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The all new F15 BMW X5 started production August 2013 as a 2014 model year. The new X5 arrives in sDrive35i (RWD), xDrive35i, xDrive50i and a diesel xDrive 35d.

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Old 06-16-2017, 05:19 PM
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Test drove BMW x5 xDrive40e today...

Thinking about buying an x5. I like the fact that it drives partly electric. Is it worth the money? Any problems that you've encountered?
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:50 AM
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I have mine for 3 weeks and overall I love it. I enjoy driving a bigger car and still getting well over 30 MPG. I also thought it was a better deal to lease since there were some significant incentives to lower the cost. The car has plenty of power and its fun with the eboost kicks in for that instant torque.


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Old 06-17-2017, 12:12 PM
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:05 AM
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:07 AM
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Driving 20 miles to Manhattan big traffic .Charging at work and at home .Tank 1300 miles


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Old 06-18-2017, 12:06 PM
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I picked up mine in early Feb from the Performance Center. It now has 3362 miles on it, about 1100 or so were from driving back to the Austin area.

I charge at home, near work (about 5-10 in walk), and when I leave my car at the airport.

Yesterday I got gas, first time since 5/13. It took a whopping 6 gallons, and I had driven about 400 miles since the last fill-up.

There's a federal tax credit that pretty much offsets the additional cost.
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:15 PM
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Test drove BMW x5 xDrive40e today...

My local dealer gave one to me for the weekend. I loved it. The rear air suspension was awesome to experience. The torque and HP are also more than the X5 35i.

If leasing, the cost difference was almost none for a $5k MSRP difference where the 40e also had the air suspension and an Xdrive.

Day to day cost of running the 40e would be comparatively as well (to me).

So yes, it is worth it in my opinion.

Lastly, I've heard that the 2018 X5 40e will qualify for the HOV lane access in California.


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Old 06-20-2017, 02:05 PM
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Had ours for 6 weeks now, love it. Plenty of get up and go. Many modes of driving to choose from. While it helps with gas that is not the primary reason to buy it. I drives just like any other X5 I think. Lots of high end pick up, even more than at low speeds. Somewhat of a dog in all electric with a full load of four passengers, but you can also go to hybrid mode and sport mode to get more acceleration when needed. All the amenities are there. I have a couple of complaints but they are minor. One is that you can choose to charge it ASAP upon plug in or put it on a timer to so at night when rates are low. That is great, but they really should have also put in an override so you can instantly charge without going through full reset o of the timer option. As mentioned, the federal rebate is close to $5K so the price is good. We test drove Lexus, Jaguar and Range Rover SUV and liked this the best. Oh and the sound system is amazing and we didn't even upgrade.
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Old 06-20-2017, 02:16 PM
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There was somebody here a few months ago with a demonically possessed X5 40e. BMW NA finally gave up on trying to fix it and let him pick another X5 off the dealer's lot. But, that sometimes happens with non-e BMW's too.

The big catch with hybrids, conventional or plug-ins, is battery life and replacement cost. I know two people with conventional hybrids. They both needed new batteries at around eight years, and the cost of the batteries wiped out all of their fuel cost savings by driving a hybrid. A Tesla rep told me a few weeks ago that a S's battery replacement cost is still over $10k, but that's down from $15k a few years ago.

I was intrigued by the X5 40e. Lease terms are great on them. But, I'm militant about having a spare tire and hole under the cargo area/trunk floor to put it.

Plug-in hybrids make a lot more environmental since a lot of the electricity generation has now moved from coal to natural gas.
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:40 PM
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Anyone driving and not charging regularly? I have an x5d right now and lease is up. Decisions.... MSD's are now gone, and list price has gone up. I may knock out some features, but wanted to get feedback.

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Old 06-21-2017, 01:47 PM
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Took the X5 40e up to Lake Tahoe for a long weekend. Four adults, fully packed cargo and an elevation gain of 6500ft. Drove in Sport mode on the way up and back and the ride was comfortable with plenty of power on reserve.

