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Here's an accurate and timely world dataset: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...y-country-view
It's being used in this research: https://www.iarpa.gov/index.php/research-programs/focus

Cases in the US are doubling every three days. If that holds for much longer the total number of deaths by April 25 will be a really ugly number.
The White House daily press briefings mentioned that they will start to test for antibody to account for un-diagnosed yet recovered people.

The current US mortality rate appears to stay low, which might be explained by the infected demographics, e.g. in NY, half of diagnosed cases are "young"(less than 45?, not sure).

There is a chance that this virus can become virulent and start killing off young folks too, so it does not make sense to me to "unlock"(and let elders take the blunt), unless proven treatment and/or vaccine are readily available.
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As mentioned many posts ago, this is going to be a long road. For now it is a month or so ahead but it will turn into a 6 month, 12 month, 18 month plan. It’s best to act quickly at 80% lockdown rather than 100% lockdown too late. Many medical services are on standby awaiting reassignment to emergencies related to this virus.


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Another Red Badge of Courage

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/...e-coronavirus/
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COVID-19 is like a Red Badge of Courage for people like her. You gain more virtue points.

"The Red Badge of Courage is a war novel by American author Stephen Crane. Taking place during the American Civil War, the story is about a young private of the Union Army, Henry Fleming, who flees from the field of battle. Overcome with shame, he longs for a wound, a "red badge of courage," to counteract his cowardice. When his regiment once again faces the enemy, Henry acts as standard-bearer, who carries a flag.

The author of Red Badge of Courage (published 1894), Stephen Crane poignantly wrote in a letter to a friend, ""You can tell nothing….. unless you are in that condition yourself….." .

We see Greta and her handlers understand that we are living though this COVID-19 epidemic point in history and they do not want have "this condition" pass them by and miss and opportunity get another Scout badge on their label to wear for everyone to see, a "badge of Courage" to talk about as if gaining some wisdom by it.
A mental virus became a meme. Like IQ, only those that have it speak of it, all others deny it and its significance. Like radiation exposure ...
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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...wns-and-other#

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Hey, we're number one:
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/0...navirus-cases/

This is exponential math. An exponential curve will transition to a logistical curve by nature of exhausting the population if left unchecked.

This **** is going to get real.
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Here's a NYT article with a cool, multi-variable model of the pandemic in the U.S. GIGO applies here, but you can slide the variables around and it seems that early, hard, and long intervention makes things better. Early intervention is (was) cheaper than hard intervention, and hard intervention is probably cheaper than long intervention.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...p_id=460119035

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Did you migrate back north yet?

I used to enjoy my 1500 mile road trips, mostly Bubbaville to Cape Code or Newport.
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...early, hard, and long intervention makes things better....
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...p_id=460119035
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For the hypertension crowd:
The SARS beta coronaviruses, SARS-CoV, which caused the SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) outbreak in 2003 and the new SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, bind to angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptors in the lower respiratory tracts of infected patients to gain entry into the lungs. Viral pneumonia and potentially fatal respiratory failure may result in susceptible persons after 10-14 days.

"Angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors (ACEIs) and angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs) are highly recommended medications for patients with cardiovascular diseases including heart attacks, high blood pressure, diabetes and chronic kidney disease to name a few," notes Dr. Diaz. "Many of those who develop these diseases are older adults. They are prescribed these medications and take them every day."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0323101354.htm
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0688-y
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The SARS beta coronaviruses, SARS-CoV, which caused the SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) outbreak in 2003 and the new SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, bind to angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptors in the lower respiratory tracts of infected patients to gain entry into the lungs. Viral pneumonia and potentially fatal respiratory failure may result in susceptible persons after 10-14 days.

"Angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors (ACEIs) and angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs) are highly recommended medications for patients with cardiovascular diseases including heart attacks, high blood pressure, diabetes and chronic kidney disease to name a few," notes Dr. Diaz. "Many of those who develop these diseases are older adults. They are prescribed these medications and take them every day."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0323101354.htm
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0688-y
Very interesting.

