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Old 02-03-2018, 01:33 PM
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Looking at a New 2018 to Replace my 2013

I live in Chicago, and I have a 2013 328xi, pretty loaded. My wife has a 2008 328xi that's starting to get wonky enough to where she's ready to turn it in, I'll buy a new 2018, she'll take my 2013 (she doesn't drive as much as I do).

The main thing I am looking for, to start with, is a way to quickly differentiate between my different options for the new car, and how the new one differs from what I have now. Specifically:
  • I am considering getting either a 330i xDrive or a 340i xDrive (I live in snow country so I need xDrive). What is the best page/site/thread to quickly review the differences between the two? I found this on the site: 340i Performance vs 330i/328i. It's seems a bit tailored to one guy's experience regarding performance, so is there another one, or a more informative and conprehensive one, I could review as well?
  • I have a 2013, and I assume there have been some significant changes to the 3-series in the ensuing five model years. Is there a fairly central resource I can consult to understand what those changes are, versus looking up five years of updates? That is, is there a single place I can review the changes that have taken place between 2013 and 2018?
I appreciate the help. Thank you!
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Old 02-03-2018, 01:54 PM
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Look for LCI changes made in 2016.

Get the 340i. The B48 is not a good engine even compared to the N20.

N20: http://files.dinancars.com/webresour...440-0010_7.jpg
B48: http://files.dinancars.com/webresour...440-0047_8.png
B58: http://files.dinancars.com/webresour...440-0047_7.jpg

The B58 wallops the I4 turbo engines.
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Look for LCI changes made in 2016.

Get the 340i. The B48 is not a good engine even compared to the N20.

N20: http://files.dinancars.com/webresour...440-0010_7.jpg
B48: http://files.dinancars.com/webresour...440-0047_8.png
B58: http://files.dinancars.com/webresour...440-0047_7.jpg

The B58 wallops the I4 turbo engines.
Thanks for the resource, and the tip on the 340.
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To me, there hasn't been that much change since 2013.
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I got a 340 xDrive recently with the M package with adaptive suspension. This package is very fun to drive and that engine just pulls.

I had been looking at 335s in '15 and '16 but the numb steering bugged me a lot. I'd always complain to the sales guy after the test drive. No complaints after driving the 340. I didn't even consider the 330. I recommend it, especially with generous factory discounts now.


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I live in Chicago, and I have a 2013 328xi, pretty loaded. My wife has a 2008 328xi that's starting to get wonky enough to where she's ready to turn it in, I'll buy a new 2018, she'll take my 2013 (she doesn't drive as much as I do).

The main thing I am looking for, to start with, is a way to quickly differentiate between my different options for the new car, and how the new one differs from what I have now. Specifically:
  • I am considering getting either a 330i xDrive or a 340i xDrive (I live in snow country so I need xDrive). What is the best page/site/thread to quickly review the differences between the two? I found this on the site: 340i Performance vs 330i/328i. It's seems a bit tailored to one guy's experience regarding performance, so is there another one, or a more informative and conprehensive one, I could review as well?
  • I have a 2013, and I assume there have been some significant changes to the 3-series in the ensuing five model years. Is there a fairly central resource I can consult to understand what those changes are, versus looking up five years of updates? That is, is there a single place I can review the changes that have taken place between 2013 and 2018?
I appreciate the help. Thank you!
I was in a similar situation two month ago. Our 2015 328 xDrive was ready to go back to BMWFS and we were deciding what car to replace it with.

A 330 xDrive would be a natural successor but unfortunately it turned out to be less powerful than our old 328 especially at lower RPM.
On the other hand 330 seemed to be stronger at higher (over 5,500) RMP. In a sense 330 engine was more like a naturally aspirated motor is.

Another factor, 328 was mostly driven by my wife but the replacement was going to become my car and we both agree that it should be more fun and more powerful than the old car was, so we got the 340.

