills and angularity applied to the design.
daders commented:
February 22, 2014, 8:19 am

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Originally Posted by Sophisto View Post
Sure sure and we will all be lacking a spare wheel cavity in the trunk and for the asian market there will be an extra long 5 M with extra passenger leg room.
This last part feels very backwards to me...you would think this longer wheel base should have shown up in the NA/European market long ago as (on average) we are taller (US/EU trait) and fatter (US trait) than Asians...
lindros2 commented:
February 22, 2014, 9:13 am

These renders look status quo, and quite frankly, stupid. This is why I stopped buying AutoExpress, Autobild, and Autocar.

1. Take current car
2. Take current model lineup (3-series, 2-series, 4-series, 7-series, X5, etc.)

Make more aerodynamic, squash some here, squash some there, and voila - new model rendering.

Rarely are these accurate. BMW isn't going to put a dippy plastic faring in the front quarter panel like the 3-series. The hood will change significantly - not copy the existing one. Chrome accents on front and rear like the mid-cycle refresh? Did the F10 inherit any E60 mid-cycle cues? Nope.

Just wait until the new 7-series is released. Renderings will be revised, and probably more accurate.
rysky007 commented:
February 22, 2014, 9:25 am

If that real images of the upcoming new 5... it looks like a bloated version of the new 3
K-A commented:
February 22, 2014, 10:17 am

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Originally Posted by lindros2 View Post
These renders look status quo, and quite frankly, stupid. This is why I stopped buying AutoExpress, Autobild, and Autocar.

1. Take current car
2. Take current model lineup (3-series, 2-series, 4-series, 7-series, X5, etc.)

Make more aerodynamic, squash some here, squash some there, and voila - new model rendering.

Rarely are these accurate. BMW isn't going to put a dippy plastic faring in the front quarter panel like the 3-series. The hood will change significantly - not copy the existing one. Chrome accents on front and rear like the mid-cycle refresh? Did the F10 inherit any E60 mid-cycle cues? Nope.

Just wait until the new 7-series is released. Renderings will be revised, and probably more accurate.
Also, based on the mules running around, it seems the door creases also will be more angular and downward straked (a'la F30 and most other cars) while the render uses the F10 curvy, straight across side lines. I also love how the F10 is one of the rare cars to thicken the side character line as it goes rearward while tapering it as it goes forward. Most cars and I have a feeling the G30 will do it the more typical "taper at the back and thicken as it goes forward to the front" which the 4 Series is a perfect example of.
MikeTerp commented:
August 7, 2014, 5:24 pm

I just hope the new 5er does not "grow" in length, but does lose significant weight. This car could use a 200kg diet to say the least.