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2014 535d (US) muffler same as 2011 528i...?

In my quest to find an aftermarket replacement muffler for my 2014 535d I keep ending up on SuperSprints website. When I go through the prompts for my specific model:
  • BMW
  • 5 Series
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  • 535d/535dx US Model 2013 - 2016

I am referred to this PN for a muffler: 982706
https://www.supersprint.com/ww-en/bm...o80-v4.aspx#!/

When I tried to verify fit with their US distributor, Turner Motorsports, the product info on the Turner website listed it for a 2011 528i.

And when I look up a 2011 528i on SuperSprint, using their prompts again
  • BMW
  • 5 Series
  • F10/F11
  • 528i 2009 - 2013


    I get the same PN, 982706
    https://www.supersprint.com/ww-en/bm...o80-v4.aspx#!/


    So is this news to me or is this common knowledge that the mufflers are interchangeable? Based on the pics the hangers look correct... If thats the case then would it be accross the board with other manufacturers?

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That is not a BMW part number.
Go to www.realoem.com
Input your VIN and drill down for the part and number.
It should also list any cross compatibility.
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Per BMW, the PN's are different and do not cross:
  • 535d: 18307823926
  • 528i: 18307646923

...but I wouldn't expect BMW's PNs to cross.

That still doesn't answer why SuperSprints are the same.
  • 535d: 982706
  • 528i: 982706
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That would be an error on their side.
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Per BMW, the PN's are different and do not cross:
  • 535d: 18307823926
  • 528i: 18307646923

...but I wouldn't expect BMW's PNs to cross.

That still doesn't answer why SuperSprints are the same.
  • 535d: 982706
  • 528i: 982706
I am not a mechanic and do not necessarily know a great deal about engines and their exhaust systems, but how could an exhaust for a 4 cylinder gasoline engine be the same as that of a 6 cylinder diesel engine? The physics of the engines are not the same...
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Mufflers / silencers / resonators don't matter so much behind a turbocharger or two. The physics are precisely the same.

Once upon a long time ago, (wow) fifty years ago, I wanted a 'better' higher performance muffler for my 911. I had good inside dope for being acquainted with a couple of successful Porsche racers. We cut a 2" hole in the interior and patched the access. Same muffler when I sold it.
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Per BMW, the PN's are different and do not cross:
  • 535d: 18307823926
  • 528i: 18307646923

...but I wouldn't expect BMW's PNs to cross.

That still doesn't answer why SuperSprints are the same.
  • 535d: 982706
  • 528i: 982706
How alike or different are these two mufflers/exhausts? BMW may have different part nbrs to accommodate for some small variances/differences (which you can visually see in the diagrams of each muffler below)...where as SuperSprint may use a generic design that can be adapted to fit into multiple configurations.

{535d: 18307823926}




{528i: 18307646923}



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Hola Dos Bimmers,

Is your Muffler kaputt or you just looking for a different sound ?

Not easy to make a Diesel sound better based on experience here in Diesel Land...

There are sound generators available (Google it) but itís still sounds pretty much like a annoying Riverboat Motor in the end... just my 2 cents...
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I am not a mechanic and do not necessarily know a great deal about engines and their exhaust systems, but how could an exhaust for a 4 cylinder gasoline engine be the same as that of a 6 cylinder diesel engine? The physics of the engines are not the same...
BMW F10/F11 528i N52N/N53 engine-6 cyl.

We're also only talking about the muffler, not the entire exhaust system.
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Hola Dos Bimmers,
Is your Muffler kaputt or you just looking for a different sound ?
Not easy to make a Diesel sound better based on experience here in Diesel Land...
There are sound generators available (Google it) but itís still sounds pretty much like a annoying Riverboat Motor in the end... just my 2 cents...
Not kaput, just looking to tune things up a bit...and not just for sound.

I was just considering cutting the muffler off, emissions are a non-issue for me, but thought Id look for something that is a little more free flowing first. Any sound variation from that is just a byproduct.
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How alike or different are these two mufflers/exhausts? BMW may have different part nbrs to accommodate for some small variances/differences (which you can visually see in the diagrams of each muffler below)...where as SuperSprint may use a generic design that can be adapted to fit into multiple configurations.

They are alike enough for me to think that your theory is plausible.

