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Another reason to think about an end-of-the-production-run F15 diesel is that typically the diesel versions of a new BMW platform have delayed introduction. I bought my first F10 right as the F15's were coming out. If an F15 diesel has been available, I would have considered one, the plan being to have driven it four years (depreciated down to about 40% of MSRP), and then handed it over to Frau Putzer. A four year old car driven by me is in better shape than a brand new car on a dealer's lot... because my cars are never touched by the dealer's wash monkeys.
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I've never owned a diesel. So, I'm going on what I read on the Interwebs. Most BMW diesels owners' headaches seem to be associated with the emission systems. One of the big problems is clogged diesel particulate filters (DPF's). But, those problems seem to be associated with diesels that spend their lives putting around at low speed and in short trips. That's how Frau Putzer uses a car. We live literally 50 miles from the nearest interstate. So, a diesel wouldn't make much sense for us. She's getting an X3 because of the smaller size and lower cost. But, it sounds like your DPF gets nice and hot for a long time on a regular basis.

I think the current X5 is awesome. The current X5 might be the last BMW with German, properly hard seat cushions. I think this is the last year for the F15. They're giving it a short production cycle and no LCI. Everybody knows this. So, they're giving huge discounts now. My only bitch about an X5 is that you can't get it with non-RFT's. They do offer an optional spare tire, though. It sounds like unloading that Jeep, keeping the E70, and grabbing a bargain on an F15 would be a plan.


DPF is not that big deal as long as thermostat is OK and you use good low-SAPS oil.


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Hey FredoinSF! I am enjoying your posts, please keep them up!

Question: I noted you have changed transfer case fluid twice already. At what mileage/age should the first TC fluid change occur?

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Interesting comments. True about delayed availability of diesel. The new 5er now has a diesel version available, about a year after gassers launched. I was surprised BMW even made that car available in the US.

Iíll probably not go for a SUV at replacement time, so F15 will never happen for me. Not sure Iíll go for another diesel either. The seemingly high failure of diesel components and the apparent connection to driving profiles makes it such that diesel is not for everyone. Iím not sure how much longer we will keep the multiple residences 245 miles apart nonsense but I think it has contributed to relatively few problems with this car. If that living arrangement ends then the X5d becomes overkill.

Ironically the Reno dealer contacted me earlier this week because the Cayenne diesels that had a stop sale order are now for sale. Theyíre 2016 models with no miles and theyíre taking $20k off the msrp. One of them has a nice build and I thought about it for a bit, but nah... If they took off another 10 then maybe... i might pop in when Iím back in Reno next week. Hoping itís sold.


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DPF is not that big deal as long as thermostat is OK and you use good low-SAPS oil.


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I have to admit I know more about motor oil since youíve joined the forum. I use the Mobil 1 ESP on the X5 (a case of 12 arrived this week) and the Castrol for the gassers. Thanks for sharing that info.


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Question: I noted you have changed transfer case fluid twice already. At what mileage/age should the first TC fluid change occur?



Thanks in advance!


Thanks. I've owned BMWs long enough to remember the days when maintenance was not packaged into the cost of a new car and owners paid for it. Back then you could not change fluids often enough motor oil was 5k miles and differential was 15k IIRC, and those components would last 300k miles.
I still apply a bit of an old school maintenance approach to all my cars, albeit not to that extreme. I change motor oil at 6.5k miles interval, diffs and TC at 35k which coincides with fuel filter. I did first trans and filter change at 70k on this car (my first BMW with only 2 pedals) and my independent recommends lining up all services and just changing fluid (no filter) at 35k interval from this point forward; I'm on board.

I felt a bit vindicated in that approach when I replaced the VCG and VANOS seal on my 2002 330ci last spring. All DYIs on YouTube showed internals that look like this (or worse) with valve cover removed:
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I'm sticking to my oil change regimen.


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What's in store for next year? New winter tires for sure, likely a battery as well, and then mechanically who knows? I feel like I am entering the past due zone for DEF tank and rear suspension airbags. Hoping for the best (hope is no strategy but it's all I got) but expecting rougher waters.
If your DEF tank does fail in some way, it should be covered by the 10yr/120k mile warranty extension (https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=981054). I'd be keeping an eye on your harmonic balancer. Lots of us 335d guys are seeing them fail in the 80k-100k range. Anyways, I enjoy your posts updates.

