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Old 07-08-2019, 12:59 PM
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New BMW owner - X3 general questions

Hi,

New to BMW, due to growing family wife and I just traded in our cars and I decided to get an X3 and am loving it so far. I've had a dealer look it over and give it the general thumbs up and have ordered new air filters (engine/cabin) as I usually replace those immediately after buying a car.

I asked the dealership for a maintenance schedule and the dealer said almost all maintenance work on the car is "as needed" and there is no schedule but I was wondering if you guys had any general tips or suggestions of things I should do now or soon to get the best service and life from the car.

2013 X3 - 55,000 miles.

I've read that the transmission fluid should be changed out at some point because BMW's lifetime transmission fluid is BS. When should I do that?

I managed to pull my FSC code and update to the 2019 maps, anything else worth updating?
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Old 07-08-2019, 10:47 PM
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Old 07-09-2019, 06:14 PM
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Old 07-09-2019, 10:15 PM
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OK, you should be aware of a problem with 2013 28i's and timing chains. The guides have been known to fail, and to destroy engines. BMW has extended the US Warranty to 70,000 miles, but I haven't read of similar extensions in other countries. Whether or not the problem is limited in scope or widespread is unclear. It is something which you may want to research.
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Old 07-11-2019, 12:06 PM
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Hi,


I've read that the transmission fluid should be changed out at some point because BMW's lifetime transmission fluid is BS. When should I do that?

I managed to pull my FSC code and update to the 2019 maps, anything else worth updating?
Generally the transmission fluid is changed at 100k now for the ZF 8 speed.
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Old 07-11-2019, 05:35 PM
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OK, you should be aware of a problem with 2013 28i's and timing chains. The guides have been known to fail, and to destroy engines. BMW has extended the US Warranty to 70,000 miles, but I haven't read of similar extensions in other countries. Whether or not the problem is limited in scope or widespread is unclear. It is something which you may want to research.
To the OP and in the continuance of the quoted post, here are a few things to do/consider:
- Take the car to the dealer and give him the key. They can then tell you if your vehicle is covered by the extended warranty on the Timing Chain (TC)
- Open oil filler cap and visually observe the TC (with the engine stopped). Do you see any shiny marks on the top part of TC? (Hopefully not).
- Close oil filler cap and start engine. Have someone rev it up a few times. Is there a whining sound that increases with the RPM? (hopefully not).
- Do extensive searches on this forum and Google for something like "N20 TC failure."
- Do NOT use the Automatic Start/Stop (ASS) feature. Have it coded out or simply turn it off each time you drive the car.
- Consider changing the TC tensioner. BMW has used three different TC tensioners on the N20 engines. Having the latest couldn't hurt, could it? There is a DIY somewhere on this forum (I wrote it).
- Finally. if you see shiny marks or hear the whine, document it with video and plead your concern to the dealer. Even if they disallow it, it may come in handy later on if that proved to be wrong.

These engines have the valves going into the cylinder in a space sometimes occupied by the piston. Timing is critical, and if the TC fails the engine needs to be replaced.
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Old 07-12-2019, 05:37 AM
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Here is the list of cars that have the 7/70 timing chain extension


https://bmwtechnician.com/2019/01/31...ain-7-70-list/
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Old 07-12-2019, 08:00 AM
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To the OP and in the continuance of the quoted post, here are a few things to do/consider:
- Take the car to the dealer and give him the key. They can then tell you if your vehicle is covered by the extended warranty on the Timing Chain (TC)
- Open oil filler cap and visually observe the TC (with the engine stopped). Do you see any shiny marks on the top part of TC? (Hopefully not).
- Close oil filler cap and start engine. Have someone rev it up a few times. Is there a whining sound that increases with the RPM? (hopefully not).
- Do extensive searches on this forum and Google for something like "N20 TC failure."
- Do NOT use the Automatic Start/Stop (ASS) feature. Have it coded out or simply turn it off each time you drive the car.
- Consider changing the TC tensioner. BMW has used three different TC tensioners on the N20 engines. Having the latest couldn't hurt, could it? There is a DIY somewhere on this forum (I wrote it).
- Finally. if you see shiny marks or hear the whine, document it with video and plead your concern to the dealer. Even if they disallow it, it may come in handy later on if that proved to be wrong.

These engines have the valves going into the cylinder in a space sometimes occupied by the piston. Timing is critical, and if the TC fails the engine needs to be replaced.
Does this issue carry over to the N55 as well? Also if you know, if not, why not?
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Old 07-12-2019, 10:34 AM
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Does this issue carry over to the N55 as well? Also if you know, if not, why not?
No.

It is a N20/N26 problem.
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Old 07-15-2019, 05:37 AM
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Transmission fluid interval

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Generally the transmission fluid is changed at 100k now for the ZF 8 speed.
I did transmission and transfer case change at 80,000 miles (2012 x35); based on recommendation else in this forum.
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Old 07-24-2019, 10:01 AM
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May I ask how you pulled your FSC code to update the maps to 2019? My base map is still 2016, but my regional map of Texas is 2019-2. I would like to update the entire base map if possible.

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Hi,

New to BMW, due to growing family wife and I just traded in our cars and I decided to get an X3 and am loving it so far. I've had a dealer look it over and give it the general thumbs up and have ordered new air filters (engine/cabin) as I usually replace those immediately after buying a car.

I asked the dealership for a maintenance schedule and the dealer said almost all maintenance work on the car is "as needed" and there is no schedule but I was wondering if you guys had any general tips or suggestions of things I should do now or soon to get the best service and life from the car.

2013 X3 - 55,000 miles.

I've read that the transmission fluid should be changed out at some point because BMW's lifetime transmission fluid is BS. When should I do that?

I managed to pull my FSC code and update to the 2019 maps, anything else worth updating?
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Old 07-25-2019, 07:44 AM
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Here is the list of cars that have the 7/70 timing chain extension

https://bmwtechnician.com/2019/01/31...ain-7-70-list/
How do I determine my car's build date? Is there a serial number decoder available on-line?
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:15 AM
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How do I determine my car's build date? Is there a serial number decoder available on-line?
Check the VIN plate on your drivers front door frame.

and online for a complete list of all options on your vehicle

https://decoder.bvzine.com/
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Old 07-25-2019, 12:27 PM
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Thanks, scostuart! My build date came back as 2013-03-07. IIRC the change-over was in February, whether this is March 7 or July 3 I think I'm OK.
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:21 PM
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The build date as reported by bzvine is in Year-Month-Day format.
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Old 07-28-2019, 11:41 PM
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Owners manuals

FYI : With a VIN number, go here to see if an owners manual is avail.

https://www.bmwusa.com/owners-manuals.html
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:44 AM
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There are a couple of vendors on this site that sell map updates utilizing USB flash drives. They are reputable and cost much less than the dealer. FYI, BMW used two different companies on the NEXT and PREMIUM navigation systems. One is very current in its updates. The other, not so much. The older system, which I believe is the premium, uses TomTom maps which do not reflect updates. I'm speaking from personal experience, and a comparison between the same location with the same dated update on the two different BMW systems.
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