Introducing: The First Ever BMW Individual 4 Series

by Bernie McGroarty on January 28, 2014, 2:05 pm
You can now personalize your 4 Series and make it stand out from others, with first-ever BMW Individual 4 Series. BMW Individual is very unique, since the range of materials to choose from is more select than for any other vehicle. By perfectly combining all details, BMW Individual meets even the highest expectations: the most exclusive way to drive BMW.

Many option are available to set off the looks of your 4 Series, be it Coupe or Convertible. Special Individual paintwork and wheels highlight the exterior, while the interior gets fine-wood trim, fine-grain Merino leather with leather covered instrument panel, BMW Individual leather steering wheel, as well as other touches that bring together an exclusive look. All this, right from BMW.

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77 responses to Introducing: The First Ever BMW Individual 4 Series

Gary J commented:
January 28, 2014, 3:08 pm

I'll take one of each.
blacksquid commented:
January 28, 2014, 5:21 pm

Details man! There is no mention on the BMW site of 4 Series.


John
SteveL1 commented:
January 28, 2014, 8:38 pm

Our car is scheduled for week 8 production. Is there any way to change to the individual program at this point or should we cancel and place a new order? We were told that the individual program would not be available for the 4 series until late this year which kind of pisses me off.
m8o commented:
January 28, 2014, 8:43 pm

Is this BMW's answer to our objection to the Lines that so many of us love to hate?
KAP8 commented:
January 29, 2014, 12:33 pm

For the USA?
Gary J commented:
January 29, 2014, 12:57 pm

There is something here but I can't make much sense out of it -

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/e...ndividual.html
KAP8 commented:
January 29, 2014, 1:04 pm

http://www.carscoops.com/2014/01/fir...28CARSCOOPS%29

Coming "this Spring." I'm not sure I would pay for the paint, because the Individual paint is about $4,000 (I think). But I'd be tempted for the Individual interior since BMW is offering very few choices on the F32.
bobkat09 commented:
January 29, 2014, 3:54 pm

I'll reserve my excitement till I see the prices.
SteveL1 commented:
January 29, 2014, 8:35 pm

Any guess on what the cost for individual leather for seats, doors, dash, console, etc.? And can I assume that no matter what you choose for leather, you are stuck with the plastic trim pieces that are either black or beige, and the black or beige headliner and carpet? If this option were available now, my wife would have for sure ordered her 435xi M-Sport with the Saddle Brown leather that is only available in the Luxury Line.
Michael Schott commented:
January 29, 2014, 10:27 pm

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Originally Posted by SteveL1 View Post
Any guess on what the cost for individual leather for seats, doors, dash, console, etc.? And can I assume that no matter what you choose for leather, you are stuck with the plastic trim pieces that are either black or beige, and the black or beige headliner and carpet? If this option were available now, my wife would have for sure ordered her 435xi M-Sport with the Saddle Brown leather that is only available in the Luxury Line.
Look at the Individual pricing for the 5 series as a reference.
gkr778 commented:
January 29, 2014, 11:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Michael Schott View Post
Look at the Individual pricing for the 5 series as a reference.
The full fledged BMW Individual Composition option on U.S. market F10 535d retails for $6,100. It includes Alcantara headliner, Shadowline or Satin aluminum exterior trim, Sycamore or Piano black interior trim, 19" Individual wheels, and Merino leather seating.
Gary J commented:
January 30, 2014, 7:53 am

Another video -

http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...ividualRD.aspx
f30jojo commented:
January 30, 2014, 10:09 am

as stated earlier; expect BMW Individual trim pkg to run about $6k dpending on exactly what you want. overpriced IMO, when in reality, it's nie to talk about but no one really cares.
Gary J commented:
January 30, 2014, 10:20 am

Or maybe if you can afford it you do care.
KAP8 commented:
January 30, 2014, 1:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post
Or maybe if you can afford it you do care.
I agree. I think the interior on these cars are very boring. I think the Individual aspect will make it look a lot nicer...........to my eyes. I'll spend the extra money.
ImolaRedM commented:
February 3, 2014, 10:58 pm

I'm VERY happy with the extended merino leather in my F10. This is exactly what I want to see in the 4 series too. Let's just hope the wheel options are better for the Individual 4 series or BMW offers a-la-carte Individual options.
blacksquid commented:
February 4, 2014, 1:39 am

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Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
The full fledged BMW Individual Composition option on U.S. market F10 535d retails for $6,100. It includes Alcantara headliner, Shadowline or Satin aluminum exterior trim, Sycamore or Piano black interior trim, 19" Individual wheels, and Merino leather seating.
Here's the the cost breakdown for the 550:

Paint: $2,000
Leather: $2,500
Trim: $1,000
Steering wheel: $800

Prices will probably vary with specific selections but this should be a good example of the expected cost for the 4 Series.


John
Gary J commented:
February 4, 2014, 8:01 am

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Originally Posted by blacksquid View Post
Here's the the cost breakdown for the 550:

Paint: $2,000
Leather: $2,500
Trim: $1,000
Steering wheel: $800

Prices will probably vary with specific selections but this should be a good example of the expected cost for the 4 Series.


John
So you can pick just some of those? Whats happens if you already have the M Sport steering wheel?
blacksquid commented:
February 4, 2014, 8:31 am

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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post
So you can pick just some of those? Whats happens if you already have the M Sport steering wheel?
It's my impression that one can pick and choose Individual options.

