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Old 04-05-2020, 08:54 AM
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So i have been having an issue with slight bump when downshifting from what i believe is 2-1 and confirmed with local indy he can feel the bump as well.

He said he can do an entire vehicle software update via his Autologic Assist Scanner.

From what i can see it looks like there is 4 options in the menu on the autologic to do this and i just want to make sure we are doing the correct one as i want to update the DME and the EGS for sure as thats the engine and transmission correct ?

But we figure might as well update the entire vehicle as its 12 years old and in the 6 years i have owned it has never seen a software update


So if anyone is familiar with the Autologic scanner please chime in

1st click on
Bmw
3 Series
E90
CIP

Here is the 4 options it gives after that

1. Update All Control Units
2. Program A Selection Of Control Units
3. Program or code individual Code Units
4. Code All Control Units

I am assuming i want option 1 but i am not sure and want to make sure as my indy in my small town doesnt really do software updates very much so just hoping for a little help !

But he said he can do them and his scanner will allow it !


BTW vehicle is 2008 BMW 328xi with 87k miles
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Old 04-05-2020, 09:11 AM
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Better to do it one unit at a time and be sure you put a large regulated
power supply on it .(Because of the voltage drops during programming
it will brick the car)(50 amp regulated supply when doing the whole
car this is what BMW does also)
Assuming that this is not a process without risks is a mistake.
If you do it one unit at a time generally it will be the unit that you where
updating that will brick the car. (So at least you know which one your
are dealing with)
FRM units are known to go bad under programming.
Updates seldom produce any noticeable difference.
It's more likely something mechanical software doesn't break.

Details of how to do this are more fully explained on the coding sub forums
but they are usually done with BMW software.

Is this a manual or automatic ?
More likely a transmission wear issue.
Ever change the fluid?
Ever change transfer case fluid?
Sounds like you are taking a shotgun approach, don't.

https://www.nathansbmwworkshop.com/b...or-dean-videos

https://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=368

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Old 04-05-2020, 09:36 AM
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Better to do it one unit at a time and be sure you put a large regulated
power supply on it .(Because of the voltage drops during programming
it will brick the car)
Assuming that this is not a process without risks is a mistake.
If you do it one unit at a time generally it will be the unit that you where
updating that will brick the car. (So at least you know which one your
are dealing with)
FRM units are known to go bad under programming.
Updates seldom produce any noticeable difference.
It's more likely something mechanical software doesn't break.

Details of how to do this are more fully explained on the coding sub forums
but they are usually done with BMW software.

Is this a manual or automatic ?
More likely a transmission wear issue.
Ever change the fluid?
Ever change transfer case fluid?
Sounds like you are taking a shotgun approach, don't.
1. It is an Automatic transmission
2. Yes this same indy shop changed the transmission fluid
3. Yes they also changed the Transfer Case Fluid

They have looked over the entire vehicle in the 7 or 8 days they have have had it and cant see any issues with any mechanical parts and no fault codes anywhere .


If it is a transmission wear issue lets say then what should they be looking for and how to look for it ?


The problem is it random kicks when downshifting from 2-1 and when coming to a stop it kicks as well slightly (Doesnt stop softly persay)

Also randomly when taking a sharp right turn only not on left turns and accelerating it feels like it binds up and kicks as well.

And randomly when accelerating up a hill and say slow down to 20mph then speed back up to say 30mph it kicks or jolts (however you want to put it)

Here is a list of everything thats been replaced in the last 3 months !

1. Rear brakes and rotors (also new brake wear sensor)
2. Front brakes and rotors (also new brake wear sensor)
3. New Spark Plugs (all 6 )
4. New Coil Packs ( All 6)
5. New Front Driveshaft
6. New Rear Driveshaft
7. All New Guibos
8. New Center Support (Entire thing)
9. New MAF
10.New Oil Pressure Sensor
11. New Front and rear struts with all new hardware from top to bottom including all new strut mounts and everything else)
12. New Sway bar end links both front and rear and new sway bar bushings front and rear
13. Oil and filter change
14. Transfer case oil change


I must say i have had multiple local indy mechanics look at it and nobody has been able to fix the issue as you can see above people have made recommendations on what will fix it and i have done the repairs as you can see and problem still is there,

I also had bmw dealership look at it when i was in for a recall on blower motor and they said they could barely feel it and that its normal from the vehicle being 12 years old as parts wear !

The indy shop its currently at right now he mechanic went for a drive with me the other day and was able to feel it when going uphill (we couldnt duplicate it going on a sharp right turn as its so random) and he says it feels like the transmission is just shifting and maybe its in between gears when i hit the accelerator and making it kick a little

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Old 04-05-2020, 09:50 AM
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Did they try resetting the adaptions and running the calibration procedure
on the transmission and transfer case respectively . I would only run
an update on the transmission if there is one.
Is it a BMW Indy shop?



2 to 1 clunk is mentioned in the above video.

