Bimmerfest - BMW Forums

Bimmerfest - BMW Forums (https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/index.php)
-   Ask-A-BMW-Dealer (https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=20)
-   -   Owner's Choice for iPerformance questions (https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=977861)

Ossian512 05-07-2017 10:00 AM

Owner's Choice for iPerformance questions
 
My 530e is crossing the Atlantic at the moment, so I suppose it's time to figure out how I will pay for it...

Some questions for those of you in Texas, Georgia, or other states with hostile leasing tax treatment:

I am considering Owner's Choice instead of leasing, but not because I think I might buy the car at 36 months. Tell me if these assumptions are correct/incorrect:
  • OC is a purchase with a lease-like option to return. As a purchase, I would qualify for *financing* incentives/rebate rates such as USAA and fleet, rather than lease rate incentives/rebates
  • For iPerformance vehicels, OC would entitile me to the federal tax credit since it is a purchase
  • OC does not include gap insurance, therefore I would have to get that coverage elsewhere
  • OC does not require a leas acquisition fee
  • I still have to pay full sales taz on the OC purchase -- I just wouldn't get double-taxed if I make the balloon payment at contract term
  • There are no rate benefits from fleet, USAA, etc since there is no Money Factor, just an interest rate

I've always skipped OC in the past since I had no intention of buying my leased car at 36 months, but if the tax credits AND finance incentives/rebates apply, I think I'd be foolish not to go that OC route this time. What am I missing here?

1968BMW2800 05-07-2017 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ossian512 (Post 10148092)
My 530e is crossing the Atlantic at the moment, so I suppose it's time to figure out how I will pay for it...

Some questions for those of you in Texas, Georgia, or other states with hostile leasing tax treatment:

I am considering Owner's Choice instead of leasing, but not because I think I might buy the car at 36 months. Tell me if these assumptions are correct/incorrect:
  • OC is a purchase with a lease-like option to return. As a purchase, I would qualify for *financing* incentives/rebate rates such as USAA and fleet, rather than lease rate incentives/rebates
  • For iPerformance vehicels, OC would entitile me to the federal tax credit since it is a purchase
  • OC does not include gap insurance, therefore I would have to get that coverage elsewhere
  • OC does not require a leas acquisition fee
  • I still have to pay full sales taz on the OC purchase -- I just wouldn't get double-taxed if I make the balloon payment at contract term
  • There are no rate benefits from fleet, USAA, etc since there is no Money Factor, just an interest rate

I've always skipped OC in the past since I had no intention of buying my leased car at 36 months, but if the tax credits AND finance incentives/rebates apply, I think I'd be foolish not to go that OC route this time. What am I missing here?

From BMW (bold is mine):
When the final payment (the balloon) is due on an Owners’ Choice contract, you have the following options:

You may complete your vehicle purchase by making the final balloon payment.
You may be able to refinance the final balloon payment, subject to certain conditions.
You may be able to sell your BMW back to us at a pre-determined price that is less than the final balloon payment amount, and have the pre-determined price applied towards the final balloon payment amount. If you chose this option, you will owe the difference between the predetermined price of the BMW and the balloon payment amount, and you will no longer own the vehicle. (You may also be able to refinance the difference between the predetermined price of the BMW and the balloon payment amount, subject to certain conditions.)

TXPearl 05-07-2017 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1968BMW2800 (Post 10148167)
From BMW (bold is mine):
When the final payment (the balloon) is due on an Owners’ Choice contract, you have the following options:

You may complete your vehicle purchase by making the final balloon payment.
You may be able to refinance the final balloon payment, subject to certain conditions.
You may be able to sell your BMW back to us at a pre-determined price that is less than the final balloon payment amount, and have the pre-determined price applied towards the final balloon payment amount. If you chose this option, you will owe the difference between the predetermined price of the BMW and the balloon payment amount, and you will no longer own the vehicle. (You may also be able to refinance the difference between the predetermined price of the BMW and the balloon payment amount, subject to certain conditions.)

If not a typo, that would be a significant change to Owner's Choice. Up until now, you could walk away with a $350 disposition fee.

1968BMW2800 05-07-2017 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXPearl (Post 10148254)
If not a typo, that would be a significant change to Owner's Choice. Up until now, you could walk away with a $350 disposition fee.