The M Sport steering wheel and the Individual steering wheel are mutually exclusive. In fact if you select the Individual steering wheel M Sport will be removed if previously selected.

It's best to go to the BMW site and play around with a model that already has Individual options to see the consequences of your choices.


John
Gary J commented:
February 4, 2014, 8:45 am

Individual options are announced but not yet provided in Build Your Own (435 convertible) but I will keep checking.
blacksquid commented:
March 3, 2014, 7:30 am

I see that Individual 4 Series is creeping westward, it's now available on the UK site. I'm supposed to be placing my order with David at the end of the month for a September ED and would love Tanzanite Blue with Opal White upholstery:





jrubens commented:
January 18, 2015, 12:26 pm

Has this option become available? It still isn't listed on the USA website, but I've been reading that it might be possible. Does anyone have information? I'm finalizing an April ED right now... keep going round and round on color and interior, but if I could get the nutmeg marino interior on a white 435M sport convertible, I think I'd be done!

Thanks!
blacksquid commented:
January 18, 2015, 1:16 pm

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Originally Posted by jrubens View Post
Has this option become available? It still isn't listed on the USA website, but I've been reading that it might be possible. Does anyone have information? I'm finalizing an April ED right now... keep going round and round on color and interior, but if I could get the nutmeg marino interior on a white 435M sport convertible, I think I'd be done!

Thanks!
Individual is not on the USA site. I'd ask your CA or whomever is setting up your ED order to see if they can get that added for you.

I got impatient and found a car I'd forgotten about that really lights my fire so to speak; a 2007 Z4 M Coupé.
jrubens commented:
January 18, 2015, 1:30 pm

My CA looked at the ordering guide and the only priority 1 option was the leather dash. I'm guessing there is a different ordering guide that is not widely publicly distributed? Sort of like the secret menu at In-N-Out?
blacksquid commented:
January 18, 2015, 1:39 pm

I'm not sure about the super secret ordering guide but David M. Aviles, at Steve Thomas BMW, led me to believe that you could make the request for exterior paint color and some interior updates like leather dash. Since I never followed through, I don't know if this is true. Here is David's contact info:

David M. Aviles
National Sales Director
Steve Thomas BMW
mobile 202-262-2900
www.BMWDavid.com

I'm sure he could give you any pertinent info.

GL
jrubens commented:
January 18, 2015, 5:01 pm

Thanks, BlackSquid
drkeng commented:
January 18, 2015, 11:31 pm

got them to paint my car Azurite Black last summer; had to wait a couple of extra months.
doubt I could have gotten the leather dash at that time.

Damon44 commented:
January 19, 2015, 6:28 am

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Originally Posted by SteveL1 View Post
Any guess on what the cost for individual leather for seats, doors, dash, console, etc.? And can I assume that no matter what you choose for leather, you are stuck with the plastic trim pieces that are either black or beige, and the black or beige headliner and carpet? If this option were available now, my wife would have for sure ordered her 435xi M-Sport with the Saddle Brown leather that is only available in the Luxury Line.
as always I am a day late and a dollar short.
The interiors are beautiful as is the newer woods.
I did get the saddle brown leather but limited lines available.
jrubens commented:
January 19, 2015, 2:37 pm

My CA is going to have his sales manager call NA and find out what is possible. If anyone has hard information on pricing for individual paint, upholstery and trim, that would be allow me to know what I'm dealing with. My deal is euro delivery wholesale plus 2k profit (high for ED, but I've had a number of people here tell me that the only way to get a loaner when servicing there is to buy from them, so I decided to just pay the extra), so knowing "wholesale" such as it is, would be helpful.
Ibiza commented:
January 19, 2015, 10:18 pm

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Originally Posted by jrubens View Post
My CA is going to have his sales manager call NA and find out what is possible. If anyone has hard information on pricing for individual paint, upholstery and trim, that would be allow me to know what I'm dealing with. My deal is euro delivery wholesale plus 2k profit (high for ED, but I've had a number of people here tell me that the only way to get a loaner when servicing there is to buy from them, so I decided to just pay the extra), so knowing "wholesale" such as it is, would be helpful.
Not true about purchasing from the dealer who will be providing service to have a loaner car. All 7 of my BMW's dating back to 2004 have been purchased from out of state BMW Centers and I have never had a problem getting a local service car. If they give you any push-back for the loaner car, then you can always counter with all 0's for the follow-up survey. I believe that providing a loaner car is a directive from BMWNA and 10% of the CSI is based on this. Never more than 1k over ED invoice, unless its a 1st year model which comes out of dealership US allocation.
captainaudio commented:
January 19, 2015, 10:36 pm

I briefly looked into BMW individual and came to the conclusion that the end result is a car that is overpriced and a very marginal value. If you check every option and then go with BMW Individual you can run an M4 Convertible up to over $100,000. Since the car is probably overpriced to begin with I saw no point in doing that.

