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Old 07-12-2019, 03:42 PM
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2016 535i Tires Wearing Out Fast

Tires are wearing out fast for my 2016 535i M Sport, any suggestions, thanks in advance for your help.
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What kind of tires are we talking about? HP Summers maybe? What brand? How many miles?
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I was told by Tire shop guy that all BMW and MBZ tires tend to wear inner side of tire more due to turn radius. I was advised to rotate tire every 3000 miles.
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I was told by Tire shop guy that all BMW and MBZ tires tend to wear inner side of tire more due to turn radius. I was advised to rotate tire every 3000 miles.
BMW's (and maybe M-B's) have a lot of negative rear camber (tires tilted in at the top). That causes the rear tires to wear "conically." My F10 spec's are 1.8 degrees of negative camber in the back.

The trick with tire rotation is to have four or eight rotation stints over the life of the tires, so that the tires are in each position once or twice. Every 3000 miles would put 36k mile tires in each position three times. 4500 mile rotation stints would put the tires in each position twice, and save four rotations at a cost of about $25/each. Remember, that tire guy is making $25 for fifteen minutes work.
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Tires are wearing out fast for my 2016 535i M Sport, any suggestions, thanks in advance for your help.
Since you live in the Sunbelt, you probably don't have AWD ("xDrive" in BMW lingo). Since you have an M Sport Package and probably not AWD, you likely have staggered tires (back tires wider than the front ones). So, you can't rotate your tires, except side-to-side on the same axle. For RWD's, the back tires will wear about twice as fast as the front ones.

High-performance tires don't last as long as "touring" (low-performance) tires. Run-flat tires don't last as long as similar performance non-run-flat tires.

Combining all the factors above together, consider yourself lucky to get 25k miles out of the back tires, and maybe 50k miles out of the front tires.

If you have a square set-up (front and back tires the same size), you'd benefit from tire rotation, getting all four tires to wear evenly and spreading out that rear negative camber induced wear among all four tires instead of just two tires. With a square set-up and high-performance tires, don't plan on more than 35k to 40k miles out if a set of tires.

Keep the pressures where they are supposed to be, and watch for edge wear. Edge wear is a sign of misalignment, specifically the toe (direction the tire is pointed).
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Thank you very much. That is quite educational and helpful. Since I have all 4 tires same size, I will change every 3000 miles. Thanks again.
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Tire Wear - what’s normal ?

To know what abnormal is one first has to know what normal is...

I also run square setup, 245 45 18

First near 20,000 KM's with Run Flats, the usual Conti Contact 3...

Little feedback, steering kickback in hard corners, generally uncomfortable especially with anything higher than min recommended tire pressures...

Normal wear is front outside (especially XDrives) and rear middle (more on RWD). This is with the recommended pressures around 34 PSI front and 38 PSI rear...

When I moved to real tires I can run 39 PSI front and 45 PSI rear with even better comfort, feedback and fuel economy with ~30% less tire cost, much less potential of Rim damage, etc...

Wear is about the same, a little less in front actually depending on driving style...

Suspension is fully adjustable rear on F10's but front Camber is not unless you install Meryle Top adjustable wishbones which really is not necessary unless lowered to the ground - Hey ese

On lowered Cars and especially with 19" or 20" wheels the wear rear moves more inside to the point of very quick cord separation or peek thru near the inner sidewall to tread area if tire pressures under 40 PSI rear. Each tire brand is a little different and web search will find you plenty of Pics as evidence.

As far as general guidance expect about 30,000 miles out of a non run flat square setup if you rotate every season and about 25,000 out of runflats, normal driving and pressures always right.
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Thanks to everyone for your very helpful comments.

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I am very impressed in how you guessed correctly what tire setup I have just based on where I live. Yes, staggered and not AWD. So my rear tires are wearing out faster and they are wearing out from center. Your photo suggests my tires are overinflated, I'll try to let some air out I guess and see how it goes. Since they are staggered, would I still need to switch left and right tire every 3000 to 5000 miles?
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Thanks to everyone for your very helpful comments.

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I am very impressed in how you guessed correctly what tire setup I have just based on where I live. Yes, staggered and not AWD. So my rear tires are wearing out faster and they are wearing out from center. Your photo suggests my tires are overinflated, I'll try to let some air out I guess and see how it goes. Since they are staggered, would I still need to switch left and right tire every 3000 to 5000 miles?
I factory ordered my F10 535i. So, I pondered the F10 ordering guides for quite a while. I also had a lot of work in SE Texas.

The wider the tire, the more susceptible they are to excessive center wear from over-inflation.

There's limited benefit from switching tires left to right. It will even out the wear if there is uneven wear due to minor misalignment or driving conditions (e.g. taking left turns faster than right turns). It will also eliminate feathering. Feathering is more of problem with all-season tires than with performance tires.

With a staggered set-up, you're pretty much doomed to buying rear tires more often than front tires. My RWD's rear tires wear about twice as fast as the front ones. Frau Putzer's xDrive's (AWD's) rear tires only wear about 50% faster than the front tires.

You can precisely dial in the correct pressures for even tire wear using a digital tread depth gauge that measures depth to 1/1000th inch (about $15 on the Interwebs). You also need to precisely maintain the same pressures over several thousand miles, to establish a correlation between those pressures (front and rear) and (measurable) tread wear profiles.

Race teams determine the correct pressures in their tires by measuring the temperature profiles across each tire right after the car pulls into the pits. Measuring tread depths in each circumferential channel to determine the optimal pressure for even wear is sort of a ultra-slow-motion version of that process.

I've made an Excel spreadsheet that takes tread depths and calculates wear in each channel on each tire. It then takes the rotation pattern and shuffles the tread depth data in preparation for the next set of tread depth measurements and wear calculations. For each new set of data, you copy the block of cells below the previous block of cells. There's a smaller block of cells for entering the initial tread depths on a new or newly installed set of tires. Yellow cells are input; green cells are calculations. If anybody wants a copy of the spreadsheet, PM me giving me an e-mail address that accepts Excel files as attachments.
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Lieber Autoputzer,

We now have a 2nd Mad Scientist on this Forum ! Yes you are voted in along with Doug

Amazing what one can do with an Excel Spreadsheet. Well done.
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Old 07-18-2019, 06:29 AM
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With my 540/6, I need to swap left and right occasionally due to outside wear on the left. I'm on the highway often and constantly going right off exit ramps...I like to save my brakes....lol
My 550xi has even tire wear...not even sure I'll rotate them. Driving styles dictate wear.
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Lieber Autoputzer,

We now have a 2nd Mad Scientist on this Forum ! Yes you are voted in along with Doug

Amazing what one can do with an Excel Spreadsheet. Well done.
Well, thanks.

Every problem is a nail, and Excel is my hammer. I once spent almost two years and $200k to $300k building a spreadsheet at work.
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