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Old 12-03-2019, 05:44 PM
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And is oil pump, oil pump chain or pump? Why replace the pump if the pump is fine? Sorry if asking too many questions


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N20 timing chain kit($500-ish) does include oil pump chain assembly, but oil pump itself is separate cost(and extra labor).

Yes if oil pump is OK then there will be no need to replace, but some failures had broken plastic pieces suck into oil pump and cause damage.
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Old 12-03-2019, 05:48 PM
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I will eventually bring it to my indy in a couple of weeks, just started a new job so need to build some money up first, but up to this point overall car has been good. I'm in paranoia, and decided to put her up for sale because I feel like she is going to try to break her transfer case or snap her timing chain.


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Yes selling is one of my options too, but dealer foremen and trusted indies assured me that mine is A-OK, maybe they want me to spend $$$$$ to fix TC in the future.

Another consideration is, the class action lawsuit seems to be close to resolution, the next chamber meeting with judge will be 12/12(last one was 10/31), maybe some news will come out soon.

2013 328i should fetch about $14k private sales dependent on options. Carmax can be a good route to test the water, esp. since the car is in good shape.

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Old 12-03-2019, 05:55 PM
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Sheís in excellent shape, besides her miles (she looks like she has 30k miles) and has been completely highway driven. Pretty sure Iím one of the higher if not the top 15 highest MY13 F30, completely Highway. And really? Thatís awesome man. Hey do you have Snapchat or anything like that? It would make me feel at ease being able to stay in communication with you, BMW should recall the damn timing chain and offer an extended warranty on the transfer cases. They make amazing cars but the reliability is such garbage itís not even funny...


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Old 12-03-2019, 07:50 PM
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Could it be carbon buildup? Its a DI engine, and them valvebacks get crusty...

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Old 12-03-2019, 07:51 PM
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I thought that was only an issue for the N54?


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Old 12-04-2019, 08:46 AM
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2013 328i should fetch about $14k private sales dependent on options. Carmax can be a good route to test the water, esp. since the car is in good shape.
You are dreaming. 2013 with 126k on the clock and a ticking time bomb under the hood - maybe 8k at the dealer! Private party - lucky if you get 6.
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:48 AM
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Exactly why Iím trying to sell it before this thing blows up, may look into a 2011 528i or 2011-2012 535 or 2012 335i. My N26 is already starting to have power issues with loss of power..


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Old 12-04-2019, 08:48 AM
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Most likely will trade in and roll whatever is remaining into a new auto loan, at leas I wonít have to worry about the timing chain issue anymore


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Old 12-04-2019, 08:50 AM
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Most likely will trade in and roll whatever is remaining into a new auto loan, at leas I wonít have to worry about the timing chain issue anymore


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That would be a 2nd bad decision in a row. You made the 1st one when you bought a car you could not afford and did not even bother to research. TC issue has been known for years
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:53 AM
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I was able to afford my 530i , I have not had a single repair on this N26 yet. I have researched the timing chain and asked people they said it was rare, I took a gamble. I donít hear any chain whine or metallic sound when I rev the engine. Are you saying all N26/N20s will blow up???


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Old 12-04-2019, 08:58 AM
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So please donít assume what I canít, and can afford. I bought my 530i cash. Had it for a while then sold it, decided to finance a newer BMW , if you expect people to afford out of the blue a 3k+ repair or 8k+ engine replacement, youíre insane. BMW owner or not.


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Old 12-04-2019, 09:05 AM
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So please donít assume what I canít, and can afford. I bought my 530i cash. Had it for a while then sold it, decided to finance a newer BMW , if you expect people to afford out of the blue a 3k+ repair or 8k+ engine replacement, youíre insane. BMW owner or not.


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not assuming anything. this is based completely on your own testimony. instead of getting defensive try to be cool headed about it and make the best decision.
And yes, one should absolutely be able to afford a 3k repair bill if considering buying an out of warranty BMW
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:11 AM
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Well I appreciate it. But my 530i which Iíve had for almost 4 years never needed a 3k repair, especially not on a 2013 car. Keep in mind my 530i was an 04 e60. Iíll have the money in a couple of weeks to do the job, but at that point I would rather just get a different BMW, Iím more concerned of the chain snapping and destroying the motor than the chain and guides failing.


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Old 12-04-2019, 09:13 AM
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But I am looking into the other model and engines above. So any insight would be greatly appreciated. Also I would like to know how prevalent is this timing chain issue? This is a defect in the engine, not typical BMW wear and tear. Why arenít they being responsible for this???


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Old 12-04-2019, 10:34 AM
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You are dreaming. 2013 with 126k on the clock and a ticking time bomb under the hood - maybe 8k at the dealer! Private party - lucky if you get 6.
A coworker did sell a 2013 328i xDrive M-sport + tech + HID with 75k miles around $14k last month. High mileage takes a toll, 126k miles probably still can fetch $9k to $10k private dependent on options.