CA
gm1963 commented:
January 20, 2015, 10:40 am

I am ordering a 435i GC and have found it's not a problem to get Tanzanite Blue for $1,950 just like in the 535i U.S. configurator but am being told that Individual Interior (Nutmeg) is restricted for the U.S. Dealer is working to see if we can get an exception made with BMWNA, should know in the next few days if they will do this or not. It's really frustrating that they have a publication for the 4 GC individual options and you can easily see others in different countries taking advantage of this...but yet in the U.S. this is limited. Hoping I can get them to do the Extended Individual Leather in Nutmeg for $2,500 just like the 535i....we'll see what happens.
Technic commented:
January 20, 2015, 11:03 am

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Originally Posted by gm1963 View Post
I am ordering a 435i GC and have found it's not a problem to get Tanzanite Blue for $1,950 just like in the 535i U.S. configurator but am being told that Individual Interior (Nutmeg) is restricted for the U.S. Dealer is working to see if we can get an exception made with BMWNA, should know in the next few days if they will do this or not. It's really frustrating that they have a publication for the 4 GC individual options and you can easily see others in different countries taking advantage of this...but yet in the U.S. this is limited. Hoping I can get them to do the Extended Individual Leather in Nutmeg for $2,500 just like the 535i....we'll see what happens.
There is no Extended Leather available for the F3x as it is in the F10. The F3x dash only comes fully covered (top and bottom) and not the bottom half only as in the F10.

Extended Leather is only available in the F80/82, and the Extended portion is only the door handles and nothing else.

Perhaps the problem in getting Individual Nutmeg approved in the USA F3x is not a matter of color, it may be a matter of the Merino hide not being approved yet for the USA F3x. It is only available in the F8x in the USA.
gm1963 commented:
January 20, 2015, 11:13 am

thanks Technic, Yeah I know that is what BMW is saying...but I've seen the exact combo I want on a 435i in Sweden. So I know it's available and that they can do it...as you say they just haven't "approved it for the U.S." ....which goes to my point. So i could very well be taking delivery of my car in Germany with Oyster Dakota Leather right next to a guy that's taking delivery of the exact same car bound for the U.K with Extended Merino Leather. That's what makes it so frustrating. I wish I'd never seen the car in Sweden...I'd have never have known what I'm missing.
Diesel Power commented:
January 20, 2015, 11:24 am

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Originally Posted by Technic View Post
There is no Extended Leather available for the F3x as it is in the F10. The F3x dash only comes fully covered (top and bottom) and not the bottom half only as in the F10.



Extended Leather is only available in the F80/82, and the Extended portion is only the door handles and nothing else.



Perhaps the problem in getting Individual Nutmeg approved in the USA F3x is not a matter of color, it may be a matter of the Merino hide not being approved yet for the USA F3x. It is only available in the F8x in the USA.

Since Merino Leather isn't approved for F3X in USA, does this imply that a custom dye color for Dakota Leather is possible?
Santorini Blue commented:
January 20, 2015, 11:35 am

I was told that to get the upgraded interior I had to order a "lines" car. Price of admission.
Technic commented:
January 20, 2015, 2:39 pm

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Originally Posted by gm1963 View Post
thanks Technic, Yeah I know that is what BMW is saying...but I've seen the exact combo I want on a 435i in Sweden. So I know it's available and that they can do it...as you say they just haven't "approved it for the U.S." ....which goes to my point. So i could very well be taking delivery of my car in Germany with Oyster Dakota Leather right next to a guy that's taking delivery of the exact same car bound for the U.K with Extended Merino Leather. That's what makes it so frustrating. I wish I'd never seen the car in Sweden...I'd have never have known what I'm missing.
As discussed before, for an Individual interior to be available in the USA it has to be certified (crashed) for the USA. Just because an Individual interior is available outside the USA does not make it available in the USA. Most probably that is what BMWNA is telling your dealer. Or perhaps your dealer is asking the wrong people at BMWNA.
gm1963 commented:
January 20, 2015, 2:44 pm

crashed? so interior has to be crash tested?? that makes no sense to me
Technic commented:
January 20, 2015, 2:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Diesel Power View Post
Since Merino Leather isn't approved for F3X in USA, does this imply that a custom dye color for Dakota Leather is possible?
I am not that sure that Merino in the USA F30 is not possible. I think that average dealers have a problem ordering Individual in the USA.

Custom dyeing is available (I was offered that option once) but it is so expensive that it does not make any sense in Dakota.
jrubens commented:
January 20, 2015, 5:50 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by gm1963 View Post
I am ordering a 435i GC and have found it's not a problem to get Tanzanite Blue for $1,950 just like in the 535i U.S. configurator but am being told that Individual Interior (Nutmeg) is restricted for the U.S. Dealer is working to see if we can get an exception made with BMWNA, should know in the next few days if they will do this or not. It's really frustrating that they have a publication for the 4 GC individual options and you can easily see others in different countries taking advantage of this...but yet in the U.S. this is limited. Hoping I can get them to do the Extended Individual Leather in Nutmeg for $2,500 just like the 535i....we'll see what happens.
My dealer's sales manager called today and was told that Cohiba was not available for the 4 series, only M. They are calling back to find out if Nutmeg would be available. Rather than going piecemeal, I asked them to find out all of the possible exterior colors, interior colors and trim and then we can see what might work.
jrubens commented:
January 21, 2015, 8:48 pm

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Originally Posted by jrubens View Post
My dealer's sales manager called today and was told that Cohiba was not available for the 4 series, only M. They are calling back to find out if Nutmeg would be available. Rather than going piecemeal, I asked them to find out all of the possible exterior colors, interior colors and trim and then we can see what might work.
BMW does not make this easy! They wouldn't provide a list to my CA of all the options. Instead, they want to know what I want and will then say whether they can do it and at what cost. So, I've asked about Tanzanite Blue paint, Nutmeg Marino leather and the auburn trim. If they can't do the leather, I've asked if they can do the trim with a regular black leather interior.

