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Old 10-06-2016, 07:18 PM
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F31 Winter Tires and Rims

Hi,

I'm a new owner of a 2016 F31 328 Touring M sport. Standard wheels are 225/35/19 on the front, and 255/35/19 on the back.

Other than spending 4k BMW for BMW winter tires and rims at the dealership (which look mediocre anyway) does anyone have suggestions for some great after market winter tire packages?

I'd love 19's, but heard 18 are the way to go for winter tires...just concerned the tires will look small in the already too large wheel well (yes the car should be dropped a couple inches)

2nd question..

Any advice on dropping it a couple inches? it's a lease and I question the wisdom in doing that..
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Old 10-06-2016, 09:48 PM
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All tourings are xDrive; it comes with a slightly taller stance due to it's xDrive suspension. Plenty of threads about coilovers to look at. Not sure about the rear on tourings, however.
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Old 10-07-2016, 08:53 AM
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The 35 ratio on the 19's are very much at risk for pothole damage. Go with the 18's which have a higher profile. I bought BMW takeoff rims on ebay then went to Discount Tire for TPMS Sensors and winter tires. They priced better than any online price.
Instead of lowering the car just push the sport button. It gives a firmer ride without any extra cost or hassle. Lowering could be an issue for a lease.
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Old 10-07-2016, 09:23 AM
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Hi,

I'm a new owner of a 2016 F31 328 Touring M sport. Standard wheels are 225/35/19 on the front, and 255/35/19 on the back.

Other than spending 4k BMW for BMW winter tires and rims at the dealership (which look mediocre anyway) does anyone have suggestions for some great after market winter tire packages?

I'd love 19's, but heard 18 are the way to go for winter tires...just concerned the tires will look small in the already too large wheel well (yes the car should be dropped a couple inches)

2nd question..

Any advice on dropping it a couple inches? it's a lease and I question the wisdom in doing that..

Winter tire prices are drastically different from 18'' to 19'', further, with 18'' you have the opportunity to get more sidewall which is nice when the roads are the most ****ty (potholes, sand, etc). To me, there is no reason why 19'' snows should be considered.


As for packages? shop around, i'm sure you can find a close-out deal on tire rack, or if you are like me and really don't care about appearances in the winter, steelies are a good cheap option.

For lowering? you are on a lease, I am not sure what that would mean during turn-in, but unless you are installing yourself, you ought to price out and decide what it really means to you. is looking 1-2inches lower worth the cost of Coils + 2x install? to me, it's not.

Also, lowering the the wintertime is a asking for undercarriage issues depending on how hard of a winter you will face. Combined with the fact you don't own the car, you are sort of asking for extra fees during turn-in time. to me, not worth the headache, and this is coming from someone who has lowered my previous car(s).
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Old 10-07-2016, 09:32 AM
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Other than spending 4k BMW for BMW winter tires and rims at the dealership (which look mediocre anyway) does anyone have suggestions for some great after market winter tire packages?
As a fellow Canadian, have a look at PMC Tire. They seem to have fairly decent prices, cheap shipping out of Quebec, and they carry several wheels under the Replika brand which look similar to OEM BMW wheels (and accept BMW centre caps), so they won't look out of place on your car.

Oh, and Canadian BMWs don't have TPMS sensors in the wheels (our cars use the FTM - flat tire monitor - system, which just watches the ABS wheel speed sensors). That means a winter wheel solution doesn't cost us quite as much as Americans.

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I'd love 19's, but heard 18 are the way to go for winter tires...just concerned the tires will look small in the already too large wheel well (yes the car should be dropped a couple inches)
Personally, I don't think 18" looks bad at all on the F31. I'd definitely go with that (and non-staggered) for a winter setup. A lot of people opt for non-runflat tires in the winter, but it seems to me like that's the time of year when I least want to be stuck at the side of the road dealing with a flat tire. Pirelli Sottozero winter tires are available in runflat form, and seem to be what BMW generally recommends.

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Old 10-07-2016, 03:38 PM
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Last year, for the then new F31 I drive, I found a set of almost new style 396s in b-post classifieds ($400), bought a set of TPMS from another classified ad ($200), and then pricematched a Sears' sale of Michelin Xi3 225/45R18 to the local tire installer at $690.

I have ZTR, so 18" winters meant that I stayed with the same size (just narrower rear tires), but even if I had 19" factory, I would have gone with 18" for winter. Low profile tire in winter makes no sense at all.

Also, it seems you are under the impression that smaller wheels mean smaller tires. That's not true if you stick to BMW standard sizes (and if you don't, you'll have speedometer issues).