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If your DEF tank does fail in some way, it should be covered by the 10yr/120k mile warranty extension (https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=981054). I'd be keeping an eye on your harmonic balancer. Lots of us 335d guys are seeing them fail in the 80k-100k range. Anyways, I enjoy your posts updates.
Thank you. Yes, I know some of the common failure parts have 10/120 coverage. I am concerned about dealers playing games with diagnostics and stringing me along for ancillary part replacement, we shall see how it plays out.
I had seen that video about the harmonic balancer. Would be ugly if that sucker failed in the middle of a trip.
The good news is that it has now passed the 80k mile mark, and it has not fallen apart.
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third year out of warranty update

Update for third anniversary with no warranty and nearly six years owning the car.

Miles wise I am at 93,842 so I put on 14k miles these past 12 months. Would have been more but I took a couple two week trips to France for family, then spent all of November and December over there as well; RIP Dad...

From car trouble perspective it has been totally uneventful. While I was fully expecting this to be the year during which emissions parts and rear suspension airbags would be replaced, everything is holding up.

Maintenance wise it was just a couple of oil changes, air and cabin filters, brake fluid, thatís it. Then there was a new set of tires and a preventive replacement of the battery. A new windshield was installed after we picked up a big stone during the big summer trip.

Cost per mile is up a tiny bit but not related to repair costs per chart below.


Iím still loving this car and went on a few adventures with it.

First was a most epic drive from Reno to SFO during a major snow storm last March. I had to catch a flight for a business trip to Spain, both i80 and 50 were closed so I went north; it was gorgeous drive but a bit eerie. I am continually amazed at how well this car handles snow. There have been tons of storms lately so plenty of drives in the snow over the past few weeks as well. Snow pictures:








Before and after snow grit bath:



Then in June some French cousins wanted to travel the western states so we drove down the CA coast from SF to LA, Vegas, Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Death Valley, Yosemite, back to Reno / Tahoe, and finish in Healdsburg for wine tasting. Great trip, cost me a windshield, although there was no deductible so it was free in the end.



Did several trail runs with the dogs and a couple of triathlons so lots of gear hauling including new tri bike. Not loving that bike, came to the conclusion that at my level a road bike is enough and more comfy, so it is for sale if anyone is interested.



Let's see what the next 12 months will bring. Hopefully it will be more adventures than headaches.
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I am glad you enjoyed it. The mileage of 50K miles....is not significant in my opinion yet.

In EU I am seeing E70 diesel used X5s on FIRE SALE because many cities even such car lobby ones like Stuttgart
and Ingolstadt are forbidding diesels from entering the city!... so you can get them extremely cheap even though
they come from the US factory in SC. Lots of people are running away from diesls now in EU. It was the preferred type of engine for a looong time in EU.
Now ...EU is becoming like California...

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I am glad you enjoyed it. The mileage of 50K miles....is not significant in my opinion yet.

In EU I am seeing E70 diesel used X5s on FIRE SALE because many cities even such car lobby ones like Stuttgart
and Ingolstadt are forbidding diesels from entering the city!... so you can get them extremely cheap even though
they come from the US factory in SC. Lots of people are running away from diesls now in EU. It was the preferred type of engine for a looong time in EU.
Now ...EU is becoming like California...


Diesel sale in Europe is actually up compared to last year.


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Really?

https://www.motor1.com/news/270027/d...ing-in-europe/
https://www.reuters.com/article/euro...-idUSL8N1WS22L

I live in EU. I wil not mention what a PAIN it is to have a diesel car in EU these days....
In EU diesel fuel used to be CHEAPER than GAS...now...the OPPOSITE this time...
add to this DPF/FAP and dual mass wheel issues...people are doing FIRE sale of those
cars... a lot of them is sold outside EU to countries with poor economies.
Particularly BMW 2.0d versions are being fire fire sold... those cars have timing chain on
the transmission side requiring mechanics to remove engine to replace...as the chains are
as thick as a chain you can find in a bicycle...massive fire sale.
I wish we could get accurate information in those forums... not the first time I read
total nonsense false information.

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Update for third anniversary with no warranty and nearly six years owning the car.

Miles wise I am at 93,842 so I put on 14k miles these past 12 months. Would have been more but I took a couple two week trips to France for family, then spent all of November and December over there as well; RIP Dad...

Let's see what the next 12 months will bring. Hopefully it will be more adventures than headaches.
Love this thread!

Sorry to hear about your father, my condolences ..