The premium over fossil-fuel only versions is especially worth it to me since I have a solar system that returns a net zero on electricity use. I also really love the perfectly smooth and silent electric-only push off from a stop with instant torque. It's a drive quality that beats any gas-driven flagship.
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Old 07-14-2017, 09:01 AM
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Anyone driving and not charging regularly? I have an x5d right now and lease is up. Decisions.... MSD's are not gone, and list price has gone up. I may knock out some features, but wanted to get feedback.


What do you mean by MSDs are not gone? From my understanding, money factor buy down with MSDs is no longer an option, no?


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Old 07-14-2017, 09:04 AM
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What do you mean by MSDs are not gone? From my understanding, money factor buy down with MSDs is no longer an option, no?


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Old 07-18-2017, 05:22 AM
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Hi,

I have had my 40e for about year now. Nice car, especially with B&O, night vision (we have reindeer on the countryside roads here).

But I'm getting really annoyed about slight vibration that's present all the time. I have mine as M-Sport and with 20" wheels on Pirelli Zero tires. Service has done a lot of work to solve this but it's still present. Rear brakes have been replaced, the front drive shaft also replaced, wheels re-balanced etc. This vibration is present also with Nokian HKPL winter tires with 19" wheels. Dealer has also tried another set of wheels etc. In certain road surfaces the vibration starts to kind of oscillate, so it gets very noticeable. Even friends who drive first time into the car will notice it.

Anyone experiencing the same?

Local authorized service has tried to fix this from Feb-Mar time, so I think I'm getting hopeless and will need to start negotiating with local dealer and importer.
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:27 AM
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Have not experienced this. But Google "giubo" and "flex-disc." (Also Google "guibo"). It seems to be a part that fails on this class of 4x4 (as opposed to heavy 4x4 or 6x6 trucks like Pinzgauers with true U-joints that'd warrant a commercial maintenance schedule).

BTW, that has nothing to do with electrification. It's a design compromise of *many* modern light AWD vehicles. There has to be some way to flex the drivelines' geometry over a speedhump, to say nothing of getting off-road. It's also not necessarily your issue, of course. Just something to ask Google about.

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Old 07-18-2017, 02:45 PM
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Couple of question for 40e owners:

1. When you drive in sport mode (where it uses both engine + electric power), what MPG are you getting?

2. Did anyone notice by how much their electricity bill went up if you charge you 40e at home every night (plugged into standard 110v outlet)?

3. How (or when) does the self charging function work?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 07-18-2017, 03:09 PM
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For sport mode, do you mean pushing the stick to the left where you have to shift, or pressing the button that says, "sport mode," or both?

I've done one or the other, but never both together. When I'm shifting, I can usually get 22-25 mph. Probably similar when I push the button.

Our electric bill went up by maybe $20/month.

Not sure what you mean by, "self charging." I always just plug in when I get home or arrive at work. It charges right away. There is a way to time it to charge during specific hours, if you live somewhere that has different electric rates at different times of day.
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Old 07-18-2017, 03:27 PM
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For sport mode, do you mean pushing the stick to the left where you have to shift, or pressing the button that says, "sport mode," or both?

I've done one or the other, but never both together. When I'm shifting, I can usually get 22-25 mph. Probably similar when I push the button.

Our electric bill went up by maybe $20/month.

Not sure what you mean by, "self charging." I always just plug in when I get home or arrive at work. It charges right away. There is a way to time it to charge during specific hours, if you live somewhere that has different electric rates at different times of day.
1. I am not too familiar with various modes / buttons on this car. I was thinking: engine is always running + electric power kicks in when I floor it. Does Sport mode correspond to that? Basically, I wanted to find out the worst mpg one could get when driving the car aggressively.

2. Thanks, that is much better than I expected.

3. I was referring to battery self charging function while driving the car.
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Old 07-18-2017, 05:06 PM
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1. I am not too familiar with various modes / buttons on this car. I was thinking: engine is always running + electric power kicks in when I floor it. Does Sport mode correspond to that? Basically, I wanted to find out the worst mpg one could get when driving the car aggressively.

