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Old 12-04-2019, 07:47 AM
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Thinking of upgrading from E65 to F01

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I currently own a 2001 E65 745i, which has been in my possession for almost three years.
Now I'm thinking about trading it in for a F01 750i (at the moment I'm looking at a 2009 model).
What should I be aware of when looking at used F01's? Are there any common failures that I should know of? Or things to make sure have been fixed.
Any advice will be appreciated.
And should there be anyone out there who have owned both an E65 and an F01, I would love to hear about the pro's and con's (if any) by upgrading to the F01.
Personally I'm definitely going to miss having the gear lever by the steering wheel.

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Old 12-04-2019, 07:56 AM
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I would stay away from the 2009-2012 750. The N63 V8 in those model years was not as reliable as it could've been. It might develop an oil burning issue where you'll have to add oil often as well as it will smoke out the exhaust. The engine seals fail prematurely on them and they will cost a fortune to repair. Now there is a class action lawsuit that mandates BMW to address the issue, but since you're looking at 2009 it is probably not applicable to you since you're past the 10 year mark. I would probably pass on that 2009 unless it had the engine replaced in the last 10k miles. If you want a pre-LCI F01 I'd look at the 740. Or a 750 LCI model with an upgraded N63TU engine which had the oil consumption issues somewhat resolved.
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:09 AM
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Love my 2012 750i, but with the oil consumption issue and it leaking oil like a sith.... I cannot in good conscience recommend you buy one unless as stated before it had already had the motor replaced... If I had known of the issues I would have passed on mine, and I only paid 11k for it. However im putting 2 quarts in every 1500 miles of sometimes a little less. At this point I have just accepted it as part of the cost of ownership, in fact found a guy on facebook near me who sells synthetic oil for $10 bux for 6 quarts... I buy 5-8 cases at a time and keep them in my garage... And keep 4 quarts in the car just incase. It doesnt help that I do Uber for a side hustle and have put 25k miles on it in 6 months...

Don't get me wrong when it's running right it's sweet and drives very well and it's a great car I just wouldn't recommend it to somebody as a purchase who hasn't already fallen for it... BMW should be ashamed of themselves for selling this car for $100,000 and then expecting its owners to accept this amount of oil consumption as normal which is what they're support site says if you look it up absolutely absurd... And had I paid that much for it I would be furious!

As it is... Im an owner and I plan on driving it till it dies, or I can no longer keep it road Worthy within my budget...

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Old 12-04-2019, 08:57 AM
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Dekero, is it over 120k miles? Did you talk to the dealer about the oil consumption?
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:59 AM
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Yeah it is... Didn't know bout the lawsuit when I bought it at 103k by the time I found out it was at 119k and they wanted me to pay 7k roughly... Hell I Paid 11k for the car... Ill just drive it... Lol
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:06 AM
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Thanks for the attempt to help though .. good looking out!!

Don't get me wrong I love the car.... I've just learned to live with the quirks... And keep the maintenance up to speed... Thankfully im able to do almost all of it myself... Untill it gets deep inside the motor that is....LOL
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:03 PM
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Thank you both for your replies.
I will definitely do some more research on the car, if it has had the motor replaced. I currently own a 745i with the N62B44 engine (predecessor to the N63) and I also struggle with oil leaks, and have to do oil fillups every 2.000 km. So I'm kinda used to it, but it would be nice to have a car where you shouldn't remember to check the oil level every so often.
I'm not from the US, so I'm not sure if BMW had offered some kind of engine replacement here in the EU, because I can see in a considerable amount of the adds people write that the engine have been replaced.
I'd love to go for an LCI model, but since I'm from a small country with very high taxes on cars, it's out of my price range, and there's currently not anyone for sale at the moment.
The 2009 750i I'm currently looking at has a price of DKK 269.900 which is $40.000 US.
Besides from the oil problem on the 750i, is there anything else I should be aware of on the F01?
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:08 PM
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Aside from the oil problem... I really love my car... And it drives great even with the oil issue... Dont really like the run flats ride and have replaced 2 so far with normal performance tires.

As for the price ... I guess i can't complain anymore... since mine is a 2012 and I paid 11k us for it... Yikes 40k....

I recently upgraded the brakes... As the stock ones put off way to much dust...

