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The sixth generation of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) was produced from 2011 - 2016 with LCI updates arriving in 2014. In the US BMW offered a hatchback 5 Series Gran Truismo (F07) and the rest of the world also go a Station Wagon/Touring version F11.

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Old 12-08-2019, 12:20 AM
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Hello 19 year old going to buy a 10k 2013 bmw 535i with 100,000 miles any tips

Hello I live in Toronto canada and saw an ad for a 2013 bmw 535i msport nice brown interior I'm hoping to buy the car this week anybody have any tips or suggestions for buying this car or should I go for a 2009 335i
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Old 12-08-2019, 12:35 AM
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Repair costs on a 100k+ mile BMW can be horrendous, even more so for a car with xDrive. I plan on selling my BMW's the morning after the sixth digit in the odometer appears as a "1."

I kept my first BMW to 115k miles. Between 103k and 112k miles, I spent $6800 (US) in repairs and maintenance, and that was six years ago. With a BMW over 100k miles, you'll have good years and bad years for maintenance costs. But, the bad years can really be bad: turbocharger, xDrive transfer case, front driveshafts, etc.

You're braver than me. I'm not sure what seven years of road salt does to BMW's up there, either.

I don't know what your financial situation is. But, when I was 19 a four year old Toyota would have made more sense. If you're having to finance either of those cars, the answer is "No!." Actually, if you have to finance ANY BMW, that's a good indicator you really can't afford it. (The operative words are "have to." I financed Frau Putzer's new X3, but I could have written a check for it if I'd wanted to.)

If you're buying a BMW off a used car lot, you're paying a premium price for it. An extended warranty on that car would either be horrendously expensive, and/or worthless.

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Old 12-08-2019, 12:43 AM
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Wow I've heard mixed reviews on this forum but my parents have an indy shop where they go to fix their mercedes r350 I'm thinking I should get an e550
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Old 12-08-2019, 12:43 AM
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Repair costs on a 100k+ mile BMW can be horrendous, even more so for a car with xDrive. I plan on selling my BMW's the morning after the sixth digit in the odometer appears as a "1."

I kept my first BMW to 115k miles. Between 103k and 112k miles, I spent $6800 (US) in repairs and maintenance, and that was six years ago. With a BMW over 100k miles, you'll have good years and bad years for maintenance costs. But, the bad years can really be bad: turbocharger, xDrive transfer case, front driveshafts, etc.

You're braver than me.

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Wow I've heard mixed reviews on this forum but my parents have an indy shop where they go to fix their mercedes r350 I'm thinking I should get an e550
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:41 AM
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Wow I've heard mixed reviews on this forum but my parents have an indy shop where they go to fix their mercedes r350 I'm thinking I should get an e550
I imagine repair costs for a 100k+ mile M-B wouldn't be any better than a 100k+ miles BMW.

The BMW N55 engine is generally a happy engine. They don't carbon up like the N54's did. The only problem seems to be oil filter housing (OFH) leaks, and maybe valve cover leaks. The older M-B's are thirsty compared to BMW's of that era. BMW adopted turbocharging and direct injection before M-B did.

In addition to maintenance costs, you have to worry about reliability: the car breaking down and leaving you stranded, or the car and you sitting at the repair shop instead of being where you want to be (work, school, gettin' busy with the ladies, etc.) That was the main factor in me selling my first BMW, even after paying ~$7k for 9k miles worth of maintenance and repairs. Even with that $7k in repairs and another $3k in depreciation, that year was cheaper than the first year of my next BMW (~$17k in depreciation, but ~$0 in maintenance and repairs).
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Old 12-08-2019, 07:11 AM
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Did you check how much insurance will cost?
Did you calculate how much gas you can afford?
Will you be planning on purchasing an aftermarket warranty?

Buying a used bmw isn't all that expensive. But do take into consideration of the things above. Being 19, insurance could be sky high for you.

I'm just driving a 528i and driving about 50-60 miles a day. And gas is already costing me $200+ a month. Which isn't much...

Not sure how rich you are as a 19 year old... I was broke when I was 19 haha
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Old 12-08-2019, 10:43 AM
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Wow I've heard mixed reviews on this forum but my parents have an indy shop where they go to fix their mercedes r350 I'm thinking I should get an e550
I imagine repair costs for a 100k+ mile M-B wouldn't be any better than a 100k+ miles BMW.


The BMW N55 engine is generally a happy engine. They don't carbon up like the N54's did. The only problem seems to be oil filter housing (OFH) leaks, and maybe valve cover leaks. The older M-B's are thirsty compared to BMW's of that era. BMW adopted turbocharging and direct injection before M-B did.