I was wondering about that myself. I got this info from BMW, but it might be old -- I think we need the current straight scoop from a CA who knows for sure. Clearly, before doing OC, it would be important to have the total exit cost clearly defined, in writing.

LawdawgGA 05-07-2017 05:16 PM

I am likewise concerned about that sentence. I keep asking my OC and he never answers the question about what happens if the payoff is more than the guaranteed residual.

paffinity 05-07-2017 06:21 PM

Woah that's new. Definitely confirm this statement.

1968BMW2800 05-07-2017 08:16 PM

Here's where I found it, under the Owners Choice heading:

https://www.bmwusa.com/secured/conte...y.aspx?define=

adrian's bmw 05-08-2017 07:54 AM

From the OC contract:

"Section 12. Balloon Payment Options

C. Return (Sale) Option: I can satisfy the balloon payment by returning (selling) the Vehicle to you under the following agreement. To use this option, I must satisfy the following requirements: (a) Tell you in writing at least 30 days before the Balloon Payment due date that I want to return (sell) the Vehicle to you; (b) Pay you any amounts owed under the Contract on the due date of the Balloon Payment except the Balloon Payment; (c) Deliver the Vehicle to you at a reasonable place you tell me; (d) Delivery all documents, properly signed, needed to transfer clean title to the Vehicle to you or to a person you tell me to transfer it to; (e) Pay you the Disposition Fee (see Section 4)); (f) Pay you the Excess Mileage Fees, if any, (see Section 4); and (g) Pay you the Excess Wear and Use Charge, if any (see Section 4). You will provide me with a statement of the fees referenced in Section 4 and I will pay you those fees within 30 days after I deliveryt ehVehicle to you. By returning the Vehicle under Return (Sale) Option, I appoint you my attorney-in-fact under the provisions in Section 17. You will release me of my obligation to pay the Balloon Payment when I meet all of these requirements."

Looks like a clean break like a lease return to me.

1968BMW2800 05-08-2017 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adrian's bmw (Post 10149158)
From the OC contract:

"Section 12. Balloon Payment Options

C. Return (Sale) Option: (b) Pay you any amounts owed under the Contract on the due date of the Balloon Payment except the Balloon Payment; of my obligation to pay the Balloon Payment when I meet all of these requirements."

Looks like a clean break like a lease return to me.

So, if the contract language is clear that the balloon covers the entire balance due for the car (not counting return fee and any excess wear and tear), then the bit about "you will owe the difference between the predetermined price of the BMW and the balloon payment amount" would be moot. Predetermined seems to be the key here.

adrian's bmw 05-08-2017 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1968BMW2800 (Post 10149205)
So, if the contract language is clear that the balloon covers the entire balance due for the car (not counting return fee and any excess wear and tear), then the bit about "you will owe the difference between the predetermined price of the BMW and the balloon payment amount" would be moot. Predetermined seems to be the key here.

Agreed. We are taking OC's in for i3's, for example, and the clients are having clean walk away breaks with no repercussions between the value of the car and balloon.

1968BMW2800 05-08-2017 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adrian's bmw (Post 10149219)
Agreed. We are taking OC's in for i3's, for example, and the clients are having clean walk away breaks with no repercussions between the value of the car and balloon.

Thanks for the info, as always.

In the recesses of my aging brain I remember something about special aspects to the i3 OC deals that may or may not have applied to other models. Not sure, but something was different, I think.

The object lesson here is the same as for ANY sales contract -- know everything you're agreeing to before signing. Doesn't matter what anybody 'says,' it's what's in the contract that counts.

adrian's bmw 05-08-2017 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1968BMW2800 (Post 10149232)
Thanks for the info, as always.

In the recesses of my aging brain I remember something about special aspects to the i3 OC deals that may or may not have applied to other models. Not sure, but something was different, I think.

The object lesson here is the same as for ANY sales contract -- know everything you're agreeing to before signing. Doesn't matter what anybody 'says,' it's what's in the contract that counts.

You're probably thinking about the "Flex" option for the i3 back then of $7,500. Now that amount IS due.


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:27 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
© 2001- VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.