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Old 04-11-2016, 11:04 PM
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WinKFP - Flash Failed [CCC]

I decided to give this a try, and I successfully updated a couple modules

KOMBI
AMP
DME/DDE

Then after seeing how quickly these modules updated I decided to go ahead and update CCC module....

1st attempt it failed - BMW logo stuck

2nd attempt it failed again, but this time it messed up my cluster, gauges wouldn't move, all sorts of lights stayed on etc... - BMW logo stuck

So I went back and tried updating my kombi to try and fix it, which worked, but idrive is still stuck on the bmw logo

my phone still connects to the bluetooth, but i dont hear any audio from the radio etc... I tried the hard boot 3 finger procedure, no dice with that.... only thing left im awaiting to check the car in the morning after its been in sleep mode....

here's what the error keeps giving me which i dont understand the errors at all or what they mean:



please help.....

SP-Daten: v57
WinKFP: 5.3.1
Win XP SP3
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I have updated tons of different ECU's but a few google searches had me scared to ever mess with the CCC system. Did you update the CCC system in the proper sequence? Was the car on a beefy battery charger or power supply?

If you google you can find the proper sequence. Were you using ICOM or a USB/CANBUS cable? Numerous forum posts warn the over USB it takes hours and a bricked CCC is very likely.
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I have updated tons of different ECU's but a few google searches had me scared to ever mess with the CCC system. Did you update the CCC system in the proper sequence? Was the car on a beefy battery charger or power supply?

If you google you can find the proper sequence. Were you using ICOM or a USB/CANBUS cable? Numerous forum posts warn the over USB it takes hours and a bricked CCC is very likely.
what sequence?

i just entered in the ZUSB number for CCC and thats it...

also yes i was using USB

i read where u can reset/reboot the idrive using tool32 but with all this googling searching and frustration i dont remember where i read it at, and exactly how to do it, i never used tool32 before.
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UPDATE:

this morning check to see if sleep mode would fix the issue, still no dice, so i went to walmart to get a portable power supply (not a charger) that outputs 750-peak amp power and continuous 12v

12v + the battery power should be enough volts right?
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@ETNSandman

tried using the power supply which didnt do much but i went on ahead and tried flashing in the sequence like u said to look for

which was:
CC6260 CC3F60 CC4760 CC6360 and CCA060

flashing failed in the middle of CC6260 %20

and now my idrive doesn't even show the boot logo anymore, but i can hear noise from the unit...

in INPA (programming status) it shows that MOSTGW is still aktiv for programming and CCC module is not present in my list anymore either !

please could someone help.....

would making the car go into sleep mode kick the module out of programing state and i would get my CCC module back ?

i really just wanted to use toolset 32 to reboot the idrive but now i can't do that... or even know how to

similar to what this guy has experienced - http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...5#post28623485
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after using jumper cables to get a power supply from another car, and searching around for answers which led me no where since info is all over the place

i saw how to use NFS, which gave me no dice either, but here are some new errors every time I try to update CCC / MOSTGW

MOSTGW
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Emergency flash not OK

0x62 9185627
Programming not ok. Abort
UIF-Info: The user info field can still be programmed 1 times Program ECU?
Error: Error 211: Error on flash programming!
Error: Error 7056: PABD 06FLOBD FlashSchreiben 1450 clear flash done - EDIABAS IFH-failure (10..59, except IFH-0003 and IFH-0009) 47CC6260, FLASH_SCHREIBEN (...): IFH-0003: Datatransmission to interface disturbed
Error: Error 7056: Error COAPI2.CPP coapiRunCabd 6 clear flash done - EDIABAS IFH-failure (10..59, except IFH-0003 and IFH-0009) SG_PROGRAMMIEREN
Error: Error 7056: Error COAPIKF.CPP coapiKfProgSgD2 19 clear flash done - EDIABAS IFH-failure (10..59, except IFH-0003 and IFH-0009)
CCC
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0xA0 9193874
Programming not ok. Fatal Error
Error: Error 200: Error on reading HW-Number from ECU or logistic file Please check: Connection of ECU, Diagnosis line, ECU-Address, Logstic files
Error: Error 7014: PABD 137DLEXXL Ident 864 ECU adresses are set - no answer from ECU (IFH-0009) but gateway o.k., no OPPS/Most 49CCA060, IDENT: IFH-0009: No response from controlunit
Error: Error 7014: Error COAPI2.CPP coapiRunCabd 6 ECU adresses are set - no answer from ECU (IFH-0009) but gateway o.k., no OPPS/Most SG_IDENT_LESEN
Error: Error 7014: Error COAPIKF.CPP coapiKfGetHwNrFromSgD2 3 ECU adresses are set - no answer from ECU (IFH-0009) but gateway o.k., no OPPS/Most

Im running out of options, info, and feedback... my last option is to disconnect the battery overnight to see if that changes anything....
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I'm scared the damage is done. CIC retro fit time?
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Datatransmission to interface disturbed.
It usually means that something else started to talk on the same data line during the procedure.

What were the conditions? Car was just sitting, ignition on? Did anything happen when the flash failed (like car entered to sleep mode, or you opened the door)? How fast were flashing the other modules and at what time did this fail?


If you have no other options but thrash the module, send it to me and I can try to re-flash it in the lab. However never done it, so no guarantee. Only if it's garbage for you.
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Hi
I have same issue after updating ASK module, and Fixed It,
I got my i drive freeze even the screen all media , I have disconnect the computer and switch off the car and took the remote out.
2 minutes, then disconnect negative cable port from the battery. waiting for 2 another minutes.
Then connect it, LOL everything comeback normally.