As you for sure know 2015 328 was pre-LCI model and 2018 340 is LCI.
Comparing the two cars I have to admit I never liked the old 328.
It had the basic xDrive suspension and somewhat vague steering. I also did not like the brakes.
It was powerful though (N26). Lots of low end torque and overall surprisingly powerful for a car with a tiny 2.0 liter engine.
I kept telling my wife that the thing pulls like a V8.

The new car has a much better suspension (LCI changes or maybe because it is adaptive), noticeably better steering feel and better brakes (or is it my imagination?).
But the biggest difference is the engine.
Yes it is a little too noisy at lower RPM (I would prefer it to be completely silent below 4,000) and lacks the low end torque of N26 (there is not enough below 3,000 RPM to move it quickly from a stop light) but it is a beast above 4,000 RPM and it sounds so good at those engine speeds.
As the engine in 330 it feels more like a naturally aspirated that a turbo engine.
Have to admit that my experience with turbos is limited to our 328 and in my understanding turbo means lots of torque right above idle and not much above 5,500 RPM.

Price wise the 340 is about 10% more than 328 was but if you ask me the engine alone justifies the difference.
Add the adaptive suspension that is more comfortable and at the same time much less bouncy that the base suspension in 328 was,
the fact that 340 feels lighter and more nimble (this caught me by surprise), a better, though somewhat artificial, steering and better brakes and 340 becomes a very nice car and a much better choice.

All in all I do like the new car and I did not like the old one.
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Old 02-04-2018, 10:21 AM
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I was in a similar situation two month ago. Our 2015 328 xDrive was ready to go back to BMWFS and we were deciding what car to replace it with.

A 330 xDrive would be a natural successor but unfortunately it turned out to be less powerful than our old 328 especially at lower RPM.
On the other hand 330 seemed to be stronger at higher (over 5,500) RMP. In a sense 330 engine was more like a naturally aspirated motor is.

Another factor, 328 was mostly driven by my wife but the replacement was going to become my car and we both agree that it should be more fun and more powerful than the old car was, so we got the 340.

As you for sure know 2015 328 was pre-LCI model and 2018 340 is LCI.
Comparing the two cars I have to admit I never liked the old 328.
It had the basic xDrive suspension and somewhat vague steering. I also did not like the brakes.
It was powerful though (N26). Lots of low end torque and overall surprisingly powerful for a car with a tiny 2.0 liter engine.
I kept telling my wife that the thing pulls like a V8.

The new car has a much better suspension (LCI changes or maybe because it is adaptive), noticeably better steering feel and better brakes (or is it my imagination?).
But the biggest difference is the engine.
Yes it is a little too noisy at lower RPM (I would prefer it to be completely silent below 4,000) and lacks the low end torque of N26 (there is not enough below 3,000 RPM to move it quickly from a stop light) but it is a beast above 4,000 RPM and it sounds so good at those engine speeds.
As the engine in 330 it feels more like a naturally aspirated that a turbo engine.
Have to admit that my experience with turbos is limited to our 328 and in my understanding turbo means lots of torque right above idle and not much above 5,500 RPM.

Price wise the 340 is about 10% more than 328 was but if you ask me the engine alone justifies the difference.
Add the adaptive suspension that is more comfortable and at the same time much less bouncy that the base suspension in 328 was,
the fact that 340 feels lighter and more nimble (this caught me by surprise), a better, though somewhat artificial, steering and better brakes and 340 becomes a very nice car and a much better choice.

All in all I do like the new car and I did not like the old one.
Great overview! Thanks!

I like my '13 328. It is hands down the best car I've ever owned, which also includes my '09 328 and my '03 Infiniti G35, both of which I loved, and two of the reasons are (1) great pickup from a stop, or from any speed; and (2) the adaptive suspension I got on it. The Comfort mode makes it super easy to go over little bumps in the road at a decent speed, where other cars in front of me routinely slow down almost to a stop to go over those same bumps; whereas the Sport mode allows me to take curves and bends in the road much faster than at state-recommended speeds.

