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Help: Any way to create Nav update DVDs from Nav USB stick?

Rich_Jenkins
07-23-2013, 05:24 PM
Ok, not exactly coding related, but perhaps you techie guys can help?

I have a 2009,Jan 30 build date E92 with Navi. I have the original BMW maps in the car.

I recently bought a USB 2013 Nav update thumb drive that was used by another person to update their car. I've tried to initiate a read of the navi data via the USB input in the car, to no avail.

Question: is it possible to take the files on the USB, and create DVDs that can be loaded from the DVD drive in the car, the same way the dealer would?

If so, how?

10-535xi
07-23-2013, 07:23 PM
Assuming your car has a CIC (not sure when E92 started), are you using the USB port in the glovebox? If so, it might be worthwhile getting your CIC updated to the last firmware rev,as that is what enabled the USB map updates in my 04/2009 E60 with CIC.

dracon
07-23-2013, 08:14 PM
Ok, not exactly coding related, but perhaps you techie guys can help?

I have a 2009,Jan 30 build date E92 M3 with Navi. I have the original BMW maps in the car.

I recently bought a USB 2013 Nav update thumb drive that was used by another person to update their car. I've tried to initiate a read of the navi data via the USB input in the car, to no avail.

Question: is it possible to take the files on the USB, and create DVDs that can be loaded from the DVD drive in the car, the same way the dealer would?

If so, how?

Starting with 2013, maps for the CIC *only* come in USB format for the North American market. There are no DVDs produced for the North America market anymore. Updating the navigation system can only be done two ways. Via USB stick (attached to the Glovebox USB port) and via ISTA/P (where ISTA/P loads the data via the MOST bus, it should also want to update the firmware at the same time so this should be a one-time event, afterwards you can use USB).

2009 models require a software update to the CIC in order to update over USB (which is why BMW notes with 2009 models require a dealership trip for the update).

Most 2009 owners I have worked with (since I can generate FSC codes) have been able to complain to their dealership about a few known iDrive bugs (like the shopping cart bug) and get their software updated under warranty and then get the ability to update via USB as a side effect.

Only the European market still produces their updates on DVD. You can copy the DVD's to a USB stick and load the maps via USB if you want but unfortunately it doesn't work the other way around.

Rich_Jenkins
07-24-2013, 02:46 AM
^^^ Ok, got it.

Thanks for info, gives me something to think about.


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Rich_Jenkins
08-14-2013, 04:54 AM
I've ordered a set of these, cost me $18.69:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/231031044178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Assuming they load, I'll order an FSC code to activate. Will keep the thread updated with the results, in case there are others like me who have to go the DVD route instead of USB.

shawnsheridan
08-14-2013, 05:10 AM
I've ordered a set of these, cost me $18.69:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/231031044178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Assuming they load, I'll order an FSC code to activate. Will keep the thread updated with the results, in case there are others like me who have to go the DVD route instead of USB.
That is North American Professional version for older non-Hard Drive CCC system, and not Premium version for newer Hard Drive CIC system. Those DVD's do not get installed at all. On CCC system, you put either DVD1 or DVD2 in your drive depending on where you live, and it stays in and runs from the DVD Drive. They won't work in CIC. You need Premium Map version for CIC.

Rich_Jenkins
08-14-2013, 06:20 AM
That is North American Professional version for older non-Hard Drive CCC system, and not Premium version for newer Hard Drive CIC system. Those DVD's do not get installed at all. On CCC system, you put either DVD1 or DVD2 in your drive depending on where you live, and it stays in and runs from the DVD Drive. They won't work in CIC. You need Premium Map version for CIC.

Ok, well worth a shot. I'll keep looking in case these don't work.

Rich_Jenkins
08-14-2013, 10:25 AM
That is North American Professional version for older non-Hard Drive CCC system, and not Premium version for newer Hard Drive CIC system. Those DVD's do not get installed at all. On CCC system, you put either DVD1 or DVD2 in your drive depending on where you live, and it stays in and runs from the DVD Drive. They won't work in CIC. You need Premium Map version for CIC.

Right, I am working on sourcing a DVD Premium Map 2013 Nav Update...stay tuned...

shawnsheridan
08-14-2013, 10:26 AM
Right, I am working on sourcing a DVD Premium Map 2013 Nav Update...stay tuned...
If you get it, let me know, as there are others in your same boat, and I would like to Image the DVD's.

Rich_Jenkins
08-14-2013, 10:32 AM
If you get it, let me know, as there are others in your same boat, and I would like to Image the DVD's.

Will do. I figure, I might screw up a bit but if I can help others out I will. Hopefully back in a few days with positive results. :)


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Rich_Jenkins
08-14-2013, 08:22 PM
Crap. I'm coming to the conclusion I will only be able to update to 2012 maps.

1. My car won't accept USB updates because it is pre 09/09 build.
2. Apparently, the '13 update is one big package, about 22 Gb, which won't fit on a DVD-DL (Max 8 Gb) but does fit onto the 32 Gb USB sticks they are now using.
3. Correct?

Anyone have a spare set of 2012 update disks they would be willing to send me for postage?

shawnsheridan
08-14-2013, 08:27 PM
Crap. I'm coming to the conclusion I will only be able to update to 2012 maps.

1. My car won't accept USB updates because it is pre 09/09 build.
2. Apparently, the '13 update is one big package, about 22 Gb, which won't fit on a DVD-DL (Max 8 Gb) but does fit onto the 32 Gb USB sticks they are now using.
3. Correct?

Anyone have a spare set of 2012 update disks they would be willing to send me for postage?
As I said, the 2013 North American premium 3 Double Layer Double Density DVD Set is available, but extremely hard to find.