Not sure if this is the right transmission the 06 was different than after.
There are many more video's like this on Ytube.

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Old 04-05-2020, 09:59 AM
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Did they try resetting the adaptions and running the calibration procedure
on the transmission and transfer case respectively . I would only run
an update on the transmission if there is one.
Is it a BMW Indy shop?
He said he reset the adaptations on the transmission yes

I dont know about running the calibration procedure on the transmission or transfer case ! is that all done with the software in the Autologic scanner ? if so i can call him in the morning and ask him to do all those if he hasnt allready,

He showed me the updates that showed were available and there was 12 available updates for my vin # (There actually wasnt one for the transmission he said ) But there was one for the engine and fuel pump and transfer case. (sorry i dont remember the other ones available)

He said update for all 12 was gonna be 5hrs and 4 minutes according to his scanner)2.5 hours labor to do all the updates.

Yes it is a BMW indy shop here is a link to the shop (https://www.globalcarcare.net/)

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Old 04-05-2020, 10:10 AM
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See the last posting I updated it.
So if there was no update for the transmission and its
a transmission problem pretty much sounds like update won't
do it any good.

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Old 04-05-2020, 10:31 AM
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See the last posting I updated it.
So if there was no update for the transmission and its
a transmission problem pretty much sounds like update won't
do it any good.

So mine in a gmGA6L45R transmission which you cant just replace the solenoids like you can on the ZF transmissions


He said it doesnt seem like a transmission problem as it shifs just fine 99% of the time (ok maybe made up number on the 99% but you get the point)


So if it were your car and you had this problem and allready replaced all the above components and didnnt solve the issue (you wouldnt take the chance and update the engine module and the transfer case module) ?

What would your next course of action be ?
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Old 04-05-2020, 12:03 PM
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Did they try resetting the adaptions and running the calibration procedure
on the transmission and transfer case respectively . I would only run
an update on the transmission if there is one.
Is it a BMW Indy shop?



2 to 1 clunk is mentioned in the above video.

Not sure if this is the right transmission the 06 was different than after.
There are many more video's like this on Ytube.

Would you suggest i order this set and have mechanic install this to see if takes care of the issue before i do software updates ?

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...581598#fitment
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Old 04-05-2020, 12:06 PM
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I hate automatics never bought one for myself so
I am no automatic expert.
If you trust your mechanic an he has run out of options
don't know what to say.

This may be extra stress for you in this stressing time so
don't pile it on.

You might want to do further research if you have a lot of down time
just don't jump into anything blindly and dig a deeper hole.
It's good that you found there was no software update for the
transmission.

You might try talking to the bmw doctor at that link I put up..

https://www.nathansbmwworkshop.com/b...or-dean-videos

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Old 04-05-2020, 12:11 PM
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I hate automatics never bought one for myself so
I am no automatic expert.

This may be extra stress for you in this stressing time so
don't pile it on.

You might want to do further research if you have a lot of down time
just don't jump into anything blindly and dig a deeper hole.
It's good that you found there was no software update for the
transmission.

You might try talking to the bmw doctor at that link I put up..

https://www.nathansbmwworkshop.com/b...or-dean-videos
i really appreciate all that alot,

Now doing a little research it sounds like this might be my problem and the fix ,

What do you think ? read this real quick please
https://www.sonnax.com/parts/1705-co...ator-valve-kit

BTW i just sent Nathan A quick email as well, thanks so much as i have been watching his videos for a while now

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Old 04-05-2020, 01:54 PM
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Your trans normally runs 2-5. When coming to a stop, I imagine you mean the 3=2 downshift.

How do things shift in manual mode?
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Old 04-05-2020, 02:02 PM
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Your trans normally runs 2-5. When coming to a stop, I imagine you mean the 3=2 downshift.

How do things shift in manual mode?
Ok so it doesnt just happen when coming to a stop it happens in the following situations and hope this will help

1. Randomly when just driving it kicks or jolts when downshifting
2. Kicks or jolts when coming to a complete stop
3. Randomly kicks or jolts when driving say 20mph uphill then when getting towards top of hill i accelerate it does it
4. Randomly kicks or jolts when taking sharp right turn and accelerating


All of the above jerks/jolts pretty much feel the same !

I will say when i am driving and let off the gas it almost slows down by itself and rpm jump up for a second then come back down and if i put the vehicle into Nuetral then it wont do this or kick/jolt if that makes sense or helps at all



And as you can see other then coming to a complete stop the other ones are random but i will say 90% of the time when the kick/jolt happens its between 1500-2200 or so RPM and doesnt typically happen above like 35mph usually


And sorry about your question in regards to shifting in manual mode, Do you mean in S mode or actually shifting the vehicle myself ? if you mean S mode then yes it does it if you mean shifting the vehicle myself i have actually never tried that in my car !