The get-up-and-go is important because every single car I had before, including my '09 328, had objectively s***ty pickup. Even my wife's '08 328 has really good pickup, so why my '09 didn't is a mystery to me.

I hope your issue with the low end torque is unique to your unit, because I would miss the ability to take off from a light with authority sometimes.
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I am also interested in changes in the aesthetics and functionality of the cockpit, in terms of whether the controls are in different places, how the tech is different (especially the middle screen), steering wheel controls, improvements or declensions in available options, things that are easier/harder to use, etc. Can anybody hold forth on any of this?

For example, one big difference between my '09 and '13 is that they moved the sound system controls from the left side of the steering wheel to the right, and put cruise control on the left. I disliked this because it was easy for me on the '09 to control the volume with my left hand while maintaining my elbow on the arm rest of the door. Now I have to reach out with my right hand to fix volume on the wheel or on the radio. A First World problem, I understand, but it's less user friendly to me now.

Also, looking at available options, I was able to get automatic brights as an a la carte option for $250 back in '13. Now I guess I have to get the entire Performance Package, which includes things I don't care about like cameras, in order to get that?

I'm looking for feedback on this kind of thing, too. Thanks.
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To me, there hasn't been that much change since 2013.
This! While my 2015 335i was being worked on I drove a 2018 440i Grand Coupe loaner car for a week. Not really to much difference between the 2 cars (except the hatchback on the 440i). The F3X has basically been the same car since 2013 with just minor trim improvements and a few more HP.
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I love threads like this, it brings the snobbish out in people... Don't get a 330i it has a 4 cyl get the 340i it has a 6 cyl. Oh please, people grow up.

OP, this is your call, go test drive both cars and you make the choice, you have people on this forum who do not have a problem driving 64K 3 series (fully loaded 340i). It's your money and budget. But I have a 330i (not xDrive) and I really like. It has plenty of power for everyday driving, it's smooth, comfortable and gets pretty MPG. There were improvements made 2016+ and some of the packages have changed, but overall I always have a smile while driving my 4 cyl BMW. So you can't go wrong with either car, it's your budget that will dictate what you will drive.
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I love threads like this, it brings the snobbish out in people... Don't get a 330i it has a 4 cyl get the 340i it has a 6 cyl. Oh please, people grow up.

OP, this is your call, go test drive both cars and you make the choice, you have people on this forum who do not have a problem driving 64K 3 series (fully loaded 340i). It's your money and budget. But I have a 330i (not xDrive) and I really like. It has plenty of power for everyday driving, it's smooth, comfortable and gets pretty MPG. There were improvements made 2016+ and some of the packages have changed, but overall I always have a smile while driving my 4 cyl BMW. So you can't go wrong with either car, it's your budget that will dictate what you will drive.
I personally do not have any issues with driving a 4 cyl BMW. If you ask me a RWD 330 with the M Sport suspension is the car I would prefer for my daily driving.
As you said the new engine is smooth (smother than the old N20/N26), it has sufficient power, 50%-50% weight distribution and is much lighter that 340 xDrive I've got.

Unfortunately in my neck of the woods it was almost impossible to find a 330 with M Sport with adaptive suspension and absolutely impossible to find a RWD one.

I build a 2018 330 RWD with just the basic options I needed (M Sport, premium, Heated steering) and if was just over $50K.
Unfortunately the only 330 I found in the 100 miles radius form my house that would work for me was an xDrive with M Sport and AS and the MSRP was $57,750.
Our 340 xDrive had an MSRP of $58,785 (again just the basic must have for me options) and to my surprise a deal I was offered on the 340 (even in absolute numbers) was better that the deal on that well optioned 330.

I decided to go with 340. A 330 would be at least as much fun as 340 is and it would be in a sense a safer (ticket wise) fun.
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I personally do not have any issues with driving a 4 cyl BMW. If you ask me a RWD 330 with the M Sport suspension is the car I would prefer for my daily driving.
As you said the new engine is smooth (smother than the old N20/N26), it has sufficient power, 50%-50% weight distribution and is much lighter that 340 xDrive I've got.

