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Old 05-09-2013, 01:27 PM
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328i vs C63?

I'm new here because I'm highly interested in a 2012/2013 BMW 328i Sport, but I'm having a little dilemma because I also like the Mercedes Benz C63 AMG, now I know you're asking why would I compare a AMG C63 with a 3 series BMW, but it just comes down to price, I can't a afford a new M class, so I would have to get a 3 series. (I don't like the design of the older M class model, so it would have to be a 2012+). But with Mercedes on the other hand, the 2009 C63, looks almost exactly like the 2013 model, just a few changes, so I can get a 2009 C63, which is a V8, with 400+ horsepower, for about the same price as a fairly used 2013/2012 3 series (around 30-35k budget). But the new BMW 3328i looks so much better than the C63, but the engine isn't as strong.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:32 PM
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If you can't drive fast with 240hp, an extra 160+hp isn't going to do you any good.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:35 PM
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You can't even compare the two. The C63 is a beast but keep in mind that there will be a huge difference in fuel economy and insurance costs. Also, I will assume that the C63 is going to cost you quite a bit more to maintain.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:46 PM
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You can't even compare the two. The C63 is a beast but keep in mind that there will be a huge difference in fuel economy and insurance costs. Also, I will assume that the C63 is going to cost you quite a bit more to maintain.
That is actually true, also how much can I do to increase the HP of a 328i?
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:16 PM
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Is this your only car? Can you deal with the hopeful 18-20mpg of the AMG? Are you going to be driving the AMG in snow? $35k for a used car can buy you a used Ferrari or Lotus as well. But it all depends on your needs and what will fit you best.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:20 PM
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That is actually true, also how much can I do to increase the HP of a 328i?
Plenty.

Off the bat, you have 270ish at the crank, not really 240.

It's not a problem to get about 340-360hp at the crank with a couple of bolt ons and a tune.

Just saw a guy with a soft launch Xdrive run [email protected]+mph in a 328 with turbo back exhaust, intercooler and tune on 93 octane gas.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:03 PM
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That is actually true, also how much can I do to increase the HP of a 328i?
I am assuming this will be your daily driver. If so, the 328 already makes plenty of power. I would not touch it for few months and once you get bored you can get a tune that will give a nice power bump. Then you can invest in a nice suspension set up or whatever else you like.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:17 PM
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Why wouldn't you compare a 2009 M3 to the 2009 C63?

That's more of an apples to apples comparison in price and performance.
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You really can't compare the two. The C63 is a better M3 but it is an atrocious 328.

Try to prioritize your wants/needs. The C63 engine is easy to fall in love with but can you really afford to run and maintain it (specially out of warranty)?
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:52 PM
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You really can't compare the two. The C63 is a better M3 but it is an atrocious 328.

Try to prioritize your wants/needs. The C63 engine is easy to fall in love with but can you really afford to run and maintain it (specially out of warranty)?
Wait.....so it's better than the M3 and not nearly as good as the 328? So the 328 is way better than the M3?
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Old 05-09-2013, 04:10 PM
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Wait.....so it's better than the M3 and not nearly as good as the 328? So the 328 is way better than the M3?
Re-read what he wrote to yourself out loud, it may sink in better.
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The C63 is more muscle car, 328 is more sports car
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OP, Seeing your original post and noticing that you do care about limited budget, I would suggest you to go for 328 - as already suggested above. You can later tune it, add the power upgrade, etc.. And, it won't take a big fat bite out of your wallet to maintain. C63 is going to be a sinkhole..
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The biggest improvement in a car's performance comes down to just one part, the screw behind the steering wheel. As they told us at my first track school, even those on the track in an M3 would be passed by a Ford Fiesta driven by Michael Schumacher. Improve the driver first.
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:20 PM
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Why wouldn't you compare a 2009 M3 to the 2009 C63?

That's more of an apples to apples comparison in price and performance.
I don't like the older version of BMW, well not that I don't like them, I just like the new ones way more, so if Im going to get a BMW it has to be the 2012+, but the Benz design is almost the same, they pretty much just added the Daytime running lights instead of fog lights. But I have made a decision of getting a BMW! Altough the C63 is nice, the AMG will be too much to maintain since the car is a bit older with more milage, and the V8 will eat up my gas way to quickly, not only that the BMW looks 100x better so.. BMW here I come!