2. Thanks, that is much better than I expected.

3. I was referring to battery self charging function while driving the car.
If you just put the vehicle in D and go, it will use a mix of both electric and gas (I think that is called Comfort Mode). When I leave my neighborhood, it usually will be in electric (the tachometer stays at 0). After I get out to the main road, there's a hill to go up (if I go one direction), and I can usually predict when it will need more power than electric can provide...if I keep up the speed going uphill.

For some trips, like when I commute to work, I'll press the Electric Mode button, and it will stay in electric mode unless there isn't enough power (it has happened a few times). There is free electric charging near work, so I try to do all electric both there and home.

The battery will charge when driving:
* When you press on the brake
* When you're in sport mode where you have to shift gears (put the stick to the left)

Even when I drive in comfort mode on a flat freeway, the vehicle uses a mix of gas and electric. I'll notice the battery indicator go down.
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:11 PM
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Sorry, meant "now" gone.


You had me going! ::sigh:: MSDs should return ... I've never seriously evaluated non BMWs but am now.


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Old 07-18-2017, 09:06 PM
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If you just put the vehicle in D and go, it will use a mix of both electric and gas (I think that is called Comfort Mode). When I leave my neighborhood, it usually will be in electric (the tachometer stays at 0). After I get out to the main road, there's a hill to go up (if I go one direction), and I can usually predict when it will need more power than electric can provide...if I keep up the speed going uphill.



For some trips, like when I commute to work, I'll press the Electric Mode button, and it will stay in electric mode unless there isn't enough power (it has happened a few times). There is free electric charging near work, so I try to do all electric both there and home.



The battery will charge when driving:

* When you press on the brake

* When you're in sport mode where you have to shift gears (put the stick to the left)



Even when I drive in comfort mode on a flat freeway, the vehicle uses a mix of gas and electric. I'll notice the battery indicator go down.


Makes sense, thanks for the info.


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Old 07-21-2017, 03:53 AM
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Hi,

when you drive the car for longer distance, it will charge the battery to maintain a minimum level of about 10% of charge. When you are on Eco-Pro and using navi it allows the battery to go down to few percents at destination (lowest I have seen in mine is 2%). On Comfort it stays about 10% and on Sport the target is about 50%. You can follow this from the energy monitor display at instrument panel below the speedometer. When the energy consumption rate is negative, car is charging the battery. I'd always recommend to use the navi, even on relatively short distances as car will optimize the battery usage based on the road and speed.

The idea of this recharging is that there is always enough energy for e-boost needed in heavier acceleration or overtaking someone. And in case of using navi, there is enough energy left to optimize the sub-urb driving with electric only mode.

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And what comes to my vibration issue, it's much more present when I have the boot (Am: trunk) full of stuff and people on the back seat, plus the temperature is low like ~10 C. Also more vibration when I'm using pressing brake pedal lightly.

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Old 07-23-2017, 03:48 PM
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when you drive the car for longer distance, it will charge the battery to maintain a minimum level of about 10% of charge. When you are on Eco-Pro and using navi it allows the battery to go down to few percents at destination (lowest I have seen in mine is 2%). On Comfort it stays about 10% and on Sport the target is about 50%. You can follow this from the energy monitor display at instrument panel below the speedometer. When the energy consumption rate is negative, car is charging the battery. I'd always recommend to use the navi, even on relatively short distances as car will optimize the battery usage based on the road and speed.



The idea of this recharging is that there is always enough energy for e-boost needed in heavier acceleration or overtaking someone. And in case of using navi, there is enough energy left to optimize the sub-urb driving with electric only mode.



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And what comes to my vibration issue, it's much more present when I have the boot (Am: trunk) full of stuff and people on the back seat, plus the temperature is low like ~10 C. Also more vibration when I'm using pressing brake pedal lightly.



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Did you have it checked by your dealer on the vibration issue?


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