Unfortunately in my neck of the woods it was almost impossible to find a 330 with M Sport with adaptive suspension and absolutely impossible to find a RWD one.

I build a 2018 330 RWD with just the basic options I needed (M Sport, premium, Heated steering) and if was just over $50K.
Unfortunately the only 330 I found in the 100 miles radius form my house that would work for me was an xDrive with M Sport and AS and the MSRP was $57,750.
Our 340 xDrive had an MSRP of $58,785 (again just the basic must have for me options) and to my surprise a deal I was offered on the 340 (even in absolute numbers) was better that the deal on that well optioned 330.

I decided to go with 340. A 330 would be at least as much fun as 340 is and it would be in a sense a safer (ticket wise) fun.
I think you miss the point of my post, there are people who have and will post that the only 3 series to get is the 340 because of the 6 cyl.

Regarding prices, I'm not too sure where you get 50K for a 330i RWD with M Sport, Premium and Heated seats. I get 46K. My 2017 has,18' summer tires, Premium, Nav, heated seats and Apple Car play and MSRP was 47.
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I think you miss the point of my post, there are people who have and will post that the only 3 series to get is the 340 because of the 6 cyl.

Regarding prices, I'm not too sure where you get 50K for a 330i RWD with M Sport, Premium and Heated seats. I get 46K. My 2017 has,18' summer tires, Premium, Nav, heated seats and Apple Car play and MSRP was 47.
At the moment most people, even enthusiast and even in US, got used to 4 cyl BMWs. Honestly with most roads speed limits at or below 65 mph 340 is an overkill.
I commonly find myself doing close to 100mph in my 340 and unless I get this under control it is only a matter of time before I get a major ticked.
Luckily in NY and NJ they don't arrest people for speeding. We must have enough real criminals here so speeders get a break.

As to the pricing, just checked my old records and here it is.
330i Sedan
Base MSRP $40,250
M Sport Design $4,750
Premium Package $2,900
Glacier Silver Metallic $550
Black Dakota Leather with Dark Oyster highlight $1,450
Heated Steering Wheel $190
Destination + Handling $995
TOTAL MSRP as Built $51,085

M Sport package was very expensive but it was one of my must have options. The M Sport steering and M Sport suspension easily justify the price for me. I id not care about the cosmetic stuff much.
The only option I would happily drop from the above list was the silver color. Our old 328 was white and we liked it just fine. That would drop the price to $50,500 but that about it.
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I live in Chicago, and I have a 2013 328xi, pretty loaded. My wife has a 2008 328xi that's starting to get wonky enough to where she's ready to turn it in, I'll buy a new 2018, she'll take my 2013 (she doesn't drive as much as I do).

The main thing I am looking for, to start with, is a way to quickly differentiate between my different options for the new car, and how the new one differs from what I have now. Specifically:
  • I am considering getting either a 330i xDrive or a 340i xDrive (I live in snow country so I need xDrive). What is the best page/site/thread to quickly review the differences between the two? I found this on the site: 340i Performance vs 330i/328i. It's seems a bit tailored to one guy's experience regarding performance, so is there another one, or a more informative and conprehensive one, I could review as well?
  • I have a 2013, and I assume there have been some significant changes to the 3-series in the ensuing five model years. Is there a fairly central resource I can consult to understand what those changes are, versus looking up five years of updates? That is, is there a single place I can review the changes that have taken place between 2013 and 2018?
I appreciate the help. Thank you!
once you find the LCI changes, for MY 2018 they also added a new color a really nice orange, and the option to get the digital dash. the idrive has also been updated to include a touchscreen.
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I love threads like this, it brings the snobbish out in people... Don't get a 330i it has a 4 cyl get the 340i it has a 6 cyl. Oh please, people grow up.