Sadly I got no real major complaints. Enjoy!!
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Old 12-05-2019, 12:01 AM
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Yea the 40k one is the cheapest of the F01's for sale. Some of them costs more than twice as much.
Regarding the tires, I'm also not a fan of the run flats. And I'm to cheap to pay for them. ***55357;***56832; I just buy regular tires of a good quality.

I think the brake dust from the stock brakes are a problem for all bimmers. As I remember it's been a problem for a very long time, it even was like that on my E30 back in the days. ***55357;***56846; I've never understood why BMW doesn't find another supplier for their brake pads.

What about the turbos? No problems with them?
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Old 12-05-2019, 12:56 AM
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I went from E38 to F02. love this one too. both have been great
mine must be one of the good ones. i had all the CCP work and add oil every 3K miles. drives like a dream still. currently at 169700 miles. hope my next one is as good as the previous two. (E38 has 300K mile on original engine. )
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Old 12-05-2019, 10:00 AM
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I'll vouch for the F01 or rather the F02 in my case. The key is to get a 2014 on up with the non early production 'TU' N63 variety. My F02 has been my most trouble free and reliable car since 1988. Not a single issue or problem or failure of any engine or body part so far. Not even a CEL has come on and doesn't use any oil. Total cost of ownership besides the check I wrote for it has been tires, brakes and rotors and fluid changes. Amazing when you think about how much additional equipment the F01's have on them from massage seats to radar cruise control to power rear and side sunshades just to name a few. It is my daily driver. It just works without any trouble at all.
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Old 12-05-2019, 11:36 AM
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My turbo oil return lines had an oil seepage issue which i did have repaired but aside from That the turbos seem To be holding hopefully they continue just fine...
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:06 PM
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Do it.. I went from an e65 to F01 and its just night and day. Outstanding upgrade
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Old 12-06-2019, 11:13 PM
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Again thank you all for your replies. It is much appreciated.
I've booked a time to try the car on Friday, and thanks to your feedback, I also have some questions for the seller.
The seller offered to sell the car with a two year warranty, for a sum of $4.400 US extra. It might be worth the money, or what do you guys think about that offer?
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Old 12-07-2019, 12:16 PM
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I dont know about stateside but over in the UK that would sound like a lot of money for a years warranty... You could fix pretty much anything twice for that?
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Old 12-07-2019, 11:50 PM
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I dont know about stateside but over in the UK that would sound like a lot of money for a years warranty... You could fix pretty much anything twice for that?
I'm from Denmark, so not that far from the UK.
It is a two year warranty though, but I agree, it's a lot of money. But should something in the engine fail, you would easily look into spending that amount of money getting it fixed.

I know on my current car, E65, I asked around for a price on getting the valve stem seals replaced, and the cheapest quote I got was $7,500 US.

But I think I'll decide on Friday, after having tested the car. If it feels solid and in great shape, I'll probably pass on the warranty. Smaller repairs I usually do myself anyway.
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:37 PM
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I know on my current car, E65, I asked around for a price on getting the valve stem seals replaced, and the cheapest quote I got was $7,500 US.
Keep in mind that the N63 has the same problem as the N62 with the valve stem seals. This was only fixed on later build N63T engines found starting in MY2014.

There are a lot more problems with the N63 engine than just valve stem seals though, so I would not recommend getting anything older than a MY2014 750i or MY2013 740i (the N54 in the pre-LCI has some common problems too). It's a very different engine compared to the N62 because of direct injection, turbocharging, EfficientDynamics (clutched alternator), and a hot V design (turbos inside the V of the engine), so there are a lot of problems in the first generation.

Not to mention, the pre-LCI models still use a variant of the ZF6HP transmission, which you should be familiar as it's still just as rough when shifting down from 2nd to 1st gear.
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Old 12-08-2019, 10:46 PM
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Keep in mind that the N63 has the same problem as the N62 with the valve stem seals. This was only fixed on later build N63T engines found starting in MY2014.

There are a lot more problems with the N63 engine than just valve stem seals though, so I would not recommend getting anything older than a MY2014 750i or MY2013 740i (the N54 in the pre-LCI has some common problems too). It's a very different engine compared to the N62 because of direct injection, turbocharging, EfficientDynamics (clutched alternator), and a hot V design (turbos inside the V of the engine), so there are a lot of problems in the first generation.