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Old 04-05-2020, 04:02 PM
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So mine in a gmGA6L45R transmission which you cant just replace the solenoids like you can on the ZF transmissions


He said it doesnt seem like a transmission problem as it shifs just fine 99% of the time (ok maybe made up number on the 99% but you get the point)


So if it were your car and you had this problem and allready replaced all the above components and didnnt solve the issue (you wouldnt take the chance and update the engine module and the transfer case module) ?

What would your next course of action be ?
Are you 100% sure you have the GM trans? A few 328i got ZF and your issue is classic ZF solenoid issue. Does it bump when shifting from 2 - 1 manually while stopped? Is it worse when the transmission is hot/been driven for 20 minutes?
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Old 04-05-2020, 04:48 PM
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Are you 100% sure you have the GM trans? A few 328i got ZF and your issue is classic ZF solenoid issue. Does it bump when shifting from 2 - 1 manually while stopped? Is it worse when the transmission is hot/been driven for 20 minutes?
I have a 328xi and the bmw dealership told me i have the GM transmission ( i have never looked myself)


I have never tried shifting from 2-1 manually while stopped ( can you explain how i do this ? )


It actually seems worse when its cold and hasnt been driven very much. (but i will admit i rarely drive it more then 20 or 30 minutes at a time


Is it possible this is a torque converter or transfer case issue ? or possibly a front axle ? maybe ball joints ?
i am at a total loss here and spending all this money fixing what someone thinks is the issue
I am willing to pay to get this issue fixed whatever it is

And can we conclude that i should NOT get the entire vehicle updated tomorrow morning ?

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Old 04-05-2020, 07:37 PM
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Seeing that they are using Autologic, only update the transmission (EGS) and then see how it drives.

Do not update the complete car, deal with the gearbox issue first.

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Seeing that they are using Autologic, only update the transmission (EGS) and then see how it drives.

Do not update the complete car, deal with the gearbox issue first.

Mark.
Done!

I just sent an email to my SA and told him to please have them update the EGS even though the other day he said there wasnt an update for the transmission so i will see if they call me tomorrow and say one way or the other if they were able to update the EGS or not

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Old 04-06-2020, 07:42 AM
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First, do you have an owner's manual, as manual shifting is in the manual.

Otherwise go to Sport mode, and then push forward to downshift, and pull backward to upshift. The gear your in will show up on instrument cluster. When in manual mode, the trans will downshift automatically when you slow down, but will not upshift, which you must do yourself.
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This problem is very common.

I'm betting its the bridge seal.

By the way, that bridge seal can be order in aluminum (so its a lot stronger).
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Do it only to the single unit the FRM has a chance of failure in E90 generation when programming or even clearing faults with the old ISTA you can program a single control unit but with the new ISTA the dealership network uses on new cars it will program the whole car so if you had a tune in it it will be erased and replaced with updated one software
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This problem is very common.

I'm betting its the bridge seal.

By the way, that bridge seal can be order in aluminum (so its a lot stronger).

If I ask my mechanic to replace this is there anything else i should ask him to do as well while in there ?

And any idea on how long it take to tackle this job ?
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Do it only to the single unit the FRM has a chance of failure in E90 generation when programming or even clearing faults with the old ISTA you can program a single control unit but with the new ISTA the dealership network uses on new cars it will program the whole car so if you had a tune in it it will be erased and replaced with updated one software

So I got my car back and mechanic updated the following 3 modules . (He said there wasnt a new update for my EGS) and he didnt update the entire vehicle as he said it could brick a module and didnt want to take that chance . I'm glad he cared enough

1. Digital Motor (DME)
2. Fuel Pump ( EKP)
3. Transfer Case (VTG)

I drove it about 20 minutes after getting it back and I did feel the kick/jolt once .


So the problem is not fixed yet.
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Old 04-08-2020, 02:38 AM
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I had more or less same issue 10 years ago in my 320i - 2008 and it ends up to be the air filter, check it
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Old 04-08-2020, 05:53 AM
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If I ask my mechanic to replace this is there anything else i should ask him to do as well while in there ?

And any idea on how long it take to tackle this job ?

Garry Ferraro (on Youtube) has torn apart countless ZF transmissions.

He always talks about the bump / jolt from 2cd gear to 1st gear.

Generally, Gary sees the problem most of the time is a worn or cracked bridge seal and worn sleeve seals. He'll also replace the mechatronic sleeve at the same time.

Many have said, if your vehicle has 80,000+ miles on it and the above rubber components have not been replaced in the transmission, your due.
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Garry Ferraro (on Youtube) has torn apart countless ZF transmissions.

He always talks about the bump / jolt from 2cd gear to 1st gear.

Generally, Gary sees the problem most of the time is a worn or cracked bridge seal and worn sleeve seals. He'll also replace the mechatronic sleeve at the same time.

Many have said, if your vehicle has 80,000+ miles on it and the above rubber components have not been replaced in the transmission, your due.
Ok does it matter that mine is the GM transmission and not the ZF ?

also why when I am almost stopped and take a sharp right turn onto a street and accelerate it clunks hard as well ? Would be be same issue ?
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