OP, this is your call, go test drive both cars and you make the choice, you have people on this forum who do not have a problem driving 64K 3 series (fully loaded 340i). It's your money and budget. But I have a 330i (not xDrive) and I really like. It has plenty of power for everyday driving, it's smooth, comfortable and gets pretty MPG. There were improvements made 2016+ and some of the packages have changed, but overall I always have a smile while driving my 4 cyl BMW. So you can't go wrong with either car, it's your budget that will dictate what you will drive.
This is so very true, I too find it so amusing .
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Look for LCI changes made in 2016.

Get the 340i. The B48 is not a good engine even compared to the N20.

N20: http://files.dinancars.com/webresour...440-0010_7.jpg
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The B58 wallops the I4 turbo engines.
In what aspect ? I drove the F30 330i, and it feels more refined with a better engine tone.
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By this time, they have somewhat worked out all the issues with the F30, and now they have an updated motor. I would get it fully loaded with 'M' package and Enhanced premium package.
This will be the LCI model, but inside not that many changes except the i-drive will be updated, the instrument cluster time in on the right hand side, and the knobs/signal have a different feel to them. Oh yeah, the chime is different too.

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once you find the LCI changes, for MY 2018 they also added a new color a really nice orange, and the option to get the digital dash. the idrive has also been updated to include a touchscreen.
Thanks for the overview.

When you say "idrive has also been updated to include a touchscreen", do you mean touchscreen has been added as an option alongside the knob? Or that touchscreen replaced the knob?
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If I had to sell my car before 2020 I'd opt for a 2018 F3x but wait until the G2x is introduced this summer. My 2013 M Sport still feels new. But I'll consider a 2020 (or later G20) as well as the competition because I'll be ready for a new car by then. I would hesitate buying a first year G2x because the early model kinks will not yet have been worked out.
Waiting till 2020 for a third-year G2* may mean OP needs to put money into the 2008, while the last model year of F30 will be relatively bug free and have great discounts.

My MY13 328i still runs great, other than potential TC issue there seems to be no known weak points so far. No heroic cooling system overhaul, no VANOS rebuild, maybe one or two mentioning of OFHG(VCG is covered 15-yr/150k-mile), online forums are very quiet as far as F30 reliability is concerned.
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Thanks for the overview.

When you say "idrive has also been updated to include a touchscreen", do you mean touchscreen has been added as an option alongside the knob? Or that touchscreen replaced the knob?
Both are present. The ability to choose menu items with your fingers have been added. You can also set the order in which smaller windows appear on the screen an their titles, if I am not mistaken.
Honestly, I could not care less about these changes along with "nobody can notice them" LCI exterior changes.
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In what aspect ? I drove the F30 330i, and it feels more refined with a better engine tone.
higher hp and tq across all rpm on the N20/N26.

It's significant at 4000 rpm:

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B48: 202 266
N20: 221 290

Measured by Dinan at the crank. And slower 0-60 times recorded by reputable publications

Again, avoid the current B48. A revised higher output B48 is planned for the G20 and later MY of the X3
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higher hp and tq across all rpm on the N20/N26.

It's significant at 4000 rpm:

HP TQ
B48: 202 266
N20: 221 290

Measured by Dinan at the crank. And slower 0-60 times recorded by reputable publications

Again, avoid the current B48. A revised higher output B48 is planned for the G20 and later MY of the X3
If I am not mistaken N26 engine has even more torque at lower RPM than N20.
Honestly, it feels to me that our old 328 with N26 engine had more torque below 4000 RMP than our new 340 with B58 has.

Except for the sound and vibration the old 4 cyl engines were better than the new one is.
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Thanks for the overview.

When you say "idrive has also been updated to include a touchscreen", do you mean touchscreen has been added as an option alongside the knob? Or that touchscreen replaced the knob?
Newly updated idrive system, and navigation. You can actually now input destination through voice command. Sharper graphics, and ease of use. The knob is bigger, ever since 2014 model.
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