What to do with your suspension depends on whether you have standard xdrive suspension or adaptive. For standard, anything you do would be an improvement, though 2" drop will be excessive to virtually any taste. For F31, you could find AC Schnitzer springs that have a more reasonable drop of, I believe, 25-35mm, which is a popular solution in Europe (in the U.S., you'll have hard time finding good aftermarket suspension parts calibrated specifically for F31). If you have adaptive, go to Dinan for their software and matching springs.
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Old 10-07-2016, 05:01 PM
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My F31 came with 18's and I went to 17's for snows. The snows are going to handle poorly compared to any normal tire so the 17 makes the best choice. The 17 is the base rim on the F3X family so they are usually available as take offs. I got mine on eBay. The 17 has the biggest sidewall so that protects from potholes, have a larger selection of tire brands to pick from and they are way cheaper than 18's and 19's.
After a lot of research I went with the Nokian Hakkapeliitta R2 in 225/50/R17. I used them all last winter in the UT mountains and they were excellent!
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My F31 came with 18's and I went to 17's for snows. The snows are going to handle poorly compared to any normal tire so the 17 makes the best choice. The 17 is the base rim on the F3X family so they are usually available as take offs. I got mine on eBay. The 17 has the biggest sidewall so that protects from potholes, have a larger selection of tire brands to pick from and they are way cheaper than 18's and 19's.
After a lot of research I went with the Nokian Hakkapeliitta R2 in 225/50/R17. I used them all last winter in the UT mountains and they were excellent!
I'm thinking of getting 17s for an F31 as well. Can somebody tell me what the width and offset is on a standard BMW rim of this size for the F30 series?
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Old 12-01-2019, 02:22 PM
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I'm thinking of getting 17s for an F31 as well. Can somebody tell me what the width and offset is on a standard BMW rim of this size for the F30 series?
BMW Style 392 & 393: 3er F30 - 7.5x17, offset 37 with 225/50R17

BMW Style 395:
3er F30 - 7.5x17 front, offet 37 with 225/50R17; 8.5x17 rear, offset 47 with 255/45R17
3er GT F34 - 8x17, offset 34 with 225/55R17
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Old 12-01-2019, 03:00 PM
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BMW Style 392 & 393: 3er F30 - 7.5x17, offset 37 with 225/50R17

BMW Style 395:
3er F30 - 7.5x17 front, offet 37 with 225/50R17; 8.5x17 rear, offset 47 with 255/45R17
3er GT F34 - 8x17, offset 34 with 225/55R17
Thanks, John.

The GTs have bigger diameter tires than the sedans and wagons?
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It appears the GT & GC could be fitted with wheels 0.5" wider than the sedan.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:32 PM
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Honestly, drop down to 17s. It will net the best winter performance and the cost is SO much more appealing. Car is going to be covered in salt and **** anyways so who cares about how it looks. Go for functionality. This is the setup I went with. About $1200 on tire rack picked up and ready to go.

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Old 12-16-2019, 11:58 AM
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Honestly, drop down to 17s. It will net the best winter performance and the cost is SO much more appealing. Car is going to be covered in salt and **** anyways so who cares about how it looks. Go for functionality. This is the setup I went with. About $1200 on tire rack picked up and ready to go.

Thanks WannabeX5, I'm leaning toward 17s. One reason to go with 18s for winter tires, would be that I could take my "new rim money" and buy 19s for the summer tires. However, that would require buying new summer tires too.

Those look like OEM rims. Did you buy them new or used?

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Old 12-16-2019, 12:06 PM
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check on tirerack.com

All tourings are xDrive; it comes with a slightly taller stance due to it's xDrive suspension. Plenty of threads about coilovers to look at. Not sure about the rear on tourings, however.
Good point

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Old 12-16-2019, 12:28 PM
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I had 18" winters, the Pirelli WINTER SOTTOZERO 2. I wasn't happy with the traction in snow. The dry weather handling was good. These wore out and I just purchased the Continental VIKINGCONTACT 7 SSR. It is MUCH better in snow and handles fine. Also it is quiet.
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Thanks WannabeX5, I'm leaning toward 17s. One to go with 18s for winter tires, would be that I could take my "new rim money" and buy 19s for the summer tires. However, that would require buying new summer tires too.

Those look like OEM rims. Did you buy them new or used?
They look just like factory but are aftermarket. Since this photo i even put on the BMW center caps and they fit. Looks like a factory wheel now.

They are Rial X10 and you can get them on tirerack.
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They look just like factory but are aftermarket. Since this photo i even put on the BMW center caps and they fit. Looks like a factory wheel now.

They are Rial X10 and you can get them on tirerack.
I'm running the same wheels, but in 18" to clear my M Sport brakes. They look quite nice and I'm impressed by the finish quality.

I too got them from Tire Rack and went with Pirelli Sottozero 3 tires. So far they have worked great to include the big snow storm that hit us over the last couple of days. I was driving in 4~5 inches of unplowed snow with no real issues.
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I'm running the same wheels, but in 18" to clear my M Sport brakes. They look quite nice and I'm impressed by the finish quality.