I just picked up a '13 35d, and I am loving it so far. Plan on keeping it for the long haul. This is my first diesel and it has left me impressed I must admit. Good MPG and torque feels pretty nice =)

Looking forward to your future updates!
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Really?

https://www.motor1.com/news/270027/d...ing-in-europe/
https://www.reuters.com/article/euro...-idUSL8N1WS22L

I live in EU. I wil not mention what a PAIN it is to have a diesel car in EU these days....
In EU diesel fuel used to be CHEAPER than GAS...now...the OPPOSITE this time...
add to this DPF/FAP and dual mass wheel issues...people are doing FIRE sale of those
cars... a lot of them is sold outside EU to countries with poor economies.
Particularly BMW 2.0d versions are being fire fire sold... those cars have timing chain on
the transmission side requiring mechanics to remove engine to replace...as the chains are
as thick as a chain you can find in a bicycle...massive fire sale.
I wish we could get accurate information in those forums... not the first time I read
total nonsense false information.

https://europe.autonews.com/sales-ma...arket-recovers
Do not forget that overall drop in sales is more indicative of the fact that German economy is on the verge of recession as last quarter had negative GDP.



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Terrific pics! And splendid info on the running costs. Please keep up the good work!
Thanks. The tracking is OCD behavior, but it makes it easy to provide factual data regarding ownership costs, even if it is only a single data point out of thousands.

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Sounds like Mrs ard has good taste. They're really good dogs, if you know how to manage the sight hound quirks... Quiet, don't shed much at all, don't bark, but they can bolt, love to be comfortable, and are total poop machines. Very different from my previous dogs. I refer to those two as my show flunkies. They were show pups and flunked out just shy of a year old so they were discarded as just pets. They are seniors now but active and living the good life.


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Love this thread!

Sorry to hear about your father, my condolences ..

I just picked up a '13 35d, and I am loving it so far. Plan on keeping it for the long haul. This is my first diesel and it has left me impressed I must admit. Good MPG and torque feels pretty nice =)

Looking forward to your future updates!
Thank you, and congrats on the new to you X5d. I started the thread to share life with an X5, the good and the bad. Given all the warranty threads from a couple of years ago and the fact that most threads are about problems, I expected updates to be about mounting repair costs but so far it's been great. I have a similar thread on E46 side for the 330cic garage queen.
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Just read through this thread, some great info and pictures, thank you! I have been contemplating buying a used 35d and came across one with 87k miles, for less than $20k, looks like a pretty good deal to me. Couple of questions...any worry about the turbos going bad and needing replacement? Anything in particular i should try and find out about this car from the dealer? (it's not a BMW dealer so likely they will not have any maintenance info).

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Just read through this thread, some great info and pictures, thank you! I have been contemplating buying a used 35d and came across one with 87k miles, for less than $20k, looks like a pretty good deal to me. Couple of questions...any worry about the turbos going bad and needing replacement? Anything in particular i should try and find out about this car from the dealer? (it's not a BMW dealer so likely they will not have any maintenance info).

Thanks!
Paying your personally trusted and experienced mechanic for an off site Pre-Purchase Inspection is essential. If the dealer bulls-up then heís hiding something.

Turbochargers are among the least of your - or my - worries.

Go to your BMW dealer and see if he will query the repair / recall status of the vehicle by VIN. You may have to demonstrate the status of the vehicle and your interest.
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Just read through this thread, some great info and pictures, thank you! I have been contemplating buying a used 35d and came across one with 87k miles, for less than $20k, looks like a pretty good deal to me. Couple of questions...any worry about the turbos going bad and needing replacement? Anything in particular i should try and find out about this car from the dealer? (it's not a BMW dealer so likely they will not have any maintenance info).

Thanks!
Whatever other veteran posters here say about their diesel X5, my advise is to STAY AWAY from high mileage diesels. They are being sold off for a reason. You will inherit a ton of emission equipment related problems.

I don't understand the fad for diesel X5. Even European love affair with diesels has cooled
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Politically driven. The technical and economic advantages remain despite political pressures.

I'll let N1DAS weigh in.

Perhaps some people should not even have a BMW, but that's not my, or your, call. I believe that I am prepared to deal with my equipment related problems, even to the point of replacing the X5 if push came to shove. I'm 70 and living off of investment interest which is higher than the current auto loan.
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Just read through this thread, some great info and pictures, thank you! I have been contemplating buying a used 35d and came across one with 87k miles, for less than $20k, looks like a pretty good deal to me. Couple of questions...any worry about the turbos going bad and needing replacement? Anything in particular i should try and find out about this car from the dealer? (it's not a BMW dealer so likely they will not have any maintenance info).



Thanks!


Turboís are least of concern. It is emission system.



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Whatever other veteran posters here say about their diesel X5, my advise is to STAY AWAY from high mileage diesels. They are being sold off for a reason. You will inherit a ton of emission equipment related problems.

I don't understand the fad for diesel X5. Even European love affair with diesels has cooled
When do these problems start occurring and what specifically is the issue or parts related?
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