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Hi
I have same issue after updating ASK module, and Fixed It,
I got my i drive freeze even the screen all media , I have disconnect the computer and switch off the car and took the remote out.
2 minutes, then disconnect negative cable port from the battery. waiting for 2 another minutes.
Then connect it, LOL everything comeback normally.

Regards;

Can you explain exactly what u disconnected except the battery

What remote are you talking about and what computer ?

As far as my I drive being black I think it's stuck in program mode and idk how to reset it or kick it out I tried unplugging the ccc and re plugging and leaving battery disconnected over night INPA still says MOSTGW is aktiv in program mode and I don't have CCC module in UIF anymore
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It usually means that something else started to talk on the same data line during the procedure.



What were the conditions? Car was just sitting, ignition on? Did anything happen when the flash failed (like car entered to sleep mode, or you opened the door)? How fast were flashing the other modules and at what time did this fail?





If you have no other options but thrash the module, send it to me and I can try to re-flash it in the lab. However never done it, so no guarantee. Only if it's garbage for you.

I think at this time of this error before it got worse I think I had the car running and I wasn't using a second source of power supply but I got one yesterday and those errors I posted are the most recent even with a second source of power without the car running
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Remote ... my car key fob
Computer .... my laptop
Dont try again reprogramming the same module while bootsector is active ....

I dont know how to make module again in state 1'to accept expert/comfort mode.

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Remote ... my car key fob
Computer .... my laptop
Dont try again reprogramming the same module while bootsector is active ....

I dont know how to make module again in state 1'to accept expert/comfort mode.
yea me either i've been searching around i came across someone said that u can make this happen by using tools32 and enter the reset command but there is no guide on how to do that for my module (s)


also here are my before and after UIF data sheets
BEFORE: "This is what i had before i did any type of flashing, i took a pic before i did anything"


AFTER: "This is what i see now"


notice the 2 lines in the BEFORE pic that isn't my correct VIN

also notice the AFTER pic some modules have disappeared...
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Some times WinKFP can work with Expert Mode, but tool32 is recommended by many.

Befora and after .. modules are not disappeared... if you select detail option you will find them in the tail of the list in corrupt format.

I wish you and find a solution to be able to reprogramming the module, cause I have one module cidf in same situation state 12. ...
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Some times WinKFP can work with Expert Mode, but tool32 is recommended by many.

Befora and after .. modules are not disappeared... if you select detail option you will find them in the tail of the list in corrupt format.

I wish you and find a solution to be able to reprogramming the module, cause I have one module cidf in same situation state 12. ...
Good luck
yes im googling as much as i can, and i also seen people say that tools32 can be set back to program mode 1 and be able to reflash it with expert mode but nothing is giving detailed info to how to do so...

im trying to see if i can use expert mode but im not sure what settings to use, some say dont use boot... and uncheck every option in the config menu... and when i choose my data files winkfp cant find them....
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ok so, i got some light shed on this situation,

came down to about 2 possible options without purchasing a new unit.

OPTION 1.BMW said that they can/probably - reset/update the unit for $120 - i talked to a technician and told him exactly what happened, and its stuck in programming mode 7. I also told him that I can hear the unit make noise which is prob the fan/cd inside and he said thats a good thing... and the unit is still waiting to be programmed since it failed during the flash.

OPTION 2. Buy a ICOM2a cable and some how get my hands on a free ISTA-P / D and begin my research on how to reset it out of program mode and re-flash it

OPTION 3. Would be to buy a whole new unit which what im trying to avoid of course.

option 1 would be my best bet, because at least i might can get lucky with spending $120 to get bmw to try reset/update the module for me and they have the reliable guaranteed tools to do so, even if they cant do this, i just hope they dont lie and try and tell me it cannot be kicked out and updated and try to get me to pay more $$$ to buy a whole new unit...

and to make this option solid, i spoke with 2 dealership locations and they both basically said the same thing...
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I found the same input for option 2
All MOST modules needs icoma2 interface for update, not k-can cable.

I would take option 2 .

Good luck and let us know what is happening.
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I have one more word of caution about flashing modules. I flashed a bunch shortly after getting my car. After your ccc experience, I'd warn you to not flash any of the airbag related modules. I did this and had error lights and passenger restraint fails for a month until I located how to reset system time on a Google translated German BMW forum. So not fun.

From now on I stick to major modules,Engine, transmission, suspension and steering related at first. I avoid steering now since the szl in your steering column is part of the airbag system.

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The strange point here is you successfully updated kombi, which is part of MOST BUS, with k-can cable interface.!
And I've updated ASK module which is also part of MOST BUS with k-can cable.
Why you fail with CCC and I fail with CID modules? And they are a part of MOST BUS as well??
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Yea kombi and DME goes so smoothly and it's fast

Oh and I forgot to add I also updated the AMP module which worked as well

CCC module was the last thing I tried updating before everything went down hill then I tried updating the MOSTGW module and that failed too and that's where I'm stuck at with it being in programming mode 7

BMW is looking at it now I pray to god it's fixable and if it does gets fixed I won't be messing with flashing anymore I'll just stick with coding
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Yep like I thought they recommend me to buy a new unit lol
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Yea kombi and DME goes so smoothly and it's fast

Oh and I forgot to add I also updated the AMP module which worked as well

CCC module was the last thing I tried updating before everything went down hill then I tried updating the MOSTGW module and that failed too and that's where I'm stuck at with it being in programming mode 7
Yes, I think the chance of failure is proportional to the size of the data file. Long process, more chance of having some disturbance on the data line.
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