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Old 05-10-2013, 04:27 AM
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The C63 is more muscle car, 328 is more sports car
The C63 is a sports sedan that competes with the M3. The 328 is an entry-level luxury sedan with sporty intentions.
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:43 AM
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The C63 is a sports sedan that competes with the M3. The 328 is an entry-level luxury sedan with sporty intentions.
I would have to disagree. The C63 is faster, but isn't as sporty as the 3
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I dunno, to me these are two very different cars in terms of driving and performance. They may be similar in fit and finish and size and maybe features (not too familiar with MB).
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:08 AM
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The biggest improvement in a car's performance comes down to just one part, the screw behind the steering wheel. As they told us at my first track school, even those on the track in an M3 would be passed by a Ford Fiesta driven by Michael Schumacher. Improve the driver first.
Also this.

Unbelievable how many people buy Porsches or M cars and don't invest the $1,000 to learn to really drive well.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:19 AM
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, not only that the BMW looks 100x better so.. BMW here I come!
If so, why even ask the question?

I happen to think the C63 a very good looking car for its intended purpose. It seems obvious the OP is less interested in performance, rather for the car's daily duty value.

Nothing wrong with that, neither the C63, nor the M3 is strong in DD value. They should never have entered the equation.
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I don't like the older version of BMW, well not that I don't like them, I just like the new ones way more, so if Im going to get a BMW it has to be the 2012+, but the Benz design is almost the same, they pretty much just added the Daytime running lights instead of fog lights. But I have made a decision of getting a BMW! Altough the C63 is nice, the AMG will be too much to maintain since the car is a bit older with more milage, and the V8 will eat up my gas way to quickly, not only that the BMW looks 100x better so.. BMW here I come!
I’m confused…2012+ M3 is the same car / design as the 2009 M3. Yes, the non-M 3 series were re-designed for 2012, but the new M3 is another year out. If you like the design of the 2012 M3, then you like the design of the 2009. In which case, by a used M3! Don’t know how long term your plans are for ownership, but my ’01 M5 didn’t have too many maintenance needs until after 100k miles. Mileage was crap, but “meh, who cares?” I seriously considered picking up a CPO M3, but the backseat is much tighter than the F30 335i, which ruled it out for baby car seat reasons…
That being said, I would seriously consider a C63 AMG over a new 3 series if it came with a proper manual transmission, but it doesn’t. They’re pretty sweet cars, though.

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If you can't drive fast with 240hp, an extra 160+hp isn't going to do you any good.
At what point did the OP say he couldn’t drive fast with 240hp, or any other power level?!
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The biggest improvement in a car's performance comes down to just one part, the screw behind the steering wheel. As they told us at my first track school, even those on the track in an M3 would be passed by a Ford Fiesta driven by Michael Schumacher. Improve the driver first.
Same here, I don’t get why this is most people’s default response to anyone’s discussion of wanting a car with more power. It especially seems to be true of guys with some amount of track experience.
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If so, why even ask the question?

I happen to think the C63 a very good looking car for its intended purpose. It seems obvious the OP is less interested in performance, rather for the car's daily duty value.

Nothing wrong with that, neither the C63, nor the M3 is strong in DD value. They should never have entered the equation.
I made up my mind after I read some comments, I am interested in performance, I can tune up the BMW and it will have close to 400 HP, and I will have a nice looking car with better gas milage, less maintenance, lower milage. Yes it's going to be a daily car so the 3 series will fit better, I just would never compare the MB C300 with a 3 series, so I had to compare it with a C63, I guess I just fell in love with that AMG sound

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I can tune up the BMW and it will have close to 400 HP
uuuhhh....no. If you tune the 328 it may get "close" to 300 but nowhere near 400.
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uuuhhh....no. If you tune the 328 it may get "close" to 300 but nowhere near 400.
It depends on if you mean whp or crank hp. 400hp at the crank either way will require more than a tune, and will need a bigger turbo. 300hp at the wheels is no problem, that is being achieved on a tune with E85, no hardware changes.
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