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Old 06-16-2013, 12:18 PM
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the e39 is probably very close to the e9x's, and the f's look even larger. it seems to me that the 5 is getting closer to the previous 7 as well. which is why the 1 series came out, to reach back to the roots of the driver experience, et all, yadda yadda yadda.
Agreed. The f3x is almost as big if not as big as the previous gen 5, and the current gen 5 is getting close to the previous 7...it's getting too much. I presume they are trying to make the 3 series more appealing to soccer moms - who need the storage space for their kids

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i looked at the 1, as i was intrigued by this, and found that no local dealer was interested in me ordering a base model with nothing in it but a steering wheel and 3 pedals. (well, almost as spartan as that...) they all had 1's that were up to the headliner in tech and gadgets.
I am not a fan of the 1. It feels you are getting too little for too much, but everyone has their own desires.

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i like nice stuff, but when a car is smarter than i am, or i need to read the owners manual (psshhhh, yeah, who does *that*??) in order to figure out how to put the car in drive, or what ever, i just get all confused.
As a Gen x'er I am the wrong person to argue at with "less tech is better", because I grew up with tech and love it. One of my good friends, who is in his early 50's and in the tech industry, goes to conventions and looks at products and says "damn, that's furby right there". Look at things like the PS3 and Xbox...they are not targeted towards 15 year olds, they are targeted towards to people in their 30's. We have the desire to play and the money to back it up. I was at a house party last night, and my cousins husband and I were playing xbox, with the 15 year kid of one of the guests. So as far as I am concerned, bring on the toys. My only beef with BMW is they add optional items that are standard in cheaper cars. Luxury or not, I shouldn't feel like the Cruz gets better value than the BMW. I should get everything that is in the Cruz and then some. Luxury does not mean you pay more for the same...luxury means you pay more FOR more.

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it seems to me that back in the day, bmw stood for something quality. something that you could drive the piss out of and feel safe doing so, knowing that your kid would one day be driving it to school/college or whatever.
Every new gen gets bitchin from the previous gen. When the e9x gen came out the e4x gen bitched, and before that your gen bitched. I know some of the reason they make their changes, and some I hate and some love. For example, they got rid of the tight suspension and made it into an optional package...well wtf! Now I gotta pay for what was previously "standard"...how about make it a free option (not unheard of, remember the automatic credit...so you paid the same if you got auto or manual). I got x-drive and m-sport...I want the m-sport suspension, better get DHP. One of those things they took a feature and decided to upcharge. Their probable reasoning? Cause soccer mom bitched about the tight steering.

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nowadays we've got hyundais running with similarly high tech stuff and gadgets, and cadillac is hot on the heels of the high(er) end sporty segment with the ats and cts.
And here is the rub. Buy a hyundai sonata, fully loaded, and you get more then what is in the BMW at a cheaper price.

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i just think that the line of distinction that separated bmw from the others back with the platforms like the e21, e30, e28, e32, and e36, from the rest of the automotive offerings was greater than what it is today.
It's a lot smaller of a change. Even e9x had more distinction then it's competition. f3x 328 vs 335 is not as big of a difference as the e9x 328 vs 335.

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sure, i'd love to get a new bmw, but apparently of late there are no things like dipstick tubes for the oil (it was bad enough for the guys that drove an auto e36...). but how is a 'car guy' going to be able to check his own oil anymore?? (i know,...who does *that* anymore...) but how are you supposed to know how low you are, if, in fact, one does manage to get a low oil indicator light on the display?? i think it just puts another disconnect between the driver and the car.
I would love the dipstick, but if that is your biggest hangup get a 2012 e9x. You will be happy, unless you old timers hate the tech that much

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granted, if one could afford to purchase a new bmw, service would be the last thing on their minds, but what about the next generation of owners?? when the car has 1000 miles over factory warranty, and the only ones that are willing to buy are the poor bums that can't look past the shiny and realize the maintenance costs associated with an ever harder and harder to diy marque.
Those are decisions that people should make before spending their cash. If they make ill-informed decisions that is their fault. In this day and age there is no reason you should be surprised at the type of repair bill costs to expect with an out of warranty BMW.

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dunno. just thought i'd open a topic up in ot....thoughts??
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Great topic, though I would certainly call it ON topic
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