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BMW 5-Series E60 Sedan was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E61 wagon followed shortly there after. The E60/E61 5 series is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 03-27-2020, 09:17 AM
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I recently did my first oil change on my 2008 BMW 535. 104,000 miles. BMW recommends Castrol oil, so that's what I used. I used Castrol GTX full synthetic. Does anyone see a problem with this? I know there is a lot of controversy about which oil to use, which one is better, and which one should be used with a vehicle at higher miles. I'm no expert on oil, so I followed the manufacturers advice and use the Castrol. I noticed that the valve cover gasket does not leak, as much as it did before. Which wasn't much anyway, And my oil filter housing gasket does not leak like it did before, which also was not much. I'm sure this has to do with new oil in general. Any thoughts, comments?
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:02 AM
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What's important with oil for BMW is the SAPs level. So long as you meet the LL01 criteria for BMW with the oil you choose along with a viscosity that is appropriate for your operating conditions, it should be fine. I wasn't aware that GTX was a true full synthetic, I was more under the impression that it was conventional oil.

The GTX branding occurs on many different types ranging from Castrol's basic types to others specifically for high mileage, which contain gasket re-conditioners to reduce leaks, so which one in specific did you use? A picture would be helpful.
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:34 AM
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I think the TIS covers oils that can be used.
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:40 PM
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If you're really keen on Castrol products, the only one that's really suitable (and meets LL-01 specs) is their Edge in 5W-30 (A3/B4) or 5W-40 weights.
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:49 PM
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That is actually what product I used. I was mistaken when I said GTX. I used Castrol edge 5W 30. I actually work at oil refineries, therefore I know that one refinery may make five or six different brands of oil. The vehicle told me that I didn't have to change my oil for like another 4000 miles. It's absolutely no way that I am going 18,000 miles between oil changes. I absolutely love this car, so I want to do everything in my power to make it love me back. Reality though, I plan on maintaining the hell out of this vehicle. It has 105,000 miles on it right now, and all of the main stuff goes bad has been changed under warranty. I was just looking for some feedback on oil. I'm sure somebody's looking for feedback on the oil just about every other day on this forum. Put it this way, I love this car so much, that I would love to eventually have antique tags for it. That is how clean the car is. Still smells like a new car. Every option available, even night vision. Which apparently was a rare option. I love the stop and go cruise control too. To most people, it's probably nothing special, platinum gray, powder coated platinum gray M sport rims for the summer, and M sport rims for the whole season. Definitely the nicest car I've ever owned. I just wish it had the paddle shifters, and the sport automatic transmission. Unfortunately it was not offered with the all wheel drive.
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Old 03-28-2020, 04:58 AM
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If you want the engine to last, start doing your oil changes more frequently, like around 7500 miles.
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If you're really keen on Castrol products, the only one that's really suitable (and meets LL-01 specs) is their Edge in 5W-30 (A3/B4) or 5W-40 weights.
This.

There's "Edge" and then there's "Edge (A3/B4)" The latter meets BMW Long Life 01, at least in the 5W-30.

BMW switched lubricant suppliers from Castrol (BP) to Shell around 2015.

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Old 03-28-2020, 11:47 AM
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If you want the engine to last, start doing your oil changes more frequently, like around 7500 miles.
Yep - frequent oil changes are the cheapest insurance you'll ever buy. I do a lot of really long road trips (7-8,000 miles) and will push 10,000 miles, but with nearly all of that being interstate style constant-speed driving, I'm betting it's less of an issue than 4,000 around-town miles.