As far as ticking time bomb, there is one camp like Michael the mod who declares this issue as false narrative, and there is another camp that declares inevitable certainty of failure.

My thought is that TC issues as evident from N20/N26, N47, or even other makes, are quite noticeable, similar to worn brakes start squeaking, so it becomes a maintenance items that may or may not materialize. For one it probably is not as certain as a E39/E46 $1500 cooling system overhaul!
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:35 AM
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That doesnít really help but thank you lol. When was the last N20/26 motor blown or timing chain failed? I was looking at last gen Acura TL as well, might take a break from BMW for a little while.


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Old 12-04-2019, 10:49 AM
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That doesnít really help but thank you lol. When was the last N20/26 motor blown or timing chain failed? I was looking at last gen Acura TL as well, might take a break from BMW for a little while.


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Do check out the thread in post#10. There are more people posting about N20/N26 timing chain failures and blown motors than before as these engines accumulate miles. It is hard to gauge what is the % failure rate, local foremen said their shops have seen 20+, local trusted indies say 1-2, mainly X3/xDrive.

The indies did say their jobs were mainly preventive with no symptoms, and the replaced guides and chains were still OK, but those were customer's decisions to replace.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:56 AM
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Also out of those jobs, none of the dealer ones had engine replacement, while one of the indy job was a swapped engine for $6k parts + labor.
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A coworker did sell a 2013 328i xDrive M-sport + tech + HID with 75k miles around $14k last month. High mileage takes a toll, 126k miles probably still can fetch $9k to $10k private dependent on options.

As far as ticking time bomb, there is one camp like Michael the mod who declares this issue as false narrative, and there is another camp that declares inevitable certainty of failure.

My thought is that TC issues as evident from N20/N26, N47, or even other makes, are quite noticeable, similar to worn brakes start squeaking, so it becomes a maintenance items that may or may not materialize. For one it probably is not as certain as a E39/E46 $1500 cooling system overhaul!
You keeping missing the point in our never ending defense of BMW. I lost count of how many of your co workers and family members own F30s and Models 3s.
Why would you buy a vehicle with a known defect that might or might not occur, given you have choices. I would not, majority of buyers would not. That effects market value,
E39 was last produced about 15 years ago, is not comparable to modern vehicles in terms of reliability and is irrelevant to this discussion.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:01 AM
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I see what youíre saying , well Iím trying to sell it. Is loss of acceleration a symptom ? I revved engine , I donít hear any metallic sound or whining. Feels more like it needs a possible tune up but idk. You got me freaked out now lol


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Old 12-04-2019, 12:17 PM
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You keeping missing the point in our never ending defense of BMW. I lost count of how many of your co workers and family members own F30s and Models 3s.
Why would you buy a vehicle with a known defect that might or might not occur, given you have choices. I would not, majority of buyers would not. That effects market value,
E39 was last produced about 15 years ago, is not comparable to modern vehicles in terms of reliability and is irrelevant to this discussion.
Do note never ending defense can go either way, so as suggested being cool headed is a good way to go.

Any possible defect regardless of failure % does have effect on market value, even a relatively new 2018 Honda 1.5L turbo with oil dilution issue(that allegedly is fixed) can be affected.

Having said that the FMV of F30 with N20/N26 is not that off compared to other 3-series(e.g. E46, E90 non-M) of similar ages and miles.

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.... instead of getting defensive try to be cool headed about it and make the best decision.

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Old 12-04-2019, 12:18 PM
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I see what youíre saying , well Iím trying to sell it. Is loss of acceleration a symptom ? I revved engine , I donít hear any metallic sound or whining. Feels more like it needs a possible tune up but idk. You got me freaked out now lol


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Selling is obviously a viable option, esp. if it was bought at a good price.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:27 PM
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Well Iím currently financing it but Iím ahead of the game on it, xD


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Old 12-04-2019, 01:28 PM
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I lost count of how many of your co workers and family members own F30s and Models 3s.
There are other local festers that reported that their entire neighborhoods deflect from 3-series(and other makes + models) to Model 3, in a high volume group F market(and 3-series being high volume in the lineup), so it is not unique among my contacts.
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Do note never ending defense can go either way, so as suggested being cool headed is a good way to go.

Any possible defect regardless of failure % does have effect on market value, even a relatively new 2018 Honda 1.5L turbo with oil dilution issue(that allegedly is fixed) can be affected.

Having said that the FMV of F30 with N20/N26 is not that off compared to other 3-series(e.g. E46, E90 non-M) of similar ages and miles.
I am not sure how you came to this conclusion. Took into account original MSRPs, inflation over the applicable time period? To come up with something meaningful, a pretty involved computation would be required. But regardless, that is irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is how much is a 13 328 worth.

I am having a hard time believing 13 328 got sold for 14K. Options generally make little difference in price on used cars. At 74K it passed the ELW related to TC. Maybe your friend got lucky. Anything is possible, but it still remains anecdotal type of evidence.

I don't see how OP's car can be worth anything more that 6 to 8k depending where you buy it.
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