Id read there as an increased risk with uncontrolled hypertension, this is quite a different twist.

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The SARS beta coronaviruses, SARS-CoV, which caused the SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) outbreak in 2003 and the new SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, bind to angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptors in the lower respiratory tracts of infected patients to gain entry into the lungs. Viral pneumonia and potentially fatal respiratory failure may result in susceptible persons after 10-14 days.

"Angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors (ACEIs) and angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs) are highly recommended medications for patients with cardiovascular diseases including heart attacks, high blood pressure, diabetes and chronic kidney disease to name a few," notes Dr. Diaz. "Many of those who develop these diseases are older adults. They are prescribed these medications and take them every day."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0323101354.htm
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0688-y
Fascinating, so those that take medication with pre-existing conditions actually can fend off SARS-CoV-2, right?

So does that mean the Italian elders lost to COVID-19 were too healthy, hence they did not have daily prescriptions that could have stopped the virus?
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This one is certainly attention grabbing...

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...03.11.987958v1

https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/en/20...gainst-corona/
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SARS-CoV-19 ACE2 metabolism is covered in depth in the Ninja Nerd Medicine YT video above. Much of the point of understanding metabolic pathways like that is to leverage ones own peculiarities.

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As a transmembrane protein, ACE2 serves as the main entry point into cells for some coronaviruses, including HCoV-NL63,[5] SARS-CoV, the virus that causes SARS,[17][18][19] and SARS-CoV-2,[20] the virus that causes COVID-19.[21][22][23][24]

This might lead some to believe that decreasing the levels of ACE2, in cells, might help in fighting the infection. On the other hand, ACE2 has been shown to have a protective effect against virus-induced lung injury by increasing the production of the vasodilator angiotensin 1–7.[25][non-primary source needed]

Furthermore, according to studies conducted on mice, the interaction of the spike protein of the coronavirus with ACE2 induces a drop in the levels of ACE2 in cells through internalization and degradation of the protein and hence may contribute to lung damage.[19][26][27]

Both ACE inhibitors and angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs) that are used to treat high blood pressure have been shown in rodent studies to upregulate ACE2 expression hence may affect the severity of coronavirus infections.[28][29] However, multiple regulatory bodies have recommended continuing standard ACE inhibitor and ARB therapy.[30] A systematic review and meta-analysis found that "use of ACE inhibitors was associated with a significant 34% reduction in risk of pneumonia compared with controls." and "The risk of pneumonia was also reduced in patients treated with ACE inhibitors who were at higher risk of pneumonia, in particular those with stroke and heart failure. Use of ACE inhibitors was also associated with a reduction in pneumonia related mortality, although the results were less robust than for overall risk of pneumonia."[31][FN in the original][my emphasis]
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What exactly is human monoclonal antibody? Is it synthesized or extracted from one person and transferred to another?
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Spoiler alert: This is a totally non-political comment. (I think the proper term is apolitical, but I worry some might think the "a" was a typo.

All of the doom and gloom prognoses have been based on the Imperial College of London's analysis of WHO data. Now, the Imperial College is walking back their analysis: https://fee.org/articles/oxford-base...citing-errors/. Imperial College has now down-graded their projection of UK deaths from 500,000 to 20,000. A fact that was confirmed by Dr. Birx:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

Meanwhile, Everyone's Favorite Doctor just published an article in the New England Journal of Medicine stating:

"This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%)"

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

And miraculously, less than 24 hours after AG Barr warned folks who were hoarding medical supplies to expect "us knocking at your door", a union in California miraculously discovered 39 million medical masks. Which they are selling to hospitals at an insane mark up. While we cannot make any reference to politics, it could be interesting to explore whether that union makes significant political contributions. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...fter-hoarders/

We all saw these stories on the Evening News, right? We're being treated like adults, being given differing points of views and being allowed to form our own opinions, right? (If not, should we be asking "Why"?)