The Tanzanite Blue is actually pretty close to Mystic Blue (which was on my e46), so I'm leaning toward it although I'm not opposed to plain old alpine white either. Should know more tomorrow.
Gary J commented:
January 22, 2015, 7:09 am

Do Individual options depreciate faster than the car as a whole?
Technic commented:
January 22, 2015, 7:46 am

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Originally Posted by gm1963 View Post
crashed? so interior has to be crash tested?? that makes no sense to me
As explained before (this keeps coming back from the dead every 6 months or so), the front seats have airbag sensors that are calibrated depending on the leather hide -this is directly from Individual.
Technic commented:
January 22, 2015, 7:47 am

That sounds about right.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrubens View Post
BMW does not make this easy! They wouldn't provide a list to my CA of all the options. Instead, they want to know what I want and will then say whether they can do it and at what cost. So, I've asked about Tanzanite Blue paint, Nutmeg Marino leather and the auburn trim. If they can't do the leather, I've asked if they can do the trim with a regular black leather interior.

The Tanzanite Blue is actually pretty close to Mystic Blue (which was on my e46), so I'm leaning toward it although I'm not opposed to plain old alpine white either. Should know more tomorrow.
jrubens commented:
January 22, 2015, 4:11 pm

So.... individual upholstery is not available on the 435i. Only M4.

Trim may be available.

Tanzanite Blue is available for around $1950 and can be built in time for my European Delivery.

Now I just have to decide whether to (a) stick with Alpine White/Black Dakota/Blue Sticthing with Anthracite Trim, (b) go to Alpine White/Black Dakota/Blue Stitching with Auburn Trim (if available), or (c) Tanzanite Blue/Black Dakota/Blue Stitching with Anthracite Trim, or (d) Tanzanite Blue/Black Dakota/Blue Stitching with Auburn Trim (if available), or (d) Tanzanite Blue/Tan Dakota with Burl Walnut Trim (which is the closest replacement to my e46 available.

This would have been much easier if the upholstery were available but not the exterior color....
gm1963 commented:
January 22, 2015, 4:12 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Technic View Post
As explained before (this keeps coming back from the dead every 6 months or so), the front seats have airbag sensors that are calibrated depending on the leather hide -this is directly from Individual.
Oh ok that makes more sense...sorry but i'm new and have reviewed a lot of threads on this but never saw that info...so thanks
Hound Passer commented:
January 22, 2015, 6:18 pm

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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post
Do Individual options depreciate faster than the car as a whole?
Metallic paint is 95-105% lost no matter if it's stock or custom. (Unless it's a truly godawful color like Urban Green on the '03 Z4. Then it's a 200-300% loss). I don't know the depreciation % on special order trim and upgraded leather but would guess it's appreciably greater than stock because it was the emotional purchase of the first buyer. My guess is used car buyers are not going to care enough to pay a noticeable premium over a similar stock car on the lot.
Eagle11 commented:
January 23, 2015, 3:57 am

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Originally Posted by jrubens View Post
My CA looked at the ordering guide and the only priority 1 option was the leather dash. I'm guessing there is a different ordering guide that is not widely publicly distributed? Sort of like the secret menu at In-N-Out?
It's not really that secert if the menu is posted on the web
John MS commented:
January 23, 2015, 11:14 am

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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post
Do Individual options depreciate faster than the car as a whole?
I don't know how to answer that because the options are not separable from the whole car that they are on. A related question is whether a car equipped with individual premium options will sell for more than a car equipped with one or more of the standard option packages. I suspect that sellers will price them that way but many buyers will resist when a comparable car not equipped with individual options can be had for less.
bmw325 commented:
January 23, 2015, 2:34 pm

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Originally Posted by John MS View Post
I don't know how to answer that because the options are not separable from the whole car that they are on. A related question is whether a car equipped with individual premium options will sell for more than a car equipped with one or more of the standard option packages. I suspect that sellers will price them that way but many buyers will resist when a comparable car not equipped with individual options can be had for less.
Yep- unless you happen to find a buyer who really wants that particular option and it is rare.
jrubens commented:
January 23, 2015, 3:27 pm

I've been told that Individual will not be available on the 3/4 series in the US except for M models. Oh well.
gm1963 commented:
January 23, 2015, 3:40 pm

JRubens,

I know you can get individual paint, still waiting to hear back on the interior but i don't hold out much hope given the previous comments. If your dealer is telling you that you can't get Tanzanite Blue, they are wrong...It's $1,950 and I'm ordering it on a 435 GC
jrubens commented:
January 23, 2015, 3:44 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by gm1963 View Post
JRubens,

I know you can get individual paint, still waiting to hear back on the interior but i don't hold out much hope given the previous comments. If your dealer is telling you that you can't get Tanzanite Blue, they are wrong...It's $1,950 and I'm ordering it on a 435 GC
Yes, that's what I've been told. I'm trying to decide now between Tanzanite Blue and a tan interior (I think the oyster white will get too dirty in a convertible) and Alpine white and either tan or black interior.

