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Old 10-19-2005, 09:12 PM
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Hi all,

While I was waiting for my Z4 3.0 to be serviced, I had the opportunity to test drive a used 2002 M3. I was really excited, because I'm potentially in the market for an upcoming e90 M3.

With my flame suit on, and in all honesty, I was quite disappointed with the whole package. The car felt a bit clunky, the acceleration didn't seem as linear as the Z4, the clutch was annoyingly heavy (I understand heavy clutches can be a positive), and I didn't get a great feel from the car. When I drive the Z4, I feel "one" with the car - like an extension of my body. I realize that the car is significantly heavier then a Z4, so that is a major disadvantage...however given the powerful M3 motor and tuning, I thought it would have more then made up for it.

So anyway, what gives? Am I the only one who has experienced such a thing? I'm still counting on the e90 M3 to knock my socks off!
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:52 PM
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The new Z4 will have the M engine in it. That should be quite nice, I may get one of those then when they come out. I went out and test drove the new Vette today for the first time. The vette is nice and the engine still sounded like a Chevy Engine. I liked the car but liked driving my cousin's new 997 Carrera S more.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:58 PM
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mebe u just need 2 learn how 2 drive it.
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So anyway, what gives? Am I the only one who has experienced such a thing?
Did you drive it? Or did you DRIVE it? If you don't let the engine rev, then yes, I would agree, it can disappoint. You have to let the horses run...

And that's just in a straight line. I have read a lot of places that the E46 doesn't handle as sweetly as the E36 did. That being said, with DSC off, I think the E46 "breaks" in a very linear fashion, and even in the wet, haven't had the tail come out on me so much that I couldn't catch it to max forward oomph. My middle name isn't Ayrton, either.

--Edit--

I had a Z4 3.0 for 3 weeks during a "teething" period when I first got my car... I wasn't a fan of the interior, but I thought it handled pretty well. (Flame on, maybe I don't have a f'n clue.)

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Old 10-20-2005, 04:38 AM
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The M3 is very deceptive. The limtsa re so high, that a normal test drive is so far below them that the car is loafing. You need to push it a bit to realy feel what it can do, but doing so on publich roads can lead to loss of license.

The acceleration is also deceptive, since the torque curve is so flat you don't get that rush as the torque builds, it is already there. But it does move out.

Handling versus the E36, it doesn't feel as fun, but it does handle. Running with some modded E36 M3s at O'fest, I thought they were doing as well as I could do in teh ttwity parts of VIR while I was behind them, once I passssed, I found that I was MUCH quicker through the twisties and VERY much quicker down teh striaghts.
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Old 10-20-2005, 05:58 AM
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Makes sense Pinecone and AJAX. It is true that I couldn't push the car during the test drive, and I did notice the flat torque curve that you noticed. I have no doubt in it's abilities on the track, but guess I really just wasn't impressed driving it how I normally would on everyday streets. With that said, it's still a phenomenal car. Hopefully the e90 M3 is a bit lighter (doubt it!), handles more like a roadster, and is even more FUN!
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Old 10-20-2005, 06:01 AM
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Makes sense Pinecone and AJAX. It is true that I couldn't push the car during the test drive, and I did notice the flat torque curve that you noticed. I have no doubt in it's abilities on the track, but guess I really just wasn't impressed driving it how I normally would on everyday streets. With that said, it's still a phenomenal car. Hopefully the e90 M3 is a bit lighter (doubt it!), handles more like a roadster, and is even more FUN!
Fundamentally, the stock M3 suspension sucks. The Z4 can be as much as 500lbs. lighter than an M3, so its slgihtly better suspension will seem dramatically better.

Stick 500lbs. of passenger in your Z4 and see what you think of it then.
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Makes sense Pinecone and AJAX. It is true that I couldn't push the car during the test drive, and I did notice the flat torque curve that you noticed. I have no doubt in it's abilities on the track, but guess I really just wasn't impressed driving it how I normally would on everyday streets. With that said, it's still a phenomenal car. Hopefully the e90 M3 is a bit lighter (doubt it!), handles more like a roadster, and is even more FUN!
There's a thread over on www.Z4um.com from a Z4/M3 owner as to which car handles better.

Enjoy.

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true Nick325xiT, true...
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true Nick325xiT, true...
(I am aware that it would be one hell of a passenger.)
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:03 PM
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I test drove a Z4 2.5i (auto - ugh!) a few months back. IMHO the car has nothing on the M regarding handling. I agree with the above posters in that you have to drive the M hard to feel its capabilities. The Z4 rides like a buckboard....

Having said that, I love the looks of the Z4 and the new Z4M will be one hell of a car...
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