Look I am not a medical expert or an incredibly brilliant engineer like Dougie or Putzer. I am not in any position to decide what is factual and what is fake news - or worse. All I'm suggesting is that we might be getting force-fed one particular side of the story. There is just a whole lot here that does not pass the smell test.

I grew up watching Chet Huntley and David Brinkley, and I trusted the media. Now? My working hypothesis is that every media outlet is lying through its teeth trying to advance a particular agenda.
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What exactly is human monoclonal antibody? Is it synthesized or extracted from one person and transferred to another?
There are classes of drugs that target specific disease cells by incorporating a matching ‘key’ (it the antibody) into the drug molecule to allow it to target specific disease cells or virus. Once it locks on, it then ‘flags’ that item for attack by the body’s immune system.

Take some of the new hepatitis drugs, (tend to end in -vir), which will attack and clear a person of 100% of the disease.

(Google is your friend)

It is my understanding that they find these by isolating bits of proteins from infected people or cells...then amplify these bouts, catalog, and try to find if any of them show unique affinities.
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Look I am not a medical expert or an incredibly brilliant engineer like Dougie or Putzer. I am not in any position to decide what is factual and what is fake news - or worse. All I'm suggesting is that we might be getting force-fed one particular side of the story. There is just a whole lot here that does not pass the smell test.
The lack of urgency in US response early on(as in no all-out efforts) seems to stem from the general belief that COVID-19 is not worse than common flu.

From the numbers so far, the average mortaligy can be around 1-2%(good case), which is still 10% higher than the worst flu season(2017-2018 had 80k flu deaths in US).

The issue all along is that seasonal flu(of which the Spanish flu is one of the recurrent strains) has vaccine and therapeutics available.

Despite the virulence of seasonal flu, there is projected death toll(dependent if the educated guess is correct for that season), and project seasonality(dying down April/May). Those predictability is not available for COVID-19.
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A human monoclonal antibody blocking SARS-CoV-2 infection. Why would it be worthy of comment. The big ongoing push is and will be growing AB.

There is recent news suggesting that the virus has not mutated significantly since first characterized. That’ll be the difference between being cold-like, mutating too fast to vaccinate, and being flu-like amenable to vaccination.

People are dreaming of bringing pharmaceutical production (back) to the US. I believe that will take a sea-change mind set in the technician population to disciplined attention to detail. Look to the difficulties manning up Foxconn chip production.
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Meanwhile, Everyone's Favorite Doctor just published an article in the New England Journal of Medicine stating:

"This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%)"

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387.
You clipped that quote in a way that distorts what he was saying. I'm sure inadvertently....



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This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively
(Bolding mine)

He was saying it is MORE 'akin' to the flu rather than merS/sars at 9, 10 and 36%.

I assume your quote was intimating that it is 'more akin to the flu than it is to the 1.5-2%death rate everyone is hysterical about'? (Which isn't what he is saying...)

WILL it be less than 2? Less than 1.5? Less than 1 even? Perhaps. Does that make the hospitals 'wrong' as they somehow will with critically sick patients, become overwhelmed? Do we say "Hospital, the death rate was overhyped, it is only 0.1%, you are NOT experiencing what you are experiencing, so stop it"?!?

I know people want to blame the media, argue about death rates, call it hysteria. But the fact is that no matter the mathematical death rate, hospitals ARE getting overloaded..people are dying..and more will die due to lack of care. Or is that crisis actors and over-hyped news coverage?

I was listening to a discussion around Russian propaganda, and how it has evolved over the last 30 years as they grappled w the Collapse of the USSR. Initially they clamped down on media, told them what to write. But eventually they just created multiple conflicting versions of everything. Not *an* alternative narrative, but 6, 8 narratives. In the end, Russians just give up=- shrug- and ask 'which version puts vodka on my table tonight?"

IMO declaring ALL media is lying through their teeth is a bit of a cop out.

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Google is NOT your friend. Google is friend only to its customers paying for product placement. If it's free to use - like Google - you are not the customer, you are the product being sold.
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