If you want 2012 DVD's, PM me, and I will send you a link to the DVD .iso Images online, that you can just download and burn with ImgBurn.

Rich_Jenkins
08-15-2013, 01:26 PM
As I said, the 2013 North American premium 3 Double Layer Double Density DVD Set is available, but extremely hard to find.

If you want 2012 DVD's, PM me, and I will send you a link to the DVD .iso Images online, that you can just download and burn with ImgBurn.

You rock! :sabrina:

Thanks for connecting me up with 2012 Nav updates. Am well on my way to update my Jan 09 build car maps. :bigpimp:

shawnsheridan
08-15-2013, 01:30 PM
You rock! :sabrina:

Thanks for connecting me up with 2012 Nav updates. Am well on my way to update my Jan 09 build car maps. :bigpimp:
:thumbup:

Rich_Jenkins
08-20-2013, 03:39 PM
Completed creation of 2012 Map DVDs, obtained FSC code, now at 54% update in the car, and climbing.

While I would have liked to have the 2013 updates, I'm well satisfied with 2012 update, at a net cost of $62.

Thanks again to members Shawnsheridan (DVDs) and Dracon (FSC code) for assistance. Much appreciated.

:thumbup:


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shawnsheridan
08-20-2013, 03:50 PM
Completed creation of 2012 Map DVDs, obtained FSC code, now at 54% update in the car, and climbing.

While I would have liked to have the 2013 updates, I'm well satisfied with 2012 update, at a net cost of $62.

Thanks again to members Shawnsheridan (DVDs) and Dracon (FSC code) for assistance. Much appreciated.

:thumbup:


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Glad it's working for you. :thumbup:

You may be stuck at 2012 though. I would look into getting the firmware on your CIC updated, so see then if it will accept USB Update for newer map versions, and which also happen to install in 1/3 the time as the DVD version.

Rich_Jenkins
08-20-2013, 04:15 PM
^^^ Oh yeah. :(. Sitting here watching DVD load.

I'm definitely glad to be at 2012. Thing is, I have a Dinan tune on top of the OEM SW, car is really running well, I just don't want to mess with it at the moment. Thanks again. :)


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shawnsheridan
08-20-2013, 04:24 PM
^^^ Oh yeah. :(. Sitting here watching DVD load.

I'm definitely glad to be at 2012. Thing is, I have a Dinan tune on top of the OEM SW, car is really running well, I just don't want to mess with it at the moment. Thanks again. :)


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Understood, but you do not need to Program the whole car. You can Flash CIC with WinKFP to update the firmware on only it.

Rich_Jenkins
08-20-2013, 04:51 PM
Understood, but you do not need to Program the whole car. You can Flash CIC with WinKFP to update the firmware on only it.

Geez. Now you are going to make me get a coding cable lol. Let me enjoy the 2012 maps for a bit. :bigpimp:




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shawnsheridan
08-20-2013, 04:54 PM
Geez. Now you are going to make me get a coding cable lol. Let me enjoy the 2012 maps for a bit. :bigpimp:

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BMW INPA / Ediabas K+DCAN USB Interface:

http://www.one-stop-electronics.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=16

:D

Rich_Jenkins
08-20-2013, 05:18 PM
BMW INPA / Ediabas K+DCAN USB Interface:

http://www.one-stop-electronics.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=16

:D

Aggggggggghhhhhhhhhh. :)

dracon
08-22-2013, 03:29 PM
You don't want to reflash the CIC with a DCAN cable. That's asking for killing it. (Then you'll get it updated by the dealership when they replace it.)

You'll want an ICOM A+B to connect to the optical port to reflash the CIC.

Too bad you aren't near Nashville, I've got a full Standard Tools setup, full ISTA setup, and ICOM.

shawnsheridan
08-22-2013, 04:17 PM
You don't want to reflash the CIC with a DCAN cable. That's asking for killing it. (Then you'll get it updated by the dealership when they replace it.)

You'll want an ICOM A+B to connect to the optical port to reflash the CIC.

Too bad you aren't near Nashville, I've got a full Standard Tools setup, full ISTA setup, and ICOM.
I wouldn't Flash CIC with DCAN Interface cable either, although I know people who have.

Even though I had mentioned flashing his CIC to fix USB Port, he then mentioned a Coding Cable, so I posted a link to a coding cable.

VAcurler
10-18-2013, 11:02 AM
From another thread I bought the 2014 upgrades from Alex and my July 2009 build E90 wouldn't accept the USB upgrade either. Fortunately his download lets me burn 3 DVDs and load them that way, so in theory it can be done. I say in theory because when I burned the discs I was able to get to 15.3% before the drive said my media was unreadable (Memorex DVDs from about 8 years ago).

Does anyone have a good recommendation for blank media that works well with the nav? I'm going to buy new media this weekend and try again.

shawnsheridan
10-18-2013, 11:30 AM
From another thread I bought the 2014 upgrades from Alex and my July 2009 build E90 wouldn't accept the USB upgrade either. Fortunately his download lets me burn 3 DVDs and load them that way, so in theory it can be done. I say in theory because when I burned the discs I was able to get to 15.3% before the drive said my media was unreadable (Memorex DVDs from about 8 years ago).

Does anyone have a good recommendation for blank media that works well with the nav? I'm going to buy new media this weekend and try again.
These burned fine and were used for successful 2014 Update.

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VAcurler
10-20-2013, 09:36 AM
Thanks. I successfully updated my NAV with Verbatim AZO DVD+R DL because that's what they had at the store.

http://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/7642/7642777_ra.jpg;canvasHeight=500;canvasWidth=500

If someone wants them, I'll be happy to mail them out. I'm just not sure it makes sense to pay for shipping for something that costs $11. FSC not included :)