Not to mention, the pre-LCI models still use a variant of the ZF6HP transmission, which you should be familiar as it's still just as rough when shifting down from 2nd to 1st gear.
I'd hoped they'd fixed the problem with the valve stem seals on the N63, but apparently not.
I had the same problems with the transmission, but I managed to solve it by disabling NIC and replacing the oil in the transmission. After that it has been smooth as butter.
Unfortunately the LCI models are out of my price range (the cheapest petrol LCI for sale in Denmark right now is priced at $147.000 US for a 2016 750i).

With all your feedback, I've also started to look at leasing a brand new car instead. But I've still not decided what to do.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:24 AM
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Unfortunately the LCI models are out of my price range (the cheapest petrol LCI for sale in Denmark right now is priced at $147.000 US for a 2016 750i).
Have you considered other engine options? Basically anything but the N63 and N54 would be a much better choice.

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With all your feedback, I've also started to look at leasing a brand new car instead. But I've still not decided what to do.
Leasing is more of a lifestyle choice than financial. If you consider the cost of leasing and the fact that you're basically left with nothing at the end of the lease, you would be able to afford an engine swap and still be well ahead financially. At the end of the day, the question to ask yourself is whether you want to have the latest technology (good and bad, do you really want iDrive 7? ) and if you can put up with the repair/maintenance needed to keep the car on the road.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:40 AM
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I have considered other engines, but the market in my country is very small, so in the price range I'm looking in (under $50.000 US) there's only two 750i's and some 730d's available at the moment (of F01's). And diesel is not suitable for my daily driving, as I mostly drive shorter distances.
I agree with you on the leasing part, it's a lifestyle choice. I haven't yet leased myself, as I value owning the car myself and like to do improvements and upgrades, and don't mind doing smaller repairs myself.
But in Denmark we have a very heavy tax on cars (150% registration tax + 25% VAT) which makes buying and owning a car very expensive, as you basically pay for three cars when buying one.
But when leasing new cars, the leasing company doesn't have to pay the registration tax until they eventually sell the car, typically after three years. So they can offer rather attractable leasing prices.

So I have been looking at leasing a 3-series instead, or maybe (sorry for cursing) a VW Passat.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:00 PM
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What about importing one from the US?
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Old 12-10-2019, 12:08 AM
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What about importing one from the US?
I've considered importing from Germany, but with our taxes on cars it's almost like a lottery, how much you are going to pay in import taxes.
E.g. If I buy a car for $20,000 US in Germany and I would like to import it to Denmark, the street value of the car has to be evaluated by some person from the government, and as the car market in Denmark is so small, these rather rare cars are not easy to set a street value on. So I might end up paying $25,000 US in import taxes if I'm lucky, but I could also end up having to pay up to $40,000 US in import taxes. All depending on one guys assessment.
And on top of that, importing can be rather time-consuming, and even if you do get some warranty, it might be rather difficult to make use of it.
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Old 12-10-2019, 04:54 AM
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Since the price for the 2009 is astronomical, I think I would wait a year or two and get an LCI wheb the prices go down a little bit. It would last a little longer at least. How much is the Passat that you're looking at?
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:05 AM
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Since the price for the 2009 is astronomical, I think I would wait a year or two and get an LCI wheb the prices go down a little bit. It would last a little longer at least. How much is the Passat that you're looking at?
Yea that's also why I consider leasing for a couple of years. :-)
You can say that the price is astronomical, but when you consider the cars price as new was ~$290,000 US here in the country, it suddenly doesn't feel that expensive. :-D

With all the extra options I've spec'ed it with, the total purchase price is at ~$90,000 US. The leasing price is a one-time fee of $2,800 US and around $1,000 US a month, for a minimum of 12 months and maximum 36 months. With up to 20,000km per year. The price includes services and all maintenance.

It's for the station wagon with the 2.0 TSI with 190hp, and includes Nappa leather comfort seats with ventilation and massage, heated rear seats, full digital cockpit, head-up display, sun blinds in the rear doors and comfort access.

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I went from E38 to F02. love this one too. both have been great
mine must be one of the good ones. i had all the CCP work and add oil every 3K miles. drives like a dream still. currently at 169700 miles. hope my next one is as good as the previous two. (E38 has 300K mile on original engine. )
i also went from an E38 to a 2009 F01. I just passed 200k on mine, if it has a new engine, just change the transmission fluid and then change it again in a few hundred miles. then every 15k after that.
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