I have emails to both SuperSprint and Turner Motorsports asking for clarification.

If, as wcr3d says:

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That would be an error on their side.
Which one is listed in error...?
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Here is the response I received from Turner Motorsport:

From: Ian Shea
Date: June 2, 2020 at 9:02:10 AM MST
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Subject: RE: Supersprint Order: 664-025-648

Hi JMG,

Same muffler for the 528i as well Ė looks like it is used on a few 5 series models. I did find that it will require a connecting pipe in most applications that is not included. So that I can get you pricing on this, can you provide me with the last 7 of your VIN so I can confirm fitment for all items needed please?

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Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 11:08 AM
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Subject: Re: Supersprint Order: 664-025-648

Ian,

Thank you for the update however I do have a question:

SuperSprint shows the same muffler part number for a 2011 528i: 982706. Can you confirm that information is correct? If so, then SuperSprint recommends the same muffler for both applications?

JMG

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 6:01 AM Ian Shea wrote:
Hello JMG

Supersprint passed your information along as we are the North American distributor for their products. We have entered the order into our system (order# 664-025-648) and sent a PayPal request as well as a copy of the order to your email inbox. If you need to change the payment method please call us directly at 978.388.7769 ext 3.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

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Either one you go for will make no difference in sound.
That is what they are designed for.
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Either one you go for will make no difference in sound.
That is what they are designed for.
Hence the name: muffler, right?

I'm not after sound. Otherwise I'd straight pipe it or install an electronic cutout....and save a sheet ton of money.
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I guess I'm lost as in what you are trying to achieve?
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I guess I'm lost as in what you are trying to achieve?
What difference does it make? Maybe I just want a shinny new muffler?

My question was simply: Is SuperSprint PN:982706 interchangeable between the 528i and the 535d? The answer now seems to be yes. I was expecting that to be the outcome and just figured Id share that tidbit of info in case someone else found them self in my shoes.

After searching threads on this for awhile, why does it seem as though most people in here want to poop on any 535d owner asking about performance upgrades? It seems the common response is Its just a diesel, not a V8...leave it alone.
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Another one joins the list.
I didn't see any of what you suggest, just people trying to help.
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On these Diesels no way to make better sound unless you use a sound generator. They sound terrible with no or reworked muffler, but it will certainly turn heads wondering WTF is making that ugly noise.

For performance gains the muffler itself is not at all the back pressure point, only with Catless down pipes and removing the DPF will show anything and that only with serious Chip tuning that takes advantage of the decreased back pressure...

We have seen 400 HP with all open = larger Intercooler and Turbo's, Downpipes and DPF removed. Illegal and it generates noticeable black smoke on heavy acceleration but some do it anyway over here.
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On these Diesels no way to make better sound unless you use a sound generator. They sound terrible with no or reworked muffler, but it will certainly turn heads wondering WTF is making that ugly noise.

For performance gains the muffler itself is not at all the back pressure point, only with Catless down pipes and removing the DPF will show anything and that only with serious Chip tuning that takes advantage of the decreased back pressure...

We have seen 400 HP with all open = larger Intercooler and Turbo's, Downpipes and DPF removed. Illegal and it generates noticeable black smoke on heavy acceleration but some do it anyway over here.
Agreed on almost every point, although sound is subjective.

I am not subject to emissions so eventually I may work my way to a catless downpipe, SCR/DPF delete, intercooler, higher tune (currently have RaceChip RS and XLR). I absolutely love driving this car and not 100% sure how far I want to take it just yet.

I am ordering the muffler once Turner confirms the need for any additional parts. I will follow up in this post when it arrives with before/after pics/vids.
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Just added a SuperSprint dpf delete downpipe to this order too, PN: 989511
https://www.supersprint.com/ww-en/bm...filter.aspx#!/

There seems to be some confusion as to whether or not it will fit a US N57 though. SuperSprint does list it as such and Turner Motorsports confirmed. Another vendor told me it will have an extra bung, easily plugged, but need a flange on the bottom. Turner has these for nearly half price of MSRP so even if I have a flange welded on Im still coming out ahead.

Now its time to start shopping for a DDE/ECU tune...
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If anybody in here is interested in a RaceChip set up for their 535d...

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1384607
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