Similarly, changing other fluids will tend to prolong the life of your other fluid-filled components... transmissions (regardless of what BMW claims about "lifetime fluid"), differentials, transfer cases (if so equipped), etc.
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Old 03-28-2020, 01:31 PM
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Yes that's what I plan on doing. I honestly love this car so much I want to last until I die. I'm sure that Fad will fade. This is my first BMW, and I am amazed at the engineering, and the options that this specific vehicle has. I plan on doing oil changes like every 7000 miles or so. I can't believe they recommend an oil change every 18,000 miles, or 15,000 miles or whatever it is. I change my own oil so it's pretty easy for me to do, and well worth the 65 bucks. I just know that the N 54 engine was designed When BMW was using Castrol oil, I don't know a whole lot about engines but I figure maybe the ports and gasket composition were designed for the Castrol oil. Attached is what I used For my recent oil change. I am hoping I did everything right regarding the quality and choice of oil. I could only find a purilator filter at the store, which I am sure is fine. Trust me, if I find out it's the wrong oil, I will change it next week. As of right now the vehicle is completely trouble free. Everything works as it should. Even the night vision. Although it is not as clear as I feel it should be, it still works. Although I never use it
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Old 03-28-2020, 02:39 PM
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You're fine until your next oil change but source a Mann filter for the next one. Also, the Dexos criteria is different from BMW's LL01 criteria in terms of SAPs levels. Try and find some Castrol that has a 'European formula' label and you will find that it has the LL01 designation. There are other brands of course that meet the specs, you just have to find them.
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You're fine until your next oil change but source a Mann filter for the next one. Also, the Dexos criteria is different from BMW's LL01 criteria in terms of SAPs levels. Try and find some Castrol that has a 'European formula' label and you will find that it has the LL01 designation. There are other brands of course that meet the specs, you just have to find them.
Correct. Mann filter all the way. The Edge version he purchased is not the 5W-30 A3/B4 version. With the warmer weather coming, it might make more sense to go with the 5W-40 variant anyway.
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Yes that's what I plan on doing. I honestly love this car so much I want to last until I die. I'm sure that Fad will fade. This is my first BMW, and I am amazed at the engineering, and the options that this specific vehicle has. I plan on doing oil changes like every 7000 miles or so. I can't believe they recommend an oil change every 18,000 miles, or 15,000 miles or whatever it is. I change my own oil so it's pretty easy for me to do, and well worth the 65 bucks. I just know that the N 54 engine was designed When BMW was using Castrol oil, I don't know a whole lot about engines but I figure maybe the ports and gasket composition were designed for the Castrol oil. Attached is what I used For my recent oil change. I am hoping I did everything right regarding the quality and choice of oil. I could only find a purilator filter at the store, which I am sure is fine. Trust me, if I find out it's the wrong oil, I will change it next week. As of right now the vehicle is completely trouble free. Everything works as it should. Even the night vision. Although it is not as clear as I feel it should be, it still works. Although I never use it

Back in the day, Castrol was a major sponsor for BMW's Formula 1 effort. So... BMW's used Castrol oil.

BMW's current supplier is Shell, and Shell's synthetic oils are made from natural gas (gas-to-liquid, or GTL). One of the advantages of a GTL base stock is that it evaporates less.

Your engine has direct injection, making the engine more powerful and more efficient. However, the catch with direct injection is that there's no fuel sprayed on the top of the intake valves to clean them. The intake valves build up deposits from evaporated motor oil being sucked through the positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) system and burned in the combustion chamber. N54's are notorious for this "carbon build up" (CBU) on the intake valves and intake ports. Here's a volatility chart I got off a Shell website, depictions of direct and port fuel injection systems, and a real nasty picture of the intake valves on an N55 (which is less susceptible to CBU than the N54.. CBU is fixed by walnut shell media blasting. Using the right oil will delay or maybe eliminate the need for walnut shell blasting.

So, if you want your engine to run like new for a long time, use a BMW LL-01 oil and one that's made with GTL base stock, e.g. BMW Twin Power Turbo LL-01 5W-30. The stuff is all over the Interwebs for about $9/liter. Buy from a reputable on-line retailer specializing in parts and supplys for BMW's. Don't buy oil from somebody selling the stuff out of his home basement on eBay.
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