I too got them from Tire Rack and went with Pirelli Sottozero 3 tires. So far they have worked great to include the big snow storm that hit us over the last couple of days. I was driving in 4~5 inches of unplowed snow with no real issues.
I've got M-Sport brakes (track handling) on my wagon. Sounds like 17" wheels will not fit?
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Old 12-20-2019, 06:43 AM
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I've got M-Sport brakes (track handling) on my wagon. Sounds like 17" wheels will not fit?
Your car has the blue brake calipers with the larger rotors? If so, 17" wheels will not fit because the brakes are too large.

Many 18" wheels will also not fit. You have to shop carefully for the right offset and barrel shape/size to make sure they will clear the brakes...or just do what I did and go with the recommendations from Tire Rack. They have already done all the research to figure out what fits and what doesn't. Fortunately the Rial X10's and a few others they sell in 18" sizes do fit.
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Old 12-21-2019, 09:21 PM
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Does anyone know if staggered M3 rims of appropriate years will fit 2014 F31 touring wagon? I would like to purchase staggered M3 19' rims but I don't want rubbing issues.

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Old 12-22-2019, 03:45 AM
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I've got M-Sport brakes (track handling) on my wagon. Sounds like 17" wheels will not fit?
Your car has the blue brake calipers with the larger rotors? If so, 17" wheels will not fit because the brakes are too large.

Many 18" wheels will also not fit. You have to shop carefully for the right offset and barrel shape/size to make sure they will clear the brakes...or just do what I did and go with the recommendations from Tire Rack. They have already done all the research to figure out what fits and what doesn't. Fortunately the Rial X10's and a few others they sell in 18" sizes do fit.
Thank you. I ordered the Rial X10s with Blizzaks from TireRack today.

I recommend calling them if people have any questions. Their sales people have been very helpful this and other times I have had questions about tire performance and fitment.
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Instead of lowering the car just push the sport button. It gives a firmer ride without any extra cost or hassle. Lowering could be an issue for a lease.
99% of f31s do NOT have adaptive suspension, so this won’t generally do anything for handling.

ACS springs are actually Eibachs, and you can get the EU f31 specific eibachs on ebay.
Lovely thread about the suspension options on the model specific f30 forum.
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Your car has the blue brake calipers with the larger rotors? If so, 17" wheels will not fit because the brakes are too large.

Many 18" wheels will also not fit. You have to shop carefully for the right offset and barrel shape/size to make sure they will clear the brakes...or just do what I did and go with the recommendations from Tire Rack. They have already done all the research to figure out what fits and what doesn't. Fortunately the Rial X10's and a few others they sell in 18" sizes do fit.
Desertnate, Did you get a "square" setup with Rial X10 18 x 8 rims all around? And 225/45 18" in front and back? No issues? My wife took the new set to a local tire shop (not a TireRack recommended shop but somebody who I respect) who refused to install them because he was worried about the wheels not clearing the rear brakes.

I was not there to argue with the service person at the tire shop.
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Desertnate, Did you get a "square" setup with Rial X10 18 x 8 rims all around? And 225/45 18" in front and back? No issues? My wife took the new set to a local tire shop (not a TireRack recommended shop but somebody who I respect) who refused to install them because he was worried about the wheels not clearing the rear brakes.

I was not there to argue with the service person at the tire shop.
Yes, I went with the square set up with the exact sizes you mention above.

I'm not sure why they would be worried about the rear brakes. The front brakes are actually larger than the rear and those have the closer tolerances. The rears have almost double the clearance based on my uncalibrated eyeball.

Since I ordered the full set (tires/tpms/wheels) fully assembled, I just mounted then myself in my garage. They fit just fine and I've been running them for nearly two months with no issues.

Track Package F3X's were available with an 18" wheel and non-runflat tires stock from the factory. If I recall it was standard equipment and the 19's were the optional fitment. I don't understand why the tire shop would object.
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Yes, I went with the square set up with the exact sizes you mention above.

I'm not sure why they would be worried about the rear brakes. The front brakes are actually larger than the rear and those have the closer tolerances. The rears have almost double the clearance based on my uncalibrated eyeball.

Since I ordered the full set (tires/tpms/wheels) fully assembled, I just mounted then myself in my garage. They fit just fine and I've been running them for nearly two months with no issues.

Track Package F3X's were available with an 18" wheel and non-runflat tires stock from the factory. If I recall it was standard equipment and the 19's were the optional fitment. I don't understand why the tire shop would object.
Thanks for confirming. I completely agree with you.

I ordered fully assembled, like you, and had planned to mount the new wheels/tires myself. However, I was out of town and my wife was helping me out. She found another place who was willing to install the new setup on the car, and she has driven it to the mountains with no issues.

Perhaps the first tire place thought the rear wheels were 18x8.5s--I don't know. I did some searching before seeing your reply, and I was not able to confirm the width dimensions of the stock 18 inch wheels (for track handling setup), and started to wonder myself.

Problem resolved. Everything is functioning as intended so far!
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