I really would have loved a white car and brown leather interior, but that's not in the cards. It's not available as either Individual or special order. The reason is that introducing a new leather would require crash testing and it would have to pass US regulations, per BMW.
gm1963 commented:
January 23, 2015, 3:54 pm

Yeah, that's what Technic said the other day, crash test, etc... and I would understand that more if they didn't put it in an M Car...so they crash tested an M3 but that's different from a 335 how...(in terms of crash tests, not performance)....and they put individual leather in a 535 but can't do it in a 435 so the 535 was crash tested and the 435 wasn't? .... honestly I think it's just a BS line they came up with because they want to maintain Individual for Europe and for more expensive cars in the U.S.....If you haven't seen this post on the other forum go take a look: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1031247 or just google: "tanzanite blue and nutmeg 435" It's where i got the idea in the first place to try and get Nutmeg interior paired with Tanz. Blue...beautiful car!! I've talked to that guy from Sweeden, very nice gentleman, who also thinks it's a crock that I can't buy the same thing here. Ok...enough ranting for today...good luck with your build...I think i'm probably headed to Tanz. Blue and Oyster, hoping to finalize early next week.
Technic commented:
January 23, 2015, 4:00 pm

The only White/Brown combo in the USA is in the Luxury Line. However, you can request a Luxury Line with Dakota Saddle Brown Sport seats and M Suspension as special add-ons. If you want to get real fancy within what can be approved in the USA then add the Leather Dash with the Saddle Brown Sport seats. That with White and M Sport brakes would be killer...

That only would work if you are not getting the M Sport, though. And even then you can add the M Sport bumpers later...

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Originally Posted by jrubens View Post
Yes, that's what I've been told. I'm trying to decide now between Tanzanite Blue and a tan interior (I think the oyster white will get too dirty in a convertible) and Alpine white and either tan or black interior.

I really would have loved a white car and brown leather interior, but that's not in the cards. It's not available as either Individual or special order. The reason is that introducing a new leather would require crash testing and it would have to pass US regulations, per BMW.
jrubens commented:
January 23, 2015, 4:03 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by gm1963 View Post
Yeah, that's what Technic said the other day, crash test, etc... and I would understand that more if they didn't put it in an M Car...so they crash tested an M3 but that's different from a 335 how...(in terms of crash tests, not performance)....and they put individual leather in a 535 but can't do it in a 435 so the 535 was crash tested and the 435 wasn't? .... honestly I think it's just a BS line they came up with because they want to maintain Individual for Europe and for more expensive cars in the U.S.....If you haven't seen this post on the other forum go take a look: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1031247 or just google: "tanzanite blue and nutmeg 435" It's where i got the idea in the first place to try and get Nutmeg interior paired with Tanz. Blue...beautiful car!! I've talked to that guy from Sweeden, very nice gentleman, who also thinks it's a crock that I can't buy the same thing here. Ok...enough ranting for today...good luck with your build...I think i'm probably headed to Tanz. Blue and Oyster, hoping to finalize early next week.
I'm convinced that Oyster would get very dirty with a convertible. The tan interior in my last car got pretty dirty--particularly the back headrests--when I drove around with the top down a lot.

Good luck to you, too!
jrubens commented:
January 23, 2015, 4:04 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Technic View Post
The only White/Brown combo in the USA is in the Luxury Line. However, you can request a Luxury Line with Dakota Saddle Brown Sport seats and M Suspension as special add-ons. If you want to get real fancy within what can be approved in the USA then add the Leather Dash with the Saddle Brown Sport seats. That with White and M Sport brakes would be killer...

That only would work if you are not getting the M Sport, though. And even then you can add the M Sport bumpers later...
Yeah. But I can't imagine not getting M Sport--and the M Sport seats!
Technic commented:
January 23, 2015, 4:10 pm

The F8x has completely different seats from the F3x, that's why. The F8x seats do not have even separate headrests (which are also regulated). The E9x M3 used to share the same exact bottom of the seats (where the airbag sensor is located) as the non-M E9x which allowed Individual interiors to be available in all USA E9x. Considering that the non-USA M3 used to have different seat bottom assemblies then it can be concluded that BMWNA saved some development/crash money by using the same seat bottoms in all the E9x in the USA -the USA Individual interior availability was just frosting.

Just a note: these crash tests are so delicate that the E60 LCI got lower side-impact ratings compared with the pre-LCI just because door panels were redesigned/restyled.

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Originally Posted by gm1963 View Post
Yeah, that's what Technic said the other day, crash test, etc... and I would understand that more if they didn't put it in an M Car...so they crash tested an M3 but that's different from a 335 how...(in terms of crash tests, not performance)....and they put individual leather in a 535 but can't do it in a 435 so the 535 was crash tested and the 435 wasn't? .... honestly I think it's just a BS line they came up with because they want to maintain Individual for Europe and for more expensive cars in the U.S.....If you haven't seen this post on the other forum go take a look: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1031247 or just google: "tanzanite blue and nutmeg 435" It's where i got the idea in the first place to try and get Nutmeg interior paired with Tanz. Blue...beautiful car!! I've talked to that guy from Sweeden, very nice gentleman, who also thinks it's a crock that I can't buy the same thing here. Ok...enough ranting for today...good luck with your build...I think i'm probably headed to Tanz. Blue and Oyster, hoping to finalize early next week.
Technic commented:
January 23, 2015, 4:17 pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrubens View Post
Yeah. But I can't imagine not getting M Sport--and the M Sport seats!
What I meant was that you can request a Luxury Line with the same Sport seats of the Sport Line and M Sport as special add-on. Luxury Line in Europe allows most of the Sport Line major components as separate options (Sport seats, M Suspension, Anthracite headliner and M Sport steering wheel). These options can be special ordered in the USA Luxury Line. Then request the M Sport bumpers as a port installed accessory kit.

