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namelessman 07-28-2017 10:06 AM

Model 3 starts delivery, is that really the 3-series killer?
 
So the news says today the first 30 Model 3 will be delivered. It looks like Musk is on schedule this time.

Will prospective F30 buyers/lessees choose Model 3 instead?

ctorrey 07-28-2017 10:11 AM

I wouldn't, but that's just me.

smak91 07-28-2017 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorrey (Post 10573585)
I wouldn't, but that's just me.

I second that :thumbdwn:

181562 07-28-2017 11:18 AM

The answer is: It depends. I'd consider one (earlier in the year I was looking at the Chevy Volt) but not as my sole vehicle. While the Model 3 (and Chevy Bolt) is an improvement in electric vehicles they still have a ways to go before they're going to replace fossil fuel powered vehicles. Part of that ways to go is a supporting infrastructure.

Rebound 07-28-2017 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sunny5280 (Post 10574209)
. Part of that ways to go is a supporting infrastructure.

Yeah, electricity is really hard to find...

181562 07-28-2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebound (Post 10574345)
Yeah, electricity is really hard to find...

You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?

victor953 07-28-2017 12:19 PM

I'd go for Tesla just because they are starting up. And they are trying. It doesn't hurt to help your fellow entrepreneurs. Once BMW rolls out its electric 3 series to compete with the model 3 damn boi. But cmon.

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namelessman 07-28-2017 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by victor953 (Post 10574785)
I'd go for Tesla just because they are starting up. And they are trying. It doesn't hurt to help your fellow entrepreneurs. Once BMW rolls out its electric 3 series to compete with the model 3 damn boi. But cmon.

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Looks like BMW will start with pure electric 3-door Mini first in 2019.

https://www.bimmerfest.com/news/10263...ctric-in-2019/

chiefneil 07-28-2017 12:46 PM

Seems like a reasonable option for 2-car families that have a separate road-trip vehicle. We have an X5 we usually use for roadtrips, but we do sometimes take the 335i when we're traveling light, so a pure electric vehicle wouldn't work for us.

The entry-luxury sporty compact sedan space is very crowded and mature though. Seems unlikely that Tesla would "kill" any of the major players (A4, C-class, 3-series) with their very first effort. Especially when you consider that Lexus and Cadillac have been unsuccessfully knocking at that door for about a decade now.

anotheran 07-28-2017 01:28 PM

When a sub 3.5 sec 0-60 arrives in the cpo market for sub 40k, its over for the bmw 3 series

FCBayernFTW 07-28-2017 01:33 PM

Model 3 starts delivery, is that really the 3-series killer?
 
I don't think the Model 3 is even a direct competitor

That being said, the idea of the car is quite enticing next time around




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181562 07-28-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by anotheran (Post 10575361)
When a sub 3.5 sec 0-60 arrives in the cpo market for sub 40k, its over for the bmw 3 series

The problem with these 0-60 times is the battery cannot sustain such hard acceleration. The Model S may be the fastest 0-60 car but it can't sustain it.

Rebound 07-28-2017 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sunny5280 (Post 10574369)
You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?

I can find AC power in more locations. As plug in cars proliferate, growing the infrastructure is easy and cheap. Gas stations cost far more than charging stations.

anotheran 07-28-2017 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sunny5280 (Post 10575513)
The problem with these 0-60 times is the battery cannot sustain such hard acceleration. The Model S may be the fastest 0-60 car but it can't sustain it.


I agree but not a lot of ppl, even here, care about that. How many ppl here upgrade their fmic to avoid heat soak? How many ppl have realized msport brakes with stock pads fade fairly quickly when tracking hard? Not a lot. how many ppl here care about hp and 0-60 times here? Lots

Rebound 07-28-2017 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sunny5280 (Post 10575513)
The problem with these 0-60 times is the battery cannot sustain such hard acceleration. The Model S may be the fastest 0-60 car but it can't sustain it.

How long will your BMW last if you always drive 0-60 in under five seconds?

floydarogers 07-28-2017 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sunny5280 (Post 10574369)
You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?

Yes and no. Except for super super-charger stations, no charging station is comparable to a gas station - the filling rate is much much much slower. The only reason people consider them comparable is that most people don't drive their cars during work hours or at night.

floydarogers 07-28-2017 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by victor953 (Post 10574785)
I'd go for Tesla just because they are starting up. ...

OTOH, current Model S and X have been problematical from a fit-and-finish, and bug standpoint. Just like any new car, the Model 3 will be a pain-in-the-butt buggy.

181562 07-28-2017 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by anotheran (Post 10575561)
I agree but not a lot of ppl, even here, care about that. How many ppl here upgrade their fmic to avoid heat soak? How many ppl have realized msport brakes with stock pads fade fairly quickly when tracking hard? Not a lot. how many ppl here care about hp and 0-60 times here? Lots

Apparently you did as you brought it up.

181562 07-28-2017 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by floydarogers (Post 10575641)
Yes and no. Except for super super-charger stations, no charging station is comparable to a gas station - the filling rate is much much much slower. The only reason people consider them comparable is that most people don't drive their cars during work hours or at night.

Then the answer is: No.

181562 07-28-2017 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebound (Post 10575569)
How long will your BMW last if you always drive 0-60 in under five seconds?

Can't say. What I can say is that, barring any mechanical breakdown my BMW will post similar 0-60 times well after the Tesla Model S is sideline at a charging station.

Mark in NoVA 07-28-2017 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FCBayern///M4 (Post 10575393)
I don't think the Model 3 is even a direct competitor

That being said, the idea of the car is quite enticing next time around




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I agree on both counts.

I also think that not everyone has the same expectation for driving range as California, Colorado, Texas, rural Virginia, etc. There are a LOT of Teslas on the road in the DC area and I suspect most of those drive less than 50 miles per day. The close in suburbs have charging infrastructure, and even out in the hinterlands where I live there are superchargers (not horribly convenient location for locals, but they're here).

Once they work the bugs out and we see what a reasonably equipped car will really cost, it might be interesting...

Rebound 07-28-2017 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sunny5280 (Post 10575825)
Can't say. What I can say is that, barring any mechanical breakdown my BMW will post similar 0-60 times well after the Tesla Model S is sideline at a charging station.

So you've figured out that your mileage is lower if you drive with maximum acceleration?

181562 07-28-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebound (Post 10576049)
So you've figured out that your mileage is lower if you drive with maximum acceleration?

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

anotheran 07-28-2017 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sunny5280 (Post 10575777)
Apparently you did as you brought it up.

Sadly I'm not a majority otherwise the SUV and pick up markets wouldn't be so large

181562 07-28-2017 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by anotheran (Post 10576137)
Sadly I'm not a majority otherwise the SUV and pick up markets wouldn't be so large

Which is completely irrelevant.


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