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However. What do nicely rebuilt Ford 302s sell for? Would using it to finance another build be feasible?
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I never trust those weight figures I see online, though. Engine "assembly" may mean different things to different people. The only way to know for sure is to get them both on a scale wearing all of their clothes.

Regarding the idea of building a 302 to finance another build, this is totally not a slight to Alex in any way at all, but would you buy a built engine from someone who has never built an engine before? I wouldn't.
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Good point Karl. He does have an orange E36. Not even an original colour!
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I was hoping for a little more support on this idea form you guys. You're giving me second thoughts on this engine swap. Maybe I should just give up on the 6-speed part of my 330 stroker build idea and go for that instead. If it does not matter what tranny the downer car has, finding a cheap m54b30 rotating assembly is not hard.

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Regarding the idea of building a 302 to finance another build, this is totally not a slight to Alex in any way at all, but would you buy a built engine from someone who has never built an engine before? I wouldn't.
No slight taken. I would not feel right selling the first engine I build to someone, either.
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I do support it Alex. Especially if it's done with full knowledge that it's a mere step along the path. I'd not want to do it for a long term goal though. I didn't see above if you'd mentioned the site www.e36v8.com? It's exactly this swap, and some instructions and some pre fabbed parts for a decent price.
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No slight taken. I would not feel right selling the first engine I build to someone, either.
Yeah, same here. It's one thing to build your own engine and put it in your own car as an experiment and tool for gaining knowledge. But it's another thing to sell an engine to someone else. I wouldn't sell an engine that I had built, either. I'll leave that to the pros with decades of experience.

Engine builds can be tricky, since it can seem to run fine, but if you don't get all of your bearing tolerances absolutely perfect, the engine can prematurely eat itself inside without you even knowing it. This can mean the difference between an engine that lasts 150k miles or 15k miles (or much less...).

I definitely do support the idea of a V8 in your E36, but a relatively tepid 5.0L (even with 300hp) just doesn't seem worth it to me. Since engine swaps are such a hassle, and require so much custom work, troubleshooting, fixing, etc., I'd save your money and do the swap with a better engine like a properly built 5.0L with aluminum heads, etc., or even better, an LS engine. If I was going to go with a V8 in the E36, an LS is frankly the only motor I would even consider. It's just so much better in the long run, and if you plan to keep your car for a while, I'd think long term like that.
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I was hoping for a little more support on this idea form you guys. You're giving me second thoughts on this engine swap. Maybe I should just give up on the 6-speed part of my 330 stroker build idea and go for that instead. If it does not matter what tranny the downer car has, finding a cheap m54b30 rotating assembly is not hard.



No slight taken. I would not feel right selling the first engine I build to someone, either.
This might be a better project to tackle as your first major engine job. It certainly eliminates the ancillary tasks (electrical, exhaust, suspension) that would come with the 5.0 swap and you'd still get a power boost you'll really feel with the butt dyno. As to the 6 speed tranny, you could install the stroker motor with your 5 speed and then do the 6 speed swap once you've got the stroker engine sorted out. Unless you're swapping in a higher ratio diff, the 6 speed doesn't do that much for you anyway outside the "cool" factor.
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I do support it Alex. Especially if it's done with full knowledge that it's a mere step along the path. I'd not want to do it for a long term goal though. I didn't see above if you'd mentioned the site www.e36v8.com? It's exactly this swap, and some instructions and some pre fabbed parts for a decent price.
If I stick the 5.0L V8 in my e36, the long term goal for the engine would be a NA built 5.0L. I have seen e36v8.com before. In fact that is the site that inspired me to want a 5.0L in my e36.
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I definitely do support the idea of a V8 in your E36, but a relatively tepid 5.0L (even with 300hp) just doesn't seem worth it to me. Since engine swaps are such a hassle, and require so much custom work, troubleshooting, fixing, etc., I'd save your money and do the swap with a better engine like a properly built 5.0L with aluminum heads, etc., or even better, an LS engine. If I was going to go with a V8 in the E36, an LS is frankly the only motor I would even consider. It's just so much better in the long run, and if you plan to keep your car for a while, I'd think long term like that.
My current engine has a blown head gasket, so saving up for a “better” engine is not an option. I want to get my car back on the road this summer, I have not driven it since Dec. The LS1 engine is more expensive, harder to swap in and does not fit as well as the 5.0L, so the LS1 is pretty much off the table. As far as power goes, I really only want something between 300-400HP for my car’s permanent engine. There is such a thing as too much power and I fell like personal that would be somewhere over 400HP for me. The 5.0L would be nice because I could slowly build it up until I hit the right amount of HP for me. Also when I was saying top end kit, that includes aluminum heads.
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This might be a better project to tackle as your first major engine job. It certainly eliminates the ancillary tasks (electrical, exhaust, suspension) that would come with the 5.0 swap and you'd still get a power boost you'll really feel with the butt dyno. As to the 6 speed tranny, you could install the stroker motor with your 5 speed and then do the 6 speed swap once you've got the stroker engine sorted out. Unless you're swapping in a higher ratio diff, the 6 speed doesn't do that much for you anyway outside the "cool" factor.
Very good points. God, I am so torn on this.
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Guys I need new rear lower control arms. My adjustment bolt is seized and at the last alignment the tech had a hard time adjusting the rear.

I see a VAC set locally for $150, yay or nay?
Yay. The VAC arms are designed to deform in a crash like the stock arms to protect the diff and sub-frame. Most aftermarket arms will not do that and will instead damage those more expensive parts. The VAC are my first choice when it comes to rear lower control arms and $150 does not seem like a bad price. They are $300 new.
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