By the time you add up all the costs of going this custom you will quickly realize that pretty much you will be spending the same as for an Individual interior (~$5000). And not getting Tanzanite will save you ~$1500.
Zeichen311 commented:
January 23, 2015, 4:28 pm

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Originally Posted by gm1963 View Post
Yeah, that's what Technic said the other day, crash test, etc... and I would understand that more if they didn't put it in an M Car...so they crash tested an M3 but that's different from a 335 how...(in terms of crash tests, not performance)....and they put individual leather in a 535 but can't do it in a 435 so the 535 was crash tested and the 435 wasn't? .... honestly I think it's just a BS line they came up with because they want to maintain Individual for Europe and for more expensive cars in the U.S....
It is not a BS line. Really, how hard is this to accept? As Technic has explained multiple times, the grade of hide on the seats affects the airbag sensor calibration. BMW Individual does not make the rules that say a 435 is different from an M4, the US government does. They are mechanically different cars, introduced as different models and therefore subject to independent US emissions and safety certification. One was tested and certified with Merino leather, one was not. BMW does not get to submit the paperwork for the M4 with a note that says "see 435, kthxbai."

The full Individual program is available in the US, and has been for at least a decade, on any model for which Individual equipment is available. This is straight from the mouth of BMW NA management. There is no artificial exclusivity for Europe or higher-priced cars. However, the dealership principal has to sign off on the order--if they are not comfortable with your and your deal, you don't get to place the order, no matter what Individual will build.
Diesel Power commented:
January 23, 2015, 4:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Technic View Post
The only White/Brown combo in the USA is in the Luxury Line. However, you can request a Luxury Line with Dakota Saddle Brown Sport seats and M Suspension as special add-ons. If you want to get real fancy within what can be approved in the USA then add the Leather Dash with the Saddle Brown Sport seats. That with White and M Sport brakes would be killer...



That only would work if you are not getting the M Sport, though. And even then you can add the M Sport bumpers later...

If one wanted Tanzanite Blue over Saddle Brown (exclusive color to Luxury Line) in a 428i GC, then the special add-on request for sport seats in the same color is feasible in the USA market?

I saw a Luxury Line 328i in Mineral Grey over Saddle Brown in a BMW dealership today, which looked very nice as well.
Technic commented:
January 23, 2015, 5:07 pm

Yes. Your dealer must request all those options added by code to the Luxury Line to BMWNA. Understand that you will be paying full MSRP for each of those options and this is allowed just because a Line was already ordered. For example, about $500 for Sport seats, $400 for the M Sport suspension, $300 for the M Sport steering wheel and so on.

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Originally Posted by Diesel Power View Post
If one wanted Tanzanite Blue over Saddle Brown (exclusive color to Luxury Line) in a 428i GC, then the special add-on request for sport seats in the same color is feasible in the USA market?

I saw a Luxury Line 328i in Mineral Grey over Saddle Brown in a BMW dealership today, which looked very nice as well.
Diesel Power commented:
January 23, 2015, 5:36 pm

Good to know. Of course those three additional options you mentioned will consume most of the $1,800 cost differential between Luxury Line and M Sport. Saddle Brown is my preferred interior color choice.
Technic commented:
January 23, 2015, 6:16 pm

That is the only purpose of this exercise... you got to pay if you want custom.

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Originally Posted by Diesel Power View Post
Good to know. Of course those three additional options you mentioned will consume most of the $1,800 cost differential between Luxury Line and M Sport. Saddle Brown is my preferred interior color choice.
Diesel Power commented:
January 23, 2015, 7:44 pm

Indeed. Could I live with a different color combo? Probably. Would I be completely satisfied? No way!
bmw325 commented:
January 23, 2015, 9:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Technic View Post
Yes. Your dealer must request all those options added by code to the Luxury Line to BMWNA. Understand that you will be paying full MSRP for each of those options and this is allowed just because a Line was already ordered. For example, about $500 for Sport seats, $400 for the M Sport suspension, $300 for the M Sport steering wheel and so on.

So are you saying that they would likely decline a request to add those options to a no line car?
Technic commented:
January 23, 2015, 9:28 pm

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Originally Posted by bmw325 View Post
So are you saying that they would likely decline a request to add those options to a no line car?
If you do not select a Line then you cannot pick and choose parts from a Line in a no-Line. That defeats the only purpose of a Line.

Think about it.
jrubens commented:
January 24, 2015, 6:35 pm

Technic, now we're getting to something pretty convoluted....and don't forget that one would want to add the M rims.

I need to look at the ordering guide. Can you have a different bumper installed at the port if you've already taken delivery in Europe and driven 1000 miles? Seems a stretch, but at this point, nothing would surprise me.

I'm looking into the option of getting an individual trim with the black seats. It would open up the interior without making things too complicated. I don't like aluminum, the burl seems too red to me for a black interior, ash too grey. Anthracite was the way I was going to go, but if I could get the auburn trim instead, I think that would go a long way to breaking up the monotony for me. Not sure about the exterior between blue and white, but I'm going to wait and see about the trim first. I've spent far too much time looking at photos and not enough time getting work done, so I need to make a final decision soon.
Technic commented:
January 24, 2015, 11:08 pm

There is a reason of why BMWNA limits custom factory orders -they can become convoluted pretty quick for most customers. It does not help that they are quite expensive as well.