In addition to maintenance costs, you have to worry about reliability: the car breaking down and leaving you stranded, or the car and you sitting at the repair shop instead of being where you want to be (work, school, gettin' busy with the ladies, etc.) That was the main factor in me selling my first BMW, even after paying ~$7k for 9k miles worth of maintenance and repairs. Even with that $7k in repairs and another $3k in depreciation, that year was cheaper than the first year of my next BMW (~$17k in depreciation, but ~$0 in maintenance and repairs).
I've been reading on the Benz forum that only the airmatic suspension has problems other then that no engine oil leaks or gasket problems but I just love the look of the f10
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Old 12-08-2019, 10:46 AM
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Did you check how much insurance will cost?
Did you calculate how much gas you can afford?
Will you be planning on purchasing an aftermarket warranty?

Buying a used bmw isn't all that expensive. But do take into consideration of the things above. Being 19, insurance could be sky high for you.

I'm just driving a 528i and driving about 50-60 miles a day. And gas is already costing me $200+ a month. Which isn't much...

Not sure how rich you are as a 19 year old... I was broke when I was 19 haha
I've been working for a year and a half and will be going college full time but i will work part time for gas and insurance they quoted me 300 a month but in the 4 months when school is over I'm working full time as a salesman so figured I can at least enjoy the car cause man I love the look of the msport package
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Old 12-08-2019, 11:45 AM
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$300 a month for insurance? That's crazy.
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Old 12-08-2019, 12:55 PM
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Husshuss7, I finally registered to this forum with the express purpose of being able to respond to this post. I'm assuming you are a guy. If so, I was where you are once. In college, working hard and trying my best to make a place for myself in this world. Simple facts of life include the fact that it is unwise to spend more than what you can afford. If you can really pull this purchase off, then good for you and go for it. However, I would work through the numbers carefully first.

I've been in sales for over twenty years too, have gone through many cars and likely driven over a million miles. For sales cars, I've used a Grand Cherokee, Tahoe, one BMW, Mercedes (plural), a Lexus, Expedition, a Volvo and now have a Chevy Equinox. I say all this to let you know that I am fully aware of what it takes to keep a car on the road. For a BMW like yours, I would budget about $400/month in repairs averaged per year with 10K miles driven per year. Do this in addition to fuel, insurance, washes, etc... For many months you may have nothing to repair, but still put the money aside. Why? Because eventually you will need many expensive repairs. For example, my wife's 2016 528 at 50K just needed a 50K service ($450) tires ($1250) front and rear brakes ($1000), tie rods, alignment etc.. All in at the end of last month I spent about $3000 on an almost new car. Note, these are all normal wear and tear items. In your case, you may be looking at many other more expensive items that all go at higher mileage.

Can you really afford all this at this stage in your life? To answer your initial request for tips and suggestions: I think you are looking at an almost certain money pit and would encourage you to think about what is more important than appearances.

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Old 12-08-2019, 01:07 PM
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One more thought: There will come a time in your life when you can afford a nicer car than this. The best part is that it will not be a stretch. You could write a check and pay for one off the lot, or finance it because of better yields in the market. This is what I now do. The $3K was not a stretch for me. A luxury car is truly a luxury when you can afford it.

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I'm going to be the dissenter. We have a (RWD) 2012 & 2014 535i. The 2012 needed the OFH and valve cover gaskets around 80K miles, as well as oil changes, brakes and tires; the 2014 with ~55K miles has needed only oil changes, front brake pads and tires. Both cars have been as reliable, if not more so, as any other car we've owned; and I'm VERY picky!
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:37 AM
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People act like after 100K the car will fall apart. In this case, the F10 N55 is reliable even at high miles, just get services up to date and address oil leaks. And for piece of mind, get a warranty and you'll be out cheaper than a new corolla. Do set aside 2-3k yearly for repair/maintenance...
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:39 AM
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Repair costs on a 100k+ mile BMW can be horrendous, even more so for a car with xDrive. I plan on selling my BMW's the morning after the sixth digit in the odometer appears as a "1."

I kept my first BMW to 115k miles. Between 103k and 112k miles, I spent $6800 (US) in repairs and maintenance, and that was six years ago. With a BMW over 100k miles, you'll have good years and bad years for maintenance costs. But, the bad years can really be bad: turbocharger, xDrive transfer case, front driveshafts, etc.

You're braver than me. I'm not sure what seven years of road salt does to BMW's up there, either.

I don't know what your financial situation is. But, when I was 19 a four year old Toyota would have made more sense. If you're having to finance either of those cars, the answer is "No!." Actually, if you have to finance ANY BMW, that's a good indicator you really can't afford it. (The operative words are "have to." I financed Frau Putzer's new X3, but I could have written a check for it if I'd wanted to.)