I missed your ED... I think that BMW is doing no Port Installed options on ED. Something related to only brand new parts to exchange -which ED are not once you take delivery over there.

Only your dealer can tell you for sure.

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Originally Posted by jrubens View Post
Technic, now we're getting to something pretty convoluted....and don't forget that one would want to add the M rims.

I need to look at the ordering guide. Can you have a different bumper installed at the port if you've already taken delivery in Europe and driven 1000 miles? Seems a stretch, but at this point, nothing would surprise me.

I'm looking into the option of getting an individual trim with the black seats. It would open up the interior without making things too complicated. I don't like aluminum, the burl seems too red to me for a black interior, ash too grey. Anthracite was the way I was going to go, but if I could get the auburn trim instead, I think that would go a long way to breaking up the monotony for me. Not sure about the exterior between blue and white, but I'm going to wait and see about the trim first. I've spent far too much time looking at photos and not enough time getting work done, so I need to make a final decision soon.
Z_Victor1 commented:
January 25, 2015, 12:10 pm

I am fortunate to have on my 435i, the TanzanitBlau Individual Colour with Kashmir Beige Merino Leather and Criollo Brown piping.

It is a stunning combination and if you decide you want to go for BMW's Individual Colour it is worth chasing your dealer and persevering to get it.

So...to help anyone trying to get this combo, I've listed the spec EXACTLY as it appears off the VIN data sheet for my car...

IN GERMAN first

Individualausstattung

---- Steuerung Individual
Hinweisschild BMW Individual

0X10 Tansanitblau
Sonderlackierung "tansanitblau-metallic", wie Schl. Nr. X10.

ZAKS BMW Indiv. erweiterte Lederausstattung Kaschmirbeige
Erweiterte Lederausstattung Merino Feinnarbe kashmirbeige
(Nr. 7 983 332 / Sun Reflective Technology).
Naehfaden in creambeige (Nr. 7 028 837), Farb Nr. 0760 D.
Steppzwirn in creambeige (Nr. 7 028 845), Farb Nr. 0760 D.
************************************************** ******************
Folgende Umfaenge sind in Leder Merino Feinnarbe kashmirbeige -
Praegeleder in Flechtoptik
(Nr. 7 983 334 / Sun Reflective Technology):
- Einsaetze der Tuer/-Seitenverkleidungen (Blenden Mitte)
Naehfaden in creambeige (Nr. 7 028 837), Farb Nr. 0760 D.
Steppzwirn in creambeige (Nr. 7 028 845), Farb Nr. 0760 D.
- Intarsienkeder an Sitzen
************************************************** ******************
Folgende Umfaenge sind mit Kontrastkeder
in Leder Merino Feinnarbe criollobraun
(Nr. 7 975 331 / Sun Reflective Technology):
- Sitze
- Kopfstuetzen
************************************************** ******************
Folgende Umfaenge sind mit Kontraststeppung in criollobraun:
- Doppelkappnaht an Sitz/-Lehnenwulstteile (nur Sitze vorne)
(ohne innere Doppelkappnaht der Sitz/-Lehnenwulstteile)
- Doppelkappnaht an Sitzwulstteil mitte im Fond
- Doppelkappnaht an Kopfstuetzen (nur Sitze vorne)
- Doppelkappnaht an Armauflage der Tuer/-Seitenverkleidungen
- Doppelkappnaht an Deckel/Armauflage der Mittelkonsole
- Einfachkappnaht am Intarsienkeder der Sitze
Naehfaden in terra (Nr. 7 146 337), Farb Nr. 1844 D.
Steppzwirn in criollobraun (Nr. 7 967 448), Farb Nr. 1865 F.
************************************************** ******************
Folgende Umfaenge sind in Leder Walknappa schwarz (Nr. 1 938 942):
- Handbremshebelbalg
Naehfaden in schwarz (Nr. 1 905 499), Farb-Nr. 0020.
Steppzwirn in schwarz (Nr. 1 963 800), Farb-Nr. 0020.
************************************************** ******************
Nahtbild der Sitze vorne und hinten wie Sportsitz Individual.

Restliche Innenausstattung wie bei Leder Dakota schwarz,
Schl.Nr. LCSW.

0XE7 BMW Individual Interieurleisten Pianolack schwarz
Dekorblenden in Pianolack "schwarz II".
************************************************** ******************
(Akzentleiste ist in Perlglanz Chrom).

And in ENGLISH next:-

---- Processing Indivdual
Sign "BMW Individual"

0X10 Tanzanite Blue
Paintwork "tanzanite blue-metallic" (code X10)