If you're buying a BMW off a used car lot, you're paying a premium price for it. An extended warranty on that car would either be horrendously expensive, and/or worthless.
Warranty on a similar car would probably be 3-4k, with limited power train only. I know this as I got quotes on mine. Not a bad deal if you get the car cheap.
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I took some software and hardware classes at night at the local state college. I make a point of never parking a BMW at a college, because of vandalism. I'd always take my beater to class.
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Old 12-09-2019, 08:21 AM
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Whatever you do, do not get a BMW as a kid about to go to college full time. It'll probably destroy your college experience. You'll be working every friday or saturday night instead of out socializing and having fun, because you're paying 300 a month in insurance and at least 100 a month in gas, while also paying for college and other life expenses. College only happens once (ideally), make it count. Make friends and have fun, instead of being "that broke car guy". You're way better off getting a BMW once you've graduated and landed a full time job.
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To the OP: generally good advice here regarding delayed gratification! In my early-mid 20's I had the opportunity to purchase a 911 but was talked out of it by older and wiser folks and I'm grateful for that as I had underestimated what "life" costs without a German car!

My rule of thumb is to budget ~$2000 per year for BMW maintenance - not repairs mind you but maintenance. Repairs would cost more on top of that. It's probably more expense and hassle than you are ready for. If you really really want a BMW, I'd recommend finding a nice E46 or older one that you can work on yourself and that won't kill you on insurance.

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All great advise here. IMHO, get yourself a Toyota or Honda. Once you're out of school and have an established career and have saved some money treat yourself to a nice car. Right now you should just be looking for cheap reliable transportation. All the best to you.
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All good recommendations so far. You should also consider taking the car to a BMW dealer to have a pre-purchase inspection performed. The $300 you pay for the PPI may open your eyes to maintainance and repair needs which will help you decide if it's worth paying $10,000 for the car. You must also budget and put aside another 2 to 3 hundred per month for routine maintenance and wear items like tires, brakes, batteries and such along with the occasional $500 to $2000 repair.
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College only happens once (ideally), make it count. Make friends and have fun, instead of being "that broke car guy"

This is absolutely terrific advice, OP. He is 100% right, and the last thing you want to be wondering or worrying about is how you're going to pay for something while you're in college - even if you've got someone who might be willing to help you out.

That being said, I'm also with the other poster who said his car was extremely reliable - my 2011 535xi was totally reliable. You might get lucky with a car that will need little work. Budgeting $2000 a year for maintenance might seem high, and maybe you'll get away with less, but that is an amount that is prudent for these cars. Why buy something that you're going to have to make sure you'll be covered with?

I personally don't think Honda's or Toyota's cost that much less to fix - it's just that in general, you have to fix them less.
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Lots of great advice

I've got a 2013 535i with 83K on it. This week I replaced the valve cover gasket ($35 and 7 hours of my time), had I taken it to the dealer it would have cost me over $1000. The oil filter housing is beginning to leak as well and will need to be addressed soon. Thankfully I am confident enough to do the work myself however if I wasn't I don't think I could own the car. The F10 is notorious for these leaks so if you're serious about the car check to see if it is having issues here. If so, you will need to take that into consideration.
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You have lots of good advice on repair costs and affording this car. I have one other suggestion.

Take the car to a reputable BMW mechanic for an inspection. Talk with him about anything the car needs now and what you can expect in future repairs. It may cost a couple of hundred but will be the best money you ever spent on maintenance and repairs.
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Don't do it !!!!! If you really need a car while in college, get yourself something that is not too expensive, clean, and reliable.

You ain't going to better with the members of the opposite sex (or same-sex if you roll that way) by having an older BMW. In fact, you will do better because you won't have to worry about calling that hot date and explaining how your car broke down, can't get there and then whine about how much it cost to repair and I don't know how to pay for it --- bla bla bla.

Anyone who tells you the car is not going to be a problem, and cost you a bunch of money and wasted time to operate it is living in the very fantasy world you are thinking about moving to....
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The reason that car is 10K is because other people wont touch it with a ten foot pole. I have an older 535 and just got out of warranty. Soon it may be time to upgrade. If you cannot find a third party warranty that actually pays for service I would stay away. MB is even a worse idea as their parts are more costly. I would save my money and go for something more reliable and cheaper to maintain.
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not a good time

Unless you're going for a degree of some kind in auto repair, I'd advise you to look for a moderate mileage Honda or Toyota to get through school. The BMW can wait till you go public with your first startup IPO.....this comes from someone who has lots of experience keeping a couple of them running.
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