ZAKS BMW Indiv. extended leather trim Kashmir Beige
Extended leather Merino Kashmir Beige
(nb. 7 983 332 / Sun Reflective Technology):
Sewing thread cream beige (nb. 7 028 837), code 0760 D.
Quilting yarn cream beige (nb. 7 028 845), code 0760 D.
************************************************** ****
Following items in leather Merino Kashmir Beige
stamping leather in braid optics
(nb. 7 983 334 / Sun Reflective Technology)
- Door-/and side panel inserts
Sewing thread cream beige (nb. 7 028 837), code 0760 D.
Quilting yarn cream beige (nb. 7 028 845), code 0760 D.
- Inlay piping on seats
************************************************** ****
Following items with contrast piping
In leather Merino criollo brown
(nb. 7 975 331 / Sun Reflective Technology)
- Seats
- Headrests
************************************************** ****
Following items with contrast stitching in Criollo Brown
- Double lap seam on seat side panels (only on front seats)
(without inner double lap seam on seat side panels)
- Double lap seam on seat center panel (only on back seats)
- Double lap seam on headrests (only on front seats)
- Double lap seam on door-/and side panel armrest
- Double lap seam on flap lid/armrest of center console
- Lap seam on inlay-piping of seats
Sewing thread terra (nb. 7 146 337), code 1844 D
Quilting yarn criollo brown (nb. 7 967 448), code 1865 F.
************************************************** ****
Following items in leather Walknappa black (nb. 1 938 942):
- Handbrake lever gaiter
Sewing thread black (nb. 1 905 499), code 0020
Quilting yarn black (nb. 1 963 800), code 0020
************************************************** ****
Seam of front and rear seats according to sport seats individual

Remainder of spec. as leather Dakota black (code LCSW).

0XE7 BMW Individual interior trim Piano finish, black
Interior trim strips in piano finish "black II"
************************************************** ****
(accentuated rail in pearl-gloss chrome)
gm1963 commented:
January 25, 2015, 2:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Zeichen311 View Post
It is not a BS line. Really, how hard is this to accept? As Technic has explained multiple times, the grade of hide on the seats affects the airbag sensor calibration. BMW Individual does not make the rules that say a 435 is different from an M4, the US government does. They are mechanically different cars, introduced as different models and therefore subject to independent US emissions and safety certification. One was tested and certified with Merino leather, one was not. BMW does not get to submit the paperwork for the M4 with a note that says "see 435, kthxbai."

The full Individual program is available in the US, and has been for at least a decade, on any model for which Individual equipment is available. This is straight from the mouth of BMW NA management. There is no artificial exclusivity for Europe or higher-priced cars. However, the dealership principal has to sign off on the order--if they are not comfortable with your and your deal, you don't get to place the order, no matter what Individual will build.
Ok, so which is it then....in the first paragraph you say that the U.S. Government doesn't allow Individual interior because it hasn't been crash tested just as others have mentioned. Ok, if that's the way it is i'll accept it and move on. However, in the next paragraph you say that the Individual program is available in the U.S. on any model for which Individual equipment is available...my dealer just has to sign off on it. It can't be both ways, inless of course your saying that some dealers can get BMWNA to ignore the lack of approval by USDOT...I've seen posts where folks say if you talk to the right person you can get Individual any time on anything, you may just have to pay a premium for it...and yet like Technic, others refer back to the lack of crash testing and the fact that individual interior is not available at all for the f3x. That's why I'm confused. One group says one thing, another group says another...and frankly you've actually referred to both lines of thought in the same post.
Z_Victor1 commented:
January 25, 2015, 3:08 pm

Some photos of Tanzanite Blau with Cashmere Beige...sorry, but cloudy day.

David
gm1963 commented:
January 25, 2015, 3:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Z_Victor1 View Post
Some photos of Tanzanite Blau with Kashmir Beige...sorry, but cloudy day.

David
That's absolutely gorgeous! Congrats!!
Technic commented:
January 25, 2015, 5:30 pm

The meaning of all this is: the Individual Program has been available in the USA for quite some time. Certain Individual options are not available in the USA due to local regulations.

For example, I requested an Individual Bicolor Coral Red/Black Dakota interior for an F30 6 months ago and it was approved. The $7000 price was the problem for me to digest for Dakota leather.

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Originally Posted by gm1963 View Post
Ok, so which is it then....in the first paragraph you say that the U.S. Government doesn't allow Individual interior because it hasn't been crash tested just as others have mentioned. Ok, if that's the way it is i'll accept it and move on. However, in the next paragraph you say that the Individual program is available in the U.S. on any model for which Individual equipment is available...my dealer just has to sign off on it. It can't be both ways, inless of course your saying that some dealers can get BMWNA to ignore the lack of approval by USDOT...I've seen posts where folks say if you talk to the right person you can get Individual any time on anything, you may just have to pay a premium for it...and yet like Technic, others refer back to the lack of crash testing and the fact that individual interior is not available at all for the f3x. That's why I'm confused. One group says one thing, another group says another...and frankly you've actually referred to both lines of thought in the same post.
the_phew commented:
January 26, 2015, 1:32 pm

Word on the street is that with the LCI, BMW will offer a brown Dakota with the Sport/M-sport lines. If this is what you are after, you would be wise to wait a few months.

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Originally Posted by Technic View Post
Yes. Your dealer must request all those options added by code to the Luxury Line to BMWNA. Understand that you will be paying full MSRP for each of those options and this is allowed just because a Line was already ordered. For example, about $500 for Sport seats, $400 for the M Sport suspension, $300 for the M Sport steering wheel and so on.
So you can order a Sport Line and add the M Sport Steering wheel for $300? I'd do that in a heartbeat on a 335i. I don't like the M body kit anyway, and prefer the 397 wheels, the red stitching, black gloss trim, etc.
jrubens commented:
January 26, 2015, 4:46 pm

I heard back and the only thing that can be changed "individual" is the color of the f33. No trim or upholstery changes.
drkeng commented:
January 27, 2015, 11:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Z_Victor1 View Post
Some photos of Tanzanite Blau with Cashmere Beige...sorry, but cloudy day.

David
that's a great blue!!